It was winter (a cold one at that) and some jerks had pulled the fire alarm like 2 or 3 mights in a row (around 3 AM).
Well, they wouldn't let us go inside any of the other buildings and had campus cops there to make sure we didn't wander off. Meanwhile, there was ice and snow on the ground and only half of us were awake enough to remember that fact (and so a lot of us were under dressed).
So, you have a few hundred college students wearing slippers, pajama pants, and maybe half had jackets in around 15 degree (F) weather. Nowhere to go, nothing to do.
The stupid jerks wouldn't let us back in unless the guilty parties would step forward about pulling the alarms. We were out there for like 15 to 20 minutes listening to them say "You are all staying outside in the cold until someone steps forward."
They eventually gave up. I mean, what did they think? Was someone really going to fess up to it before? Now coming forward would started a riot because we were freezing and pissed.
Process is one thing, but the people interpretting are another.
I was taking a law / ethics class back in college (simple class, not the advanced stuff) and we went over a case that kind of freaked some of us out. It was about a man falsely imprisoned in Texas.
The guy was brought in on bad evidence and testimony. That was bad enough, particularly the "witness" who never actually saw anything.
While waiting for trial, the police sent in a psychologist. They didn't even inform the guy what was going on, they said they had to "check" something. So, they had him draw a picture, sign his name, try to draw a perfect circle and that was it.
The trial comes, and the psychologist said he examined the defendant and based on his handwriting and drawings he was one of the most vile killers he'd ever seen. The shrink went on and on, and went on to pat himself on the back for helping catch such a dangerous killer..
Remember, this was just from a circle, his name, and a picture of a house (or something similar) all done within like 5 minutes. This had nothing to do with the evidence, because there was no note or anything, it was supposedly a crime of opportunity.
Years later, the real killer came forward. After re-investigating, they found the witness was a screwball AND didn't see anything, and a lot of other stuff that had gone wrong. They eventually let him go with no pay or anything. Meanwhile, the guy had spent like a decade in jail.
You have to wonder about these supposed shrinks that analyze handwiriting and what-not. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but in this case I think a bunch of them were quacks that just wanted their name in teh paper.
I can't believe you people like the PowerBook keyboard. They are much the same as other notebooks and that's the problem - cramped! I would probably buy one if the made the keyboard more like a standard one and replaced the trackpad gizmo with something that actually works well.
Sounds like a troll, but I'll bite.
I own a 15" PowerBook (my first Mac ever). I have large fingers, and have no problem with the keyboard. It's quite comfortable.
The keys on it are as large (area-wise) as my main keyboards. The only exceptions are the arrow keys and function keys. Sure, they're shallow (ie, not tall keys), but that shouldn't matter.
I've owned PC laptops in the past, and the keys on them have been small, sometimes uncomfortably so. In any case, my experience (1 dell and 1 cheapo-brand) the keys were smaller.
As for the touchpad, I works well enough. I awlays bring a travel USB mouse with me anyway since it's a pain to code and design forms with a TouchPad (no matter how nice it is). But even when I do use the TouchPad (basic computre use) I don't have a problem with it.
"The Aviator" is on there. Wasn't that a really recent movie that won some awards (or was at least nominated)?
But yeh, I own a bunch of them, but they definately aren't my "first string" movies. Dirty Work, Space Balls, RoboCop, and a few others.
But considering this list also has "Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey" and a few other snoozers, I'd have to say that maybe the world's a better place thanks to about 75% of this list being butchered.
I'm not surprised... Linux isn't THAT bad to learn. If a person wants to dedicate even the smallest amount of time, they can learn to use just about anything with a UI (console is a bit more tricky). Apps are pretty cookie-cutter now, so as long as you know how to start them you should be ok.
I will give the anonymous coward the point that OS X is easier to learn. The UI is more polished, and there's less worry about messing with some obscure.conf file or setting. I'm not saying it's common, but it happens.
As for cheaper than PC's... sorry. If you want, you could argue the mac-mini thing, or that the quality of a PowerBook is much better than the quality of a Dell Inspiron of the same price. But in reality, Apples are more expensive.
As for a country choosing a platform to begin a major CIS/IS venture, linux is the obvious choice. It's free, open, and can run on older hardware. Plus, knowing the inner-workings helps a person understand a lot about computers.
I have no problem with India becoming a information powerhouse, or with them getting consulting business. My only problem is with the companies that replace full time employees with a consulting firm in India.
That was the same thing at my school (except for that 1 Windows programming class using the Win32 API).
We had to have our C and C++ programs compile on Solaris (we each had an account and could telnet in). If it wouldn't compile, you had like 1 day to fix it (in some classes).
Before I graduated, my school bought a bunch of those thin Sun workstations for the library. They were neat, but they really needed a better UI. They were using string X-Windows or whatever which turned a lot of *nix newbies off. But, at least it always ensured I had access to a workstation since I didn't mind.
An embedded database is quite useful. Imagine the following scenario.
You're writing an application; say something that you want to sell or distribute on the net. Now, let's say you're program uses a heft amount of data and needs to perform complex searches against it. I'm not talking about free-text, but for columns whose values are between certain ranges or that follow a formula. Also, image that said information is relatively static.
Now, you could force all of your customers to install PostgreSql or MySql, but why bother? It's an app that's used maybe for 10 minutes at a time. That's overkill. Sure, if you're within a corporation you could just point your app to the company's Oracle (or PostgreSql, MySql, etc) database, but that's not the target audience.
Likewise, a text or binary file would be nice, but that's a lot of code to do the complex queries.
Using an embedded database means grabbing waypoints or routes within a certain area is very simple. You just perform a query limiting the longitute and latitude and with little effort you get back sets of data that match you're searches.
The embeded database makes it easily distributable to customers across the net, while allowing for simple code to perform complex lookups.
I'm not saying Cloudscape is the best (though I've used it for like a week in the past), but it and it's kind are pretty useful.
As for Java, I find that it'f pretty quick with the exception of startup and GUI (though both are a little better). And SWT overcomes the whole sluggish GUI aspect.
They "suppodedly" stopped the time thing with the season premiere. Archer told off the time travelling guy and said to leave us the hell alone. I think even the directors said in an interview that they were wrapping the temporal cold wars up.
This season has been bearable. The episodes are actually like Star Trek plots.
I was actually getting some respect for the show, but having Riker and Deana on the finale would just suck.
Yeh, i realize in broad terms it's pretty weak. But it's better than I had it.
I'm still scratching my head wondering how he was able to reach my connection from across the street (we both have nice front yards and the street i 3 car widths).
I'm just hoping he's not going to keep trying to get in. If I find out it happened again I'm going to have to start pounding on his door or report him.
I did my yearly cleaning up Windows computers at the relatives' over the holidays recently. It took an entire day. I'm beginning to understand why people even bother with windows. It's like a car-- even if it breaks down, you keep fixing it, and fixing it, and fixing it
Yeh, it's annoying.
What I do is made hard drive images for basic install, developer tools, and games and keep my mp3z and what-not on a seperate drive.
Starting from scartch, I reformatted windows, made the basic install (basic tools). Make an image. Install my dev tools. Make another image. Install my games. Make a final image.
Whenever my machine starts acting up, I simply say "screw it" and restore my hard drive using the image. The restoring takes a whole 10-15 minutes to bring back my OS and apps.
I had weak security on my desktops at home. I would share out a lot of folders since I bouce around like 3 PC's (and a Mac) when doing stuff for work or just roaming around wirelessly with my laptop.
That is, until the other week. I live in a suburban area with a fairly big lawn. I have wireless on and some weak security on the wireless router since I figured nobody lived close enough to my house that was computer literate. Security through geography.
Then I noticed someone had accessed some files; a computer name that wasn't any of mine or anyone else in the house. I wasn't happy. I found out a neighbor someone reached my wireless router from across the street and accessed some files (didn't check to see if they browsed the internet on my dime).
Since then, I've been more security-aware. I still have wireless on (for the convenience) but have a white-list set up and 128bit encryption.
I shared fewer folders, and kicked it up a notch; explicitly saying which user's could access the files.
I turned on File Valut (or whatever) on my PowerBook just in case.
I'm not that tight security wise, but my neighbor ain't getting through now.
As for the regular stuff to watch out for: I constantly scan for viruses and run ad-aware for spy ware. I sit behind my router's firewall and a software firewall of some sort (either the OS's or 3rd party for my work laptop).
Most of my hard drives are a couple of years old and I have no problems with them. And this is coming from a guy that uses his machines non-stop. Some are on all day processing data or converting shows I recorded on my PC DVR to a more compact format.
You get what you pay for. I don't skimp on my hard drives, I buy well reviewed models from manufacturers I trust.
However, I think he's speaking as a whole. If you take all of the PC owners, how many do you think actually need THAT much space? Sure, there's a alot of people (including myself) that need that kind of space. But as a whole, we only make up a small percentage
If you take into account all of the people that just use their machines for email, web browsing, taxes, and maybe the occasional game of solitaire then they really don't need that much space. Most people don't need their HP Pavilions to have 100+ GB of space.
But increasing capacity is definately important for us "power users," as well as the obvious professionals. Capacity is good, but for Joe Sixpack what doesn't know the difference between Gigabyte and Gigahert it's not that important.
Hopefully this is the same for jerks doing it at movie theaters. God that's annoying.
Seriously though, I'm kind of glad. IF someone is aiming anything stronger than a laser pointer at plains and trying to interfere with the landing, they deserve more than a slap on the wrist.
If it's one thing the idiot should know is that we're not going to screw around with our airplanes anymore. Mess with them, and find yourself in pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
I was already into computers by the time my grade school started me on Logo and some other Apple stuff (Hyper Studio anyone?). Of course, I didn't know my career would be in computers or anything. To me, they were just these "awesome" machines that let me play games and do homework.
It wasn't until my Freshman year when I was exposed to programming languages (other than QBasic) that I decided this is what I was going to do with my life.
What does this mean to us in mountanour or hilly areas in NJ.
For example, my home town is supposedly 220 ft above sea level. My area is on a hill maybe 30-40 ft above the center of town (we're on the outskirts).
So, would a 150ft wave even matter to us?
As others have mentioned, you are not FORCED to rewrite your VB6 app to VB.Net. It still works and compiles.
VB.Net is a whole other kettle of fish. It wasn't meant to be a quick import. The coding is different (object oriented), and uses different technologies. You're essentially complaining that a language and IDE based on COM and Active-X doesn't port well to a language based on the.Net framework (and has hooks for Active-X if needed). You might as well complain about the difficulties between porting back and forth between Carbon and Cocoa on the Mac.
However, I agree with your Java arguments..Net is nice for windows coding, but for anything cross-platform Java is nicer. Java is also more mature and rock solid.
Java's definately the way to go. But complaining about VB6 -> VB.Net is kind of pointless.
My only gripe in the last version (I don't know about this one) is that the way the project is stored - you cannot edit it easily if your form goes "wrong". It also rebuilds the code (even if you change it in another editor) in the uneditable regions for you each time.
In this version, there's an option to save the GUI forms as binary classes or as strict java code.
I'll admit, I've never given NetBeans a good try, but I think I'll try now.
MS Office is really cheap (considering) if you buy the "Student and Teacher" edition. You don't need an ID or have to do anything special; just pick it off the shelf and buy it. It costs $150 USD, not cheap but not THAT much.
OSX is nice. I use my PowerBook for just about every non-gaming thing I do (with the exception of the occasional Visual C++ program for work).
It takes a little getting used to, but it's rather fun.
By "reasonably well bundled" I mean decent socks (wool), long underwear, a warm hat (which covers your ears) mittens, and a proper non-synthetic coat such as wool and/or down.
I agree with other statements, that definition of "reasonably well bundled" is going a bit far. People vary in their comfort level, but if it got down to 41 deg F over the night, that's not so bad.
Yes, the BoyScout in me would want to be prepared, but it's been about that temperature mid-day around my neighborhood. In my case, I've gone for long walks and done yard work in jeans, T-shirt, and light autumn jacket. Sure, if I were staying overnight I'd bring a sleeping bag with me and maybe a beanie (warm hat) and some gloves just in case, but wool socks and thermals are overkill.
Then again, if they're used to milder or warmer weather, then 41 deg F might seem like 20 deg F to me. But to me, it's no big deal; I like it a few degrees cooler anyway.
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My last year living on campus...
It was winter (a cold one at that) and some jerks had pulled the fire alarm like 2 or 3 mights in a row (around 3 AM).
Well, they wouldn't let us go inside any of the other buildings and had campus cops there to make sure we didn't wander off. Meanwhile, there was ice and snow on the ground and only half of us were awake enough to remember that fact (and so a lot of us were under dressed).
So, you have a few hundred college students wearing slippers, pajama pants, and maybe half had jackets in around 15 degree (F) weather. Nowhere to go, nothing to do.
The stupid jerks wouldn't let us back in unless the guilty parties would step forward about pulling the alarms. We were out there for like 15 to 20 minutes listening to them say "You are all staying outside in the cold until someone steps forward."
They eventually gave up. I mean, what did they think? Was someone really going to fess up to it before? Now coming forward would started a riot because we were freezing and pissed.
Process is one thing, but the people interpretting are another.
I was taking a law / ethics class back in college (simple class, not the advanced stuff) and we went over a case that kind of freaked some of us out. It was about a man falsely imprisoned in Texas.
The guy was brought in on bad evidence and testimony. That was bad enough, particularly the "witness" who never actually saw anything.
While waiting for trial, the police sent in a psychologist. They didn't even inform the guy what was going on, they said they had to "check" something. So, they had him draw a picture, sign his name, try to draw a perfect circle and that was it.
The trial comes, and the psychologist said he examined the defendant and based on his handwriting and drawings he was one of the most vile killers he'd ever seen. The shrink went on and on, and went on to pat himself on the back for helping catch such a dangerous killer..
Remember, this was just from a circle, his name, and a picture of a house (or something similar) all done within like 5 minutes. This had nothing to do with the evidence, because there was no note or anything, it was supposedly a crime of opportunity.
Years later, the real killer came forward. After re-investigating, they found the witness was a screwball AND didn't see anything, and a lot of other stuff that had gone wrong. They eventually let him go with no pay or anything. Meanwhile, the guy had spent like a decade in jail.
You have to wonder about these supposed shrinks that analyze handwiriting and what-not. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but in this case I think a bunch of them were quacks that just wanted their name in teh paper.
Sounds like a troll, but I'll bite.
I own a 15" PowerBook (my first Mac ever). I have large fingers, and have no problem with the keyboard. It's quite comfortable.
The keys on it are as large (area-wise) as my main keyboards. The only exceptions are the arrow keys and function keys. Sure, they're shallow (ie, not tall keys), but that shouldn't matter.
I've owned PC laptops in the past, and the keys on them have been small, sometimes uncomfortably so. In any case, my experience (1 dell and 1 cheapo-brand) the keys were smaller.
As for the touchpad, I works well enough. I awlays bring a travel USB mouse with me anyway since it's a pain to code and design forms with a TouchPad (no matter how nice it is). But even when I do use the TouchPad (basic computre use) I don't have a problem with it.
"The Aviator" is on there. Wasn't that a really recent movie that won some awards (or was at least nominated)?
But yeh, I own a bunch of them, but they definately aren't my "first string" movies. Dirty Work, Space Balls, RoboCop, and a few others.
But considering this list also has "Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey" and a few other snoozers, I'd have to say that maybe the world's a better place thanks to about 75% of this list being butchered.
I'm not surprised... Linux isn't THAT bad to learn. If a person wants to dedicate even the smallest amount of time, they can learn to use just about anything with a UI (console is a bit more tricky). Apps are pretty cookie-cutter now, so as long as you know how to start them you should be ok.
.conf file or setting. I'm not saying it's common, but it happens.
I will give the anonymous coward the point that OS X is easier to learn. The UI is more polished, and there's less worry about messing with some obscure
As for cheaper than PC's... sorry. If you want, you could argue the mac-mini thing, or that the quality of a PowerBook is much better than the quality of a Dell Inspiron of the same price. But in reality, Apples are more expensive.
As for a country choosing a platform to begin a major CIS/IS venture, linux is the obvious choice. It's free, open, and can run on older hardware. Plus, knowing the inner-workings helps a person understand a lot about computers.
I have no problem with India becoming a information powerhouse, or with them getting consulting business. My only problem is with the companies that replace full time employees with a consulting firm in India.
That was the same thing at my school (except for that 1 Windows programming class using the Win32 API).
We had to have our C and C++ programs compile on Solaris (we each had an account and could telnet in). If it wouldn't compile, you had like 1 day to fix it (in some classes).
Before I graduated, my school bought a bunch of those thin Sun workstations for the library. They were neat, but they really needed a better UI. They were using string X-Windows or whatever which turned a lot of *nix newbies off. But, at least it always ensured I had access to a workstation since I didn't mind.
Now, if only they had also educated me in Java...
For the nay-sayers out there...
An embedded database is quite useful. Imagine the following scenario.
You're writing an application; say something that you want to sell or distribute on the net. Now, let's say you're program uses a heft amount of data and needs to perform complex searches against it. I'm not talking about free-text, but for columns whose values are between certain ranges or that follow a formula. Also, image that said information is relatively static.
Now, you could force all of your customers to install PostgreSql or MySql, but why bother? It's an app that's used maybe for 10 minutes at a time. That's overkill. Sure, if you're within a corporation you could just point your app to the company's Oracle (or PostgreSql, MySql, etc) database, but that's not the target audience.
Likewise, a text or binary file would be nice, but that's a lot of code to do the complex queries.
Using an embedded database means grabbing waypoints or routes within a certain area is very simple. You just perform a query limiting the longitute and latitude and with little effort you get back sets of data that match you're searches.
The embeded database makes it easily distributable to customers across the net, while allowing for simple code to perform complex lookups.
I'm not saying Cloudscape is the best (though I've used it for like a week in the past), but it and it's kind are pretty useful.
As for Java, I find that it'f pretty quick with the exception of startup and GUI (though both are a little better). And SWT overcomes the whole sluggish GUI aspect.
They "suppodedly" stopped the time thing with the season premiere. Archer told off the time travelling guy and said to leave us the hell alone. I think even the directors said in an interview that they were wrapping the temporal cold wars up.
This season has been bearable. The episodes are actually like Star Trek plots.
I was actually getting some respect for the show, but having Riker and Deana on the finale would just suck.
Yeh, i realize in broad terms it's pretty weak. But it's better than I had it.
I'm still scratching my head wondering how he was able to reach my connection from across the street (we both have nice front yards and the street i 3 car widths).
I'm just hoping he's not going to keep trying to get in. If I find out it happened again I'm going to have to start pounding on his door or report him.
I did my yearly cleaning up Windows computers at the relatives' over the holidays recently. It took an entire day. I'm beginning to understand why people even bother with windows. It's like a car-- even if it breaks down, you keep fixing it, and fixing it, and fixing it
Yeh, it's annoying.
What I do is made hard drive images for basic install, developer tools, and games and keep my mp3z and what-not on a seperate drive.
Starting from scartch, I reformatted windows, made the basic install (basic tools). Make an image. Install my dev tools. Make another image. Install my games. Make a final image.
Whenever my machine starts acting up, I simply say "screw it" and restore my hard drive using the image. The restoring takes a whole 10-15 minutes to bring back my OS and apps.
Man, I love OS X more and more each day.
I had weak security on my desktops at home. I would share out a lot of folders since I bouce around like 3 PC's (and a Mac) when doing stuff for work or just roaming around wirelessly with my laptop.
That is, until the other week. I live in a suburban area with a fairly big lawn. I have wireless on and some weak security on the wireless router since I figured nobody lived close enough to my house that was computer literate. Security through geography.
Then I noticed someone had accessed some files; a computer name that wasn't any of mine or anyone else in the house. I wasn't happy. I found out a neighbor someone reached my wireless router from across the street and accessed some files (didn't check to see if they browsed the internet on my dime).
Since then, I've been more security-aware. I still have wireless on (for the convenience) but have a white-list set up and 128bit encryption.
I shared fewer folders, and kicked it up a notch; explicitly saying which user's could access the files.
I turned on File Valut (or whatever) on my PowerBook just in case.
I'm not that tight security wise, but my neighbor ain't getting through now.
As for the regular stuff to watch out for: I constantly scan for viruses and run ad-aware for spy ware. I sit behind my router's firewall and a software firewall of some sort (either the OS's or 3rd party for my work laptop).
Really?
Most of my hard drives are a couple of years old and I have no problems with them. And this is coming from a guy that uses his machines non-stop. Some are on all day processing data or converting shows I recorded on my PC DVR to a more compact format.
You get what you pay for. I don't skimp on my hard drives, I buy well reviewed models from manufacturers I trust.
But, I guess some people are just unlucky.
I'm sure the original post realizes that.
However, I think he's speaking as a whole. If you take all of the PC owners, how many do you think actually need THAT much space? Sure, there's a alot of people (including myself) that need that kind of space. But as a whole, we only make up a small percentage
If you take into account all of the people that just use their machines for email, web browsing, taxes, and maybe the occasional game of solitaire then they really don't need that much space. Most people don't need their HP Pavilions to have 100+ GB of space.
But increasing capacity is definately important for us "power users," as well as the obvious professionals. Capacity is good, but for Joe Sixpack what doesn't know the difference between Gigabyte and Gigahert it's not that important.
1 word for you - Humidity
The air inside a refigerator has moisture in it, and when exposed to the cold temperature, it condenses(slightly) on whatever is in there.
You REALLY don't want moisture formining on your motherboard.
A friend of my brother's really annoys me.
He claims to be an expert on computers (and I'll admit he knows a little).
But whenever someone mentions AMD, he laughs. "They're at what, 2 GHz now. Talk about ripping people off with those upped numbers."
No matter how many times I explain what's going on, and that the performance is similar, he sitl laughs and starts going on about clock cycles.
I don't know who I hate more. Those that know nothing, or those that know only a little.
Hopefully this is the same for jerks doing it at movie theaters. God that's annoying.
Seriously though, I'm kind of glad. IF someone is aiming anything stronger than a laser pointer at plains and trying to interfere with the landing, they deserve more than a slap on the wrist.
If it's one thing the idiot should know is that we're not going to screw around with our airplanes anymore. Mess with them, and find yourself in pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
My good ol' Commodore. That thing was great.
I was already into computers by the time my grade school started me on Logo and some other Apple stuff (Hyper Studio anyone?). Of course, I didn't know my career would be in computers or anything. To me, they were just these "awesome" machines that let me play games and do homework.
It wasn't until my Freshman year when I was exposed to programming languages (other than QBasic) that I decided this is what I was going to do with my life.
"Come on, shelf paper."
Might make criminal getaways a little easier; kind of like the 5 second paintjob you get in GTA3.
What does this mean to us in mountanour or hilly areas in NJ. For example, my home town is supposedly 220 ft above sea level. My area is on a hill maybe 30-40 ft above the center of town (we're on the outskirts). So, would a 150ft wave even matter to us?
Well, it's not an over-and-over again type of thing.
Each one pretty much takes place under the pretense that the past ones didn't, except for maybe Ocrarina of Time -> Majora's Mask.
Personally, I think the SNES game (Link to the Past) was a piece of perfection.
As others have mentioned, you are not FORCED to rewrite your VB6 app to VB.Net. It still works and compiles.
.Net framework (and has hooks for Active-X if needed). You might as well complain about the difficulties between porting back and forth between Carbon and Cocoa on the Mac.
.Net is nice for windows coding, but for anything cross-platform Java is nicer. Java is also more mature and rock solid.
VB.Net is a whole other kettle of fish. It wasn't meant to be a quick import. The coding is different (object oriented), and uses different technologies. You're essentially complaining that a language and IDE based on COM and Active-X doesn't port well to a language based on the
However, I agree with your Java arguments.
Java's definately the way to go. But complaining about VB6 -> VB.Net is kind of pointless.
In this version, there's an option to save the GUI forms as binary classes or as strict java code.
I'll admit, I've never given NetBeans a good try, but I think I'll try now.
I'm a recent convert.
MS Office is really cheap (considering) if you buy the "Student and Teacher" edition. You don't need an ID or have to do anything special; just pick it off the shelf and buy it. It costs $150 USD, not cheap but not THAT much.
OSX is nice. I use my PowerBook for just about every non-gaming thing I do (with the exception of the occasional Visual C++ program for work).
It takes a little getting used to, but it's rather fun.
I agree with other statements, that definition of "reasonably well bundled" is going a bit far. People vary in their comfort level, but if it got down to 41 deg F over the night, that's not so bad.
Yes, the BoyScout in me would want to be prepared, but it's been about that temperature mid-day around my neighborhood. In my case, I've gone for long walks and done yard work in jeans, T-shirt, and light autumn jacket. Sure, if I were staying overnight I'd bring a sleeping bag with me and maybe a beanie (warm hat) and some gloves just in case, but wool socks and thermals are overkill.
Then again, if they're used to milder or warmer weather, then 41 deg F might seem like 20 deg F to me. But to me, it's no big deal; I like it a few degrees cooler anyway.