or as in or 'already broadcast a million times for free'??
I can see 'them' getting upset over the taping and release of a Still-in-the-theater movie. But once it's been shown on TV, for free, who cares. What's the practical difference between me taping a free, over-the-airwaves broadcast, and me downloading a copy that someone else taped??
MAybe not, but hackers can learn to pick pockets. Never seen 'Sneakers', I take it? The 'hackers' found a guy who had access to the building they wanted, then set him up on a date. The woman went thru his wallet, and passed his key-card out the windows for them to copy. The same could happen with a written-down list of passwords.
They wouldn't know what site it was for, or even that it was passwords in the first place.
If someone is so stupid they can't remember a 8-character password, what makes you think they can remember their username or even what system it's for?? Face it- most people will write Everything down.
Notice the GP didn't advocate writing down usernames or the purpose of the passwords
If the starfish* can't remember their password, what in the Wide, Wide World of Sports makes you think they can remember their usernames??
*slang for stupid users. It's a Tech Support Comedy thing. You see, starfish use the same openign to eat and excrete (everyone in tech support knows users talk shit), and it's not that bright.
And to do that, he absolutely needed to run a global search for media files, right? And then he was required to open those files and look at the content, right?
I don't think so. If the tech needed files to burn, then he should have either used files from the Windows directory, or files off a flash drive or CD/DVD. What he should NOT have done is gone poking into the customers files.
5: No one ever copies files (especially illicit files) by burning them to CDs and giving them to people.
A burned CD (or a flash drive, or a portable HD, or even a floppy) will not link with any sites he goes to online. The files, will 'appear' on the HD, no browser history, no trail. Where's your "Shitload of other corroborating evidence" now??
1) If you've ever worked in retail, you know that some customers can be... infuriating. This shouldn't be an excuse for performing illegal acts to the detriment of those customers.
2) You brought the PC to a COMPANY. You don't know WHO if working on it. Maybe that company just hired that bratty kid next door as a tech. He sees your name on the receipt, and wants revenge for all the times you yelled at him to get off your grass.
3) Some people are just born pranksters. They tell people on WOW that "alt-F4" brings up a cool new mod, or they flip co-workers screens upside down with alt-crtl-down arrow. Or, they plant kiddie porn on peoples PC. Maybe they blackmail you, too. Who knows.
That's like taking your car to get it repaired and being pissed off when you get arrested because the mechanic notices the 5 kilos of coke in your back seat.
No, it's more like taking your car in to have the tires changed, and the mechanic finds a baggie of weed in your trunk. WTF was he doing searching your trunk, when his job was to replace your tires. Oh, he makes some excuse about needing the tire iron to get the wheels off. Bullshit. A mechanic would have his own (power) tools for doing that. It's an extremely weak excuse.
When a closed container is turned over to a public entity (business, etc) for the express intent of having that container opened, the expectation of privacy (and thus 4th Amendment protection) is voluntarily waived. ..which has NO relevence to the issue at hand. The techs did a HARDWARE install, then searched thru the FILES, which are unrelated. It's like inviting a locksmith into your house to crack the safe in your study, and you find him traipsing thru your wine cellar.
When you watch it when it's aired, first of all you watch the ads,
No I don't.
I'm hard-pressed to think of even ONE person who just sits and watches all the ads. Everyone I know either:
1) channel-surfs until the ads are over (or they find something better to watch) 2) Goes to the bathroom/kitchen/to check on the baby/whatever 3) talks to others about the segment of the show they just saw.
Uneducated and ignorant must not have the right to vote. Voting is a privilege and bares responsibility. Our forefathers knew this. Allowing everyone to vote is to spit on our forefathers. Those voting should be required to answer basic, topical questions.
How about making people go thru a period of Federal Service before being able to vote? Heinlein proposed this idea in his book Starship Troopers (the book, not the horrible movie). Only those who Really value being able to vote (and therefore, would be more likely to use thier franchise seriously) would bother.
All gun laws need to be revoked. Almost all of them are unconstitutional.
True.
Longer term limits so the elected can actually do their job.
In The moon is a Harsh mistress, Heinlein had a character propose a bi-cameral legislature- one house that Makes laws (with a 2/3 majority), and one that does nothing but Repeal laws (with a 1/3 minority). In that case, having a shorter term limit makes more sense to me.
We need to modify the electoral system. Is it obsolete. Any representative voting against their popular vote should be imprisoned.
Why not just eliminate the Electoral College and go right to the popular vote? If they can get off their butts and get a SECURE and USABLE electronic voting system in place, it'll be easy to get even the Presidential winner minutes after the polls close.
My point was that people will overlook their own faults in order to look down on other people because of their faults. Adulterous men will speak bad of another man who was found to be adulterous. People who pick their nose will laugh at 'worlds funniest nosepickers caught on camera'. People who make typos (especially when excited/stressed), will think stupid a man who's logged IRC chat from 10 years ago shows a few grammatical mistakes.
It's not a matter of "No one is perfect, so it doesn't matter someone's flaws are recorded". It DOES matter. We should be free to live our lives without them being recorded and archived for searching at a later date. yeah, yeah, 'if you something in public, it's public'. I'm not objecting to that. I'm objecting to the recording and archiving (which, if it doesn't happen, soon will).
So Username1 said something stupid on IRC ten years ago, and Username2 made a mistake on a Wiki edit five years ago, and Username3 posted drunken photos on Facebook a year ago. And one day, somebody finds out... but so what? If their histories are just like the other hundred million Usernames with their own embarrassing histories and mistakes, well, big deal.
Is IS a big deal. People very often overlook the bean in their eye to condemn others for the mote in theirs. IOW, If "Username1" wants to run for President, he'll have to put up with attack ads detailing the "somethign stupid" he said on IRC 10 years ago. People will overlook the fact that everyone says something stupid once in a while, and focus on that one case. I mean, how many married men get BJs from women other then their wives? Probably millions. But when Clinton did it, how many of the millions overlooked their own infidelities and called for his impeachment?
The second issue with storing these chats is the searchability. Yes, everything said and done in public is public, but do we really want a huge, searchable database of everything done in public?? Do we want [employers/police/political action groups/our kids/our parents/advertisers] being able to search a database and come up with a list of everyone who sneezed in public last Thursday?
If a tree falls in the woods, but no one is around to hear it... then we don't know if it makes a sound or not.
Unless everything we know about physics is wrong, it does indeed make a sound.
Sure, our understanding of physics has very strongly validated assumptions we've made axioms that mandate that it does... But that is still a leap of faith.
No, it's not. It's a reasonable extrapolation based on experimental evidence. If someone gives me a numnber sequence: 1,2,3,4,5 and asks what the next number will be, I predict it will be 6 based upon the available evidence. I don't "have faith" it is 6.
Because during normal operation, they burst into flames and burned down my entire apartment!
No, ONE apparently caused a fire. Freak accidents happen all the time. Doesn't mean the product involved is faulty. More likely, the user mis-used or mis-handled the product.
If I'm standing on the top step of a rickety stepladder, drunk, juggling Ginsu Steak Knives, and slip and fall off, and one of the knives cuts my eyelid off, can I sue Ginsu for selling knives that are "unreasonably dangerous"? No- it wasn't the knive that were dangerous, but rather my handling of them.
If Ginsu advertises their knives as "unbreakable", but I manage to break one (after freezing it in liquid nitrogen, exposing it to anti-croniton radiation, and cross-circuiting the warp core with the deflector dish), can I sue them? No- because I exposed it to extremely non-normal conditions.
Once again- freak accidents happen. That doesn't prove the product is dangerous.
If I had a Sony battery that burned up my entire apartment, is Sony off the hook because 24 million other Sony battery users didn't have their domiciles destroyed by their battery?
Well, I don't see how you could possibly claim their batteries are "unreasonably dangerous".
that means that some parts of the water nearest the heating element have just reached the boiling point
In other words, the water is boiling.
may you do so well at age 80.
Stella was 79, not 80.
if a car manufacturer makes a car that they know will cause unusually excessive injuries in a crash
And if a car manufacturer makes a car JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CAR ON THE MARKET...?
I'll say it again. McDonalds was NOT making coffee differently than normal. Other fast food places made it at the SAME temperature. HOME coffee makers make it at that SAME temperature. The National Coffee Association recommends that SAME temperature. The American National Standards Institute recommends that SAME temperature.
This is NOT a case of one place selling coffee that was significantly hotter (and therefore significantly more dangerous) than anywhere else.
I guess if you dropped a hammer on your foot (in an uncharacteristically clutzy moment) that for some inexplicable reason was made of knock-off IBM laptop batteries and it exploded taking off your foot, you wouldn't feel that the hammer manufacturer was in any way responsible since, after all, it was your fault for dropping the hammer
Talk about crazy analogies.
If I dropped a hammer on my foot and broke my toe, I would not sue. Hammers are heavy. All hammers. They are designed, made, and sold that way. Heavy things, combined with gravity, can cause injury. If I mis-hnadle the hammer and drop it on my toe, I, and no one else, am to blame. If I spilled coffee on my lap and burned my crotch, I would not sue. Coffee is hot. All coffee*. It is designed, made, and sold that way. Hot things, combined with time, can cause injury. If I mis-hnadle the coffee and spill it on my crotch, I, and no one else, am to blame. (*except iced coffee. Duh.)
the extent of the injuries was caused by the unreasonably -- as in more than anyone, including you, actually believe most coffee to be served at -- hot temperatures
Wrong. I've siad repeatedly that the coffee was at proper temperature. To repeat myself (for the last time, hopefully): 1) 205 degrees is the UPPER limit for BREWING (NOT FOR DRINKING) 2) Coffee should be "maintained at 180 - 185 degrees"
McDonalds did not violate these standards. Their coffee was NOT "excessively hot"- it was no hotter than anyone elses coffee. It was no hotter than HOME coffee makers make. It was no hotter than the recommendation of the National Coffee Association and no hotter than the American National Standards Institute standards.
if you saw water in a pot on a stove that was lightly bubbling that you'd freaking pick up the pot and drink from it?
1) "Lightly bubbling" water is not 'almost boiling', it IS boiling. 2) I would, and have, drunk "almost boiling" water. Usually as part of tea or hot cocoa. (I don't drink coffee.) I have a cup/mug with the tea/cocoa in it, I boil water, and pour it into the mug. I then sip the liquid. This is how most people do it. How do you do it? 3) I have yet to dump it in my crotch and burn myself. And if I did, I sure wouldn't sue anyone.
And I take it you think it's coffee lady who's a moron who deserves what she got?
I think she cause her own injuries through carelessness, and therefore was not owed any money.
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or as in or 'already broadcast a million times for free'??
I can see 'them' getting upset over the taping and release of a Still-in-the-theater movie. But once it's been shown on TV, for free, who cares. What's the practical difference between me taping a free, over-the-airwaves broadcast, and me downloading a copy that someone else taped??
The person too stupid to remember an 8-character password, and here you are talking about running numbers thru "invertable functions".
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we all know pickpockets are leet computer hackers
MAybe not, but hackers can learn to pick pockets. Never seen 'Sneakers', I take it? The 'hackers' found a guy who had access to the building they wanted, then set him up on a date. The woman went thru his wallet, and passed his key-card out the windows for them to copy. The same could happen with a written-down list of passwords.
They wouldn't know what site it was for, or even that it was passwords in the first place.
If someone is so stupid they can't remember a 8-character password, what makes you think they can remember their username or even what system it's for?? Face it- most people will write Everything down.
Notice the GP didn't advocate writing down usernames or the purpose of the passwords
If the starfish* can't remember their password, what in the Wide, Wide World of Sports makes you think they can remember their usernames??
*slang for stupid users. It's a Tech Support Comedy thing. You see, starfish use the same openign to eat and excrete (everyone in tech support knows users talk shit), and it's not that bright.
Yeah, because no one ever loses their wallet. And there's not a profession that centers around stealing wallets, either.
Except he needed to test the software
And to do that, he absolutely needed to run a global search for media files, right? And then he was required to open those files and look at the content, right?
I don't think so. If the tech needed files to burn, then he should have either used files from the Windows directory, or files off a flash drive or CD/DVD. What he should NOT have done is gone poking into the customers files.
5: No one ever copies files (especially illicit files) by burning them to CDs and giving them to people.
A burned CD (or a flash drive, or a portable HD, or even a floppy) will not link with any sites he goes to online. The files, will 'appear' on the HD, no browser history, no trail. Where's your "Shitload of other corroborating evidence" now??
1) If you've ever worked in retail, you know that some customers can be... infuriating. This shouldn't be an excuse for performing illegal acts to the detriment of those customers.
2) You brought the PC to a COMPANY. You don't know WHO if working on it. Maybe that company just hired that bratty kid next door as a tech. He sees your name on the receipt, and wants revenge for all the times you yelled at him to get off your grass.
3) Some people are just born pranksters. They tell people on WOW that "alt-F4" brings up a cool new mod, or they flip co-workers screens upside down with alt-crtl-down arrow. Or, they plant kiddie porn on peoples PC. Maybe they blackmail you, too. Who knows.
That's like taking your car to get it repaired and being pissed off when you get arrested because the mechanic notices the 5 kilos of coke in your back seat.
No, it's more like taking your car in to have the tires changed, and the mechanic finds a baggie of weed in your trunk. WTF was he doing searching your trunk, when his job was to replace your tires. Oh, he makes some excuse about needing the tire iron to get the wheels off. Bullshit. A mechanic would have his own (power) tools for doing that. It's an extremely weak excuse.
When a closed container is turned over to a public entity (business, etc) for the express intent of having that container opened, the expectation of privacy (and thus 4th Amendment protection) is voluntarily waived. ..which has NO relevence to the issue at hand. The techs did a HARDWARE install, then searched thru the FILES, which are unrelated. It's like inviting a locksmith into your house to crack the safe in your study, and you find him traipsing thru your wine cellar.
Even better is making people do a 2-year term of Federal Service before they can vote or hold office.
When you watch it when it's aired, first of all you watch the ads,
No I don't.
I'm hard-pressed to think of even ONE person who just sits and watches all the ads. Everyone I know either:
1) channel-surfs until the ads are over (or they find something better to watch)
2) Goes to the bathroom/kitchen/to check on the baby/whatever
3) talks to others about the segment of the show they just saw.
I can see why Best Buy would not like the shirts -- it could allow anyone to pretend to be a Best Buy employee
Except, of course for the big "Improv Everywhere" logo that replaced the "Best Buy" logo.
They're just more likely to go uneducated and continue the cycle.
That's the point.
What I'm saying is, it's nothing a little education couldn't cure
And who's going to educate the uneducated? The uneducated? Ever hear the phrase "the blind leading the blind"??
intelligent people will never die out, they'll just rise up from 'unintelligent' sources.
And they'll find themselves the only educated person in a sea of morons.
Uneducated and ignorant must not have the right to vote. Voting is a privilege and bares responsibility. Our forefathers knew this. Allowing everyone to vote is to spit on our forefathers. Those voting should be required to answer basic, topical questions.
How about making people go thru a period of Federal Service before being able to vote? Heinlein proposed this idea in his book Starship Troopers (the book, not the horrible movie). Only those who Really value being able to vote (and therefore, would be more likely to use thier franchise seriously) would bother.
All gun laws need to be revoked. Almost all of them are unconstitutional.
True.
Longer term limits so the elected can actually do their job.
In The moon is a Harsh mistress, Heinlein had a character propose a bi-cameral legislature- one house that Makes laws (with a 2/3 majority), and one that does nothing but Repeal laws (with a 1/3 minority). In that case, having a shorter term limit makes more sense to me.
We need to modify the electoral system. Is it obsolete. Any representative voting against their popular vote should be imprisoned.
Why not just eliminate the Electoral College and go right to the popular vote? If they can get off their butts and get a SECURE and USABLE electronic voting system in place, it'll be easy to get even the Presidential winner minutes after the polls close.
See? That's the kind of stuff that'll prevent me from running for President one day.
Yes, I am aware of that.
My point was that people will overlook their own faults in order to look down on other people because of their faults. Adulterous men will speak bad of another man who was found to be adulterous. People who pick their nose will laugh at 'worlds funniest nosepickers caught on camera'. People who make typos (especially when excited/stressed), will think stupid a man who's logged IRC chat from 10 years ago shows a few grammatical mistakes.
It's not a matter of "No one is perfect, so it doesn't matter someone's flaws are recorded". It DOES matter. We should be free to live our lives without them being recorded and archived for searching at a later date. yeah, yeah, 'if you something in public, it's public'. I'm not objecting to that. I'm objecting to the recording and archiving (which, if it doesn't happen, soon will).
So Username1 said something stupid on IRC ten years ago, and Username2 made a mistake on a Wiki edit five years ago, and Username3 posted drunken photos on Facebook a year ago. And one day, somebody finds out... but so what? If their histories are just like the other hundred million Usernames with their own embarrassing histories and mistakes, well, big deal.
Is IS a big deal. People very often overlook the bean in their eye to condemn others for the mote in theirs. IOW, If "Username1" wants to run for President, he'll have to put up with attack ads detailing the "somethign stupid" he said on IRC 10 years ago. People will overlook the fact that everyone says something stupid once in a while, and focus on that one case. I mean, how many married men get BJs from women other then their wives? Probably millions. But when Clinton did it, how many of the millions overlooked their own infidelities and called for his impeachment?
The second issue with storing these chats is the searchability. Yes, everything said and done in public is public, but do we really want a huge, searchable database of everything done in public?? Do we want [employers/police/political action groups/our kids/our parents/advertisers] being able to search a database and come up with a list of everyone who sneezed in public last Thursday?
If a tree falls in the woods, but no one is around to hear it ... then we don't know if it makes a sound or not.
... But that is still a leap of faith.
Unless everything we know about physics is wrong, it does indeed make a sound.
Sure, our understanding of physics has very strongly validated assumptions we've made axioms that mandate that it does
No, it's not. It's a reasonable extrapolation based on experimental evidence. If someone gives me a numnber sequence: 1,2,3,4,5 and asks what the next number will be, I predict it will be 6 based upon the available evidence. I don't "have faith" it is 6.
Because during normal operation, they burst into flames and burned down my entire apartment!
No, ONE apparently caused a fire. Freak accidents happen all the time. Doesn't mean the product involved is faulty. More likely, the user mis-used or mis-handled the product.
If I'm standing on the top step of a rickety stepladder, drunk, juggling Ginsu Steak Knives, and slip and fall off, and one of the knives cuts my eyelid off, can I sue Ginsu for selling knives that are "unreasonably dangerous"? No- it wasn't the knive that were dangerous, but rather my handling of them.
If Ginsu advertises their knives as "unbreakable", but I manage to break one (after freezing it in liquid nitrogen, exposing it to anti-croniton radiation, and cross-circuiting the warp core with the deflector dish), can I sue them? No- because I exposed it to extremely non-normal conditions.
Once again- freak accidents happen. That doesn't prove the product is dangerous.
Nope. I even posted a link to their site. It's not a hoax.
the ludicrous claim that you should drink coffee at 200 degrees
Strawman. Coffee should be maintained at 180-185, not 200. 200 is the BREWING temperature.
blatant appeal to majority argument
"If many believe so, it is so."
Nope, more like "if 23,999,99 out of 24,000,000 people don't hurt themselves, it's not "unreasonably dangerous"". Quite different.
Let's see. Lie, Strawman, inaccuracy in an AC posting. Yup, it's Slashdot!
If I had a Sony battery that burned up my entire apartment, is Sony off the hook because 24 million other Sony battery users didn't have their domiciles destroyed by their battery?
Well, I don't see how you could possibly claim their batteries are "unreasonably dangerous".
that means that some parts of the water nearest the heating element have just reached the boiling point
In other words, the water is boiling.
may you do so well at age 80.
Stella was 79, not 80.
if a car manufacturer makes a car that they know will cause unusually excessive injuries in a crash
And if a car manufacturer makes a car JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CAR ON THE MARKET...?
I'll say it again. McDonalds was NOT making coffee differently than normal. Other fast food places made it at the SAME temperature. HOME coffee makers make it at that SAME temperature. The National Coffee Association recommends that SAME temperature. The American National Standards Institute recommends that SAME temperature.
This is NOT a case of one place selling coffee that was significantly hotter (and therefore significantly more dangerous) than anywhere else.
I guess if you dropped a hammer on your foot (in an uncharacteristically clutzy moment) that for some inexplicable reason was made of knock-off IBM laptop batteries and it exploded taking off your foot, you wouldn't feel that the hammer manufacturer was in any way responsible since, after all, it was your fault for dropping the hammer
Talk about crazy analogies.
If I dropped a hammer on my foot and broke my toe, I would not sue. Hammers are heavy. All hammers. They are designed, made, and sold that way. Heavy things, combined with gravity, can cause injury. If I mis-hnadle the hammer and drop it on my toe, I, and no one else, am to blame.
If I spilled coffee on my lap and burned my crotch, I would not sue. Coffee is hot. All coffee*. It is designed, made, and sold that way. Hot things, combined with time, can cause injury. If I mis-hnadle the coffee and spill it on my crotch, I, and no one else, am to blame.
(*except iced coffee. Duh.)
the extent of the injuries was caused by the unreasonably -- as in more than anyone, including you, actually believe most coffee to be served at -- hot temperatures
Wrong. I've siad repeatedly that the coffee was at proper temperature. To repeat myself (for the last time, hopefully):
1) 205 degrees is the UPPER limit for BREWING (NOT FOR DRINKING)
2) Coffee should be "maintained at 180 - 185 degrees"
McDonalds did not violate these standards. Their coffee was NOT "excessively hot"- it was no hotter than anyone elses coffee. It was no hotter than HOME coffee makers make. It was no hotter than the recommendation of the National Coffee Association and no hotter than the American National Standards Institute standards.
IT WAS NOT TOO HOT.
I can't make it plainer than that.
And there is a difference between coffee served at home and in a drive thru.
Guess which one lets the coffee cool down to safe drinking/handling temperature as you continue your drive to work?
if you saw water in a pot on a stove that was lightly bubbling that you'd freaking pick up the pot and drink from it?
1) "Lightly bubbling" water is not 'almost boiling', it IS boiling.
2) I would, and have, drunk "almost boiling" water. Usually as part of tea or hot cocoa. (I don't drink coffee.) I have a cup/mug with the tea/cocoa in it, I boil water, and pour it into the mug. I then sip the liquid. This is how most people do it. How do you do it?
3) I have yet to dump it in my crotch and burn myself. And if I did, I sure wouldn't sue anyone.
And I take it you think it's coffee lady who's a moron who deserves what she got?
I think she cause her own injuries through carelessness, and therefore was not owed any money.