The difference between a cult and a religion is that you can vountarily leave a religion. Islam, Co$, moonies, etc are cults because you can not freely choose to leave them. Leaving Islam makes you fair game to Muslims. Leaving Co$ makes you fair game to the Co$.
The important thing is how did they score on the ACID2 test? Do they handle XSS correctly or not at all? I want my happy face with the blinky nose, not security.
COPYRIGHT 2002 The Miami Herald
Apr. 8--Cuba's credit history is not one to envy.
In 1986, Cuba suspended payment of its debt with the Club of Paris.
In 2000, it could not pay $175 million owed to the French COFACE. In September, it defaulted on debt to Spain, South Africa and Chile.
Only on slashdot is the truth considered flamebait...
But none of them want to lend the Cubans money either. They've already burned just about everyone. The US should lift the embargo just so the Cubans can stop using it as an excuse.
"Free Speech" zones away from public political events
Free speech doesn't come with a soap box. It also doesn't come with a mic or loud speaker. If you don't like it, start your own political party and have your own public political events. And be sure to have open mic night. Invite all the crazies in and give them all equal voice. It'll probably be a hoot.
The forbidding of display of opinion within certain distance of funerals
I'm okay with this. Funerals are generally a private function and there are too many idiots who want to use a strangers death to advance their petty causes.
I'm also okay with felons not being legally allowed to own a gun, if that is who you are talking about. This is slashdot, you don't need to be coy. Just state your paranoia in black and white, most of the people here will agree with you.
free speech is not free; freedom of religion is not freedom
Can you be specific? Are you a scientologist oppressed by the annonymous crowd?
the explicit right to keep and bear arms is no right
We have yet to lose this right. Even the ban in DC was struck down. I doubt the supremes will reverse the decision.
the freedom from incriminating one's self has become the freedom to be tortured until you speak the desired confession
I'm never going to shed tears for SKM and his brethren and don't even try to extend my rights to those murderous thugs, who don't wear uniforms, don't follow any rules themselves and would not hesitate to burn our constitutional democratic republic to the ground.
enforcement of the prohibition against being deprived of property without due process is only a dim memory
This is the only one you got right. This is because the people have never understood what the 3rd ammendment is about. The right to not have troops quartered in your house is no right at all when the spot where your house used to be is now underneath parking lot C of the local privately owned sports team's shiny new stadium. That's not 'fascism'. That's just 'people are stupid'. Including people in Government who should know better. It's the 3rd ammendment, people. The bronze, but still on the podium. The 4th is just more restrictions placed on top of the 3rd.
The Government cannot put troops in your house except in war and only then, if they pay you. It should obviously prevent the government from taking your house (except maybe in time of war, and then only if they pay you).
If they gut the 2nd, I'm moving to Papua New Guinea and live with the Mek (and I'm taking my guns).
Apparently his proof was published last September. It's "news" because it's just now hitting the semi-mainstream press. You people fail at nerddom.
No, they're just applying the normal slashdot skepticism. The guy was a security guard for crying out loud. And he's old. Really old. No way he could have used his brain to solve something involving math. Besides, he's probably only trying to get seed money so he can start a pyramid scheme selling perpertual motion.
Nice analogy, and you never once actually used the word 'car'.
I would tend to agree with some of what you are saying, but I stand on the point that OOD does not require an OOL. OOD is a way of thinking about problems. Usually I anthropomorphize whatever piece of a system I am working on, which is a way of objectizing things (isa, hasa, usesa). I do this regardless of the language.
you're regretting the complexity of the problem that has to be solved
I would say that people in general make problems out to be more complex then they really are. OOD is a way of breaking problems down into manageable pieces. Those pieces should be written in the best language available. Sometimes that is C++ but not always. A lot of times it is faster and easier to use C or perl or something else, if you even have a choice in the matter.
I'm not sure what your point is. My point was that aluminum is used in hummers to lower the weight in a way that doesn't sacrifice strength. I'm sure the lower weight probably improves gas mileage.
I'd like to know what your point is, cause I thought you were saying they would have to skimp on safety.
Hummers are made out of aluminum and are quite tough. I drove over the front end of a corvette during my road test in 29 palms and there was only paint damage to the humvee. The corvette was not so lucky and the driver even less so, since it turned out to be his fault.
He got really mad when my friend showed up with a camera but c'est la vie.
The Flaming Thunder compiler is OO, and it's written entirely in assembly language
Never heard of it, but I'll check it out. Whoever came up with the name is a genius. Are the developers from Australia?
The object model comes with overhead. My example of x->work calls y->work calls z->work is something you find in virtually all C++ code. C++ coders don't notice it because to them it is part of the design. Maybe it gets optimized out, but to me it just makes for a lot of grepping to figure out where the bug is.
Rarity alone can not explain this. If the books were ill-regarded and rare, they would not be over $100 for a hardcover. Especially since they are about to be reprinted.
Still, believe what you want.
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If the cost of getting a used paperback is any metric, Banks is much more regarded then Card, Brin, Simmons and Tepper. I just recently bought some used books from Amazon and the Banks books were much higher priced. Some were above $30. None of the ones I bought were more then $4 with shipping.
C++ is the one language to rule them all? OO is the only design method that can solve problems?
The first C++ compilers were written in C. Do you honestly think they didn't use OO to design those first compilers and IDEs? As far as using a non-OO language in an OO design being dubious, then you must only have experience with small applications. Some of the stuff I've worked on were too big for a single system. Some of it is connected by gasp a network. Doesn't matter to my code if it is C++, Perl, Pascal, Java or MsPacMan, they all understand TCP so what do I care.
Of course that is true, so long as you keep the scope of "anything" to be "can be computed"
What exactly are you doing with OO and C++? Stuff that can't be computed?!? Good luck wit dat...
Redesigning it properly in OO makes all the difference in the world
I think anything you can do in C++ can also be done in C and I know that anything you do in C++ can be done with less overhead using C. C++ comes with a lot of overhead.
Don't get me wrong, objects are a great abstraction, but that's all they are. They make pretty diagrams, but after you make your design, you should use the best language to do each part.
I do a lot of low level work so C++ is usually not an option.
Do you know how long it takes to become truly proficient in C++ and OOP?
I'm guessing somewhere between a long time and never.
To me, C++ has always been C with more rope to hang yourself. You can still hang yourself in C, but C++ just makes it that much easier. Most of the C++ code I see is a mess. The OOP designs are things of beauty and breaking things into objects makes integration easier, but maintenance is a pain. Usually it takes a long time to trace where the work is being done, where it's all just x->theWork() which calls y->doTheWork() which calls z->reallyReallyDoTheWork(), only they're all called work() which means you have to go find out what type x is to find out what type y is to find out what type z is and then make sure that x is really type x and not some parent type and y is really type y and z is really type z. I was an early advocate for C++ but have since turned indifferent.
If you are just the curious type, I would suggest PHP. It is very easy to pick up and has some very cool features. You can install LAMP in a few minutes and you don't need to wait 30 minutes for something to compile.
If you are looking for job security, I would suggest that a new language may not be your best bet. It maybe better to learn to program in a new environment. If you have Windows application exp, try doing a Linux app. If you have Linux application exp, try doing some kernel mods (seriously, it's fun). If you gots both app and kernel exp on Linux, try something new like the iPhone or Android.
I did RTVFLA. It used single points of data from various polls. This poll had this question and 55% said yes and this other poll asked another question and 60% said no. Poll numbers change over time and the mob is a fickle bunch that can turn on a dime.
Americans are more concerned about the economy, at this point in time. I don't have to take a poll to know this. Just like I don't have to take a poll to know that Britney Spears and Nascar are still much more interesting to the average American then any supposed loss of rights.
If you want to argue that more Americans should be concerned, that's a different argument.
"In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team."
When our government is changed to function by polling the mob, then maybe polls will mean something.
Polls can be useful, but like lie detectors and other soft sciences they can be manipulated or produce bogus results. The 60% of Americans that disapprove of the Presidents handling of the war includes peaceniks and people who think Iraq should be radioactive glass. I don't see these polls breaking down the reason why people disapprove.
Same thing for Congress. They are polling below the Presidents approval. Does that mean the country is turning to the right? No, because that number includes the people who think GWB and DC should be impeached.
People who appeal to polls should also remember that for some time the support was polling over 50% in support of the war.
Those Generals are still subject to the chain of command. There are other avenues for them to express their views. They can contact their congress people and because of their rank they will get thru. They can also be called to testify.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but in the military your rights are subject to a seperate law then a private citizen.
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The difference between a cult and a religion is that you can vountarily leave a religion. Islam, Co$, moonies, etc are cults because you can not freely choose to leave them. Leaving Islam makes you fair game to Muslims. Leaving Co$ makes you fair game to the Co$.
The important thing is how did they score on the ACID2 test? Do they handle XSS correctly or not at all? I want my happy face with the blinky nose, not security.
Only on slashdot is the truth considered flamebait...
But none of them want to lend the Cubans money either. They've already burned just about everyone. The US should lift the embargo just so the Cubans can stop using it as an excuse.
"Free Speech" zones away from public political events
Free speech doesn't come with a soap box. It also doesn't come with a mic or loud speaker. If you don't like it, start your own political party and have your own public political events. And be sure to have open mic night. Invite all the crazies in and give them all equal voice. It'll probably be a hoot.
The forbidding of display of opinion within certain distance of funerals
I'm okay with this. Funerals are generally a private function and there are too many idiots who want to use a strangers death to advance their petty causes.
I'm also okay with felons not being legally allowed to own a gun, if that is who you are talking about. This is slashdot, you don't need to be coy. Just state your paranoia in black and white, most of the people here will agree with you.
It was the same conversation in the 90s only the labels were reversed.
You still don't know the name of my favorite pet. If that ever gets out, I'm toast.
They're the only compelling argument for lifting the monopoly label.
free speech is not free; freedom of religion is not freedom
Can you be specific? Are you a scientologist oppressed by the annonymous crowd?
the explicit right to keep and bear arms is no right
We have yet to lose this right. Even the ban in DC was struck down. I doubt the supremes will reverse the decision.
the freedom from incriminating one's self has become the freedom to be tortured until you speak the desired confession
I'm never going to shed tears for SKM and his brethren and don't even try to extend my rights to those murderous thugs, who don't wear uniforms, don't follow any rules themselves and would not hesitate to burn our constitutional democratic republic to the ground.
enforcement of the prohibition against being deprived of property without due process is only a dim memory
This is the only one you got right. This is because the people have never understood what the 3rd ammendment is about. The right to not have troops quartered in your house is no right at all when the spot where your house used to be is now underneath parking lot C of the local privately owned sports team's shiny new stadium. That's not 'fascism'. That's just 'people are stupid'. Including people in Government who should know better. It's the 3rd ammendment, people. The bronze, but still on the podium. The 4th is just more restrictions placed on top of the 3rd.
The Government cannot put troops in your house except in war and only then, if they pay you. It should obviously prevent the government from taking your house (except maybe in time of war, and then only if they pay you).
If they gut the 2nd, I'm moving to Papua New Guinea and live with the Mek (and I'm taking my guns).
Apparently his proof was published last September. It's "news" because it's just now hitting the semi-mainstream press. You people fail at nerddom.
No, they're just applying the normal slashdot skepticism. The guy was a security guard for crying out loud. And he's old. Really old. No way he could have used his brain to solve something involving math. Besides, he's probably only trying to get seed money so he can start a pyramid scheme selling perpertual motion.
Or he could just call tech support or send an email or maybe google it.
At some point you have to face Aspergers head on.
Nice analogy, and you never once actually used the word 'car'.
I would tend to agree with some of what you are saying, but I stand on the point that OOD does not require an OOL. OOD is a way of thinking about problems. Usually I anthropomorphize whatever piece of a system I am working on, which is a way of objectizing things (isa, hasa, usesa). I do this regardless of the language.
you're regretting the complexity of the problem that has to be solved
I would say that people in general make problems out to be more complex then they really are. OOD is a way of breaking problems down into manageable pieces. Those pieces should be written in the best language available. Sometimes that is C++ but not always. A lot of times it is faster and easier to use C or perl or something else, if you even have a choice in the matter.
I'm not sure what your point is. My point was that aluminum is used in hummers to lower the weight in a way that doesn't sacrifice strength. I'm sure the lower weight probably improves gas mileage.
I'd like to know what your point is, cause I thought you were saying they would have to skimp on safety.
Hummers are made out of aluminum and are quite tough. I drove over the front end of a corvette during my road test in 29 palms and there was only paint damage to the humvee. The corvette was not so lucky and the driver even less so, since it turned out to be his fault.
He got really mad when my friend showed up with a camera but c'est la vie.
The Flaming Thunder compiler is OO, and it's written entirely in assembly language Never heard of it, but I'll check it out. Whoever came up with the name is a genius. Are the developers from Australia?
The object model comes with overhead. My example of x->work calls y->work calls z->work is something you find in virtually all C++ code. C++ coders don't notice it because to them it is part of the design. Maybe it gets optimized out, but to me it just makes for a lot of grepping to figure out where the bug is.
Rarity alone can not explain this. If the books were ill-regarded and rare, they would not be over $100 for a hardcover. Especially since they are about to be reprinted.
Still, believe what you want.
If the cost of getting a used paperback is any metric, Banks is much more regarded then Card, Brin, Simmons and Tepper. I just recently bought some used books from Amazon and the Banks books were much higher priced. Some were above $30. None of the ones I bought were more then $4 with shipping.
C++ is the one language to rule them all? OO is the only design method that can solve problems?
The first C++ compilers were written in C. Do you honestly think they didn't use OO to design those first compilers and IDEs? As far as using a non-OO language in an OO design being dubious, then you must only have experience with small applications. Some of the stuff I've worked on were too big for a single system. Some of it is connected by gasp a network. Doesn't matter to my code if it is C++, Perl, Pascal, Java or MsPacMan, they all understand TCP so what do I care.
Of course that is true, so long as you keep the scope of "anything" to be "can be computed"
What exactly are you doing with OO and C++? Stuff that can't be computed?!? Good luck wit dat...
Redesigning it properly in OO makes all the difference in the world
I think anything you can do in C++ can also be done in C and I know that anything you do in C++ can be done with less overhead using C. C++ comes with a lot of overhead.
Don't get me wrong, objects are a great abstraction, but that's all they are. They make pretty diagrams, but after you make your design, you should use the best language to do each part.
I do a lot of low level work so C++ is usually not an option.
Do you know how long it takes to become truly proficient in C++ and OOP?
I'm guessing somewhere between a long time and never.
To me, C++ has always been C with more rope to hang yourself. You can still hang yourself in C, but C++ just makes it that much easier. Most of the C++ code I see is a mess. The OOP designs are things of beauty and breaking things into objects makes integration easier, but maintenance is a pain. Usually it takes a long time to trace where the work is being done, where it's all just x->theWork() which calls y->doTheWork() which calls z->reallyReallyDoTheWork(), only they're all called work() which means you have to go find out what type x is to find out what type y is to find out what type z is and then make sure that x is really type x and not some parent type and y is really type y and z is really type z. I was an early advocate for C++ but have since turned indifferent.
If you are just the curious type, I would suggest PHP. It is very easy to pick up and has some very cool features. You can install LAMP in a few minutes and you don't need to wait 30 minutes for something to compile.
If you are looking for job security, I would suggest that a new language may not be your best bet. It maybe better to learn to program in a new environment. If you have Windows application exp, try doing a Linux app. If you have Linux application exp, try doing some kernel mods (seriously, it's fun). If you gots both app and kernel exp on Linux, try something new like the iPhone or Android.
I did RTVFLA. It used single points of data from various polls. This poll had this question and 55% said yes and this other poll asked another question and 60% said no. Poll numbers change over time and the mob is a fickle bunch that can turn on a dime.
Americans are more concerned about the economy, at this point in time. I don't have to take a poll to know this. Just like I don't have to take a poll to know that Britney Spears and Nascar are still much more interesting to the average American then any supposed loss of rights.
If you want to argue that more Americans should be concerned, that's a different argument.
"In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team."
Where's B.A. Baracus when you need him...
When our government is changed to function by polling the mob, then maybe polls will mean something.
Polls can be useful, but like lie detectors and other soft sciences they can be manipulated or produce bogus results. The 60% of Americans that disapprove of the Presidents handling of the war includes peaceniks and people who think Iraq should be radioactive glass. I don't see these polls breaking down the reason why people disapprove.
Same thing for Congress. They are polling below the Presidents approval. Does that mean the country is turning to the right? No, because that number includes the people who think GWB and DC should be impeached.
People who appeal to polls should also remember that for some time the support was polling over 50% in support of the war.
And yet that is the way it is.
Those Generals are still subject to the chain of command. There are other avenues for them to express their views. They can contact their congress people and because of their rank they will get thru. They can also be called to testify.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but in the military your rights are subject to a seperate law then a private citizen.
Keep modding me down, it doesn't change facts.