Hah! Your post is distilled naivete, and you call me ignorant?
Poor people *can* afford a lot of shopping. It's called welfare. They can afford to buy more than I can! Two or three shopping carts at a time. I see it every month.
And it's not one hypothetical experience. It's ten years of living in the city, once a month. I've spent hours upon hours watching these people. Nothing hypothetical about it. These people are poor, and I promise you - they are dyed-in-the-wool morons.
I just wanted to say that your post - the entire thing - should be carved into the side of a fifty foot granite obelisk and placed directly in the middle of town. And lit with spotlights and have an eternal flame burning in front of it. It's that good.
An entire society of people with plenty to offer completely hamstrung by their own decadent culture that promotes ignorance over knowledge, laziness over work, and victimization over self-reliance.
I may have preconceptions but I don't have ignorance. I have experience.
Come to my neighborhood around the first of the month and we'll go shopping together. You will also notice a curious statistical anomaly. Poor and dumb are in fact very strongly correlated.
And please note that I have not said anything about race. Just "poor" and "dumb".
Real hardware can hold more states than a purely digital system.
I remember reading a paper (can't find it now though - darn it) about a guy who was doing neural net research with Xilinx chips. Same idea. Whenever an algorithm would do well he'd break it into "genomes" and pair them off with other successful programs.
The board was a bank of Xilinx chips, the genomes were the programming files (basically 1s and 0s fed into the configuration matrix), and the goal was to get the thing to turn on and off when you would speak "on" and "off" into a microphone.
It eventually started working. More interesting than that is what happened when he loaded the program into another board. It didn't work.
It turns out the algorithm had evolved to take advantage of the analog properties of the specific chips in that particular board. The algorithm didn't see the board as a digital thing. It saw it as a collection of opamps, amplifiers, and other analog parts. Move the program to a board that is identical digitally, and it failed because the chips weren't analog exact. You wouldn't have seen that behavior in a purely digital simulation.
Once the vaccine is inside you, it stimulates your immune system into thinking it's been infected by the flu recently. Therefore, your immune system produces antibodies against the virus. These antibodies bind to the virus and target it for destruction. Then, when you actually do come in contact with the real live virus, your body is armed and ready to fight off the illness before it even starts.
So there you go. I'll let you fill in the blanks on why your original post was potent dumb.
And as for your straw man:
You want to prove to me that swine flu is worse than regular flu?
All that says is that you didn't RTFA. Hell, you didn't even read TFS:
Forty-three children have died from swine flu since August 30 — about the same number that usually die in an entire flu season.' These are very sobering statistics,' says Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases
For Christ's sake! It's the second fucking sentence of the summary.
That may be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Slashdot ever. Seriously. Wow. Let's break it down line by line.
You quote someone who has absolutely no clue. "I'd like the flu please! If I get an immunity to swine flu I want to suffer through the illness rather than get a shot. I want to work for it and maybe die! Or at the very least spread it around some so others can share in my joy."
Then, you use Maddox as a reference.
Finally, you wrap up by saying that you need to have a "basic concept of immunology" to comprehend your brilliance! And you top it off with a flourish by preemptively yelling at the mods.
Oh, I'm sure of it. But I don't care who writes the thing. I want to read it.
And to modify my above edict - whoever posts it may cross out contact info. Like his phone number and email. I don't want this to turn into a harassment campaign by accident.
I just want to see how he spins this whole thing. It is guaranteed to be one of the most surreal reads ever.
Exactly my point - no project is immune to going bad like that. Open source is not an automatic fix. That's all I was saying. The article said it is always better, and I disagree. It is usually better. Not always. XFree86 is a good example of an OS project with problems. And I could list a host of closed projects that are wonderful, as could anyone here.
And yeah there are ways around problems too, both open and closed. Open and you can fork the project like Xorg. Closed and you can sell the project to someone else and have them see if they're a better pilot.
All I'm saying is that people should enter into OS with the correct notions. It's not an automatic fix or magic bullet. If people think "hey I'll just open source my project and it will all be better" they'll be disappointed. I'd like to not see that happen. I'd like OS to maintain a good reputation. People need to know you still have to have good management and organization and conflict resolution or you'll be trading one set of disappointments for another.
That idea is also increasingly accepted by hard-headed business people: it's become self-evident that it's^H^H^H^Hit can be a better way.
It can be a better way. It often *is* a better way. But it is not automatically a better way. A lot of it depends on project organization and leadership. Just like other non-OS projects.
Remember the great XFree86 wars and all the infighting? And the massive Xorg fork that was needed to get past all that? I'd say that XFree86 is an example of a OS project with serious problems. Xorg was needed to route around them.
So I'd say give OS a chance, but don't expect it to be a magic panacea. You still need to handle personality conflicts, code conflicts, and you still need someone at the helm that has a good sense of direction and good conflict resolution skills.
Once your machine is compromised whatever you do with it is never secure. All someone has to do is install something like VNC and watch you log in. Copy your keys, snoop your keyboard, record mouse clicks, whatever. Two factor authentication won't help at that point.
This secure CD idea is probably more effective advice.
...if you're not getting shot at, you're not doing your job right."
Seriously, I think it's great that the RIAA has decided that Mr. Beckerman is enough of a threat to where he needs to be silenced. Don't you? That means he's on to something. He's hit them in a sensitive spot. The enemy has let us know that something has hurt them. And that something is exposure and scrutiny. Enough of that and one day their racket will be over. That's what they fear. The Truth. They know it, and now we know it.
Easy friend, we're more alike than different. Decade of IT here too, also an EE.
I know we all have limitations. But sometimes your limitations don't match well to a particular career. There's a good reason there is an eye exam to be a pilot. Likewise, if you're making tech decisions for people...well, you know what I'm getting at.
I'm not as bitter as I sound. Mostly I find this sort of stuff amusing. Like life is a gigantic Dilbert comic.
Really it's all a testament to how well human society is designed. We can have idiots for doctors, lawyers, supervisors, pilots, patent clerks, and even the occasional president and somehow it's all still there in the morning.
Well honestly I don't know what their area of expertise was. I just ran cable for them. We didn't talk much about what they did. We just talked about what I did.
But I do know this.
You should have the minimal critical thinking skills to figure out if your PC is missing if you're in any tech related field at all.
I picture these sorts of people at home, preparing for their day. They place toast in the toaster. It doesn't toast! So...they wait. And wait and wait. Never noticing that the toaster is not plugged in. So they eat the bread and head out to their car.
Car doesn't work! Damn. Have to take a taxi again. It's because their keys weren't in the ignition. Again. But they don't know that.
So they head to the ATM to get cash for a taxi. No money! It's because they didn't put the card in the machine before punching in their PIN.
It's going to be another long walk to the office again today. And it's raining. And my umbrella still won't open! Because they didn't press the catch, of course, but they don't know that.
And so on.
More than a few years in IT and you'll be this cynical too, I assure you. I'm glad I got out of the business when I graduated. It was making me afraid to leave the house.
Yup, it's true. I did IT work for a group of them back when I was in college. I was "team one", and they had some other guys who were "team two". We helped them in shifts.
One day I got a phone call.
It was one of the lawyers. He couldn't log on. "The box under my computer is missing."
Ah, I think. Those wily rascals in Team 2 snagged his UPS or his power strip and didn't replace it. No biggie. I'll buy a power strip and scoot on over.
I look under his desk.
His PC is missing.
The cords to his monitor, mouse, and keyboard were dangling in space and he sat there typing away wondering why he couldn't "log on".
I apologize for the nightmares, heebie-jeebies, and general loss of sleep you'll have from my story. Yes folks, these are the people in charge of our livelihood.
I know I know, it's Slashdot and we don't do that here. But if you had...
A clinical trial testing metformin alone in early-stage breast-cancer patients, after they have had surgery and chemotherapy to treat their tumors, is being sponsored by the National Cancer Institute of Canada and could begin enrolling patients next year, said Jennifer Ligibel, a breast-cancer doctor at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston. The idea is to see if metformin is effective in preventing the cancer from recurring. U.S. cancer researchers are participating.
And...
In the report, being published in the Oct. 1 edition of Cancer Research, a journal of the American Association for Cancer Research, researchers said the combination of metformin and doxorubicin killed both regular cancer cells and cancer stem cells.
In contrast, doxorubicin alone had limited effect on the stem cells.
And...
Several recent studies have observed the drug's potential effects against cancer.
One study from M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, for instance, found that diabetic patients treated with metformin were less likely to develop pancreatic cancer than those who weren't taking the drug for blood sugar.
So to summarize, they're already past the mouse studies. They're moving to humans within the year. And we already have studies that noted that human patients who take the drug have lower incidence of cancer.
It really does look like a fairly promising thing.
Totally off topic, I apologize. But I'm a Dune nut so I have to. It's in my contract.
Mind you heart plugs always seemed a bit of a silly idea to me. If you wanted to off your slaves for disobedience, why not just shoot them?
First thing - they weren't in the books. Frank didn't put them there, Hollywood did.
Second thing - the Harkonnens aren't worried so much about discipline. They enjoy cruelty, and that's a huge difference. For instance, when Rabban sabotages Dr. Kynes suit and leaves him to die in the desert atop a spice blow. Sure, a bullet would end it right now. But he wouldn't suffer, would he? Where is the fun in that? So from that point of view the heart plug makes sense. Walking around all the time knowing there is a valve on your chest that someone could tug out and end your life, just for the fun of watching you die? Yeah, that would fit with their MO.
When you're an entire race of sadists, the whole discipline thing sort of comes out in the wash. Slaves cringe when they appear and do their very best to not be noticed at all. Disobedience? That will net you a horrific humiliating death. Best to keep your head down and do as you're told.
The Florida Supreme Court already did. He's pretty harmless these days. All he can do now are "give me attention" tricks. Like this Facebook thing. Anyone with a half an ounce of sense knows it's not going anywhere. He's more like a Jack Thompson caricature these days.
As for me, I think these little public humiliations he sets himself up for are endlessly entertaining. It's fascinating to know that this guy was a lawyer at one time when he obviously knows very very little about what's legal and what isn't.
What the hell, just for comedy's sake I'll give it another shot too.
First, I'd like to remind you of your original claim:
"A Prius can neither go 55 on electric only, not go cross-country on electric. On any significant trip, the electrics are doing nothing for you but weighing you down." - on Sunday September 13, @10:23AM
To dispel any counterarguments up-front, I'd like to say that yes, I know they're plugging it in. Yes, I know that where the additional power is coming from. Yes, I know all that. Yes, efficiency. Yes, it's not a fair test. Yes, yes, yes.
But. What I want to ask you is this.
If as you claim, the Prius can not do 55 on the electric system alone, and the battery/electric portion of the drive train is useless at freeway speeds...then why does the MPG jump to 150 with better batteries? By your claim they are disconnected at freeway speeds. How can these fine folks be getting 150MPG "under normal driving conditions" if these components are non-functional on the freeway as you claim?
Again, stay focused. Don't complain that they are using different batteries. Your claim was that the system is disconnected at freeway speeds. If it's disconnected it shouldn't matter if it has the original batteries, or lithium ion plug ins, or a Mr. Fusion.
And again, I don't care what the efficiency is. I've already explained that. 65% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Besides all you did - again - was spout numbers. You didn't say those numbers came from that were used to derive your 65% value.
It's also worth mentioning that those numbers - 80/90/80 are like everything else you've posted. Gut feeling numbers with no reference. This is the third time I've brought that up. Numbers of no provenance, pulled from the aether. They are meaningless unless you can back them up.
My calculations show the Prius battery to hold 1.6 horsepower-hours. (Here is where I'm getting that value. Link1.Link2. See how easy that was? Try it sometime.) But again you fail to understand how it all works. The gas motor runs at a peak on a bell curve for efficiency regardless of road conditions. Cars without the CVT cannot do this. Since we're producing more horsepower at RPMs that are usually above and beyond the road conditions, they are stored. At whatever the efficiency happens to actually be. In deference to your inability to connect the dots, that makes them essentially free. A normal car would be running at a non-optimal rpm and simply discarding that gasoline's potential. The Prius does not.
And again (and again and again...), the battery never completely discharges or completely charges up. It's not like you can take that 1.6 horsepower/hour and use it exclusively. Both the electric motor and the gas motor can contribute to the drive train at the same time. Think of the battery as a short term buffer for energy, like a wound spring. Stop thinking of it as a fuel tank - it is not. That is what is getting you confused, I think. Either that or you've missed your meds.
Enuf trying to educate people that don't want to learn.
We are finally in agreement. I give up.
And be sure to transmit a copy of your resume to Toyota. They would probably pay you a cool million a year, what with your being smarter than their entire research division. They could fire them all and you could pull numbers out of space for them so they wouldn't make any more obvious mistakes. That would be awesome.
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Hah! Your post is distilled naivete, and you call me ignorant?
Poor people *can* afford a lot of shopping. It's called welfare. They can afford to buy more than I can! Two or three shopping carts at a time. I see it every month.
And it's not one hypothetical experience. It's ten years of living in the city, once a month. I've spent hours upon hours watching these people. Nothing hypothetical about it. These people are poor, and I promise you - they are dyed-in-the-wool morons.
I just wanted to say that your post - the entire thing - should be carved into the side of a fifty foot granite obelisk and placed directly in the middle of town. And lit with spotlights and have an eternal flame burning in front of it. It's that good.
An entire society of people with plenty to offer completely hamstrung by their own decadent culture that promotes ignorance over knowledge, laziness over work, and victimization over self-reliance.
It's tragic.
I may have preconceptions but I don't have ignorance. I have experience.
Come to my neighborhood around the first of the month and we'll go shopping together. You will also notice a curious statistical anomaly. Poor and dumb are in fact very strongly correlated.
And please note that I have not said anything about race. Just "poor" and "dumb".
Which is the cart, and which is the horse? Being dumb, or being poor?
Real hardware can hold more states than a purely digital system.
I remember reading a paper (can't find it now though - darn it) about a guy who was doing neural net research with Xilinx chips. Same idea. Whenever an algorithm would do well he'd break it into "genomes" and pair them off with other successful programs.
The board was a bank of Xilinx chips, the genomes were the programming files (basically 1s and 0s fed into the configuration matrix), and the goal was to get the thing to turn on and off when you would speak "on" and "off" into a microphone.
It eventually started working. More interesting than that is what happened when he loaded the program into another board. It didn't work.
It turns out the algorithm had evolved to take advantage of the analog properties of the specific chips in that particular board. The algorithm didn't see the board as a digital thing. It saw it as a collection of opamps, amplifiers, and other analog parts. Move the program to a board that is identical digitally, and it failed because the chips weren't analog exact. You wouldn't have seen that behavior in a purely digital simulation.
Straw man. I didn't say swine flu was worse.
I do claim that you apparently have no idea how a flu vaccine works.
Here, read this.
Once the vaccine is inside you, it stimulates your immune system into thinking it's been infected by the flu recently. Therefore, your immune system produces antibodies against the virus. These antibodies bind to the virus and target it for destruction. Then, when you actually do come in contact with the real live virus, your body is armed and ready to fight off the illness before it even starts.
So there you go. I'll let you fill in the blanks on why your original post was potent dumb.
And as for your straw man:
You want to prove to me that swine flu is worse than regular flu?
All that says is that you didn't RTFA. Hell, you didn't even read TFS:
Forty-three children have died from swine flu since August 30 — about the same number that usually die in an entire flu season.' These are very sobering statistics,' says Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases
For Christ's sake! It's the second fucking sentence of the summary.
If you're a med student and you need to have someone explain to you how a flu vaccine works - do us all a favor and switch majors.
That may be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Slashdot ever. Seriously. Wow. Let's break it down line by line.
You quote someone who has absolutely no clue. "I'd like the flu please! If I get an immunity to swine flu I want to suffer through the illness rather than get a shot. I want to work for it and maybe die! Or at the very least spread it around some so others can share in my joy."
Then, you use Maddox as a reference.
Finally, you wrap up by saying that you need to have a "basic concept of immunology" to comprehend your brilliance! And you top it off with a flourish by preemptively yelling at the mods.
Jesus. Wow.
Oh, I'm sure of it. But I don't care who writes the thing. I want to read it.
And to modify my above edict - whoever posts it may cross out contact info. Like his phone number and email. I don't want this to turn into a harassment campaign by accident.
I just want to see how he spins this whole thing. It is guaranteed to be one of the most surreal reads ever.
If anyone, and I mean anyone gets a copy of his resume sent to their HR department...they must post it.
I apologize for the brusque tone, but this is not optional - you have to do it. In it's entirety, unedited.
I'll bet it reads like Kim Jong Il wrote it.
Exactly my point - no project is immune to going bad like that. Open source is not an automatic fix. That's all I was saying. The article said it is always better, and I disagree. It is usually better. Not always. XFree86 is a good example of an OS project with problems. And I could list a host of closed projects that are wonderful, as could anyone here.
And yeah there are ways around problems too, both open and closed. Open and you can fork the project like Xorg. Closed and you can sell the project to someone else and have them see if they're a better pilot.
All I'm saying is that people should enter into OS with the correct notions. It's not an automatic fix or magic bullet. If people think "hey I'll just open source my project and it will all be better" they'll be disappointed. I'd like to not see that happen. I'd like OS to maintain a good reputation. People need to know you still have to have good management and organization and conflict resolution or you'll be trading one set of disappointments for another.
That idea is also increasingly accepted by hard-headed business people: it's become self-evident that it's^H^H^H^Hit can be a better way.
It can be a better way. It often *is* a better way. But it is not automatically a better way. A lot of it depends on project organization and leadership. Just like other non-OS projects.
Remember the great XFree86 wars and all the infighting? And the massive Xorg fork that was needed to get past all that? I'd say that XFree86 is an example of a OS project with serious problems. Xorg was needed to route around them.
So I'd say give OS a chance, but don't expect it to be a magic panacea. You still need to handle personality conflicts, code conflicts, and you still need someone at the helm that has a good sense of direction and good conflict resolution skills.
Once your machine is compromised whatever you do with it is never secure. All someone has to do is install something like VNC and watch you log in. Copy your keys, snoop your keyboard, record mouse clicks, whatever. Two factor authentication won't help at that point.
This secure CD idea is probably more effective advice.
...if you're not getting shot at, you're not doing your job right."
Seriously, I think it's great that the RIAA has decided that Mr. Beckerman is enough of a threat to where he needs to be silenced. Don't you? That means he's on to something. He's hit them in a sensitive spot. The enemy has let us know that something has hurt them. And that something is exposure and scrutiny. Enough of that and one day their racket will be over. That's what they fear. The Truth. They know it, and now we know it.
So keep it up NYCL! We're all rooting for you!
...are a steely eyed missile man.
Brilliant. That is exactly the right way to handle that. *applause*
Easy friend, we're more alike than different. Decade of IT here too, also an EE.
I know we all have limitations. But sometimes your limitations don't match well to a particular career. There's a good reason there is an eye exam to be a pilot. Likewise, if you're making tech decisions for people...well, you know what I'm getting at.
I'm not as bitter as I sound. Mostly I find this sort of stuff amusing. Like life is a gigantic Dilbert comic.
Really it's all a testament to how well human society is designed. We can have idiots for doctors, lawyers, supervisors, pilots, patent clerks, and even the occasional president and somehow it's all still there in the morning.
Well honestly I don't know what their area of expertise was. I just ran cable for them. We didn't talk much about what they did. We just talked about what I did.
But I do know this.
You should have the minimal critical thinking skills to figure out if your PC is missing if you're in any tech related field at all.
I picture these sorts of people at home, preparing for their day. They place toast in the toaster. It doesn't toast! So...they wait. And wait and wait. Never noticing that the toaster is not plugged in. So they eat the bread and head out to their car.
Car doesn't work! Damn. Have to take a taxi again. It's because their keys weren't in the ignition. Again. But they don't know that.
So they head to the ATM to get cash for a taxi. No money! It's because they didn't put the card in the machine before punching in their PIN.
It's going to be another long walk to the office again today. And it's raining. And my umbrella still won't open! Because they didn't press the catch, of course, but they don't know that.
And so on.
More than a few years in IT and you'll be this cynical too, I assure you. I'm glad I got out of the business when I graduated. It was making me afraid to leave the house.
Yup, it's true. I did IT work for a group of them back when I was in college. I was "team one", and they had some other guys who were "team two". We helped them in shifts.
One day I got a phone call.
It was one of the lawyers. He couldn't log on. "The box under my computer is missing."
Ah, I think. Those wily rascals in Team 2 snagged his UPS or his power strip and didn't replace it. No biggie. I'll buy a power strip and scoot on over.
I look under his desk.
His PC is missing.
The cords to his monitor, mouse, and keyboard were dangling in space and he sat there typing away wondering why he couldn't "log on".
I apologize for the nightmares, heebie-jeebies, and general loss of sleep you'll have from my story. Yes folks, these are the people in charge of our livelihood.
We're screwed.
I know I know, it's Slashdot and we don't do that here. But if you had...
A clinical trial testing metformin alone in early-stage breast-cancer patients, after they have had surgery and chemotherapy to treat their tumors, is being sponsored by the National Cancer Institute of Canada and could begin enrolling patients next year, said Jennifer Ligibel, a breast-cancer doctor at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston. The idea is to see if metformin is effective in preventing the cancer from recurring. U.S. cancer researchers are participating.
And...
In the report, being published in the Oct. 1 edition of Cancer Research, a journal of the American Association for Cancer Research, researchers said the combination of metformin and doxorubicin killed both regular cancer cells and cancer stem cells.
In contrast, doxorubicin alone had limited effect on the stem cells.
And...
Several recent studies have observed the drug's potential effects against cancer.
One study from M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, for instance, found that diabetic patients treated with metformin were less likely to develop pancreatic cancer than those who weren't taking the drug for blood sugar.
So to summarize, they're already past the mouse studies. They're moving to humans within the year. And we already have studies that noted that human patients who take the drug have lower incidence of cancer.
It really does look like a fairly promising thing.
Totally off topic, I apologize. But I'm a Dune nut so I have to. It's in my contract.
Mind you heart plugs always seemed a bit of a silly idea to me. If you wanted to off your slaves for disobedience, why not just shoot them?
First thing - they weren't in the books. Frank didn't put them there, Hollywood did.
Second thing - the Harkonnens aren't worried so much about discipline. They enjoy cruelty, and that's a huge difference. For instance, when Rabban sabotages Dr. Kynes suit and leaves him to die in the desert atop a spice blow. Sure, a bullet would end it right now. But he wouldn't suffer, would he? Where is the fun in that? So from that point of view the heart plug makes sense. Walking around all the time knowing there is a valve on your chest that someone could tug out and end your life, just for the fun of watching you die? Yeah, that would fit with their MO.
When you're an entire race of sadists, the whole discipline thing sort of comes out in the wash. Slaves cringe when they appear and do their very best to not be noticed at all. Disobedience? That will net you a horrific humiliating death. Best to keep your head down and do as you're told.
The Florida Supreme Court already did. He's pretty harmless these days. All he can do now are "give me attention" tricks. Like this Facebook thing. Anyone with a half an ounce of sense knows it's not going anywhere. He's more like a Jack Thompson caricature these days.
As for me, I think these little public humiliations he sets himself up for are endlessly entertaining. It's fascinating to know that this guy was a lawyer at one time when he obviously knows very very little about what's legal and what isn't.
...what you'd find on the main hard disc with a sector editor. THEN bid.
Fine, we're done.
Two things though.
1) You got distracted and said exactly what I said you would.
2) You still can't explain how an unconnected battery improves MPG.
Good day, crackhead.
What the hell, just for comedy's sake I'll give it another shot too.
First, I'd like to remind you of your original claim:
"A Prius can neither go 55 on electric only, not go cross-country on electric. On any significant trip, the electrics are doing nothing for you but weighing you down." - on Sunday September 13, @10:23AM
Ok, now stay focused and try to read this.
To dispel any counterarguments up-front, I'd like to say that yes, I know they're plugging it in. Yes, I know that where the additional power is coming from. Yes, I know all that. Yes, efficiency. Yes, it's not a fair test. Yes, yes, yes.
But. What I want to ask you is this.
If as you claim, the Prius can not do 55 on the electric system alone, and the battery/electric portion of the drive train is useless at freeway speeds...then why does the MPG jump to 150 with better batteries? By your claim they are disconnected at freeway speeds. How can these fine folks be getting 150MPG "under normal driving conditions" if these components are non-functional on the freeway as you claim?
Again, stay focused. Don't complain that they are using different batteries. Your claim was that the system is disconnected at freeway speeds. If it's disconnected it shouldn't matter if it has the original batteries, or lithium ion plug ins, or a Mr. Fusion.
I await your answer with baited breath.
And again, I don't care what the efficiency is. I've already explained that. 65% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Besides all you did - again - was spout numbers. You didn't say those numbers came from that were used to derive your 65% value.
It's also worth mentioning that those numbers - 80/90/80 are like everything else you've posted. Gut feeling numbers with no reference. This is the third time I've brought that up. Numbers of no provenance, pulled from the aether. They are meaningless unless you can back them up.
My calculations show the Prius battery to hold 1.6 horsepower-hours. (Here is where I'm getting that value. Link1. Link2. See how easy that was? Try it sometime.) But again you fail to understand how it all works. The gas motor runs at a peak on a bell curve for efficiency regardless of road conditions. Cars without the CVT cannot do this. Since we're producing more horsepower at RPMs that are usually above and beyond the road conditions, they are stored. At whatever the efficiency happens to actually be. In deference to your inability to connect the dots, that makes them essentially free. A normal car would be running at a non-optimal rpm and simply discarding that gasoline's potential. The Prius does not.
And again (and again and again...), the battery never completely discharges or completely charges up. It's not like you can take that 1.6 horsepower/hour and use it exclusively. Both the electric motor and the gas motor can contribute to the drive train at the same time. Think of the battery as a short term buffer for energy, like a wound spring. Stop thinking of it as a fuel tank - it is not. That is what is getting you confused, I think. Either that or you've missed your meds.
Enuf trying to educate people that don't want to learn.
We are finally in agreement. I give up.
And be sure to transmit a copy of your resume to Toyota. They would probably pay you a cool million a year, what with your being smarter than their entire research division. They could fire them all and you could pull numbers out of space for them so they wouldn't make any more obvious mistakes. That would be awesome.