Quantity is irrelevant. If you're gonna provide internet service, provide internet service. if you're gonna provide internet access, at least be straight about what it is.
I agree with you to a point...though until dual is the rule, most software won't be multiheaded. If it were, I have a feeling people would see a lot more software utilize it.
eh, its not our fault you're a bastard. Is it so much to ask that CPU makers put decent cache on chips, and that multi-processor be standard? Apple has been doing it for years, with much success. Intel proved in '97 or so that a 1MB on-chip cache was feasable with its Pentium Pro 200 1MB Cache chip. It is utterly unreasonable to think that it is any more difficult to make a chip now with a large cache, in the 8 to 16 MB range, and that more boards be dual processor. BeInc had the right idea with their BeBoxes before Apple did, but due to circumstance was utterly smashed by the PC Clone market due to price, not performance. Someone should wake up and realize that rather than putting out chips like the Duron and Celeron they can put the difference in the motherboard by making them single or dual processor.
all I want out of a mobile chip is these three things:
-large cache -customizability of the laptop from non-proprietary vendors -efficiency to allow decent power consumption at a fair clock speed (preferrably user-tweakable on the fly; I don't need 800 MHz if i am typing something in vi or pico).
number 1 has always been an issue for low-end processors like the duron and celeron. Number two is tough, usually reserved for the PCMCIA market when it comes to mobiles. Centrino does nothing for me in this aspect, while the new Athlon M chips allow for it. And number three may exist, I honestly don't know as AMD's site won't load right for me (in windows at work, no less). But I do know that my 400 MHz clocks down to 100 when on battery, and suits me fine for most on the go tasks like typing and excecuting short perl and python scripts. If i could do that with a laptop designed for 1800 mhz designed to battery at ~800 for 2 hours and manually told it to underclock to 200, imagine the improvement in battery time.
no...its duplicitous in that they claim to be an internet service providor. Internet Service is defined as TCP/IP networking with server capability. internet ACCESS is being able to download from servers to view web pages etc.
I can't seem to find a justified reason why once my company were to switch to entirely OpenOffice and free software (bsd-linux-openbe-whatever) for desktops that MS Office docs would be an issue. We could keep an old MS box around for file conversion, but there really wouldn't be that much change. I hear AbiWord does a good job too. I mean, look at the different versions of MS Office and their files...how well do they interop? Why should OpenOffice strive to lower itself to MS's format when they can take their time to raise the bar instead?
i run into the exact opposite problem. I just installed Gentoo 1.4 rc3 on my ThinkPad and finished last night. I have had nothing but smooth sailings. However, two nights ago, my wife installed Woody and it was nothing but errors and issues.
obviously you did not read what I wrote. The demand for CS people is less than it previously was, in the job market. And what demand there is, much of the jobs are being filled in india. So unless you live in bangalore, good luck.
who's lamenting? I don't even want to program as work. Thats what I do to play. Give me a paycheck and tell me what to program, and I wouldn't have nearly the fun I do on my own. I was merely stating that the job market for computer people will not grow like people would like it to. Administrators, technicians, and other support personnel are the future of computer jobs in the states. More and more computer programming jobs are being outsourced to places such as India, including some advanced programming jobs in Microsoft I suspect. It's hard to beat an employee who not only costs less but has a work ethic unfettered by American idealism...
define "next wave". CS requires that people pay for software, and that is not the direction the economy is headed. Sorry, boys. Unless you know something I don't, proprietary software has been opening more and more, except in Microsoft's case. Even they are anticipating losing market share to OSS.
This is one of the hazards of advanced technology. Rather than give people shorter work weeks/days and employing more people, companies are employing fewer people at the same wages to do the work that ten years go took half a dozen if not more people. In the office-bussiness-clerical fields, guess what that means? thats right, scarcely more than 15% of the jobs from 10 years ago are even necessary anymore. So when the economy takes a dive, so does the number of companies needing fewer people each.
i was merely using an example because I personally use Gentoo. Debian is also well suited to it. I just suggest optimization of everything possible on older machines, and especially RAM upgrades if the person using them needs to use large files or multitask.
both options are good. I merely used Gentoo as an example because it is what I personally use. Compiling on a central system is all dependent of course upon how homogenized each system is. If Jimmy Manager has a pentium 233 MMX and Jane Secretary has a pentium 133 without MMX, I cannot use the same optimizing codes in my/etc/make.conf as Jane lacks MMX. So you would have to do it in batches, which is also doable. While it would be good to gradually upgrade a bit (Pentium II systems for example are very inexpensive to get parts for, or even full systems at this point), running an emerge at night wouldn't cause problems, nor would having everyone leave their machine on for a weekend while an emerge runs on a larger program.
Running on 95 at this point is a good example of actually getting use out of your hardware and software. If you don't have an absolute need for the newest, snazziest, fastest machine in the world with the latest and "greatest" (YMMV) operating system and software, then don't bother. Having them consider linux is the best thing they can do, since even if a vendor drops support, updating one's system is free if you do it right. Imagine being an administrator of an all-Gentoo government department...you could easily update everyone from your own desk via terminal emulation, simultaneously from your office, while maintaining that humming little pentium II (if that high) buzzing in the corner as a portage download mirror for speed...
well, thats true. I was thinking more along the lines of the development stuff, though. The GPL stuff isn't bringing money to Troll anyway. I should phrase more carefully.
How is that unfortunate? TrollTech can suck it. If we are going to spread Linux, it's gonna have to be free to get it into business servers licensewise. Otherwise we're a UNIX with no longstanding reputation, which puts us back at square one.
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Gentoo's emerge/portage is better
Quantity is irrelevant. If you're gonna provide internet service, provide internet service. if you're gonna provide internet access, at least be straight about what it is.
I had a feeling that AMD would be the ones to deliver on that
I agree with you to a point...though until dual is the rule, most software won't be multiheaded. If it were, I have a feeling people would see a lot more software utilize it.
I never said 16...all I said was that I don't think it is unreasonable to make 2 the average rather than one.
eh, its not our fault you're a bastard. Is it so much to ask that CPU makers put decent cache on chips, and that multi-processor be standard? Apple has been doing it for years, with much success. Intel proved in '97 or so that a 1MB on-chip cache was feasable with its Pentium Pro 200 1MB Cache chip. It is utterly unreasonable to think that it is any more difficult to make a chip now with a large cache, in the 8 to 16 MB range, and that more boards be dual processor. BeInc had the right idea with their BeBoxes before Apple did, but due to circumstance was utterly smashed by the PC Clone market due to price, not performance. Someone should wake up and realize that rather than putting out chips like the Duron and Celeron they can put the difference in the motherboard by making them single or dual processor.
all I want out of a mobile chip is these three things:
-large cache
-customizability of the laptop from non-proprietary vendors
-efficiency to allow decent power consumption at a fair clock speed (preferrably user-tweakable on the fly; I don't need 800 MHz if i am typing something in vi or pico).
number 1 has always been an issue for low-end processors like the duron and celeron. Number two is tough, usually reserved for the PCMCIA market when it comes to mobiles. Centrino does nothing for me in this aspect, while the new Athlon M chips allow for it. And number three may exist, I honestly don't know as AMD's site won't load right for me (in windows at work, no less). But I do know that my 400 MHz clocks down to 100 when on battery, and suits me fine for most on the go tasks like typing and excecuting short perl and python scripts. If i could do that with a laptop designed for 1800 mhz designed to battery at ~800 for 2 hours and manually told it to underclock to 200, imagine the improvement in battery time.
sounds like a good whore house to me
a TCP/IP book from like 15 years ago. If the internet is to have standards, it should also be consistent about its terminology.
no...its duplicitous in that they claim to be an internet service providor. Internet Service is defined as TCP/IP networking with server capability. internet ACCESS is being able to download from servers to view web pages etc.
I can't seem to find a justified reason why once my company were to switch to entirely OpenOffice and free software (bsd-linux-openbe-whatever) for desktops that MS Office docs would be an issue. We could keep an old MS box around for file conversion, but there really wouldn't be that much change. I hear AbiWord does a good job too. I mean, look at the different versions of MS Office and their files...how well do they interop? Why should OpenOffice strive to lower itself to MS's format when they can take their time to raise the bar instead?
perhaps not, but this'll sure as hell get them around the DMCA for developing that stuff in Europe.
I'm not honestly sure how that was ment, but either way i'm amused as hell ^_^
i run into the exact opposite problem. I just installed Gentoo 1.4 rc3 on my ThinkPad and finished last night. I have had nothing but smooth sailings. However, two nights ago, my wife installed Woody and it was nothing but errors and issues.
that sure as hell doesnt make it right.
it's still going to be proprietary software houses.
yes. in india.
obviously you did not read what I wrote. The demand for CS people is less than it previously was, in the job market. And what demand there is, much of the jobs are being filled in india. So unless you live in bangalore, good luck.
who's lamenting? I don't even want to program as work. Thats what I do to play. Give me a paycheck and tell me what to program, and I wouldn't have nearly the fun I do on my own. I was merely stating that the job market for computer people will not grow like people would like it to. Administrators, technicians, and other support personnel are the future of computer jobs in the states. More and more computer programming jobs are being outsourced to places such as India, including some advanced programming jobs in Microsoft I suspect. It's hard to beat an employee who not only costs less but has a work ethic unfettered by American idealism...
define "next wave". CS requires that people pay for software, and that is not the direction the economy is headed. Sorry, boys. Unless you know something I don't, proprietary software has been opening more and more, except in Microsoft's case. Even they are anticipating losing market share to OSS.
This is one of the hazards of advanced technology. Rather than give people shorter work weeks/days and employing more people, companies are employing fewer people at the same wages to do the work that ten years go took half a dozen if not more people. In the office-bussiness-clerical fields, guess what that means? thats right, scarcely more than 15% of the jobs from 10 years ago are even necessary anymore. So when the economy takes a dive, so does the number of companies needing fewer people each.
very cool...this would be ideal for this application
i was merely using an example because I personally use Gentoo. Debian is also well suited to it. I just suggest optimization of everything possible on older machines, and especially RAM upgrades if the person using them needs to use large files or multitask.
both options are good. I merely used Gentoo as an example because it is what I personally use. Compiling on a central system is all dependent of course upon how homogenized each system is. If Jimmy Manager has a pentium 233 MMX and Jane Secretary has a pentium 133 without MMX, I cannot use the same optimizing codes in my /etc/make.conf as Jane lacks MMX. So you would have to do it in batches, which is also doable. While it would be good to gradually upgrade a bit (Pentium II systems for example are very inexpensive to get parts for, or even full systems at this point), running an emerge at night wouldn't cause problems, nor would having everyone leave their machine on for a weekend while an emerge runs on a larger program.
Running on 95 at this point is a good example of actually getting use out of your hardware and software. If you don't have an absolute need for the newest, snazziest, fastest machine in the world with the latest and "greatest" (YMMV) operating system and software, then don't bother. Having them consider linux is the best thing they can do, since even if a vendor drops support, updating one's system is free if you do it right. Imagine being an administrator of an all-Gentoo government department...you could easily update everyone from your own desk via terminal emulation, simultaneously from your office, while maintaining that humming little pentium II (if that high) buzzing in the corner as a portage download mirror for speed...
ah, a man has gotta have a right to dream, eh?
well, thats true. I was thinking more along the lines of the development stuff, though. The GPL stuff isn't bringing money to Troll anyway. I should phrase more carefully.
How is that unfortunate? TrollTech can suck it. If we are going to spread Linux, it's gonna have to be free to get it into business servers licensewise. Otherwise we're a UNIX with no longstanding reputation, which puts us back at square one.