looking at your post, it seems you agreed with me but not with my phrasing. I'm not saying opensource is the USSR, but rather that it is pure communism, at its intended level. Microsoft is more on a par with the Nazi party's facism binge. However, note that the Nazis considered themselves to have a free market, and still technically operated as a capitalist society, while communism at its heart is intended from the get go to benefit everyone (yet when applied to governments, this never actually happens). That is what i was saying. You can have two cold wars without the sides being identical to the one in the previous war. (compare WWI germany to WWII germany, for example, or even trench warfare to blitzkrieg and firebombing)
You're a fool. You've been bamboozled into believing that everything has to be a commercial solution or it's worthless, dead, or unsuccessful. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: (sing along, kids!)
Communism sucks for governments, but it works great for groups of people with a common goal!
That's right, kids...opensource is good for you. It lets you give your time to the group, or COMMUNE, and give back the results of your productivity to the masses for equal division! and the great thing about software is, that unlike the finite products that software corporations wish it to be, can be copied effortlessly countless times, with little distribution cost to anyone!
So let's all try a nice big glass of Communism today, and stop worrying about whether Capitalism is going to benefit from our pinko operating system!
but seriously, this whole copyright and software thing is just like the cold war all over again, except this time everyone who has actually researched their stuff realizes that there's far more atrocities on the pro-IP side than the commie rat bastards they want you all to think us OSS people are. I could say generic "when you support..." joke, but its no joke. thats why so many of us here on/. are not buying music and movies. thats why we would rather run anything at all but MS operating systems. And that is why we would rather code opensource than closed. The playing field is a place of crossfire and even friendly fire, so no matter what position you take, somebody will believe (not just think, believe) you to be wrong. Trust me.
You're a damn fool. It is not freeloading to accept something which is given to you for free. If someone offers to mow my lawn, am I a freeloader for accepting? If I offer to fix someone's computer, and choose not to charge them, is that cause to call the other person a freeloader? Therefore, if a group of people write a group of software apps and offer it to me for free, I am also not a freeloader.
And for the record, I'm not a Red Hat user, and I don't particularly care for their recent versions. I said nothing of business model, and I said nothing of people who have solely downloaded. If you see something wrong with someone downloading a newer version of something the person already has paid for an older version of, you may as well go ahead and join the BSA.
I, as a Gentoo user, do not see the need for commercial linuxOS companies to create the OS. If IBM wants to make one to put on their hardware, or to provide services for, fine. but don't knock Red Hat for trying. They didn't get to number 1 by charging or by licensing one fee per desk. They got there by making linux palatable by the more adventurous of the masses. If the days of commercial linuxOS creating-selling are numbered, so be it. Lack of 'sales' hasn't killed Debian as far as I know...
of course i think samba is better. all i was saying is that the judges were clearly not judging on a "linux is just better" basis. For all I know, MS might have been the only group that showed up with such an app to be in the contest.
As much as I hate to say it, I'd say thats fair. what were the competition? I don't know. It probably consisted of dos2unix text file converter, Samba, and maybe something else or so. WINE sure doesn't cut that mustard. so I guess I've got to say, this shows that the judges had level heads and didn't discriminate.
i said, IIRC, "with several games". Take into the account that I see Final Fantasy games going for ridiculous prices, and games like Contra going for more than some used Playstation games, I'd say the Nintendo Entertainment System has a bigger market than Sega CD does now...
I don't see anyone making nearly the fat profit off an old Sega system for example that one can for a good Nintendo or SNES with games...the key is that Nintendo has kept its game quality up, and by doing so has the respect of gamers. If they weren't, my nintendo and SNES would still be in the attic or landfill, not hooked up to my entertainment system and used frequently.
but the recording 'industry' is not the RIAA. The Recording Industry is also CDs sold out of the back of a punk band's van. the RIAA is a collection of nothing but labels. death of labels is different from killing off a whole industry.
that most of our electricity comes from fossil fuels, and recycling takes energy...and there's also the tiny detail that the price of a disposable car isn't going to be much, if at all, less than a normal car made of real parts due to R/D costs and the fact that there aren't convenient hydrogen stations across the nation lining our highways.
So unless something magically makes Ford decide to get with the oil companies and convert the stations while swapping their pricing model to something a little cheaper (say, 2 to 6 thousand dollars US), then I am quite sure that Henry Ford is rolling in his grave as they compare this to his Model T, because the Model T was nothing if not successful and affordable.
So until this all comes to pass, I think I'll stick with my Crown Vic, content with the fact that it doesn't keel over and die when I pass 100,000 miles on the odometer and the fact that I have only had to do non-preventative maintenance once.
Let's see some power outlets...I hate how my laptop runs at 1/4 speed off the battery. Then there's long flights to Japan, and the fact that my particular wireless NIC drains my battery way quicker than I care to admit...
Or conversely, everyone starts shooting and some idiot decides to declare a stupid knife-only game and gets shot in the head. That's exactly what SCO is doing...making themselves a target.
And for reference, SCO didn't specifically say Linux IIRC (which I may not, because I didn't RTFA), but an "unspecified operating system". SCO may not have the knife, but they may have a sniper rifle, and it just may be aimed at MS. I don't know yet. But what I do know is that the license stickers on the side of OEM boxes with XP and 2K specify "1-2 processors" on them, which could be a clue...
That was an awful lot more eloquent than I would have put it...mine would be more along the lines of slapping anyone involved upside the head and demanding to know, "Why the hell would I want something like this? no, ME. Why do I want this? I don't even like/watch/takepartin movies, label music, or television. I just want a computer that does whatever the hell I tell it to do."
Law's don't change when you settle a suit. You just get money. Now, if you were to actually go through with it...the potential damage in law would do exponentially more damage to Microsoft than a drop-in-the-bucket lump sum of cash value.
the more Microsoft keeps screwing its customers and changing up names on people once people figure out they don't want something, the sooner Microsoft will have to hide its products so people don't realize they're made by Microsoft....or maybe they're just too arrogant for that.
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easy solution...hire Kevin Mitnick's new security consulting group to install *nix systems instead
my desktop environment can beat up your desktop environment...
Now I just need them to release KDE 3.11 for WorkKroups!
*modifies his splash*
Thats why it's called a hobby. if you don't want people getting your software for free, dont put it out for free, esp. under a GPL or BSD license.
if you invest six figures for just support, you're getting screwed. You can get multiple admins for that, who know your exact setup intimately.
OCR also worked for RFC1149 (carrier pigeon internet protocol)...well...sort of
first you raise an attention getting ruckus, then you work on your real app...good way to get the attention of the users you want.
looking at your post, it seems you agreed with me but not with my phrasing. I'm not saying opensource is the USSR, but rather that it is pure communism, at its intended level. Microsoft is more on a par with the Nazi party's facism binge. However, note that the Nazis considered themselves to have a free market, and still technically operated as a capitalist society, while communism at its heart is intended from the get go to benefit everyone (yet when applied to governments, this never actually happens). That is what i was saying. You can have two cold wars without the sides being identical to the one in the previous war. (compare WWI germany to WWII germany, for example, or even trench warfare to blitzkrieg and firebombing)
last time I checked, corporations who get paid don't generally care what the users want...Palladium-TCPA anyone?
You're a fool. You've been bamboozled into believing that everything has to be a commercial solution or it's worthless, dead, or unsuccessful. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: (sing along, kids!)
/. are not buying music and movies. thats why we would rather run anything at all but MS operating systems. And that is why we would rather code opensource than closed. The playing field is a place of crossfire and even friendly fire, so no matter what position you take, somebody will believe (not just think, believe) you to be wrong. Trust me.
Communism sucks for governments, but it works great for groups of people with a common goal!
That's right, kids...opensource is good for you. It lets you give your time to the group, or COMMUNE, and give back the results of your productivity to the masses for equal division! and the great thing about software is, that unlike the finite products that software corporations wish it to be, can be copied effortlessly countless times, with little distribution cost to anyone!
So let's all try a nice big glass of Communism today, and stop worrying about whether Capitalism is going to benefit from our pinko operating system!
but seriously, this whole copyright and software thing is just like the cold war all over again, except this time everyone who has actually researched their stuff realizes that there's far more atrocities on the pro-IP side than the commie rat bastards they want you all to think us OSS people are. I could say generic "when you support..." joke, but its no joke. thats why so many of us here on
This is true...but microsoft has been known to screw users who download their products rather than buying them, which Red Hat does not.
You're a damn fool. It is not freeloading to accept something which is given to you for free. If someone offers to mow my lawn, am I a freeloader for accepting? If I offer to fix someone's computer, and choose not to charge them, is that cause to call the other person a freeloader? Therefore, if a group of people write a group of software apps and offer it to me for free, I am also not a freeloader.
And for the record, I'm not a Red Hat user, and I don't particularly care for their recent versions. I said nothing of business model, and I said nothing of people who have solely downloaded. If you see something wrong with someone downloading a newer version of something the person already has paid for an older version of, you may as well go ahead and join the BSA.
I, as a Gentoo user, do not see the need for commercial linuxOS companies to create the OS. If IBM wants to make one to put on their hardware, or to provide services for, fine. but don't knock Red Hat for trying. They didn't get to number 1 by charging or by licensing one fee per desk. They got there by making linux palatable by the more adventurous of the masses. If the days of commercial linuxOS creating-selling are numbered, so be it. Lack of 'sales' hasn't killed Debian as far as I know...
It becomes microsoftish when an upgrade is not a free download away.
of course i think samba is better. all i was saying is that the judges were clearly not judging on a "linux is just better" basis. For all I know, MS might have been the only group that showed up with such an app to be in the contest.
As much as I hate to say it, I'd say thats fair. what were the competition? I don't know. It probably consisted of dos2unix text file converter, Samba, and maybe something else or so. WINE sure doesn't cut that mustard. so I guess I've got to say, this shows that the judges had level heads and didn't discriminate.
Regardles, Viva Linux!
i said, IIRC, "with several games". Take into the account that I see Final Fantasy games going for ridiculous prices, and games like Contra going for more than some used Playstation games, I'd say the Nintendo Entertainment System has a bigger market than Sega CD does now...
I don't see anyone making nearly the fat profit off an old Sega system for example that one can for a good Nintendo or SNES with games...the key is that Nintendo has kept its game quality up, and by doing so has the respect of gamers. If they weren't, my nintendo and SNES would still be in the attic or landfill, not hooked up to my entertainment system and used frequently.
but the recording 'industry' is not the RIAA. The Recording Industry is also CDs sold out of the back of a punk band's van. the RIAA is a collection of nothing but labels. death of labels is different from killing off a whole industry.
that most of our electricity comes from fossil fuels, and recycling takes energy...and there's also the tiny detail that the price of a disposable car isn't going to be much, if at all, less than a normal car made of real parts due to R/D costs and the fact that there aren't convenient hydrogen stations across the nation lining our highways.
So unless something magically makes Ford decide to get with the oil companies and convert the stations while swapping their pricing model to something a little cheaper (say, 2 to 6 thousand dollars US), then I am quite sure that Henry Ford is rolling in his grave as they compare this to his Model T, because the Model T was nothing if not successful and affordable.
So until this all comes to pass, I think I'll stick with my Crown Vic, content with the fact that it doesn't keel over and die when I pass 100,000 miles on the odometer and the fact that I have only had to do non-preventative maintenance once.
Let's see some power outlets...I hate how my laptop runs at 1/4 speed off the battery. Then there's long flights to Japan, and the fact that my particular wireless NIC drains my battery way quicker than I care to admit...
Or conversely, everyone starts shooting and some idiot decides to declare a stupid knife-only game and gets shot in the head. That's exactly what SCO is doing...making themselves a target.
And for reference, SCO didn't specifically say Linux IIRC (which I may not, because I didn't RTFA), but an "unspecified operating system". SCO may not have the knife, but they may have a sniper rifle, and it just may be aimed at MS. I don't know yet. But what I do know is that the license stickers on the side of OEM boxes with XP and 2K specify "1-2 processors" on them, which could be a clue...
That was an awful lot more eloquent than I would have put it...mine would be more along the lines of slapping anyone involved upside the head and demanding to know, "Why the hell would I want something like this? no, ME. Why do I want this? I don't even like/watch/takepartin movies, label music, or television. I just want a computer that does whatever the hell I tell it to do."
Law's don't change when you settle a suit. You just get money. Now, if you were to actually go through with it...the potential damage in law would do exponentially more damage to Microsoft than a drop-in-the-bucket lump sum of cash value.
"The 2-D, 16-bit games, anyway."
Last time I checked, the original nintendo was an 8-bit machine, and that's what's going on the cards. The Super Nintendo was the 16-bit.
the more Microsoft keeps screwing its customers and changing up names on people once people figure out they don't want something, the sooner Microsoft will have to hide its products so people don't realize they're made by Microsoft....or maybe they're just too arrogant for that.