Microsoft would call up Dell and say, "ship MacOS X on one single box and your price on Windows will triple."
And that will be the end of OS X on PCs. They killed Be in this manner and they can and will do it again.
The average user isn't going to care about OS X any more than they did about MacOS. I doubt that most non Mac users have any idea what the difference is between MacOS and MacOS X.
Yeah, I bought my daughter an iBook because of the "sturdy" factor. Big mistake. So far she has broken four iBook power adaptors (at $75 each). And she's ten years old. I should have bought her an iMac, but she begged for a laptop.
why not buy a PowerBook? They have been available in widescreen for a long time. Plus, as someone who has several of both, I can tell you the PowerBook is a lot nicer.
I guess this was all supposed to be a joke, but these guys were Mac developers since the 1980s. One guy started developing for the Mac professionally in 1984 and was the biggest Mac biggot I've ever met. In fact, he had a real hard time taking any direction from his manager if his manager was not an expert on the Mac. He just had zero respect for anyone who wasn't a Mac programmer. I was his manager for a while and he had no problem taking direction from me, but from a windows developer - forget it.
And he had a full beard. And had been married several times.
The other guy had been developing for the Mac since sometime in the 80s - at least before 1988 because he mentioned it to me. I didn't know him as well, but he also had a full beard and was married.
I developed for the Newton from 1994-1997 and for Mac from 1996-present. I do not have a beard and also am married.
It seems to be a running meme with Steve Jobs that the more he denies something, the more likely it is to happen. They've been saying they'll never go Intel for over a decade, and yet, here we are
I have never heard Steve Jobs say that and I've watched pretty much every WWDC, MacWorld Keynote, and Special Event that has been webcast since he returned to Apple. I certainly heard him talk up the various PowerPC processors as they were introduced, and even put down Intel processors, but I've never heard him say, "There is no way we would ever switch to Intel" or "I promise we won't switch to Intel".
I have never heard him say "We will never make a PDA." I have heard him say that he "didn't like the scribble thing" (Newton). I have heard him point out the various obstacles for a video iPod. I have heard him say "no immediate plans", but that was maybe 2 years ago? If they came out with a video iPod tomorrow, that would not contradict his saying "no immediate plans" 2 years ago.
I've been in the pacific northwest here for several years. There are lots of Windows guys here with beards. I even worked with two Mac guys with beards.
Disney is one of the most hipocritical and anti-freedom companies in existance. I for one would not visit their parks for any reason, but this is simply ridiculous.
I fucking hate Disney for what they have done to our laws. I hate them for using this hand scanner. They are bastards.
If you come upon some kid who checked^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhacked into a school website and checked his acceptance status without even being aware of what he's doing, then it's not likely he'll seek out further trouble. A minor punishment is sufficient to deter him.
Deter him from making an honest mistake? Get real. I'm familiar with that case. Looking at a website that someone puts up by mistake is not a crime and there should be no punishment for it.
Here's what I don't get. Why do people care that there are dupes? Did Taco hold a gun to your head and make you read the article twice? Or read through and make comments? Why don't you just ignore dupes?
Yes. I had a friend come and rave to me about her new Windows computer and how much better it was than a Mac. I asked her what kind of Mac she looked at to compare it to. She said that she *had* a Mac. I asked her which model. She said, "Mac Plus".
So, this was in 1997 and she's comparing her 11 year old Mac to a brand new Windows box and thinking that is a fair comparison.
It is inferior from a price standpoint, and for the same reason, always will be.
I don't get it. If the major cost difference is the G5 processor vs. the Pentium 4, I would expect a Mac with a P4 processor to cost less than a Mac with a G5.
Most of the other hardware components have been standardized so that they are the same as PC - just configured a bit differently. Pretty much all the world's laptops (including both PowerBooks and Dell) are made in the same few factories by Quantas.
I wouldn't count on the Mac "always will be" more expensive.
I would think that the discounts are not an all or nothing kind of deal. The article said that Apple would get a discount by moving all of its products to Intel including Mac and iPod. They make lots of iPods.
Still less volume than Dell, but some discount is better than paying a premium price to IBM.
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Yes. This is why they want drivers to become WHQL certified which means that they have had a certain level of testing.
OS X changes *nothing*.
Microsoft would call up Dell and say, "ship MacOS X on one single box and your price on Windows will triple."
And that will be the end of OS X on PCs. They killed Be in this manner and they can and will do it again.
The average user isn't going to care about OS X any more than they did about MacOS. I doubt that most non Mac users have any idea what the difference is between MacOS and MacOS X.
You must have missed the first round of Mac cloning. Apple got *murdered* by Power Computing in the marketplace.
If you think they can compete with Dell et al without the advantage of MacOS X, then you are wrong. They would not make it.
Yeah, I bought my daughter an iBook because of the "sturdy" factor. Big mistake. So far she has broken four iBook power adaptors (at $75 each). And she's ten years old. I should have bought her an iMac, but she begged for a laptop.
Maybe because you can get use out of a Macintosh without any Unix knowledge and then learn Unixy things at your own pace.
why not buy a PowerBook? They have been available in widescreen for a long time. Plus, as someone who has several of both, I can tell you the PowerBook is a lot nicer.
I guess this was all supposed to be a joke, but these guys were Mac developers since the 1980s. One guy started developing for the Mac professionally in 1984 and was the biggest Mac biggot I've ever met. In fact, he had a real hard time taking any direction from his manager if his manager was not an expert on the Mac. He just had zero respect for anyone who wasn't a Mac programmer. I was his manager for a while and he had no problem taking direction from me, but from a windows developer - forget it.
And he had a full beard. And had been married several times.
The other guy had been developing for the Mac since sometime in the 80s - at least before 1988 because he mentioned it to me. I didn't know him as well, but he also had a full beard and was married.
I developed for the Newton from 1994-1997 and for Mac from 1996-present. I do not have a beard and also am married.
And since the grandparent post is interested in important things and Stuf That Matters don't forget that:
In Soviet Russia, real stuff gets back to you!
"I can't help but noticing you are watching midget porn. I LOVE midget porn!"
It seems to be a running meme with Steve Jobs that the more he denies something, the more likely it is to happen. They've been saying they'll never go Intel for over a decade, and yet, here we are
I have never heard Steve Jobs say that and I've watched pretty much every WWDC, MacWorld Keynote, and Special Event that has been webcast since he returned to Apple. I certainly heard him talk up the various PowerPC processors as they were introduced, and even put down Intel processors, but I've never heard him say, "There is no way we would ever switch to Intel" or "I promise we won't switch to Intel".
I have never heard him say "We will never make a PDA." I have heard him say that he "didn't like the scribble thing" (Newton). I have heard him point out the various obstacles for a video iPod. I have heard him say "no immediate plans", but that was maybe 2 years ago? If they came out with a video iPod tomorrow, that would not contradict his saying "no immediate plans" 2 years ago.
I've been in the pacific northwest here for several years. There are lots of Windows guys here with beards. I even worked with two Mac guys with beards.
Your mother is a whore.
I just bought a vintage fountain pen this weekend at a pen show. I guess this is bad news for the pen industry.
Disney is one of the most hipocritical and anti-freedom companies in existance. I for one would not visit their parks for any reason, but this is simply ridiculous.
I fucking hate Disney for what they have done to our laws. I hate them for using this hand scanner. They are bastards.
I, for one, welcome our new dual channel television overlords!
If they could just order the Harry Potter books returned, why were they trying to bribe the people to whom the books were sold?
There were PowerBooks long before the switch to PowerPC. The first 3 or 4 generations of PowerBooks had 680x0 processors.
No, she didn't ask my opinion, nor did I give her my opinion. Why do you assume that I did?
I just use her as an example of someone making a stupid and unfair comparison.
If you come upon some kid who checked^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhacked into a school website and checked his acceptance status without even being aware of what he's doing, then it's not likely he'll seek out further trouble. A minor punishment is sufficient to deter him.
Deter him from making an honest mistake? Get real. I'm familiar with that case. Looking at a website that someone puts up by mistake is not a crime and there should be no punishment for it.
Here's what I don't get. Why do people care that there are dupes? Did Taco hold a gun to your head and make you read the article twice? Or read through and make comments? Why don't you just ignore dupes?
Yes. I had a friend come and rave to me about her new Windows computer and how much better it was than a Mac. I asked her what kind of Mac she looked at to compare it to. She said that she *had* a Mac. I asked her which model. She said, "Mac Plus".
So, this was in 1997 and she's comparing her 11 year old Mac to a brand new Windows box and thinking that is a fair comparison.
It is inferior from a price standpoint, and for the same reason, always will be.
I don't get it. If the major cost difference is the G5 processor vs. the Pentium 4, I would expect a Mac with a P4 processor to cost less than a Mac with a G5.
Most of the other hardware components have been standardized so that they are the same as PC - just configured a bit differently. Pretty much all the world's laptops (including both PowerBooks and Dell) are made in the same few factories by Quantas.
I wouldn't count on the Mac "always will be" more expensive.
I would think that the discounts are not an all or nothing kind of deal. The article said that Apple would get a discount by moving all of its products to Intel including Mac and iPod. They make lots of iPods.
Still less volume than Dell, but some discount is better than paying a premium price to IBM.
why not? pulp won't go through syringe?
X-Box 360?
PS3?