I hope you don't are never forced to resort to healthcare.gov...
But I am being forced to buy something I don't want.
"But it's for your own good!" Fuck that.
"Oh, you don't need it personally? Well, then you must buy ObamaCare for other people". Fuck that too.
I can't wait to hear the screams from the ObamaCare devotees when the inevitable Republican administration comes along and makes people buy stuff from their corporate overlords.
"That's not fair!!! I don't want or need a Halliburton morality detector!" Too fucking bad. You shouldn't have voted for that crap.
Apparantly, no one remembers that it was the Democrats under Clinton that gave us what became the Patriot Act. All Bush and Co. did was slap some lipstick on the pig. Now Obama has doubled down on it.
Don't support totalitarianism. You won't like it, even though you claim we need it "for the children".
My father was an EE for Western Electric and Bell Labs. Way back in the day, he worked on inertial guidance systems for ICBMs.
He told me about the shaker table they used to simulate boost phase. It used a 500 watt McIntosh amp as the pre-amp driving several foot tall water cooled tubes, (valves for our British friends) as the output devices.
I've always wanted a setup like that for my sub-sub-sub--woofer.
From Wikipedia:
"By U.S. Census Bureau standards, the population of the Atlanta region spreads across a metropolitan area of 8,376 square miles (21,694 km2) – a land area comparable to that of Massachusetts."
It ain't just a matter of buying a few trucks. This is HUGE area with a boatload on separate government entities to deal with. A huge investment that would have to compete with black hole public school money demands as well. Just in case it was needed every decade or so.
I lived in Atlanta for 8 years and now in Minneapolis for 23. Believe me, Atlanta and the other Southern cities I grew up in are much harder to drive in with a winter event of any size.
Here in Minneapolis, each and every year, the first 2" snow and everyone acts like they've never seen the shit before. Unbelievable commute tie ups and panic reigns.
I was surprised at how much easier it was to get around in the winter when I first got here. Not because the drivers are better, but because of how dry it is in the winter. In the South, winter means wet ice. Driving on -10F snow is much easier.
No amount of "bunker" is going to save you because most of North America will be knocked over and/or on fire. Even if you get out (as youll be under feet of hot ash) there will be no place to go, no way to get there, the grounds itself will be baren for a dozen years like Mt St Hellen's.
Yes it does. New viewpoints/insights worth considering, if not ultimately adopted, can come from anywhere. What's your point? I'm not a Christian but I've heard some good stuff from there over the years even though I don't see the need for the savior thing.
On the other hand I saw a lot of Christian-hostile types vote for Obama as a Savior. Seriously, no flame bait here. A whole lot of people want to be "saved" in some way. From some kind of hell, financial problem, political, paying for thier healthcare, whatever.
It's always, in the end, a demand that God, politicians or somebody save them from themselves.
...was a wretched POS generally referred to as ObamaCare.
Here we have something designed to wreck an already problematic healthcare system and you guys are complaining about the fucking web site.
This is typical nerd behavior - forget completely what the guillotine is getting ready to do to you and get absorbed in the operating defect!
"Wait, I see the problem!"
No, the problem is that this abortion, Obamacare, is getting ready to fuck us all and you're all arguing about how best to load the batteries!
...Then tell me, why exactly shouldn't I kill you and take your shit? I have nothing to lose anyway. This 'socialism' you so despise is a pressure valve that prevents violent revolution.
So, unless I give you free shit, you'll take it by force. But if I go ahead and give you free shit up front, 'socialism' as you put it, you'll leave me alone.
Good of you to explain the term 'socialism' so clearly! I agree with you completely!
Why are all y'all equating a functional web site with a desirable policy? The web site can be great, but if it is merely facilitating the destruction of health care in the U.S., that ain't helping us.
Off the record many of the biggest multinationals have told reporters that they have run the numbers and single payer would help them...
Fascism definitely helps giant companies that partner with the government. That which benefits a few large corporations doesn't, as a rule, benefit me as an individual.
I agree with the sentiment that Repubs only oppose big government when the Dems want it. I believe that the corrupt bastards are happy when they can loudly oppose massive Democratic government growth and then inherit that power later.
You're absolutely correct. I worked on a medical billing system that had to run in 10 countries, US, Canada, Britain, Australia and more.
US comparison with Canadian single payer system:
US was a pain in the ass, as you pointed out. Crazy billing per insurance company per state per item. BUT, in comparison, the Canadian system was MUCH harder to implement. The US system could be handled by tables that linked CPT codes to insurer per state. Annoying as hell to set up, bet then it pretty much just worked.
The Canadian system was vastly more complicated. For one thing, it wasn't "single payer". Each province billed differently, paid differently, wanted the data in different formats, paid depending on the time of year because they would run out of money towards the end of the year and your payments became open ended receivables or worse, the would sometimes ask for money back! Tracked by patient by service by date by age of patient...
Healthcare is one of the things that is too important for the government to be involved with.
So, you want to replace large greedy corporations with...
the largest, greediest most inefficient corporation. One that use lots of guns to enforce it's will.
Hey, what could go wrong?
Or perhaps we can enforce a market with true competition. Which is not what we have now.
"Oh Noz! Can't do that!" People must be forced to do the right thing by a vast, inefficient, "compassionate", smarter-than-we-are totalitarian state.
The VAST percentage of healthcare in the U.S. isn't emergency. Emergencies happen of course, but most of the time you *can* schedule medical services.
The discussion is almost exclusively how to make everyone have health insurance. It should be all about how to have as inexpensive healthcare as possible.
The cheapest possible healthcare is your doctor, her staff and you.
Every insurance lamprey, bureaucrat and government added cost, e.g. endless taxes and unneeded regulation added to that list, drives up the cost of healthcare.
This isn't a cry to eliminate all government, but we have to acknowledge that constantly (and poorly) increasing the complexity of a system increases the frictional losses and government operates on an inverse scale of efficiency.
You think a single payer system is going to be efficient in the U.S.? We have a perfect model already. It's called "the public schools". The U.S. public school system is broken by any engineering standard. Any system that requires literally an endless energy input (money in this case) is, by definition, broken.
Yay! Let's finish what the insurance industry started and completely fuck up what's left of healthcare in the U.S.!
If you don't think that failure is directly related to her parents choices then you are a fucking dolt.
You must not have children. I raised two great kids and have friends that raised kids I consider to be fucked up and you know what? We all did our best.
We're all hard working, happy, no horrible home lives, stable marriages, loved our kids and spent time with them.
My kids are happy and fun to be around and my friends kid is in prison and will be for years.
It ain't all just "nurture" folks. I almost feel my kids turned out all right in spite of my parenting and my friends did absolutely everything they could.
People are affected by their parents but are also individuals who make choices, sometimes bad ones their parents would literally die to prevent if they could.
When I was a kid, you didn't even have to win. You just had to make the bullying not enough fun to keep doing, at least physically.
Just knowing that they could beat someone up, but would get hurt some themselves, usually made it not worth the trouble.
I will never understand the bizarre interpretation of libertarianism with anarchy!
Why do statists always scream that if ANY liberty is allowed we will go all Mad Max?
Oh, that's right, they're statists and ANY individual freedom/responsibility threatens the state.
When I talk about liberty, it's not anarchy. I would just like to see the discussion moved to how little government do we need to live and work together. The current discussion, in the US at least, is always about how much government can we have without fomenting an armed rebellion. How much government control of healthcare, communications, income, etc.
Being opposed to a totalitarian state doesn't presume chaos, unless you're a totalitarian statist which a depressing number of people are. They take umbrage at that description of course and claim they just want to help people. because, you know, if people were allowed to make important decisions, they'd fuck up. Only a vast bureaucracy has the compassion and wisdom to run other peoples lives.
Yes people do fuck up their lives sometimes. God knows I've made bad decisions and will make more. That's called living. And Learning. And not being eternally cast in the role as a child who must always protected by the all knowing state.
Again, the U.S. wasn't intended to be a democracy. It was set up as a republic. Try to remember this folks. Democracy is mob rule. Just look at the popularity of the Kardashians and imagine these dim bulbs running the country.
They might even elect a community activist with no legislative experience as president!
I find this far more worrying than global warming. Hormone disruption can have a profoundly powerful effect on our bodies. Right now, not perhaps decades in the future.
If we are going to worry about pollution and it's effects on our wellbeing, let's look hard at this right now.
Of course this isn't politically correct today. Global warming "prevention" fosters a totalitarian state. Flooding the drinking water with estrogen from the massive use of birth control pills might be a problem but that can't be mentioned without being labeled a misogynist.
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I hope you don't are never forced to resort to healthcare.gov...
But I am being forced to buy something I don't want.
"But it's for your own good!" Fuck that.
"Oh, you don't need it personally? Well, then you must buy ObamaCare for other people". Fuck that too.
I can't wait to hear the screams from the ObamaCare devotees when the inevitable Republican administration comes along and makes people buy stuff from their corporate overlords.
"That's not fair!!! I don't want or need a Halliburton morality detector!" Too fucking bad. You shouldn't have voted for that crap. Apparantly, no one remembers that it was the Democrats under Clinton that gave us what became the Patriot Act. All Bush and Co. did was slap some lipstick on the pig. Now Obama has doubled down on it.
Don't support totalitarianism. You won't like it, even though you claim we need it "for the children".
He told me about the shaker table they used to simulate boost phase. It used a 500 watt McIntosh amp as the pre-amp driving several foot tall water cooled tubes, (valves for our British friends) as the output devices.
I've always wanted a setup like that for my sub-sub-sub--woofer.
From Wikipedia: "By U.S. Census Bureau standards, the population of the Atlanta region spreads across a metropolitan area of 8,376 square miles (21,694 km2) – a land area comparable to that of Massachusetts."
It ain't just a matter of buying a few trucks. This is HUGE area with a boatload on separate government entities to deal with. A huge investment that would have to compete with black hole public school money demands as well. Just in case it was needed every decade or so.
I lived in Atlanta for 8 years and now in Minneapolis for 23. Believe me, Atlanta and the other Southern cities I grew up in are much harder to drive in with a winter event of any size.
Here in Minneapolis, each and every year, the first 2" snow and everyone acts like they've never seen the shit before. Unbelievable commute tie ups and panic reigns. I was surprised at how much easier it was to get around in the winter when I first got here. Not because the drivers are better, but because of how dry it is in the winter. In the South, winter means wet ice. Driving on -10F snow is much easier.
How late do you think the first aircraft carrier was delivered? Do you think it was bugfree?
It ain't the first commercial web portal by a long shot. Of course it's virtually unprecedented in complexity. That's what government does best.
Folks, the problem isn't the web site. It's the abortion that the web site is supposed to implement.
No amount of "bunker" is going to save you because most of North America will be knocked over and/or on fire. Even if you get out (as youll be under feet of hot ash) there will be no place to go, no way to get there, the grounds itself will be baren for a dozen years like Mt St Hellen's.
Listen to you, Mr. glass-half-empty.
Yes it does. New viewpoints/insights worth considering, if not ultimately adopted, can come from anywhere. What's your point? I'm not a Christian but I've heard some good stuff from there over the years even though I don't see the need for the savior thing.
On the other hand I saw a lot of Christian-hostile types vote for Obama as a Savior. Seriously, no flame bait here. A whole lot of people want to be "saved" in some way. From some kind of hell, financial problem, political, paying for thier healthcare, whatever.
It's always, in the end, a demand that God, politicians or somebody save them from themselves.
It's one case where a little blurry actually helps.
Man, what a classic nerd response.
This is typical nerd behavior - forget completely what the guillotine is getting ready to do to you and get absorbed in the operating defect! "Wait, I see the problem!"
No, the problem is that this abortion, Obamacare, is getting ready to fuck us all and you're all arguing about how best to load the batteries!
...Then tell me, why exactly shouldn't I kill you and take your shit? I have nothing to lose anyway. This 'socialism' you so despise is a pressure valve that prevents violent revolution.
So, unless I give you free shit, you'll take it by force. But if I go ahead and give you free shit up front, 'socialism' as you put it, you'll leave me alone.
Good of you to explain the term 'socialism' so clearly! I agree with you completely!
Socialism is theft, pure and simple.
hmm, I now see why the republicans hate this idea. its bad for Big Business and good for the little guy.
hmm, I now see why the democrats love this idea. its good for Big Business and bad for the little guy.
FIFY
Why are all y'all equating a functional web site with a desirable policy? The web site can be great, but if it is merely facilitating the destruction of health care in the U.S., that ain't helping us.
Off the record many of the biggest multinationals have told reporters that they have run the numbers and single payer would help them...
Fascism definitely helps giant companies that partner with the government. That which benefits a few large corporations doesn't, as a rule, benefit me as an individual. I agree with the sentiment that Repubs only oppose big government when the Dems want it. I believe that the corrupt bastards are happy when they can loudly oppose massive Democratic government growth and then inherit that power later.
US comparison with Canadian single payer system: US was a pain in the ass, as you pointed out. Crazy billing per insurance company per state per item. BUT, in comparison, the Canadian system was MUCH harder to implement. The US system could be handled by tables that linked CPT codes to insurer per state. Annoying as hell to set up, bet then it pretty much just worked.
The Canadian system was vastly more complicated. For one thing, it wasn't "single payer". Each province billed differently, paid differently, wanted the data in different formats, paid depending on the time of year because they would run out of money towards the end of the year and your payments became open ended receivables or worse, the would sometimes ask for money back! Tracked by patient by service by date by age of patient...
Healthcare is one of the things that is too important for the government to be involved with.
So, you want to replace large greedy corporations with...
the largest, greediest most inefficient corporation. One that use lots of guns to enforce it's will.
Hey, what could go wrong?
Or perhaps we can enforce a market with true competition. Which is not what we have now. "Oh Noz! Can't do that!" People must be forced to do the right thing by a vast, inefficient, "compassionate", smarter-than-we-are totalitarian state.
The discussion is almost exclusively how to make everyone have health insurance. It should be all about how to have as inexpensive healthcare as possible.
The cheapest possible healthcare is your doctor, her staff and you. Every insurance lamprey, bureaucrat and government added cost, e.g. endless taxes and unneeded regulation added to that list, drives up the cost of healthcare.
This isn't a cry to eliminate all government, but we have to acknowledge that constantly (and poorly) increasing the complexity of a system increases the frictional losses and government operates on an inverse scale of efficiency.
You think a single payer system is going to be efficient in the U.S.? We have a perfect model already. It's called "the public schools". The U.S. public school system is broken by any engineering standard. Any system that requires literally an endless energy input (money in this case) is, by definition, broken.
Yay! Let's finish what the insurance industry started and completely fuck up what's left of healthcare in the U.S.!
If you don't think that failure is directly related to her parents choices then you are a fucking dolt.
You must not have children. I raised two great kids and have friends that raised kids I consider to be fucked up and you know what? We all did our best.
We're all hard working, happy, no horrible home lives, stable marriages, loved our kids and spent time with them. My kids are happy and fun to be around and my friends kid is in prison and will be for years.
It ain't all just "nurture" folks. I almost feel my kids turned out all right in spite of my parenting and my friends did absolutely everything they could.
People are affected by their parents but are also individuals who make choices, sometimes bad ones their parents would literally die to prevent if they could.
When I was a kid, you didn't even have to win. You just had to make the bullying not enough fun to keep doing, at least physically. Just knowing that they could beat someone up, but would get hurt some themselves, usually made it not worth the trouble.
No.
When I talk about liberty, it's not anarchy. I would just like to see the discussion moved to how little government do we need to live and work together. The current discussion, in the US at least, is always about how much government can we have without fomenting an armed rebellion. How much government control of healthcare, communications, income, etc.
Being opposed to a totalitarian state doesn't presume chaos, unless you're a totalitarian statist which a depressing number of people are. They take umbrage at that description of course and claim they just want to help people. because, you know, if people were allowed to make important decisions, they'd fuck up. Only a vast bureaucracy has the compassion and wisdom to run other peoples lives.
Yes people do fuck up their lives sometimes. God knows I've made bad decisions and will make more. That's called living. And Learning. And not being eternally cast in the role as a child who must always protected by the all knowing state.
They might even elect a community activist with no legislative experience as president!
If we are going to worry about pollution and it's effects on our wellbeing, let's look hard at this right now.
Of course this isn't politically correct today. Global warming "prevention" fosters a totalitarian state. Flooding the drinking water with estrogen from the massive use of birth control pills might be a problem but that can't be mentioned without being labeled a misogynist.
If the "bad guy" surrenders. What if the drone won't surrender? Also, we still get to swat mosquitoes don't we?
and burying them under twisty feet of rock.
I forget, how many twisties to a Library of Congress?