What we like is wave. Mmmmh. Waves packet too.
Duality onde-corpuscule (if you ahve a particule then you may associate it with an onde of wavelength "de Broglie" lambda=something/m).
And so forth. Such physic is far in the apst for me but you see where I am pointed at : Quantum physic is more onde+corpouscule. Classical physic is more "corpuscule" only.
It is unclear to me what would happen if the MPAA DoS or Hack a computer physically located in another country, where DoS'ing or hacking is illegal. Even if this is legal in the US, remmember , in that case everything (target computer, person, data) is located in a foreign country.
So what would ever happen then ? Logically they would be completly open to a lawsuit in the country where the bad deed happened. And since in a lot of country you have only to deposite a plaint when somebody did something wrong, you don't even have to pay lawyer to sue, the governement do it for you if you have a case (i.e. if somebody did something illegal on your possession).
ISO is about setting and cotrrectly enumerating Standard. Those standard are sought to be RAND or whatever it is called. When it becomes proprietary thru the imposition of a patent, then it cease to be "standard" (or has to) and ISO has to jump in.
ISO don't have to jump on to decide whether it is ethical or not, they have to jump to protect standard as matching a certain "quality" (in this case RAND agreement). How would you feel if somebody certified part of the ISO 9001 or 9002 firm quality process, thus asking you money each time you market having "matched" a certain standard ?
As far as the scientific study goes, and as far as the originator of the first crop circle themselves admited, they were all fakes from the beginning. I find this snippet on the parent post more insightful or even informative than funny...
Ignorance is OK because of different domain of competence. I can't make a car out of piece, I can't repair it, but I can ("barely";)) drive it.
People can use computer, only when it boils down to find solution to problems they have difficulty. That is what I call the "lowest common denominator".
The moms above mentionend would have AS MUCH problem finding SOLUTION to technical difficulties with Linux, Mac or Windows.
Even more to Linux because if their Son is not tech savy, they are out of luck. (did you try recently to browse in howtos to find a solution?).
There is a difference between being Tech-savy and knowing a lot of the innard of your system, and being "tech savy" but in reality only knowing how to "drive your pc" and install new driver, new application. Most people belong to the second category. And this is fine because its not their job to know how their PC function. Their job is only to drive them.
Honestly I had the same problem, and some of my friends & family member too. Those who don't know jack on PC are fine off with Linux *pre-instaleld* on their PC. As long as everything is shut down correctly and they only use their app everything is fine.
The Problem comes when a moderate user updating its driver, changing its hardware, adding printer/networking stuff/changing ISP, adding applications. The learning curve is too high and the problem resolution stuff is far too complicated.
And since there seems to be a lot of "sons" which are moderate user and not "power-linux-geek-it-programmer", they won't install Linux on their mom computer either...
...Which is not based on how much money, how many lawyer and legal threat you use, and even sometimes who you "know".
Sure. [Sarcasm off].
Mainland China may not be a "democratic" country, but let us be real. Our judiciaire system isn't perfect either,and their apparently fit the usage that their governement have of it.
"76% approval ratings." is not "0.76 * 285,000,000 Americans" approval.
Rating approval are made on 2000 , maybe 5000 if the institut of sondage is rich people of various socio culturel class and age etc...
Then they extrapolate that it represents the population of the US.
No need to say that population sampling may be something correct to do when the sampled population can be characterised as representative. But there are a lot of example out there that shows such sampling are easily skewed depending on the question.
Example : "Do you approve Bush's politic against al quada in Afghanistan" might get a 99% rating, where "do you approve all of preident Bush's political decision sicne its first day in white house" ? Might get 20%;).
But both will be "flagged" as approval rating by sondage institut like nielsen.
Other factor comes in because human aren't answering machine but people with feeling and different experience, and "mood".
Proof : sondage rating hours before the election are extremly often different than the final election result.
Morality : don't citate statistic.
But the rest of your counter argument were correct.
The retarded idea is that the Net should be "commercially-enabled" all the way long.
When you go into a search engine you don't always search for something to buy ! You sometimes (sic) search for relevant information. And when link are sponsored by money, then the relevance is dropped out and skew your search.
as for the governement not being your mom, if there wasn't a governement it would be the law of the strongest. Or complete anarchy. So in other word , unless you ant compelte anarchy, what you "wish" is the advantage without the inconvenience [intervention] of a governement. In other word , wishful thinking.
If song are incomplete , with silence, or break somehow the intended usage of the P2P network then put the user on black list with a "reason code".
If a user reach an amount of "blacklisting hits" (10 hits ? 100 ? 1000 ?) then he is put "out of the search" automatically.
He then either have to make another user name or show "white paw", that is explain why he was blacklisted, depending on the reason code.
People abusing the black listing on obviously "innocent/innocuious" case can be automatically black listed themselves.
That is a solution off the top of my head, my be in-implementableb but i am sure you see where I am pointing at :
If what do the RIAA doesn't disable the network in a more fundemmental way, just putting wrong result on the search will not really deny service after some thinking.
They would really have to either attack the node with a payload or invest a lot of money into flooding kazaa with a lot of user and stuff such that a black listing system would break down.
but then would not that open them to lawsuit, since a P2P network isn't unlawfull in itself, only its content may be ?
All the intelligence agency of the world would probably quickly report the terrorist attack they stopped to stop people cirtizing them they failed in the case of 9/11 and to get more funding to hunt the bad guys.
The communist rethoric isn't about quicking those "pesky foreigner" [sic] out of the country.
The right wing rethroic such as Haider on the other hand is proponent of such discourse.
As for punishing the action (like you say punishing communist because of what Stalin did) then let us start punishing the christianty as a whole. After all what they did during crusadfe and inquisition... Might be construed as atleast as horrible. Morality : don't try to interdict people on the action of their forefather, but interdict them on their current action.
A lot of floppy were "protected" by many copy prevention scheme using bad sector or special sector. Guess what ? Ultima V using such a special sector with XORing the protection code was what bring me to learn assembly. And to crack it. Because I had spent my hard learned (I was 12) money on a software which afetr a while refused to work. So I did go into the code and elarnt what it meant (with debug), find a way to crack, and then saved my executable with the crack.
Btttom line : PC publisher did not learn from Apple II. And still did not learn as far as I can see the Laserlok copy rpevention schemes.
Old soldier having been at omaha beach get support on protesting against a reusage of metal ponton for something commercial, but people/yahoo can sell/auction nazis stuff on a ".fr" web site targeted to French people ? And before you start the argument "punish" the buyer and not yahoo for some strange extraterritoriality reason, please the law punish both buyer and seller in that case, and second can I remind you of the case of the russian programmmer and Elmsoft ?
Either you accept all of the above, and you WILL get sooner or later your feeling hurt (What if a French started to sell rumble aprt of the WTC , and leftover jewelry from dead in the WTC ?), or you can accept that territoy want to make people respect their law for their citizen. And incase of transaction, there is alwqays a receiver and a giver which have to both respect the law.
And they tend to be as ungeeky as you can be.
The academia used it. Some may be geeky but I can guarantee you that the Profs & researcher I know are far from being geeky or the "mad forgettful" scientific you see on TV or Cinema.
Geek took it then over later, when both where looking eslewhere. Academia was then unhappy at seeing how geek transformed it in an available-for-all net. Militar may have been unhappy seeing it used by civilian, but were extremly happy to see the physical connection multiply, thus enhancing the original net.
Then come marketing type which take over everything, put their dirty hand in every corner adding ads, tooking the net from the hand of geek and then putting it back in the hand of firms for the exploitation of the resource and in the hand of Mr Joe Average for the Feeding of finished product.
And thus Everybody had at one time the net in their hand. And lost it, to ultimatly be handled not as a Strategic resource, not as a Research help, not as a Wild Wide Internet wioth the joy and thrill of discovery, but as a normal, run of the mill, media interractive product.
PS : I don't pretend that is 100% truth, only a way to present it;).
After all if a web site is on.fr it will msotly searched and looked at by Frenches. Same for.de,and other country domain name. Should it not then obey the local law since it is to 99% used by locals ? And if so, why should not the govt country handle the domain name ? All I saw as argument is "it isn't done so now" or "ICANN would not let it happen". But nothing about the fact that this domain name will mostly be watched by local people. And if it is used by local people , why should a foreign group have any influence on how it is handled ? Only locals should ahve their say in it.
Which means they pay theier connection by the minute. And this means that they pay to see advertising or downloading spam.
So your argument don't hold. And even in the case of flat fee, you are wasting my time by forcing me to read something I did not request. My freedom to choose not to receive your spam is at stake.
Microsoft was slapped not because they are held responsible as an ISP , but because their TOS included that all what was posted belonged to them. And as so, they are held responsible.
The codon (or group of 3 nucleotide IIRC) maybe don't code for an amino acide and may have other signification. You are assuming that those codon not translated in amino acid are useless. How about "stop" ? or "Repeat" ? "or start copy now" ?
Note : I am not a biologist so what is above maybe totally wrong.
In all other country you need to depose a complaint in offcial way. And then depending on the complaint a search warrant may or may not be delivered, but this can only be used by official. It does not say however if the company send together somebody as "technical" help in case the official lacks the technical knowledge to detect evidence.
As far as i know only in britain can no-official non-elected people have a search warrant on your home. But then againw e are speaking of a constitutionnal monarchy where some people (Lord?) don't get elected.
"We had a case in France recently where we turned up at a company's premises with a search order, but they were one step ahead of us on every PC -- deleting the files before we could get to them,"
Or maybe the data were not there to start with ?
Frankly, all they ask for is to break our civil liberty and right in each of our nation to be able to search at will.
The term Copyright, GeStaPo come to mind, without even the "Geheim" (hidden) in it.
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What we like is wave. Mmmmh. Waves packet too. Duality onde-corpuscule (if you ahve a particule then you may associate it with an onde of wavelength "de Broglie" lambda=something/m). And so forth. Such physic is far in the apst for me but you see where I am pointed at : Quantum physic is more onde+corpouscule. Classical physic is more "corpuscule" only.
It is unclear to me what would happen if the MPAA DoS or Hack a computer physically located in another country, where DoS'ing or hacking is illegal. Even if this is legal in the US, remmember , in that case everything (target computer, person, data) is located in a foreign country.
So what would ever happen then ? Logically they would be completly open to a lawsuit in the country where the bad deed happened. And since in a lot of country you have only to deposite a plaint when somebody did something wrong, you don't even have to pay lawyer to sue, the governement do it for you if you have a case (i.e. if somebody did something illegal on your possession).
ISO is about setting and cotrrectly enumerating Standard. Those standard are sought to be RAND or whatever it is called. When it becomes proprietary thru the imposition of a patent, then it cease to be "standard" (or has to) and ISO has to jump in. ISO don't have to jump on to decide whether it is ethical or not, they have to jump to protect standard as matching a certain "quality" (in this case RAND agreement).
How would you feel if somebody certified part of the ISO 9001 or 9002 firm quality process, thus asking you money each time you market having "matched" a certain standard ?
As far as the scientific study goes, and as far as the originator of the first crop circle themselves admited, they were all fakes from the beginning. I find this snippet on the parent post more insightful or even informative than funny...
"Ignorance is not OK, folks.".
;)) drive it.
Ignorance is OK because of different domain of competence. I can't make a car out of piece, I can't repair it, but I can ("barely"
People can use computer, only when it boils down to find solution to problems they have difficulty. That is what I call the "lowest common denominator".
The moms above mentionend would have AS MUCH problem finding SOLUTION to technical difficulties with Linux, Mac or Windows. Even more to Linux because if their Son is not tech savy, they are out of luck. (did you try recently to browse in howtos to find a solution?).
There is a difference between being Tech-savy and knowing a lot of the innard of your system, and being "tech savy" but in reality only knowing how to "drive your pc" and install new driver, new application. Most people belong to the second category. And this is fine because its not their job to know how their PC function. Their job is only to drive them.
Honestly I had the same problem, and some of my friends & family member too. Those who don't know jack on PC are fine off with Linux *pre-instaleld* on their PC. As long as everything is shut down correctly and they only use their app everything is fine.
The Problem comes when a moderate user updating its driver, changing its hardware, adding printer/networking stuff/changing ISP, adding applications. The learning curve is too high and the problem resolution stuff is far too complicated.
And since there seems to be a lot of "sons" which are moderate user and not "power-linux-geek-it-programmer", they won't install Linux on their mom computer either...
...Which is not based on how much money, how many lawyer and legal threat you use, and even sometimes who you "know". Sure. [Sarcasm off]. Mainland China may not be a "democratic" country, but let us be real. Our judiciaire system isn't perfect either,and their apparently fit the usage that their governement have of it.
Corportae war or suchlöike ? By poul anderson ?
"76% approval ratings." is not "0.76 * 285,000,000 Americans" approval.
;).
But both will be "flagged" as approval rating by sondage institut like nielsen.
Rating approval are made on 2000 , maybe 5000 if the institut of sondage is rich people of various socio culturel class and age etc...
Then they extrapolate that it represents the population of the US. No need to say that population sampling may be something correct to do when the sampled population can be characterised as representative. But there are a lot of example out there that shows such sampling are easily skewed depending on the question.
Example : "Do you approve Bush's politic against al quada in Afghanistan" might get a 99% rating, where "do you approve all of preident Bush's political decision sicne its first day in white house" ? Might get 20%
Other factor comes in because human aren't answering machine but people with feeling and different experience, and "mood". Proof : sondage rating hours before the election are extremly often different than the final election result.
Morality : don't citate statistic. But the rest of your counter argument were correct.
The retarded idea is that the Net should be "commercially-enabled" all the way long.
When you go into a search engine you don't always search for something to buy ! You sometimes (sic) search for relevant information. And when link are sponsored by money, then the relevance is dropped out and skew your search.
as for the governement not being your mom, if there wasn't a governement it would be the law of the strongest. Or complete anarchy. So in other word , unless you ant compelte anarchy, what you "wish" is the advantage without the inconvenience [intervention] of a governement. In other word , wishful thinking.
Blacklisting.
If song are incomplete , with silence, or break somehow the intended usage of the P2P network then put the user on black list with a "reason code".
If a user reach an amount of "blacklisting hits" (10 hits ? 100 ? 1000 ?) then he is put "out of the search" automatically.
He then either have to make another user name or show "white paw", that is explain why he was blacklisted, depending on the reason code.
People abusing the black listing on obviously "innocent/innocuious" case can be automatically black listed themselves.
That is a solution off the top of my head, my be in-implementableb but i am sure you see where I am pointing at :
If what do the RIAA doesn't disable the network in a more fundemmental way, just putting wrong result on the search will not really deny service after some thinking.
They would really have to either attack the node with a payload or invest a lot of money into flooding kazaa with a lot of user and stuff such that a black listing system would break down.
but then would not that open them to lawsuit, since a P2P network isn't unlawfull in itself, only its content may be ?
Andv even without discounting the sedimental evidence , it doesn't explain where this water came from and is gone ?
All the intelligence agency of the world would probably quickly report the terrorist attack they stopped to stop people cirtizing them they failed in the case of 9/11 and to get more funding to hunt the bad guys.
The communist rethoric isn't about quicking those "pesky foreigner" [sic] out of the country. The right wing rethroic such as Haider on the other hand is proponent of such discourse.
As for punishing the action (like you say punishing communist because of what Stalin did) then let us start punishing the christianty as a whole. After all what they did during crusadfe and inquisition... Might be construed as atleast as horrible. Morality : don't try to interdict people on the action of their forefather, but interdict them on their current action.
A lot of floppy were "protected" by many copy prevention scheme using bad sector or special sector. Guess what ? Ultima V using such a special sector with XORing the protection code was what bring me to learn assembly. And to crack it. Because I had spent my hard learned (I was 12) money on a software which afetr a while refused to work. So I did go into the code and elarnt what it meant (with debug), find a way to crack, and then saved my executable with the crack.
Btttom line : PC publisher did not learn from Apple II. And still did not learn as far as I can see the Laserlok copy rpevention schemes.
Old soldier having been at omaha beach get support on protesting against a reusage of metal ponton for something commercial, but people/yahoo can sell/auction nazis stuff on a ".fr" web site targeted to French people ?
And before you start the argument "punish" the buyer and not yahoo for some strange extraterritoriality reason, please the law punish both buyer and seller in that case, and second can I remind you of the case of the russian programmmer and Elmsoft ?
Either you accept all of the above, and you WILL get sooner or later your feeling hurt (What if a French started to sell rumble aprt of the WTC , and leftover jewelry from dead in the WTC ?), or you can accept that territoy want to make people respect their law for their citizen. And incase of transaction, there is alwqays a receiver and a giver which have to both respect the law.
And they tend to be as ungeeky as you can be. The academia used it. Some may be geeky but I can guarantee you that the Profs & researcher I know are far from being geeky or the "mad forgettful" scientific you see on TV or Cinema.
;).
Geek took it then over later, when both where looking eslewhere. Academia was then unhappy at seeing how geek transformed it in an available-for-all net. Militar may have been unhappy seeing it used by civilian, but were extremly happy to see the physical connection multiply, thus enhancing the original net.
Then come marketing type which take over everything, put their dirty hand in every corner adding ads, tooking the net from the hand of geek and then putting it back in the hand of firms for the exploitation of the resource and in the hand of Mr Joe Average for the Feeding of finished product.
And thus Everybody had at one time the net in their hand. And lost it, to ultimatly be handled not as a Strategic resource, not as a Research help, not as a Wild Wide Internet wioth the joy and thrill of discovery, but as a normal, run of the mill, media interractive product.
PS : I don't pretend that is 100% truth, only a way to present it
Mind you in the case of the ICANN, it means the control on the *whole* system, not a signle country oriented domain namely : .za.
Quetion : How quick do you think other country would react to a "kidnapping" from ICANN by the US ?
Must... Restrain... Doing... bad... joke...
After all if a web site is on .fr it will msotly searched and looked at by Frenches. Same for .de ,and other country domain name. Should it not then obey the local law since it is to 99% used by locals ? And if so, why should not the govt country handle the domain name ? All I saw as argument is "it isn't done so now" or "ICANN would not let it happen". But nothing about the fact that this domain name will mostly be watched by local people. And if it is used by local people , why should a foreign group have any influence on how it is handled ? Only locals should ahve their say in it.
Which means they pay theier connection by the minute. And this means that they pay to see advertising or downloading spam.
So your argument don't hold. And even in the case of flat fee, you are wasting my time by forcing me to read something I did not request. My freedom to choose not to receive your spam is at stake.
Microsoft was slapped not because they are held responsible as an ISP , but because their TOS included that all what was posted belonged to them. And as so, they are held responsible.
The codon (or group of 3 nucleotide IIRC) maybe don't code for an amino acide and may have other signification. You are assuming that those codon not translated in amino acid are useless. How about "stop" ? or "Repeat" ? "or start copy now" ? Note : I am not a biologist so what is above maybe totally wrong.
In all other country you need to depose a complaint in offcial way. And then depending on the complaint a search warrant may or may not be delivered, but this can only be used by official. It does not say however if the company send together somebody as "technical" help in case the official lacks the technical knowledge to detect evidence.
As far as i know only in britain can no-official non-elected people have a search warrant on your home. But then againw e are speaking of a constitutionnal monarchy where some people (Lord?) don't get elected.
"We had a case in France recently where we turned up at a company's premises with a search order, but they were one step ahead of us on every PC -- deleting the files before we could get to them,"
Or maybe the data were not there to start with ? Frankly, all they ask for is to break our civil liberty and right in each of our nation to be able to search at will.
The term Copyright, GeStaPo come to mind, without even the "Geheim" (hidden) in it.