I suppose then that you are taking a position similar to the phyicists in the late 1950's who said bumblebees can't fly because their wingspan was insufficient to support the mass of their bodies? (Bumblebes, not understanding physics, fly anyway.)
How else to you explain the SR-71 Blackbird that's been flown for at least 30 years at Mach 3?
No one's mentioned Dark Star (1974)? It was the (then) first of a new genre of space movies, breaking the Buck Rogers mold (remember that Star Trek was only a "flopped TV series" at the time). Supposedly the modest success of this low budget film gave movie industry execs enough confidence that Fox agreed to proceed with some thing called "Star Wars".
Forget Oregon. Unemployment is the highest in the country. Doonesbury is doing a series next week on the financial problems for Oregon's schools. Teachers in Portland are threatening to strike because of the pay cuts being proposed.
The high-tech bust has left many people unemployed, and for many of those, their unemployment compensation including two extensions has run out. The local (Portland) rag runs periodic articles on how bad things are and what people are doing about it. Many have moved out of state. Last Sunday there was this article on high tech workers trying to get jobs waiting tables - and being turned down. When employers advertise jobs they are swamped with resumes; most don't even bother to send out rejection notices anymore.
Legislative gridlock is preventing any meaningful action, and the reforms that have been sent to the voters have all been turned down because the Legislature has no credibility.
This has caused me a great deal of consternation over the years.
Mom's brother always went by his middle name, and used his first initial only for his legal signature. (I'm not certain if that was his choice or my grandparents.) Mom thought "J. Scott" would be a nice signature, and so I was named John Scott. I have never in my life been called anything other than Scott by my family.
Fast-forward a few decades. Databases that accept only first name, middle initial (all required fields). Systems (like my employers) who require using a login based on first name/last name. The government wants all three names, and will then never let go of "John".
At one time I was thinking of legally changing my first name to an initial only (J.) after my parents died. Going through the job hunting gig of late, with all the attendant forms, I may not wait that long.
I think many of the./ posters are missing the point. This isn't about Lexus/Nexus and Westlaw being denied reasonable profits. It's about using their near-monopoly to set prices and purchase terms that are at odds with the public interest. Some insight is buried in Lexus response: "although none of the plans would allow her to do what she wanted to do -- give unlimited, unmediated access in multiple locations to the LexisNexis legal information service at an unrealistic price."
Ms. Barr was not asking for unlimited access, although concurrent access is not a popular option for commercial software publishers these days. More importantly, she was asking for unmediated access - which Lexus evidently feels is inappropriate for the unwashed masses.
How is this different from the RIAA flexing it's muscle to stop file sharing? Aren't those also copyrighted works? Aren't the record publishers also entitled to reasonable profits? (Yes, I'm playing the devil's advocate here.) It's seems the./'ers are a bit of a hypocritical bunch...
To expand on this a little, when Supton says, "Folio was the default search engine for Netware", I believe he is referring to Netware's interactive help system. A FREE viewer came with the database. It might be worth a shot if you have access to any Novell 3/4 documentation on CD to try pointing that viewer at your dataset.
Regarding the poster's original dilema, the question boils down to this: Are you an "At-Will" employee? The at-will doctrine says that you can be fired for good reason, bad reason, no reason at all, or even an immoral reason, so long as the reason does not discriminate against a protected class (race, color, creed, religion, national origin, sexual preference, yadda, yadda, yadda).
So the fact that the poster has already been hired (he didn't say if he was enticed to quit another job, which might have some bearing), if he is an at-will employee, the company can, and probably will decide that they don't want his services if he doesn't agree to the background check. Here's a link (there are others) that explains at-will employment in more detail.
I recently completed my CISSP certification training and the subject of background checks for system administrators was discussed at some length. The recommended process is not only to do pre-employment credit / background / criminal record checks, but to also do them on a recurring basis (suggested annually).
The theory is that you don't want someone who has virtually unlimited access to the company's and employee's information who has personal problems out side work. At the very least, you want to know about those problems as soon as possible.
Remember the news story a couple of months ago about the identity theft ring that was rooted at a help desk? These were relatively low-level employees, but they had access to very sensitive information, and they took advantage of their position. I don't know that a background or credit check would have turned up anything, but companies are attempting to protect themselves by taking "reasonable steps", in the eyes of the law, to vet their employees.
All that said, I'm not thrilled about ongoing background checks. At a minimum, I would want to know that those doing the checking have themselves been checked.
Others have debated the pros and cons of Priceline.com. For a good synopsis, as well as *awesome* tips on how to use Priceline, checkout the Bidding for Travel Forum. It IS possible to submit mutiple bids, figure out the absolute lowest price, and avoid problems. They also have link to Priceline good for $10 off per airline ticket and $25 off vacation packages.
I would be interesting to add a "feature" to a browser that would notify adware/spyware/parasites that prior written consent was required before installing any software on your system, irregardless of any users' acceptance of terms. (Whose to say the user who clicked "OK" actually owns the computer?) Violation would be prime facie evidence of criminal trespass and violation of whatever hacking laws exist in your jurisdiction, as well as acknowledgement and agreement to pay your attorney's fees.
Unless in the military or government (as previously mentioned), the only way I see to have a lifetime career in IT is to make a technology indispensable in the organization, make certain the technology is never updated, and to become the subject matter expert on that technology.
Example: Our firm uses several PDP-8s (circa mid-1960's design). One person who's been here for 30 years takes great pride in being able to maintain that equipment. He even showed me how he fabricated a replacement for a part that's no longer available.
Companies that update their technology will often update their personnel as well. Think about it - workers who have been on the job not only generally are paid more than college grads, but if the company wants them to be happy and productive, they have to pay for recurrent training. Alternatively, they can hire college grads that cost less and have paid for their own training.
Granted, new grads are generally lacking in maturity and judgment that a more experienced worker would have, but companies are looking at next quarters results - who cares about maturity and judgment?
Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...
that suicide is painless
It brings many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
"Suicide is Painless" Music by Johnny Mandel Lyrics by Mike Altman
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I'm surprised at the little/. attention paid to the aspect of fraud. This is a criminal offense as well as a civil one. Granted, you're not likely to find a lot of sympathy at your local District Attorney's office (unless you find a lawyer who's also a LOTR fan). You have been defrauded, and even if the theatre agreed to exchange your tickets, the passage of time between the originally promised showing time and whenever the showing would be for a replacement ticket means you were still injured.
If you're looking for something to do during your break, I'd visit the DA or police and ask to file a criminal complaint. Mention the number of other prospective people that could have been scammed. This is a business, which means they have to have a business license. Send a copy of your criminal complaint to whoever registers businesses (usually the Secretary of State for your state) and whoever issues business licenses (usually the municipal government). Send a copy to the theatre district office (if they are a chain).
The suggestion to contact the Weights and Measures certification folks is a good one as well. Look for their sticker on the butcher's scales at a grocery or the gasonline pump next time you fill up if you can't find them any other way.
This could well be a troll, as it portrays management as incompetent, is theoretically believable, and places the IT Pilotfish in the role of downtrodden hero.
If it is a troll, it's very well done!
In the days of BBSing, people would post the phone number of someone they didn't like as a BBS number (if they were really vindictive, they'd post it world-wide). The target would ultimately have to change their phone number to avoid the calls. What happened to your friend is a more modern version. It happens, more often than we'd like, but it happens. There isn't much one can do about it - even the./ moderation system isn't perfect.
The forum logs may not give you evidence of who the perpetrator was. You can challenge the forum host/moderator to step forward, remove the offending posts, and ban the poster, but there are no guarantees. Business is like that. Maybe it's not Michael Moore who's after your friend, and maybe it's not justified, but if you're in business, somewhere, sometime, someone is going to vent their frustrations at you.
Have your friend post a cogent, civil response. Ask the forum moderators to be more proactive if you're so inclined. Then get on with business.
If your friend's business is doing well enough to afford an attorney to look into this, be thankful, but there are better things to spend that money on. If he/she can't afford an attorney, there are more important things for your friend to be spending his/her time on.
The Portland, Oregon Biznix group meets at the local Novell office training room. It seats about 20-30 people. Biznix is ostensibly an all-flavors Unix support group, but proably 85%+ of the discussion centers on Linux.
This situation of strange bedfellows probably has a lot to do with the fact that the founder had also founded a Novell user group. The Novell group no longer exists, but the founder had a lot of credibility with the local Novel folks and is still on good terms with them.
But who will have standing to file the complaint? It seems like the only one with recourse would be if one person bought both programs. Even then, most shrinkwrap licenses absolve themselves of any responsibility.
Having just finished Crypto by Stephen Levy over spring break, it was a pleasant surprise to see Whit Diffie's name in the news. I wouldn't make too much of the statement however.
There were a lot of different pressure points that finally caused the government to relax crypto export controls. Open source software played a part to be sure, even if it had to be printed on paper and then scanned back in again to get around the arcane export restrictions. (I don't recall if it was Stanford or MIT that actually did just that - printed source code in a font intended to be easily scanned, so it could be sent out of the country. Judges understood the First Amendment applies to paper...)
But don't forget there were a lot of others with a dog in this fight. Microsoft was not the least of them, as its foreign customers wanted strong crypto. Lotus worked very hard to get crypto into early versions of Notes and needed the export market to make the product viable. Overseas development companies were starting to provide the strong crypto that U.S. companies couldn't, and both the crypto developers like RSA and the big Microsoft gorilla's didn't like that they were grounded by Big Brother.
Phil Zimmermann did his part, to be sure. The question is, was his great contribution the fact that PGP was open source, or was it that it was uploaded onto servers where there were no "safeguards" to prevent downloading to non-US locations? The open nature of the code my have made the program attractive from the standpoint of allowing independent verification that there were no back doors, but I'm not convinced that alone was PGP's greatest contribution.
And before we all break an arm patting ourselves on the back, are we overstating the importance of strong crypto in general? Of the "billions and billions" of bytes flowing around the Internet, let alone corporate networks, how much is encrypted? With the exception of e-commerce transactions, precious little. In a society where one can be a voyeur in any fast food outlet listening to cell phone conversations conducted in the open with no semblance of security, it shouldn't be too surprising.
Yes, I'm glad we have strong crypto, but it will be a long time before any significant portion of the population will be using it with regularity.
There is a reall tit-for-tat nature to these Internet "criminal" proceedings that seems to have gone unnoticed. It reminds me of an old programming joke/definition:
Recursive: See Recursive
Would it be reasonable to assume that on some newspaper stand in Australia one could find a newspaper published and printed in the USA that's been imported into Australia? Who's liable the case of defamation under that scenario - the author, the importer, the newsstand, none of the above, or any/all of the above?
Others have pointed out attempts to enforce laws based on where the wires that carry the traffic are located. Yet in the USA at least, we've absolved the wire owners of liability for content.
Then there's the case of Dmitry Sklyarov, arrested in the USA for doing something in another country that is legal in that country.
Point being: Legislation is a horrendously (and in most cases, thankfully) slow process. It will be years, perhaps scores of years, before meaningful, cogent legislation addressing the global Internet is signed and passes legal scrutiny. Until then (and maybe even afterwards) if our litigious society continues to litigate these matters, it's quite possible that so many people will be under indictment in various countries as to start impacting world travel. Globalization will collapse and the world will start to look very isolationist.
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I suppose then that you are taking a position similar to the phyicists in the late 1950's who said bumblebees can't fly because their wingspan was insufficient to support the mass of their bodies? (Bumblebes, not understanding physics, fly anyway.)
How else to you explain the SR-71 Blackbird that's been flown for at least 30 years at Mach 3?
No one's mentioned Dark Star (1974)? It was the (then) first of a new genre of space movies, breaking the Buck Rogers mold (remember that Star Trek was only a "flopped TV series" at the time). Supposedly the modest success of this low budget film gave movie industry execs enough confidence that Fox agreed to proceed with some thing called "Star Wars".
Setting aside for the moment whether this is a good idea or not, what happens when it's hacked?
Prosecutor: Members of the Jury, the defendent used the 13-year old girl's tracking phone to determine the best time and place to abduct her...
Another case of technology being used to solve one problem, only to create one that's worse.
Forget Oregon. Unemployment is the highest in the country. Doonesbury is doing a series next week on the financial problems for Oregon's schools. Teachers in Portland are threatening to strike because of the pay cuts being proposed.
The high-tech bust has left many people unemployed, and for many of those, their unemployment compensation including two extensions has run out. The local (Portland) rag runs periodic articles on how bad things are and what people are doing about it. Many have moved out of state. Last Sunday there was this article on high tech workers trying to get jobs waiting tables - and being turned down. When employers advertise jobs they are swamped with resumes; most don't even bother to send out rejection notices anymore.
Legislative gridlock is preventing any meaningful action, and the reforms that have been sent to the voters have all been turned down because the Legislature has no credibility.
Virginia is the "birthplace of the internet"
I thought Al Gore was from Tennessee...
Don't tell them about submarines!. Imagine the explosive combinations!
May I please have a Congress without Pork?
--
Suppose I were a member of Congress, and suppose I were an idiot. But I repeat myself. - Mark Twain.
This has caused me a great deal of consternation over the years.
Mom's brother always went by his middle name, and used his first initial only for his legal signature. (I'm not certain if that was his choice or my grandparents.) Mom thought "J. Scott" would be a nice signature, and so I was named John Scott. I have never in my life been called anything other than Scott by my family.
Fast-forward a few decades. Databases that accept only first name, middle initial (all required fields). Systems (like my employers) who require using a login based on first name/last name. The government wants all three names, and will then never let go of "John".
At one time I was thinking of legally changing my first name to an initial only (J.) after my parents died. Going through the job hunting gig of late, with all the attendant forms, I may not wait that long.
I think many of the ./ posters are missing the point. This isn't about Lexus/Nexus and Westlaw being denied reasonable profits. It's about using their near-monopoly to set prices and purchase terms that are at odds with the public interest. Some insight is buried in Lexus response: "although none of the plans would allow her to do what she wanted to do -- give unlimited, unmediated access in multiple locations to the LexisNexis legal information service at an unrealistic price."
./'ers are a bit of a hypocritical bunch...
Ms. Barr was not asking for unlimited access, although concurrent access is not a popular option for commercial software publishers these days. More importantly, she was asking for unmediated access - which Lexus evidently feels is inappropriate for the unwashed masses.
How is this different from the RIAA flexing it's muscle to stop file sharing? Aren't those also copyrighted works? Aren't the record publishers also entitled to reasonable profits? (Yes, I'm playing the devil's advocate here.) It's seems the
A bit dated, referring to floppy disks and config.sys, but wonderful nonetheless (and still accurate):
h tm
I bought a new computer,
It cost two thousand pound;
But every time I switch it on
I keeps on falling down.
I used to think it was my friend
Now it drives me round the bend;
You'd be surprised the time
I spend Reinstalling Windows.
I switch it on; what is this?
Something wrong with config.sys;
This isn't my idea of bliss,
Reinstalling Windows.
I want to share my printers and
I want to share my files,
I want to share my anger 'cos
It drives me bloomin' wild.
Load disk four, oh what fun!
It says it helps you get things done;
Every day now everyone's
Reinstalling Windows.
Load disk ten; it will say
All you do is plug and play
Why do I spend every day
Reinstalling Windows?
It can't find my printer
It can't locate my mouse;
The other day it told me that
They were in some other house.
Still unplugged, still unplayed,
E-mailed God in search of aid
He's far too busy I'm afraid
Reinstalling Windows.
Up at dawn for one more try;
Does it work? Can pigs fly?
How do I expect to die?
Reinstalling Windows.
It doesn't like my modem and
Detests all CD-ROMs;
let's see if the setup wizard
Recognizes bombs.
I used to like a drink or three;
No time now, don't call for me;
I'm going to spend eternity
Reinstalling Windows
This version shamelessly lifted from http://www.davesfunstuff.com/demento/14art200201.
To expand on this a little, when Supton says, "Folio was the default search engine for Netware", I believe he is referring to Netware's interactive help system. A FREE viewer came with the database. It might be worth a shot if you have access to any Novell 3/4 documentation on CD to try pointing that viewer at your dataset.
Regarding the poster's original dilema, the question boils down to this: Are you an "At-Will" employee? The at-will doctrine says that you can be fired for good reason, bad reason, no reason at all, or even an immoral reason, so long as the reason does not discriminate against a protected class (race, color, creed, religion, national origin, sexual preference, yadda, yadda, yadda).
So the fact that the poster has already been hired (he didn't say if he was enticed to quit another job, which might have some bearing), if he is an at-will employee, the company can, and probably will decide that they don't want his services if he doesn't agree to the background check. Here's a link (there are others) that explains at-will employment in more detail.
I recently completed my CISSP certification training and the subject of background checks for system administrators was discussed at some length. The recommended process is not only to do pre-employment credit / background / criminal record checks, but to also do them on a recurring basis (suggested annually).
The theory is that you don't want someone who has virtually unlimited access to the company's and employee's information who has personal problems out side work. At the very least, you want to know about those problems as soon as possible.
Remember the news story a couple of months ago about the identity theft ring that was rooted at a help desk? These were relatively low-level employees, but they had access to very sensitive information, and they took advantage of their position. I don't know that a background or credit check would have turned up anything, but companies are attempting to protect themselves by taking "reasonable steps", in the eyes of the law, to vet their employees.
All that said, I'm not thrilled about ongoing background checks. At a minimum, I would want to know that those doing the checking have themselves been checked.
Others have debated the pros and cons of Priceline.com. For a good synopsis, as well as *awesome* tips on how to use Priceline, checkout the Bidding for Travel Forum. It IS possible to submit mutiple bids, figure out the absolute lowest price, and avoid problems. They also have link to Priceline good for $10 off per airline ticket and $25 off vacation packages.
I would be interesting to add a "feature" to a browser that would notify adware/spyware/parasites that prior written consent was required before installing any software on your system, irregardless of any users' acceptance of terms. (Whose to say the user who clicked "OK" actually owns the computer?) Violation would be prime facie evidence of criminal trespass and violation of whatever hacking laws exist in your jurisdiction, as well as acknowledgement and agreement to pay your attorney's fees.
Unless in the military or government (as previously mentioned), the only way I see to have a lifetime career in IT is to make a technology indispensable in the organization, make certain the technology is never updated, and to become the subject matter expert on that technology.
Example: Our firm uses several PDP-8s (circa mid-1960's design). One person who's been here for 30 years takes great pride in being able to maintain that equipment. He even showed me how he fabricated a replacement for a part that's no longer available.
Companies that update their technology will often update their personnel as well. Think about it - workers who have been on the job not only generally are paid more than college grads, but if the company wants them to be happy and productive, they have to pay for recurrent training. Alternatively, they can hire college grads that cost less and have paid for their own training.
Granted, new grads are generally lacking in maturity and judgment that a more experienced worker would have, but companies are looking at next quarters results - who cares about maturity and judgment?
SF Bay? Here I thought we were talking about a Flying Sub
Surely I'm not the only one old enough to remember "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea"? (Que sonar pings and violin intro...
Obligatory response...
Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...
that suicide is painless
It brings many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
"Suicide is Painless" Music by Johnny Mandel Lyrics by Mike Altman
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That is all...
I'm surprised at the little /. attention paid to the aspect of fraud. This is a criminal offense as well as a civil one. Granted, you're not likely to find a lot of sympathy at your local District Attorney's office (unless you find a lawyer who's also a LOTR fan). You have been defrauded, and even if the theatre agreed to exchange your tickets, the passage of time between the originally promised showing time and whenever the showing would be for a replacement ticket means you were still injured.
If you're looking for something to do during your break, I'd visit the DA or police and ask to file a criminal complaint. Mention the number of other prospective people that could have been scammed. This is a business, which means they have to have a business license. Send a copy of your criminal complaint to whoever registers businesses (usually the Secretary of State for your state) and whoever issues business licenses (usually the municipal government). Send a copy to the theatre district office (if they are a chain).
The suggestion to contact the Weights and Measures certification folks is a good one as well. Look for their sticker on the butcher's scales at a grocery or the gasonline pump next time you fill up if you can't find them any other way.
This could well be a troll, as it portrays management as incompetent, is theoretically believable, and places the IT Pilotfish in the role of downtrodden hero. If it is a troll, it's very well done!
In the days of BBSing, people would post the phone number of someone they didn't like as a BBS number (if they were really vindictive, they'd post it world-wide). The target would ultimately have to change their phone number to avoid the calls. What happened to your friend is a more modern version. It happens, more often than we'd like, but it happens. There isn't much one can do about it - even the ./ moderation system isn't perfect.
The forum logs may not give you evidence of who the perpetrator was. You can challenge the forum host/moderator to step forward, remove the offending posts, and ban the poster, but there are no guarantees. Business is like that. Maybe it's not Michael Moore who's after your friend, and maybe it's not justified, but if you're in business, somewhere, sometime, someone is going to vent their frustrations at you.
Have your friend post a cogent, civil response. Ask the forum moderators to be more proactive if you're so inclined. Then get on with business.
If your friend's business is doing well enough to afford an attorney to look into this, be thankful, but there are better things to spend that money on. If he/she can't afford an attorney, there are more important things for your friend to be spending his/her time on.
The Portland, Oregon Biznix group meets at the local Novell office training room. It seats about 20-30 people. Biznix is ostensibly an all-flavors Unix support group, but proably 85%+ of the discussion centers on Linux.
This situation of strange bedfellows probably has a lot to do with the fact that the founder had also founded a Novell user group. The Novell group no longer exists, but the founder had a lot of credibility with the local Novel folks and is still on good terms with them.
But who will have standing to file the complaint? It seems like the only one with recourse would be if one person bought both programs. Even then, most shrinkwrap licenses absolve themselves of any responsibility.
Having just finished Crypto by Stephen Levy over spring break, it was a pleasant surprise to see Whit Diffie's name in the news. I wouldn't make too much of the statement however.
There were a lot of different pressure points that finally caused the government to relax crypto export controls. Open source software played a part to be sure, even if it had to be printed on paper and then scanned back in again to get around the arcane export restrictions. (I don't recall if it was Stanford or MIT that actually did just that - printed source code in a font intended to be easily scanned, so it could be sent out of the country. Judges understood the First Amendment applies to paper...)
But don't forget there were a lot of others with a dog in this fight. Microsoft was not the least of them, as its foreign customers wanted strong crypto. Lotus worked very hard to get crypto into early versions of Notes and needed the export market to make the product viable. Overseas development companies were starting to provide the strong crypto that U.S. companies couldn't, and both the crypto developers like RSA and the big Microsoft gorilla's didn't like that they were grounded by Big Brother.
Phil Zimmermann did his part, to be sure. The question is, was his great contribution the fact that PGP was open source, or was it that it was uploaded onto servers where there were no "safeguards" to prevent downloading to non-US locations? The open nature of the code my have made the program attractive from the standpoint of allowing independent verification that there were no back doors, but I'm not convinced that alone was PGP's greatest contribution.
And before we all break an arm patting ourselves on the back, are we overstating the importance of strong crypto in general? Of the "billions and billions" of bytes flowing around the Internet, let alone corporate networks, how much is encrypted? With the exception of e-commerce transactions, precious little. In a society where one can be a voyeur in any fast food outlet listening to cell phone conversations conducted in the open with no semblance of security, it shouldn't be too surprising.
Yes, I'm glad we have strong crypto, but it will be a long time before any significant portion of the population will be using it with regularity.
There is a reall tit-for-tat nature to these Internet "criminal" proceedings that seems to have gone unnoticed. It reminds me of an old programming joke/definition:
Recursive: See Recursive
Would it be reasonable to assume that on some newspaper stand in Australia one could find a newspaper published and printed in the USA that's been imported into Australia? Who's liable the case of defamation under that scenario - the author, the importer, the newsstand, none of the above, or any/all of the above?
Others have pointed out attempts to enforce laws based on where the wires that carry the traffic are located. Yet in the USA at least, we've absolved the wire owners of liability for content.
Then there's the case of Dmitry Sklyarov, arrested in the USA for doing something in another country that is legal in that country.
Point being: Legislation is a horrendously (and in most cases, thankfully) slow process. It will be years, perhaps scores of years, before meaningful, cogent legislation addressing the global Internet is signed and passes legal scrutiny. Until then (and maybe even afterwards) if our litigious society continues to litigate these matters, it's quite possible that so many people will be under indictment in various countries as to start impacting world travel. Globalization will collapse and the world will start to look very isolationist.