But my feeling is: Windows 7 will suffer the same fate that Vista did. It will be still XP in all major Corporates; where they will erase the pre-installed Windows7 and install XP using the Corporate licenses. Software developers will continue to support XP atleast for the next 4 years.
By which time, the OS on the desktop will be irrelevant siince Netbooks will completely change the dynamics of the OS market. It will not be a stretch to predict that Linux will establish itself within the next 4 years in all Corporates where people exect their devices to boot instantly and work reliably consuming less resources like mobile phones.
They will be running IE for a grand total of 30 seconds, rendering a local web page, until they choose their prefered browser.
Not true. Even after installing a different browser, IE will continue to remain in the system, providing a safe haven for viruses, worms etc. making the system insecure.
Where's the need for a browser just to choose and download another? Why not just ftp?
"Their code needed lots of work to get to normal Linux coding style acceptance, that's nothing new. It did take over 200 patches to get their code into reasonable shape, which is a bit excessive," he said. Microsoft did not contribute to the patching effort.
Normal Linux coding style: 10 START 20 GET JOB DONE 30 STOP
Microsoft coding style: 10 START 11 IF $OS=Vista, Sleep 10 12 IF $OS=XP, Sleep 5 13 IF $OS=Windows 7, Sleep 2 14 IF $Customer_Uses_Linux=true, Sleep 100...... 20 GET JOB DONE 21 IF $OS=Windows, STOP 22 IF $Customer_uses_Linux=true, CRASH 30 Profit
The same pattern repeated hundreds of times in all code. It takes a lot of effort to cleanup to Linux standards, no wonder!
Maybe, but why is Microsoft (Sam Ramji) trying to take credit by making a good-sounding statement? If MS' legal team catches a Windows pirate and he reforms after 5 months, will they be applauding said pirate?
*No plans* means *No Business Reason to shift away from XP* which was the same with Vista. Where I work, we have over 700 systems of which just 3 run Vista and that too for testing purposes. The majority are on XP and Win2K. For the BPO, Vista is a no-go because audio controller hardware does not work with Vista. For the hospital, Vista does not support our PACS software (from GE), so we remain with XP.
With Windows 7, we have tested and found out that neither the BPO nor the hospital can work, even under the so-called XP mode. So we have *No Plans* as well.
The only thing full of crap is the people who spout 'vista is bad' without actually using it.
Nonsense. Vista is synonymous to crap of the best quality. At a hospital where I consult, none of the software developed by companies like GE and Siemens work under Vista. Hardware like foot-pedals and audio controllers no longer work. The situation is the same with Windows 7 as well.
Where I work, we have over a 1,000 desktops; and my current (3-yr old) laptop has 512MB RAM and runs Windows XP and Office 2000 quite fine. Unfit for Vista as well as Windows 7.
The Asus EEE PC when it launched featured 512MB of RAM as well. Before they slept with the devil, that is.
netbook; it comes with 2GB of ram and a 160 GB hard drive...
When netbooks first launched, the config was more like 512MB RAM and 4GB Solid State Drive. The spec you have stated is more a Notebook config; not Netbook.
When a new vendor who is not bribed by Microsoft comes up with true Netbooks, Linux will win and Windows 7 will lose out.
All the positive media hype notwithstanding.... 7 will receive the same response from the user community as did Vista. Bloatware... just not suitable for Netbooks.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
Of course, I am not that cynical. I was taught to never assume malice where incompetence would be the simpler explanation. But the degree of incompetence needed to explain SP2's poor ODF support boggles the mind and leads me to further uncharitable thoughts. So I must stop here.
When Vista was launched and no one adopted it in a big way... it was, like: This is what happened when XP got released...it will be okay when SP2 comes out. And now, Vista has well and truly bombed in Corporate Circles and now Windows 7 is coming up. Given that it is Vista SP3; it will receive the same response from Corporates despite XP running in Virtual mode; because the XP will not have direct access to hardware and old software will still be broken.
So what do the MS shills have to say now? If Vista is the greatest selling OS, why is a successor launched so soon? If newer h/w vendors come up with Netbooks running Linux or ARM-based h/w; how will MS respond?
Seriously! When the EEE PC came on the scene, Microsoft was forced to dump Vista and go back to the old Windows XP and release a Service Pack to make it work. And likewise Downgrade Rights from Vista to XP.... which is now continuing with Windows 7 to XP as well.
And now, Windows 7 actually consumes lesser resources and is faster on the same hardware, compared to the previous version Vista. This has happened not because of the regulators, but the market realities. And likewise, the success of Firefox has made the different releases of IE and artificial restrictions of OS versions and IE versions meaningless in the market.
Honestly I cannot imagine a single useful thing achieved by these regulators. Better wind the whole organisation up and move on.
Exchange works with any IMAP email client, but the email admins need to manually enable IMAP on the Exchange server.
This has to be done on a per-mailbox basis and cannot be done system-wide. But even if IMAP is enabled, Exchange 2007 breaks with Thunderbird, but works well with Outlook Express however. It does indeed appear that Thunderbird was broken beyond repair with 2007.
The question I ask is, "Will Thunderbird 4 or SeaMonkey 3 support Exchange's default MAPI protocol?" That way, Mozilla email clients can work with any Exchange server.
MAPI is a proprietary API and it is nonsensical to expect Mozilla to support MAPI. It is like asking Blender to move away from OGL to work with the Direct X 10 quicksand. Working with proprietary protocols has never benefitted the users, and keeps them fragmented and divided for ever. It will soon resemble the messy multiple.doc and.docx saga we are seeing with Office. Which MAPI will Mozilla support? What if the API changes without notice, in a Service Pack, breaking it yet again.... the worls is better off supoporting IMAP than MAPI.
I've used Thunderbird with Exchange 2007 with no problems.
I don't believe this. With Thunderbird, Exchange 2007 simply refuses to work at all. The reason I tried using Thunderbird was to compose HTML mail on Linux desktops, and it was a miserable failure. OWA Lite is a very poor buggy cousin of OWA which works even on IE6, but not on FF3!
Exchange Server 2007 gave the bird to Thunderbird. Will Server 2010 support Thunderbird or Seamonkey? Or will Linux desktops be second class citizens in an Exchange Server corporate setup?
Even faster than Windows XP, most of the incentive to downgrade is gone and it'll just be a shrinking market.
Think of the corporates... the types who buy HP (branded) hardware. In many corporates, the incentive to downgrade (upgrade, actually) to XP is because the existing software that runs perfectly on XP continues to run on new hardware with XP. Since the fundamental requirement fails with Vista and Windows 7; the fact that Windows 7 is faster or slower compared to XP is really not the issue here.
The only thing I can think of is driver compatibility for that random device that they don't have Vista driver for yet or just something unsupported since then.
We have a call center in India and it needs a foot-pedal and a VB-based s/w to work. This works perfectly in Win2K, with some tweaks in XP and totally fails under Vista. Unless MS has returned to the XP driver model and s/w compatibility model with Windows 7; it is not even an option for corporates. They will stick with XP and h/w mfrs will have to provide h/w that is compatible with and drivers for XP.
Also, even big-name vendors like GE, Vepro and E-film are yet to release PACS workstation s/w that works with Vista... a full 2 years since Vista has arrived. Since Windows 7 appears to be Vista SP3, corporates will have to stick to XP for the time being. Maybe forever, or undertake to replace all the infrastructure and appln. software with Vista-compatible ones with zero improvement in productivity - just to stay in the same place. Many corporates I know of are looking at Linux software and web-based software alternatives very seriously.
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But my feeling is: Windows 7 will suffer the same fate that Vista did. It will be still XP in all major Corporates; where they will erase the pre-installed Windows7 and install XP using the Corporate licenses. Software developers will continue to support XP atleast for the next 4 years.
By which time, the OS on the desktop will be irrelevant siince Netbooks will completely change the dynamics of the OS market. It will not be a stretch to predict that Linux will establish itself within the next 4 years in all Corporates where people exect their devices to boot instantly and work reliably consuming less resources like mobile phones.
They will be running IE for a grand total of 30 seconds, rendering a local web page, until they choose their prefered browser.
Not true. Even after installing a different browser, IE will continue to remain in the system, providing a safe haven for viruses, worms etc. making the system insecure.
Where's the need for a browser just to choose and download another? Why not just ftp?
Not an accord.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091007105147454#comments
"Their code needed lots of work to get to normal Linux coding style acceptance, that's nothing new. It did take over 200 patches to get their code into reasonable shape, which is a bit excessive," he said. Microsoft did not contribute to the patching effort.
Normal Linux coding style:
10 START
20 GET JOB DONE
30 STOP
Microsoft coding style: .. .. ..
10 START
11 IF $OS=Vista, Sleep 10
12 IF $OS=XP, Sleep 5
13 IF $OS=Windows 7, Sleep 2
14 IF $Customer_Uses_Linux=true, Sleep 100
20 GET JOB DONE
21 IF $OS=Windows, STOP
22 IF $Customer_uses_Linux=true, CRASH
30 Profit
The same pattern repeated hundreds of times in all code. It takes a lot of effort to cleanup to Linux standards, no wonder!
Google must be Really Evil (TM) to incur the wrath of Microsoft and the FSF at the same time!
We are regularly charged top prices for drugs, Windows software
But Windows is like drugs.... the first sample is free; then the fleecing begins.
will they wake up and fight for abolishing software patents. Good to see....
Senior manager for product marketing Xavier Lauwaert stated that the QA engineers did this to make the systems more resilient against malicious code.
If they don't like Windows XP they can say so. Calling it malicious code will piss off Microsoft no end.
Maybe, but why is Microsoft (Sam Ramji) trying to take credit by making a good-sounding statement? If MS' legal team catches a Windows pirate and he reforms after 5 months, will they be applauding said pirate?
For failing to release the code under GPL for a period of 5 months after they were notified of the violation? Will the SFLC do anything about it?
*No plans* means *No Business Reason to shift away from XP* which was the same with Vista. Where I work, we have over 700 systems of which just 3 run Vista and that too for testing purposes. The majority are on XP and Win2K. For the BPO, Vista is a no-go because audio controller hardware does not work with Vista. For the hospital, Vista does not support our PACS software (from GE), so we remain with XP.
With Windows 7, we have tested and found out that neither the BPO nor the hospital can work, even under the so-called XP mode. So we have *No Plans* as well.
The only thing full of crap is the people who spout 'vista is bad' without actually using it.
Nonsense. Vista is synonymous to crap of the best quality. At a hospital where I consult, none of the software developed by companies like GE and Siemens work under Vista. Hardware like foot-pedals and audio controllers no longer work. The situation is the same with Windows 7 as well.
Vista SP3 PLUS Marketing hype PLUS Lipstick on a Pig... doesn't make it much faster.
My guess is that XP will live a long long while on Netbooks at least.
but really who runs computers with 512 MB of RAM?
Where I work, we have over a 1,000 desktops; and my current (3-yr old) laptop has 512MB RAM and runs Windows XP and Office 2000 quite fine. Unfit for Vista as well as Windows 7.
The Asus EEE PC when it launched featured 512MB of RAM as well. Before they slept with the devil, that is.
netbook; it comes with 2GB of ram and a 160 GB hard drive...
When netbooks first launched, the config was more like 512MB RAM and 4GB Solid State Drive. The spec you have stated is more a Notebook config; not Netbook.
When a new vendor who is not bribed by Microsoft comes up with true Netbooks, Linux will win and Windows 7 will lose out.
All the positive media hype notwithstanding.... 7 will receive the same response from the user community as did Vista. Bloatware... just not suitable for Netbooks.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
Of course, I am not that cynical. I was taught to never assume malice where incompetence would be the simpler explanation. But the degree of incompetence needed to explain SP2's poor ODF support boggles the mind and leads me to further uncharitable thoughts. So I must stop here.
from the referenced article....
http://www.robweir.com/blog/
Surprisingly MS has decided to implement ODF in their own strange way, but OOXML is still not available.... why??
When Vista was launched and no one adopted it in a big way... it was, like: This is what happened when XP got released.. .it will be okay when SP2 comes out. And now, Vista has well and truly bombed in Corporate Circles and now Windows 7 is coming up. Given that it is Vista SP3; it will receive the same response from Corporates despite XP running in Virtual mode; because the XP will not have direct access to hardware and old software will still be broken.
So what do the MS shills have to say now? If Vista is the greatest selling OS, why is a successor launched so soon? If newer h/w vendors come up with Netbooks running Linux or ARM-based h/w; how will MS respond?
Seriously! When the EEE PC came on the scene, Microsoft was forced to dump Vista and go back to the old Windows XP and release a Service Pack to make it work. And likewise Downgrade Rights from Vista to XP.... which is now continuing with Windows 7 to XP as well.
And now, Windows 7 actually consumes lesser resources and is faster on the same hardware, compared to the previous version Vista. This has happened not because of the regulators, but the market realities. And likewise, the success of Firefox has made the different releases of IE and artificial restrictions of OS versions and IE versions meaningless in the market.
Honestly I cannot imagine a single useful thing achieved by these regulators. Better wind the whole organisation up and move on.
Exchange works with any IMAP email client, but the email admins need to manually enable IMAP on the Exchange server.
This has to be done on a per-mailbox basis and cannot be done system-wide. But even if IMAP is enabled, Exchange 2007 breaks with Thunderbird, but works well with Outlook Express however. It does indeed appear that Thunderbird was broken beyond repair with 2007.
The question I ask is, "Will Thunderbird 4 or SeaMonkey 3 support Exchange's default MAPI protocol?" That way, Mozilla email clients can work with any Exchange server.
MAPI is a proprietary API and it is nonsensical to expect Mozilla to support MAPI. It is like asking Blender to move away from OGL to work with the Direct X 10 quicksand. Working with proprietary protocols has never benefitted the users, and keeps them fragmented and divided for ever. It will soon resemble the messy multiple .doc and .docx saga we are seeing with Office. Which MAPI will Mozilla support? What if the API changes without notice, in a Service Pack, breaking it yet again.... the worls is better off supoporting IMAP than MAPI.
I've used Thunderbird with Exchange 2007 with no problems.
I don't believe this. With Thunderbird, Exchange 2007 simply refuses to work at all. The reason I tried using Thunderbird was to compose HTML mail on Linux desktops, and it was a miserable failure. OWA Lite is a very poor buggy cousin of OWA which works even on IE6, but not on FF3!
Exchange Server 2007 gave the bird to Thunderbird. Will Server 2010 support Thunderbird or Seamonkey? Or will Linux desktops be second class citizens in an Exchange Server corporate setup?
That's the only feature of interest to me...
MS paying money for patents that do not have any effect on Linux technologies.
Even faster than Windows XP, most of the incentive to downgrade is gone and it'll just be a shrinking market.
Think of the corporates... the types who buy HP (branded) hardware. In many corporates, the incentive to downgrade (upgrade, actually) to XP is because the existing software that runs perfectly on XP continues to run on new hardware with XP. Since the fundamental requirement fails with Vista and Windows 7; the fact that Windows 7 is faster or slower compared to XP is really not the issue here.
The only thing I can think of is driver compatibility for that random device that they don't have Vista driver for yet or just something unsupported since then.
We have a call center in India and it needs a foot-pedal and a VB-based s/w to work. This works perfectly in Win2K, with some tweaks in XP and totally fails under Vista. Unless MS has returned to the XP driver model and s/w compatibility model with Windows 7; it is not even an option for corporates. They will stick with XP and h/w mfrs will have to provide h/w that is compatible with and drivers for XP.
Also, even big-name vendors like GE, Vepro and E-film are yet to release PACS workstation s/w that works with Vista... a full 2 years since Vista has arrived. Since Windows 7 appears to be Vista SP3, corporates will have to stick to XP for the time being. Maybe forever, or undertake to replace all the infrastructure and appln. software with Vista-compatible ones with zero improvement in productivity - just to stay in the same place. Many corporates I know of are looking at Linux software and web-based software alternatives very seriously.