1. SCO could be picked up by Sun, since the latter has a better image in the market. That could give a boost to the battered image of SCO.
2. More and more, there seems to be some Coke-Pepsi posturing, with MS and Windows pitted against Sun& Unix. Linux is too well entrenched for such a thing to work.
3. All the firms who've picked up a stake so far in the Unix code patent have been American firms. This could be the beginning of some polarisation, where all important IP is within the US. This could have serious repercussions for firms like Fujitsu, Siemens etc. who aren't based in the US.
The saving grace: Any number of firms (SCO, Sun etc.) haven't managed to achieve a small fraction of the success which Linux has done - on the Intel platform. It appears too late now for anyone to rollback on the spectacular progress made by Linux.
If Sun does indeed pick up stakes in SCO, they'd be hated more than Microsoft - if ever that would be possible.
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Anyone who can kick SCO in the butt, should've created code that kicks ass! More later, after d/l.
Looking at the plethora of video cards with differing amounts of VRAM, performance specs, drivers for Linux, stability problems with Windows (especially newer OS versions and Service Packs which often make video drivers unstable), I've got a suggestion.
Why not make a commodity video card with about 8MB video RAM (a Mattrox 8MB card out-performed a 32MB S3 hands down), and a stable open-source Linux driver? Will this lead to commoditisation of the video card and drive all other mfrs to imitate?
The biggest challenge comes from those who lose when a particular model succeeds. Proprietary, closed-source, cash-strapped, IP wielding firms who employ (litigious bastards -to quote Slashdot) are bigger challenges.
Not to mention being branded communists, success haters, neo-terrorists, non-conformists, traitors etc.
The fact that Open Source succeeds despite all the above does indeed speak very highly of it's underlying strength of purpose and motivation.
Sometime back, we read NASA withdrew funding for DARPA, IIRC. What's so compelling for NASA to pump more funds into SETI? Some kind of social engineering at work here, methinks.
It's ironic, but NASA seems to be getting more attention after a spectacular failure (Colombia disaster)
I'm inclined to think someone sent a heavy load of dope to the editors here - for testing, probably. Possible explains why interesting stories such as MS withdrawing stock options, and the EMC buyout of Legato aren't getting any attention.
Instead we have 2-month old SCOries and dupes. Oh well..
" And viruses don't "exploit bugs" at all. They simple append their code into a file (usually the beginning) or into a file (unused code, etc) and then "point" the program to run that code. "
Great.. now can you explain why Unix systems in general are immune to virus infection as well as attacks?
Let's leave aside all the neo-terrorists and success-haters hypotheses aside.
Wish I had mod points... ouch! by the time I hit Reply, your post seems to have gone fown a notch! Looks like/. has some sort of arrangement with SCO, to promote FUD around here.
Your earlier post, linked above, is 2 months old (??) Very curious indeed.
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I see very little sense in imagining all sorts of things and reading thru all sorts of notes, briefs and voluminous snippets. Isn't it SCO's job to do this, and tell the court (in the matter of their IBM case), the 1,500 corporates (to whom they sent the infamous letters) or the Linux crowd (whom they point fingers at without sufficient prrof or data)?
Why should/.ers pore into these details every day? It almost appears as if we are doing all the legwork for SCO. Let SCO do all the imagining, when they say something - then, let's debate it over here.
No, I don't. To put things in perspective, a virus is actually a software exploit of a bug in the OS and components. Immunity to a s/w virus does not mean deleting the instance or occurence of the virus, it means correcting the code which caused the virus to work in the first place!
We've been conditioned into thinking that viruses are external to the OS and can't be prevented, only cured by yet another piece of s/w. It's difficult to appreciate the sloppiness of code that gets passed thru generations of Windoze without fixing of bugs.
In short, I don't mean "Built-in anti-virus software" but "Removal of bugs in code with each new code version atleast".
During every upgrade to a new Windows OS, we are advised to run a check for file viruses using anti-virus s/w. It's a tragedy that software exploits are described as viruses and linked to terrorists and success-haters. Why can't MS make newer releases of their OSes atleast immune to known viruses and the associated vulnerabilities???
Every new release of s/w causes some code to break - a game here, a dll there, an application and so forth. The only thing that runs well on all flavours of MS OSes from DOS to XP is viruses!
It's easier to obfuscate and profitable as well, apparently.
More attention that warranted seems to be the issue with laptops these days. So long as laptops run Windoze, what's earth-shatteringly different between different models? The true worth of laptops could be about $400 (what HP offered Thailand). Anything much above that is just waste of money.
Rather than cooling, why not work towards standardizatrion on laptops. The power supply for these gizmos range from 8.6V AC to 33.4V DC. Power supply connectors come in all fancy pinouts and crazy designs.
The lesser the laptops, the better it is for the environment. laptops break down more often thsan desktops (13.5 times more often actually) and are often ir-reparable, or too cost prohibitive. It's time there was legislation requiring standards on all laptops - those that didn't conform ought to be banned outright. This is a classic case of capitalism screwing global interests for a few dollars more.
How come? If Corporate America decided to go Subscription Advantage, and National Security mandated that all users upgrade to the latest version of Windoze, then that could be suicidal. The only thing that currently runs on all flavors of Windows is... guess what? Viruses, and mostly without recoding ot recompiling.
XP : full form eXPee - fermented urine; sewage. NT : Not Trustworthy - for MS, that is. MicroSoft: A microscopic, kind-hearted organisation..Net : Used to catch.Fish; also undefined, nebulous technology. DRM: Digital Restrictions Managaement TCPA: Treacherous Computing Platform Alliance SCO : short for SCOurge; root of all evil. XML : eXtremely Munged Language. GNU : Great New Unix
" And you can bet your dictator trodden ass... Well I say, "FUCK THAT!""
For a responsible parent governed by a democracy, your language is too violent. something wrong with either you, or your government. Hypocrisy, maybe.
"And in regards to you other idiotic statements..."
See.. tolerance (even to contrary viewpoints) seems to be one of your lesser virtues.
"I suppose thats why most of the spam I receive come from relays in China, Indonesia, Thialand, etc... I will grant you that it is mostly Westerners using these open relays "
And yet you can't see that you're being a hypocrite?? The problem is not with open relays etc.. most Easterners are peace loving, and wouldn't resort to violence or guns despite rising costs, unemployment etc. By nature, most of them are peaceable. I was once amazed at the depth of knowledge exhibited by Slashdotters on an article on MP3 on rifle magazines - so many seemed to know about guns, rifles, magazines, pitch, bore, etc.. it was a scary thought.
"The value of state censorship"... yeah, you hang onto that it'll be worth a lot one day..."
And yet, brilliant thinkers, scientists, philosophers, politicians etc. have risen from the East. Why, every day in the US, there's some kind of revolt against Asians robbing 'intelligent' jobs from the West. Freedom is good in the hands of those who respect and value it - censorship tends to move people towards alternate avenues for enjoyment - and these are normally much better.
"OTOH, what has Corporate America done to prevent spam and porn from reaching kids?
Erm, lots actually, like MAPS, a myriad of other porn blocking tools, content filtering and huge time and effort spend at companies like AOL to stop this stuff. Not to mention lots of legislation. I work at network provider, and can tell you - you really really are clueless if don't reallise how many millions have been spent trying to stop people abusing the system."
Just read what you've written- again. This time, think "Has the thing worked? Despite these dollars and efforts and legislation, do kids and adults still have access to porn and spam?". Now, think what a simple legislation "All spam must be marked ADV:; and all porn must be registered under.adult; people who violate these laws, including ads etc. will be jailed and fined $10,000 for each offence" This is the difference between the West and the East. Westerners are busy DEALING with problems, not solving them. Easterners generally LIVE with problems (often created by the Western counterparts - Freon, Ozone, GM foods, viruses, spam etc) or SOLVE them ruthlessly at little expense.
"You can't do it because there is no world government to enforce it and we (in the largely liberal, non vail wearing, not averse to porn countries - those which make up the majority of internet users) don't care enough about it to collaborate to achive it"
I understood China imposed censorship within it's nteworks using technology from the US - this proves that the govt can actually prevail to a large extent if it does want to SOLVE a problem. Youseem to be happy with a govt that DEALS with problems for an indefinite length of time, and you seem to be happy with LipService. Good for you.
Why can't there be a simple legislation requiring all adult content to be registered under a.adult domain? Simple - the firms making money over porn wouldn't stand for it
Hell I wouldn't stand for it. You can't do it because there is no world government to enforce it and we (in the largely liberal, non vail wearing, not averse to porn countries - those which make up the majority of internet users) don't care enough about it to collaborate to achive it. But you don't like that answer I'll wager.
Would you cool off a bit? Okay.. good. I rather liked your rejoinders to my other posts in the same article. Thanks.
Okay now, what I'm hypothesising is this: Folks who get exposed to Linux generally think more, and better. Reasons: 1. GNU / Linux is more programmable, flexible and 'experimental'. It's what a kid likes - lots of things to learn, and lots to experiment. 2. MSware, OTOH is 'closed' proprietary and controlled. Kids hate all of the above. Some years back, I taught kids a few MSDOS commands - and they were very curious to learn commands, batch files, and a few even played with the serial ports using the built-in mode commands. Now, a kid needs Visual Studio.Net and WiXPPRO to get lesser freedom as compared to Linux. 3. There's immense variety in product offerings in Linux - browsers, file managers, games, etc. Kids like to play around with a many toys as possible - and they don't exactly want to download these toys - they like it in their distro CD.
I understand your emotion and feelings on this matter. Rudyard Kipling said "East and West.. the twain shall never meet." I recommend his book Kim for your immense reading delight. I understand this book, written in 1904 is beyond copyright, and is avbl for free, over the web.
" that most of the.Net technology is still there in some shape of form but its the Marketing strategy that has failed miserably"
You've got is backwards..Net is a marketing strategy - they're still figuring it out. The technology will happen if they do figure it out. Else, it'll die out like Hailstorm.
Kid: But there's nothing on.Net!!! Joe ServicePack: I think only wise folks can u'stand.Net MCSE:.Net rocks GNUist:.Net?.Not.. Microsoft: We're betting our ass. IBM: Your ass is grass. Sun: Java's the way.
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1. SCO could be picked up by Sun, since the latter has a better image in the market. That could give a boost to the battered image of SCO.
2. More and more, there seems to be some Coke-Pepsi posturing, with MS and Windows pitted against Sun& Unix. Linux is too well entrenched for such a thing to work.
3. All the firms who've picked up a stake so far in the Unix code patent have been American firms. This could be the beginning of some polarisation, where all important IP is within the US. This could have serious repercussions for firms like Fujitsu, Siemens etc. who aren't based in the US.
The saving grace: Any number of firms (SCO, Sun etc.) haven't managed to achieve a small fraction of the success which Linux has done - on the Intel platform. It appears too late now for anyone to rollback on the spectacular progress made by Linux.
If Sun does indeed pick up stakes in SCO, they'd be hated more than Microsoft - if ever that would be possible.
Anyone who can kick SCO in the butt, should've created code that kicks ass! More later, after d/l.
Looking at the plethora of video cards with differing amounts of VRAM, performance specs, drivers for Linux, stability problems with Windows (especially newer OS versions and Service Packs which often make video drivers unstable), I've got a suggestion.
Why not make a commodity video card with about 8MB video RAM (a Mattrox 8MB card out-performed a 32MB S3 hands down), and a stable open-source Linux driver? Will this lead to commoditisation of the video card and drive all other mfrs to imitate?
Just wondering...
The biggest challenge comes from those who lose when a particular model succeeds. Proprietary, closed-source, cash-strapped, IP wielding firms who employ (litigious bastards -to quote Slashdot) are bigger challenges.
Not to mention being branded communists, success haters, neo-terrorists, non-conformists, traitors etc.
The fact that Open Source succeeds despite all the above does indeed speak very highly of it's underlying strength of purpose and motivation.
If it's good, widely accepted, and works well - don't fix it. Open Source, GPL etc. should fit into this category.
Sometime back, we read NASA withdrew funding for DARPA, IIRC. What's so compelling for NASA to pump more funds into SETI? Some kind of social engineering at work here, methinks.
It's ironic, but NASA seems to be getting more attention after a spectacular failure (Colombia disaster)
" Is this just one step closer to a merging of the entertainments?"
No. The real step will come when Linux runs on the XBoz without any modchips, and MS sells them for $50. Then, entertainments would merge, for sure.
I'm inclined to think someone sent a heavy load of dope to the editors here - for testing, probably. Possible explains why interesting stories such as MS withdrawing stock options, and the EMC buyout of Legato aren't getting any attention.
Instead we have 2-month old SCOries and dupes. Oh well..
" And viruses don't "exploit bugs" at all. They simple append their code into a file (usually the beginning) or into a file (unused code, etc) and then "point" the program to run that code. "
Great.. now can you explain why Unix systems in general are immune to virus infection as well as attacks?
Let's leave aside all the neo-terrorists and success-haters hypotheses aside.
Wish I had mod points... ouch! by the time I hit Reply, your post seems to have gone fown a notch! Looks like /. has some sort of arrangement with SCO, to promote FUD around here.
Your earlier post, linked above, is 2 months old (??) Very curious indeed.
I see very little sense in imagining all sorts of things and reading thru all sorts of notes, briefs and voluminous snippets. Isn't it SCO's job to do this, and tell the court (in the matter of their IBM case), the 1,500 corporates (to whom they sent the infamous letters) or the Linux crowd (whom they point fingers at without sufficient prrof or data)?
/.ers pore into these details every day? It almost appears as if we are doing all the legwork for SCO. Let SCO do all the imagining, when they say something - then, let's debate it over here.
Why should
Peace.
"Do you mean "built-in antivirus software"
No, I don't. To put things in perspective, a virus is actually a software exploit of a bug in the OS and components. Immunity to a s/w virus does not mean deleting the instance or occurence of the virus, it means correcting the code which caused the virus to work in the first place!
We've been conditioned into thinking that viruses are external to the OS and can't be prevented, only cured by yet another piece of s/w. It's difficult to appreciate the sloppiness of code that gets passed thru generations of Windoze without fixing of bugs.
In short, I don't mean "Built-in anti-virus software" but "Removal of bugs in code with each new code version atleast".
During every upgrade to a new Windows OS, we are advised to run a check for file viruses using anti-virus s/w. It's a tragedy that software exploits are described as viruses and linked to terrorists and success-haters. Why can't MS make newer releases of their OSes atleast immune to known viruses and the associated vulnerabilities???
Every new release of s/w causes some code to break - a game here, a dll there, an application and so forth. The only thing that runs well on all flavours of MS OSes from DOS to XP is viruses!
It's easier to obfuscate and profitable as well, apparently.
More attention that warranted seems to be the issue with laptops these days. So long as laptops run Windoze, what's earth-shatteringly different between different models? The true worth of laptops could be about $400 (what HP offered Thailand). Anything much above that is just waste of money.
Rather than cooling, why not work towards standardizatrion on laptops. The power supply for these gizmos range from 8.6V AC to 33.4V DC. Power supply connectors come in all fancy pinouts and crazy designs.
The lesser the laptops, the better it is for the environment. laptops break down more often thsan desktops (13.5 times more often actually) and are often ir-reparable, or too cost prohibitive. It's time there was legislation requiring standards on all laptops - those that didn't conform ought to be banned outright. This is a classic case of capitalism screwing global interests for a few dollars more.
" This has nothing to do with Windows or Linux."
How come? If Corporate America decided to go Subscription Advantage, and National Security mandated that all users upgrade to the latest version of Windoze, then that could be suicidal. The only thing that currently runs on all flavors of Windows is... guess what? Viruses, and mostly without recoding ot recompiling.
Perfect recipe for national disaster, I repeat.
national infrastructure? I mean, if I knew Verizon and AOL were the main providers of services for a firm, how does that affect national security?
And incidentally, this could be a good thing for Linux. An entire country operating on a single flavor of Windows, is the perfect recipe for disaster.
XP : full form eXPee - fermented urine; sewage. .Net : Used to catch .Fish; also undefined, nebulous technology.
NT : Not Trustworthy - for MS, that is.
MicroSoft: A microscopic, kind-hearted organisation.
DRM: Digital Restrictions Managaement
TCPA: Treacherous Computing Platform Alliance
SCO : short for SCOurge; root of all evil.
XML : eXtremely Munged Language.
GNU : Great New Unix
" And you can bet your dictator trodden ass ... Well I say, "FUCK THAT!""
For a responsible parent governed by a democracy, your language is too violent. something wrong with either you, or your government. Hypocrisy, maybe.
"And in regards to you other idiotic statements..."
See.. tolerance (even to contrary viewpoints) seems to be one of your lesser virtues.
"I suppose thats why most of the spam I receive come from relays in China, Indonesia, Thialand, etc... I will grant you that it is mostly Westerners using these open relays "
And yet you can't see that you're being a hypocrite?? The problem is not with open relays etc.. most Easterners are peace loving, and wouldn't resort to violence or guns despite rising costs, unemployment etc. By nature, most of them are peaceable. I was once amazed at the depth of knowledge exhibited by Slashdotters on an article on MP3 on rifle magazines - so many seemed to know about guns, rifles, magazines, pitch, bore, etc.. it was a scary thought.
"The value of state censorship"... yeah, you hang onto that it'll be worth a lot one day..."
And yet, brilliant thinkers, scientists, philosophers, politicians etc. have risen from the East. Why, every day in the US, there's some kind of revolt against Asians robbing 'intelligent' jobs from the West. Freedom is good in the hands of those who respect and value it - censorship tends to move people towards alternate avenues for enjoyment - and these are normally much better.
"Eh? What's this? A gas grill??!! WTF?
Oh...it was just a Sears ad for bikini's."
If such an ad was indeed pornoraphic, the foll. would be fined, jailed and publicly rebuked:
The advertiser of said bikini.
The particular brand
The site carrying the ad
The product used to promote the ad.
Extreme maybe, but needed to stop extreme perverts.
"OTOH, what has Corporate America done to prevent spam and porn from reaching kids?
.adult; people who violate these laws, including ads etc. will be jailed and fined $10,000 for each offence" This is the difference between the West and the East. Westerners are busy DEALING with problems, not solving them. Easterners generally LIVE with problems (often created by the Western counterparts - Freon, Ozone, GM foods, viruses, spam etc) or SOLVE them ruthlessly at little expense.
.adult domain? Simple - the firms making money over porn wouldn't stand for it
Erm, lots actually, like MAPS, a myriad of other porn blocking tools, content filtering and huge time and effort spend at companies like AOL to stop this stuff. Not to mention lots of legislation. I work at network provider, and can tell you - you really really are clueless if don't reallise how many millions have been spent trying to stop people abusing the system."
Just read what you've written- again. This time, think "Has the thing worked? Despite these dollars and efforts and legislation, do kids and adults still have access to porn and spam?".
Now, think what a simple legislation "All spam must be marked ADV:; and all porn must be registered under
"You can't do it because there is no world government to enforce it and we (in the largely liberal, non vail wearing, not averse to porn countries - those which make up the majority of internet users) don't care enough about it to collaborate to achive it"
I understood China imposed censorship within it's nteworks using technology from the US - this proves that the govt can actually prevail to a large extent if it does want to SOLVE a problem. Youseem to be happy with a govt that DEALS with problems for an indefinite length of time, and you seem to be happy with LipService. Good for you.
Why can't there be a simple legislation requiring all adult content to be registered under a
Hell I wouldn't stand for it. You can't do it because there is no world government to enforce it and we (in the largely liberal, non vail wearing, not averse to porn countries - those which make up the majority of internet users) don't care enough about it to collaborate to achive it. But you don't like that answer I'll wager.
Would you cool off a bit? Okay.. good. I rather liked your rejoinders to my other posts in the same article. Thanks.
Okay now, what I'm hypothesising is this: Folks who get exposed to Linux generally think more, and better. Reasons:
1. GNU / Linux is more programmable, flexible and 'experimental'. It's what a kid likes - lots of things to learn, and lots to experiment.
2. MSware, OTOH is 'closed' proprietary and controlled. Kids hate all of the above. Some years back, I taught kids a few MSDOS commands - and they were very curious to learn commands, batch files, and a few even played with the serial ports using the built-in mode commands. Now, a kid needs Visual Studio.Net and WiXPPRO to get lesser freedom as compared to Linux.
3. There's immense variety in product offerings in Linux - browsers, file managers, games, etc. Kids like to play around with a many toys as possible - and they don't exactly want to download these toys - they like it in their distro CD.
Have a good day.
"And no one can decide what is "adult" content or not. What I think it is might be different from what you think."
In Eastern societies, this decision is left to the govt. And normally, they do a good job of deciding.
I understand your emotion and feelings on this matter. Rudyard Kipling said "East and West.. the twain shall never meet." I recommend his book Kim for your immense reading delight. I understand this book, written in 1904 is beyond copyright, and is avbl for free, over the web.
Good day.
" that most of the .Net technology is still there in some shape of form but its the Marketing strategy that has failed miserably"
.Net is a marketing strategy - they're still figuring it out. The technology will happen if they do figure it out. Else, it'll die out like Hailstorm.
You've got is backwards.
Kid: But there's nothing on .Net!!! .Net .Net rocks .Net? .Not..
Joe ServicePack: I think only wise folks can u'stand
MCSE:
GNUist:
Microsoft: We're betting our ass.
IBM: Your ass is grass.
Sun: Java's the way.