Microsoft got some support Thursday from the likely Republican nominee for president, Texas Gov. George W. Bush, who said on the PBS "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer" that he hopes the government doesn't "ruin this company" in seeking a breakup. "I hope the judge would keep in mind that this company is an important part of the technological revolution taking place in America." His Democratic challenger, Vice President Al Gore, has largely steered clear of the case, saying the legal process should run its course.
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-520279.html?legacy= zd nn
If we wanted standards why aren't we all using anaconda, kudzu, kickstart. All were the best before other distro's got into the game with thier own tools. Many distro's already use some of this software but nobody wanted to show red hat was the innovater so they started thier own projects, now those projects are almost, or just as good but look at all that wasted effort when we could have standards for hardware detection, installation and configuration deployment. All three of these tools would be non-issues today, debian, suse, mandrake all on the same page. What is the point of GPL if we don't use it. It's too late now, everyones tools are on par with YaSt that want to be.
I question how much they've been selling cause Mandrake Soft surely wouldn't have had a close shave with bankruptcy if HP was throwing even a bit of its weight behind it.
Funny, I see the oppisite.
When a company is doing well we start a PR monster to kill them and prop up some #2 guy as the savior. Anyone who makes money == bad.
On of my favorite things is to put those spider mines on the vehicles then as someone drives the truck they jump off and get you frags =)
Another tip I heard from an UNreal developer on techtv is when you use the heat seeking missles don't lock on till the last second so people can't dodge.
This is the most fun i've had since quake 1 i'm actually going to buy this game!
The US had not declared war against the USSR, yet commited acts of sabotage and assassination against Russian targets. Doesn't that make the CIA and the US regiem terrorists?
You don't think they shot down planes? Stole secret information from us (how they got the bug in the first place)And many other things. If M$ put a bug in windows that would disable pirated software (doing it)does that mean they need to have to get the president of the united states to sign an "act of war clause" because some cheap/criminal government might use it to build a hospital
get your head out of your ass moderators. These guys were using OUR tax dollars to fund the distruction of OUR country and you guys have the balls to be pissed at Americans? This anti-american bullshit has gone too far.
This isn't too shocking, isn't LBJ the guy who whipped it out and pissed on a secret serviceman's leg just cause he was president and felt like it?
A man like that shouldn't have a problem knocking off his boss. Hell id do my boss for free.
Apparently not that bad, how do you think we found out they were stealing and what they were stealing? a russian came to our side for 'political' reasons and gave us _everything_. the amount of information and detail was shocking.
RBAC, MAC, ACL, extensible, malware-scan (virus protection on kernel ('access') level), network protection, other methods (FF,...) and whatever you wish
This breaks the Linus rule or we'd probably be using RSBAC. If it slows us down or breaks compatibility he conciders this broken code and sends it back to you.
Anyhow, don't tell me SeLinux is better because.. it would cause a flame-thread only...
This code is, has been, and will be some of the most highly scrutinized code. Especially by foreign governments and security shops seeking to learn from some of the more brighter minds the US has to offer. If anything is found it would be a national, global incident and make the NSA look very, very bad. No way they do that. A back door would be found nearly immediatly and they know it. c'mon now could you imagine the headlines? "NSA attempts to control the world" Even our other government agencies would whip some ass. Since NASA, the Navy, and many others use Linux itself.
What kinds of changes in SELinux would be NOT welcome in mainstream Linux distros?
1.) anything that breaks compatibility will be rejected
2.) anything that slows the kernel down will be rejected.
Security isn't linus's highest priority unless it can be achieved seamlessly, And nobody wants to break away from mainline kernel compatibility. Except the nitch people Adamantix, SElinux itself and a couple others. That's why Red Hat pushed for SElinux in 2.6 so hard and has employees who package SElinux and exec-shield for Debian. A great change for Linux indeed.
I think the U.S. (or someone) had a general that would bury the muslim fighters in pig guts to instill fear in them. After all it is the only thing they are afraid of we have to use it to win
Put bags of pigs blood on israeli busses, put it at check points in iraq, if these twisted people want to blow us up, going to hell is thier price. see how long they play this game when we bury thier remains in pigshit and bacon bits. It's harsh but effictive.
Let's see, I'd say the handful of boxed releases I bought from them at $50 a piece helped a bit. I guess not as much as I thought though.
Too bad you get your information from slashdot comments or you'd know RHPW is $49.94 from staples, you saved 6 cents! HOW DARE THEY! bastards!
http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?Page Type=1&Sku=521660&bcFlag=True&bcCatId=0&bcCatName= &bcClassId=140504&bcClassName=Operating+System s
My point was netfilter is not owned by the EU, how come they are the only ones that benifit from the settlement, shouldn't it be someone who does work in all countrys? If linksys violated GPL code then was asked to put money in a company only working in the US how would you take it?
I don't have all the facts here as to what the EU companys do thats why I asked "what am i missing" in hopes someone informed would reply.
They violate GPL code in netfilter and have to pay only for the EU? What about the rest of us? IPtables had a developer or two who are not from Europe you know? Is the EU really doing an US against them to America or what? this hardly seems fair to me.
yes "we" would but women don't seem to care about that, They want the expensive ones no matter how much blood is on them.
If i sound bitter you're probably right but I just don't get this double standard with women. Save the trees, but kill africans so i can have a little trinket.
Wowee. Four [fedora.us] mirrors on this continent. Looks like this whole Fedora apt thing is really taking off.
dont you mean this mirror list? The one you posted is a 3rd party repository. That has nothing to do with apt-get's adoption it has to do with fedora.us adoption.
Wow. They're giving the zero service box-pusher channel 50 points. The best deal Red Hat would give me direct was $89. Add trolling the CDWs of the world for price quotes to the annual Red Hat ownership ritual.
well, whatever. fact remains its $49 and I was right, not sure what you're trying to spin here.
"yes" Matthew Szulik said "the desktop was unatainable"
From the very article you posted:
"However, Szulik expects Linux to be ready in a couple of years after it has had time to mature."
they are hiring desktop people as i've pointed out.
They started freedesktop.org. They wrote the HIG guidelines for gnome, They have 24/7 development on gnome. Does this sound like a company throwing away the desktop market to you? Matthews quote explicitly said it was his _opnion_ it was not ready yet and gave his reasons:
"Microsoft has been delivering a desktop product now for almost 14 or 15 years, ever since it introduced Windows, and that is the expectation that most customers in the marketplace have about ease of use, about function," said Matthew Szulik, Red Hat's chairman and CEO, in Bangalore, India, on Friday. "So for Red Hat to move into the consumer marketplace means that we have to exceed that expectation, and that will take time."
"We don't want the user getting frustrated in understanding why the search does not work, or can't find files, or finding that the joystick for their games does not work correctly, all of which ultimately will turn that desktop user back to the competitive alternative," Szulik said.
If you mean me as in The Linux Community, then on all our behalf, you're welcome. In case you've forgotten, Red Hat did not write Linux.
I'm aware Red Hat didn't write linux, but even you have to admit they blaze a few trails and lead in my areas. If you don't admit it that's fine too I will not list them.
I gave Red Hat a couple of hundred RHN subscriptions, including all of my personal systems and the rest from among my employer and client base, all for doing what a Gentoo user does every time he installs a system (kludging packages together) and keeping an update server running.
And you can not afford $10 extra per-box this year? RHPW is still $60 per year for updates and only $10 more for the box.
Except for the small matter of Fedora being a screaming train wreck.
Could you explain please? Personally I can see a few things that sucked, A few bugs, etc. The way I see fedora is the first release was kinda slammed together quickly "here it is!" but it really wasn't ready IMO. Documentation, Guidelines, Repositories. Nobody was ready for it so some snags ensued. And FC2 is going to have 2.6 kernel, apt-get and SElinux so I expect more snags here, But FC3? FC4? the biggest things we are likely to see is KDE/GNOME like things. Once the kernel and the Fedora project itself have Ironed out thier flaws I expect Fedora to be an excellent distro for a long time.
A distro with a real package management system makes customization and maintenance a lot less of a problem.
apt-get isn't a good package management system? Debian users would disagree. Take away apt from dpkg and what do you have? the same problem RPM does without yum, or apt-get. This is the part where I wonder if you've even tried Fedora.
Actually, it's more like $90. After the discount. For a system whose concept Red Hat said was untenable a few weeks ago (desktop Linux). What will they say next week? Will it sound like "Guess what, you, your employer, and all your customers are fucked. Have a nice day."
Nah more like $49.94
They said the "desktop was unatainable" wow I never got that memo, do you have a link? It looks
like they're hiring desktop people to me http://www.redhat.com/about/careers/boston/
On the Desktop thing, if you honestly think our mothers, and local hardware store owners are just fine on KDE you're flat wrong, the Desktop is great for us, or secretarys people with some technical abilitys. But for your average gamer and solitare player? c'mon man..
yes and if you had fedora you'd type:
yum -y install SDL_sound-devel
Which would fetch everything for you. No time
compiling either. I love seeing an offtopic post that is also wrong get modded up makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
1.) Rawhide
2.) Test 1
3.) Test 2
4.) Test 3
5.) Released Product
The End product is basically stable but having various bugs for a certain hardware or certain feature that was missed in the previous months of testing. IN FC1 yum had a bug, and there was a bug that didn't allow clean shutdowns in SMP kernels every once in a while. Stuff like that. Things that don't happen everytime but for some people sometimes it does.
Slashdot Mirror
Microsoft got some support Thursday from the likely Republican nominee for president, Texas Gov. George W. Bush, who said on the PBS "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer" that he hopes the government doesn't "ruin this company" in seeking a breakup. "I hope the judge would keep in mind that this company is an important part of the technological revolution taking place in America." His Democratic challenger, Vice President Al Gore, has largely steered clear of the case, saying the legal process should run its course.
= zd nn
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-520279.html?legacy
If we wanted standards why aren't we all using anaconda, kudzu, kickstart. All were the best before other distro's got into the game with thier own tools. Many distro's already use some of this software but nobody wanted to show red hat was the innovater so they started thier own projects, now those projects are almost, or just as good but look at all that wasted effort when we could have standards for hardware detection, installation and configuration deployment. All three of these tools would be non-issues today, debian, suse, mandrake all on the same page. What is the point of GPL if we don't use it. It's too late now, everyones tools are on par with YaSt that want to be.
I question how much they've been selling cause Mandrake Soft surely wouldn't have had a close shave with bankruptcy if HP was throwing even a bit of its weight behind it.
Funny, I see the oppisite.
When a company is doing well we start a PR monster to kill them and prop up some #2 guy as the savior. Anyone who makes money == bad.
On of my favorite things is to put those spider mines on the vehicles then as someone drives the truck they jump off and get you frags =) Another tip I heard from an UNreal developer on techtv is when you use the heat seeking missles don't lock on till the last second so people can't dodge. This is the most fun i've had since quake 1 i'm actually going to buy this game!
Thats all real nice of you to kick around bullshit but the explosion being talked about occured in the Summer of 1982.
The US had not declared war against the USSR, yet commited acts of sabotage and assassination against Russian targets. Doesn't that make the CIA and the US regiem terrorists?
You don't think they shot down planes? Stole secret information from us (how they got the bug in the first place)And many other things. If M$ put a bug in windows that would disable pirated software (doing it)does that mean they need to have to get the president of the united states to sign an "act of war clause" because some cheap/criminal government might use it to build a hospital
get your head out of your ass moderators. These guys were using OUR tax dollars to fund the distruction of OUR country and you guys have the balls to be pissed at Americans? This anti-american bullshit has gone too far.
This isn't too shocking, isn't LBJ the guy who whipped it out and pissed on a secret serviceman's leg just cause he was president and felt like it?
A man like that shouldn't have a problem knocking off his boss. Hell id do my boss for free.
Apparently not that bad, how do you think we found out they were stealing and what they were stealing? a russian came to our side for 'political' reasons and gave us _everything_. the amount of information and detail was shocking.
RBAC, MAC, ACL, extensible, malware-scan (virus protection on kernel ('access') level), network protection, other methods (FF,...) and whatever you wish
This breaks the Linus rule or we'd probably be using RSBAC. If it slows us down or breaks compatibility he conciders this broken code and sends it back to you.
Anyhow, don't tell me SeLinux is better because.. it would cause a flame-thread only...
So why tell us RSBAC is better?
This code is, has been, and will be some of the most highly scrutinized code. Especially by foreign governments and security shops seeking to learn from some of the more brighter minds the US has to offer. If anything is found it would be a national, global incident and make the NSA look very, very bad. No way they do that. A back door would be found nearly immediatly and they know it. c'mon now could you imagine the headlines? "NSA attempts to control the world" Even our other government agencies would whip some ass. Since NASA, the Navy, and many others use Linux itself.
What kinds of changes in SELinux would be NOT welcome in mainstream Linux distros?
1.) anything that breaks compatibility will be rejected
2.) anything that slows the kernel down will be rejected.
Security isn't linus's highest priority unless it can be achieved seamlessly, And nobody wants to break away from mainline kernel compatibility. Except the nitch people Adamantix, SElinux itself and a couple others. That's why Red Hat pushed for SElinux in 2.6 so hard and has employees who package SElinux and exec-shield for Debian. A great change for Linux indeed.
I think the U.S. (or someone) had a general that would bury the muslim fighters in pig guts to instill fear in them. After all it is the only thing they are afraid of we have to use it to win
Put bags of pigs blood on israeli busses, put it at check points in iraq, if these twisted people want to blow us up, going to hell is thier price. see how long they play this game when we bury thier remains in pigshit and bacon bits. It's harsh but effictive.
Let's see, I'd say the handful of boxed releases I bought from them at $50 a piece helped a bit. I guess not as much as I thought though.
e Type=1&Sku=521660&bcFlag=True&bcCatId=0&bcCatName= &bcClassId=140504&bcClassName=Operating+System s
Too bad you get your information from slashdot comments or you'd know RHPW is $49.94 from staples, you saved 6 cents! HOW DARE THEY! bastards! http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?Pag
Good point.
K, thanks that cleared things up a bit.
My point was netfilter is not owned by the EU, how come they are the only ones that benifit from the settlement, shouldn't it be someone who does work in all countrys? If linksys violated GPL code then was asked to put money in a company only working in the US how would you take it? I don't have all the facts here as to what the EU companys do thats why I asked "what am i missing" in hopes someone informed would reply.
ah yes, modded as flaimbait, I should have known.
what i ment to say ways "great job this is perfect!"
They violate GPL code in netfilter and have to pay only for the EU? What about the rest of us? IPtables had a developer or two who are not from Europe you know? Is the EU really doing an US against them to America or what? this hardly seems fair to me.
lol you guys crack me up!
hahahaha
yes "we" would but women don't seem to care about that, They want the expensive ones no matter how much blood is on them.
If i sound bitter you're probably right but I just don't get this double standard with women. Save the trees, but kill africans so i can have a little trinket.
Wowee. Four [fedora.us] mirrors on this continent. Looks like this whole Fedora apt thing is really taking off.
dont you mean this mirror list? The one you posted is a 3rd party repository. That has nothing to do with apt-get's adoption it has to do with fedora.us adoption.
Wow. They're giving the zero service box-pusher channel 50 points. The best deal Red Hat would give me direct was $89. Add trolling the CDWs of the world for price quotes to the annual Red Hat ownership ritual.
well, whatever. fact remains its $49 and I was right, not sure what you're trying to spin here.
"yes" Matthew Szulik said "the desktop was unatainable"
From the very article you posted:
"However, Szulik expects Linux to be ready in a couple of years after it has had time to mature."
they are hiring desktop people as i've pointed out.
They started freedesktop.org. They wrote the HIG guidelines for gnome, They have 24/7 development on gnome. Does this sound like a company throwing away the desktop market to you? Matthews quote explicitly said it was his _opnion_ it was not ready yet and gave his reasons:
"Microsoft has been delivering a desktop product now for almost 14 or 15 years, ever since it introduced Windows, and that is the expectation that most customers in the marketplace have about ease of use, about function," said Matthew Szulik, Red Hat's chairman and CEO, in Bangalore, India, on Friday. "So for Red Hat to move into the consumer marketplace means that we have to exceed that expectation, and that will take time."
"We don't want the user getting frustrated in understanding why the search does not work, or can't find files, or finding that the joystick for their games does not work correctly, all of which ultimately will turn that desktop user back to the competitive alternative," Szulik said.
If you mean me as in The Linux Community, then on all our behalf, you're welcome. In case you've forgotten, Red Hat did not write Linux.
I'm aware Red Hat didn't write linux, but even you have to admit they blaze a few trails and lead in my areas. If you don't admit it that's fine too I will not list them.
I gave Red Hat a couple of hundred RHN subscriptions, including all of my personal systems and the rest from among my employer and client base, all for doing what a Gentoo user does every time he installs a system (kludging packages together) and keeping an update server running.
And you can not afford $10 extra per-box this year? RHPW is still $60 per year for updates and only $10 more for the box.
Except for the small matter of Fedora being a screaming train wreck.
Could you explain please? Personally I can see a few things that sucked, A few bugs, etc. The way I see fedora is the first release was kinda slammed together quickly "here it is!" but it really wasn't ready IMO. Documentation, Guidelines, Repositories. Nobody was ready for it so some snags ensued. And FC2 is going to have 2.6 kernel, apt-get and SElinux so I expect more snags here, But FC3? FC4? the biggest things we are likely to see is KDE/GNOME like things. Once the kernel and the Fedora project itself have Ironed out thier flaws I expect Fedora to be an excellent distro for a long time.
A distro with a real package management system makes customization and maintenance a lot less of a problem.
apt-get isn't a good package management system? Debian users would disagree. Take away apt from dpkg and what do you have? the same problem RPM does without yum, or apt-get. This is the part where I wonder if you've even tried Fedora.
Actually, it's more like $90. After the discount. For a system whose concept Red Hat said was untenable a few weeks ago (desktop Linux). What will they say next week? Will it sound like "Guess what, you, your employer, and all your customers are fucked. Have a nice day."
Nah more like $49.94
They said the "desktop was unatainable" wow I never got that memo, do you have a link? It looks like they're hiring desktop people to me http://www.redhat.com/about/careers/boston/
On the Desktop thing, if you honestly think our mothers, and local hardware store owners are just fine on KDE you're flat wrong, the Desktop is great for us, or secretarys people with some technical abilitys. But for your average gamer and solitare player? c'mon man..
yes and if you had fedora you'd type:
yum -y install SDL_sound-devel Which would fetch everything for you. No time compiling either. I love seeing an offtopic post that is also wrong get modded up makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
1.) Rawhide
2.) Test 1
3.) Test 2
4.) Test 3
5.) Released Product
The End product is basically stable but having various bugs for a certain hardware or certain feature that was missed in the previous months of testing. IN FC1 yum had a bug, and there was a bug that didn't allow clean shutdowns in SMP kernels every once in a while. Stuff like that. Things that don't happen everytime but for some people sometimes it does.