I'm glad you have a cool toy to play with. At any rate, those of us who evangelized for years against hostile management to get Red Hat where they are don't have time for toys.
It's nice to see you taking credit for Red Hat's success and I commend you for building my favorite distro.
If people like you are responsible for "getting red hat where they are" Then they wouldn't abandon you because you gave them money. But its obvious the product you pushed for at work was a free download and you didn't give red hat a f***ing thing now you are pissed they are giving you something back that has 2 months shorter release cycle. but has the added benifit of:
1.) install everywhere and anywhere without problems or restrictions.
2.) Have a chance to put your own packages in
3.) Decide the direction of your distro by having 1 on 50 discussions with the developers.
4.) No RHN to sign up for 'yum -y update'
5.) Set up your own local repositories.
I bought RHPW for $50 and will probably pay for updates the next 3 years ($60). But all it does is sit there serving my homepage. The distro I spend 4 hours a day on is Fedora. Debian might be nice but I have used Red Hat for years and like it, so why switch? when I had the free RHL they send out questionairs asking what direction id like to see linux go and I always choose this split of products. I think many others did aswell and that is why we have what we have. People like you are not a majority or this move would have never happend. I hope you enjoy Debian, Gentoo, SuSe as much as I enjoy Fedora then we can all be happy again.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2004 -February/msg00175.html
Alan Cox said early on they thought about using Debian instead of making fedora but there were reasons they didn't.
By saying he's never rebooted he just told us his machines do not have kernel updates and are vulnerable to about 10 security holes.
We need to figure a way around this. It sounds impossible and maybe it is which is too bad for enterprise customers.
I wonder how politicized this report is. Here we are, Bush is taking heat on the same thing that doomed his daddy: the economy. Not to mention that we're neck deep in the election cycle.
I wonder if you hope the Economy tanks so you can blame Bush in an election year. There seems to be alot of people worried when the economy starts looking better.. why is that? Shouldn't we be happy? Or we should only be happy when its from the _other_ corrupt party?
after all it IS an election year and that isn't just for politicions. Why vote once when you can spead FUD in public forums and get people to vote for you.
I'm not letting you mod down an AC take my +2 and work for your job to silence my minority opnion.
No mydoom doesn't need admin
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1514997,00.as p
read the second page, specifically:
"
In Windows, though, any user can always act as root for their machine's core programs and MyDoom uses this opening to add %system%/shimgapi.dll, %temp%/Message and %system%/taskmon.exe. Taskmon.exe is a core Windows 98 family file, and Windows lets a user-level program change this, or in the case of the NT/2000/XP family, add this file! This is security at its worse. "
my doom works even if you're not root (admin)
"MyDoom uses this opening to add %system%/shimgapi.dll, %temp%/Message and %system%/taskmon.exe. Taskmon.exe is a core Windows 98 family file, and Windows lets a user-level program change this, or in the case of the NT/2000/XP family, add this file! This is security at its worse."
The most important thing is to let people know we don't approve of the actions taken by creators of these viree.
show them we do not approve? Slashdot is seens as the voice of OSS to many people and when the story first broke all we seen was "they deserve it" || "i'll have to load up my windows boxes to help this effort" all as +5's. Many people DO agree with this kiddie virus writer and the mod points were proof its not only one guy.
If we want to show how we denounce such behaviour how about publishing a story on how to get rid of it instead of how they deserve it?
So not only is is Fedora unstable with a horrid development model but its especially bad if you care about security?
1.) I've never had a fedora crash (except when I tried to install 2.6 kernel
2.) it has exec-shield stack protection enabled by default but its less secure than your precious debian who got owned last month right? if they used exec-shiled that brk() exploit would have failed (yes i know debian will have it soon, thank ingo who works at redhat for that).
I'll never run Debian not cause of its quality but because of its childish group of users who piss me off with blind zealotry.
Now that I've vented I want to pose a question. Would you rather pay $0 and have a distro. or have people pay $174 to a company that pays people around the clock to:
maintain GTK+
wrote/maintain orbit
Anaconda (which has been ported to debian and others)
freedesktop.org
Kudzu (did knoppix thank them?)
rpm
gcc
glibc
exec-shield
selinux
X/x.org
open nvidia drivers
opens GPL software from propritairy companys they buy out. (see selestia)
notice a trend here or shall I continue? I'm not just using an OS today, I'm investing in OSS.
You forget, the U.S. is doing this because China had plans to build a mu shu chicken chain on the moon. We said screw that! If anyone is going to planet hop sucking up resources It's going to be us. It seems alittle competition is what we thrive on.
when you have to have metal detectors at schools you are in a majorly fucked up society. something to think about.
Those metal detecters are there because a handfull of people went nuts, The US saw a problem and is trying to rectify it. What has S.A. done to prevent locking children in and setting them ablaze? Oh wait, it was thier idea in the first place.. Yeah I can see how much worse the U.S. is.....
What happens in the U.S. can only be compared if we are NOT activly trying to do something about it, enron scandles, school shootings, pervers, gangs, serial killers.. all those bad things are a problem we strongly try to prevent, not encourage!
We have the free speech to fight our fights and not be shot in times square for daring to say it.
If you don't see a difference there. Perhaps its time you take a step back and clear your head.
"illegally obtained" excuse me but RHAS is open source, there is no such thing, they can't sue us, why they hell would they? If you have 500 boxes all grabbing updates and you say you only have 1 machine, sure they could do something, they could drop support.. but you'd still have 500 RHAS boxes they couldn't touch. problem is you have to touch them now, A LOT more frequently =)
good thing you pointed this out, I was going to say..
although, I'm not sure how different 'developers' and 'users' are. since the source code is open. It's the same thing isn't it?
redhat's press relese: The purpose of the fund will be to cover legal expenses associated with infringement claims brought against companies developing software under the GPL license and non-profit organizations supporting the efforts of companies developing software under a GPL license.
Sco isn't attacking us lil guys, they're going after IBM, Google, Linus (all developers)
IANAL but I thought linux users sat under the non-profit developers umbrella.
Any math guys here who can break down roughly how many lawyers we can fit on each craft? Also take into account thier comfort is of no concern infact I propose bodys do-not need to neccessarly be in tact.
Note: Its possible they will eat eachother too, not sure how we'd calculate that..
Who cares what he posts, the first comment is a link to goatse modded +5. Really infomative
here is Sans reading room Now go mod me as +5 or do I need to have a disgusting sig juvenile losers think is funny?
I bought a 2.8ghz recently and just made it a 3.1ghz running at 33C. That's pretty damn good. the case isn't even that good, not aluminum and only has two fans. It can be set to 3.6 ghz but I doubt I'll ever take it there until programs require it in a few years. thats a sound investment to me. Sqeeze another year or two off your processor.
Yes I'm an intel fanboy, my last chip was a 233 I bought in 97, thats almost 7 years of use. I'll stick with intel aslong as that kind of quality is achieved.
Am I? Well having 3 iraqi defecters give thier testamony, having a judge rule in thier favor and the video's I've seen Fedayeen saddam (which roughly translates saddams martyrs) training in guerilla tactics, torture (throwing people off buildings, or beating them while tied up) You will forgive my weak mind for 'believing' the propaganda over a slashdot anonymous coward. Until you can provide more infomation I'll think of you as the propagandist.
I could point you to the full interview by the N.Y. Times, the video's on arab BBC of saddams terrorist training, The court case conducted in manhatten NY where satelite photos were shown in court. But you'll only hear what you want. I wish you the best of luck using a search engine try "Salman Pak" and your favorite news source as a keyword.
I'm sorry to hear about #5 perhaps the fact that the training for the 9-11 attacks was in Iraq. "We were training these people to attack installations important to the United States," he added chillingly. "The Gulf War never ended for Saddam Hussein. He is at war with the United States. We were repeatedly told this."
Or the Number of Ties cited by the washingtontimes
The most conclusive evidence comes in a highly detailed list of intelligence reports revealed last month in the Weekly Standard. Senior Iraqis were said to have traveled to Sudan in the mid-1990s to teach bin Laden's operatives how to make sophisticated truck bombs.
Terrorists subsequently used such bombs to hit targets in Saudi Arabia and at two U.S. embassies in Africa.
yeah and in 2000 everyone PAID MS for the product. %99 of Redhats users downloaded it for free then download updates for free. If redhat was extracting a 'tax' from every soul on the planet like MS. I'm sure they'd hire 10 more guys to compile updates longer. Comparing a company that just had its first profit to one that has more money than most country's is f***ing stupid and you should be disgusted with yourself.
Your guess is just that, a guess.
Redhat said they have, and will always have a completly GPL OS.
notice pine isn't installed? mp3, qmail, libdvd or any other junk that even has a hint of sour taste? these guys have always served us well on this front, untill you have proof please keep your 'guesess' to your self, thank you.
And thus, a previously unknown kernel exploit is discovered and patched! (Now how many more exist?)
Hats off to the Debian Security Team.
from the article: "This problem was found
in September by Andrew Morton, but unfortunately that was too late for
the 2.4.22 kernel release."
Good work by the Debian team in catching it before REAL problems ensued.
Hats off to Redhat and SuSe for reversing the code.
Redhat puts as much or more work into the desktop then anyone, who founded freedesktop.org there smart guy? who i'll give you a hint his e-mail address starts with an H and ends with a redhat.com
who wrote Orbit with very significant controbutions to gnome-terminal, gconf, freedesktop.org and maintaining Gtk+.
Mike Harris is a huge contributor to X itself.
I know this is slashdot but please don't open your mouth unless you have a clue.
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I'm glad you have a cool toy to play with. At any rate, those of us who evangelized for years against hostile management to get Red Hat where they are don't have time for toys.
It's nice to see you taking credit for Red Hat's success and I commend you for building my favorite distro.
If people like you are responsible for "getting red hat where they are" Then they wouldn't abandon you because you gave them money. But its obvious the product you pushed for at work was a free download and you didn't give red hat a f***ing thing now you are pissed they are giving you something back that has 2 months shorter release cycle. but has the added benifit of:
1.) install everywhere and anywhere without problems or restrictions.
2.) Have a chance to put your own packages in
3.) Decide the direction of your distro by having 1 on 50 discussions with the developers.
4.) No RHN to sign up for 'yum -y update' 5.) Set up your own local repositories. I bought RHPW for $50 and will probably pay for updates the next 3 years ($60). But all it does is sit there serving my homepage. The distro I spend 4 hours a day on is Fedora. Debian might be nice but I have used Red Hat for years and like it, so why switch? when I had the free RHL they send out questionairs asking what direction id like to see linux go and I always choose this split of products. I think many others did aswell and that is why we have what we have. People like you are not a majority or this move would have never happend. I hope you enjoy Debian, Gentoo, SuSe as much as I enjoy Fedora then we can all be happy again.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2004 -February/msg00175.html
Alan Cox said early on they thought about using Debian instead of making fedora but there were reasons they didn't.
By saying he's never rebooted he just told us his machines do not have kernel updates and are vulnerable to about 10 security holes.
We need to figure a way around this. It sounds impossible and maybe it is which is too bad for enterprise customers.
I wonder how politicized this report is. Here we are, Bush is taking heat on the same thing that doomed his daddy: the economy. Not to mention that we're neck deep in the election cycle.
I wonder if you hope the Economy tanks so you can blame Bush in an election year. There seems to be alot of people worried when the economy starts looking better.. why is that? Shouldn't we be happy? Or we should only be happy when its from the _other_ corrupt party?
after all it IS an election year and that isn't just for politicions. Why vote once when you can spead FUD in public forums and get people to vote for you.
I'm not letting you mod down an AC take my +2 and work for your job to silence my minority opnion.
Sounds like it was around the statd exploit days. There was exploits released and flying around ALOT for that.
No mydoom doesn't need admins p
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1514997,00.a
read the second page, specifically:
" In Windows, though, any user can always act as root for their machine's core programs and MyDoom uses this opening to add %system%/shimgapi.dll, %temp%/Message and %system%/taskmon.exe. Taskmon.exe is a core Windows 98 family file, and Windows lets a user-level program change this, or in the case of the NT/2000/XP family, add this file! This is security at its worse. "
my doom works even if you're not root (admin) "MyDoom uses this opening to add %system%/shimgapi.dll, %temp%/Message and %system%/taskmon.exe. Taskmon.exe is a core Windows 98 family file, and Windows lets a user-level program change this, or in the case of the NT/2000/XP family, add this file! This is security at its worse."
The most important thing is to let people know we don't approve of the actions taken by creators of these viree.
show them we do not approve? Slashdot is seens as the voice of OSS to many people and when the story first broke all we seen was "they deserve it" || "i'll have to load up my windows boxes to help this effort" all as +5's. Many people DO agree with this kiddie virus writer and the mod points were proof its not only one guy.
If we want to show how we denounce such behaviour how about publishing a story on how to get rid of it instead of how they deserve it?
So not only is is Fedora unstable with a horrid development model but its especially bad if you care about security?
1.) I've never had a fedora crash (except when I tried to install 2.6 kernel
2.) it has exec-shield stack protection enabled by default but its less secure than your precious debian who got owned last month right? if they used exec-shiled that brk() exploit would have failed (yes i know debian will have it soon, thank ingo who works at redhat for that).
I'll never run Debian not cause of its quality but because of its childish group of users who piss me off with blind zealotry. Now that I've vented I want to pose a question. Would you rather pay $0 and have a distro. or have people pay $174 to a company that pays people around the clock to:
maintain GTK+
wrote/maintain orbit
Anaconda (which has been ported to debian and others)
freedesktop.org
Kudzu (did knoppix thank them?)
rpm
gcc
glibc
exec-shield
selinux
X/x.org
open nvidia drivers
opens GPL software from propritairy companys they buy out. (see selestia)
notice a trend here or shall I continue? I'm not just using an OS today, I'm investing in OSS.
Notice the . before the 50%? Never any honor amung thiefs I tell ya. This guy is probably darl mcbride.
You forget, the U.S. is doing this because China had plans to build a mu shu chicken chain on the moon. We said screw that! If anyone is going to planet hop sucking up resources It's going to be us. It seems alittle competition is what we thrive on.
when you have to have metal detectors at schools you are in a majorly fucked up society. something to think about.
Those metal detecters are there because a handfull of people went nuts, The US saw a problem and is trying to rectify it. What has S.A. done to prevent locking children in and setting them ablaze? Oh wait, it was thier idea in the first place.. Yeah I can see how much worse the U.S. is.....
What happens in the U.S. can only be compared if we are NOT activly trying to do something about it, enron scandles, school shootings, pervers, gangs, serial killers.. all those bad things are a problem we strongly try to prevent, not encourage! We have the free speech to fight our fights and not be shot in times square for daring to say it. If you don't see a difference there. Perhaps its time you take a step back and clear your head.
"illegally obtained" excuse me but RHAS is open source, there is no such thing, they can't sue us, why they hell would they? If you have 500 boxes all grabbing updates and you say you only have 1 machine, sure they could do something, they could drop support.. but you'd still have 500 RHAS boxes they couldn't touch. problem is you have to touch them now, A LOT more frequently =)
good thing you pointed this out, I was going to say..
although, I'm not sure how different 'developers' and 'users' are. since the source code is open. It's the same thing isn't it?
redhat's press relese:
The purpose of the fund will be to cover legal expenses associated with infringement claims brought against companies developing software under the GPL license and non-profit organizations supporting the efforts of companies developing software under a GPL license.
Sco isn't attacking us lil guys, they're going after IBM, Google, Linus (all developers)
IANAL but I thought linux users sat under the non-profit developers umbrella.
Any math guys here who can break down roughly how many lawyers we can fit on each craft? Also take into account thier comfort is of no concern infact I propose bodys do-not need to neccessarly be in tact.
Note: Its possible they will eat eachother too, not sure how we'd calculate that..
Who cares what he posts, the first comment is a link to goatse modded +5. Really infomative here is Sans reading room Now go mod me as +5 or do I need to have a disgusting sig juvenile losers think is funny?
I bought a 2.8ghz recently and just made it a 3.1ghz running at 33C. That's pretty damn good.
the case isn't even that good, not aluminum and only has two fans. It can be set to 3.6 ghz but I doubt I'll ever take it there until programs require it in a few years. thats a sound investment to me. Sqeeze another year or two off your processor.
Yes I'm an intel fanboy, my last chip was a 233 I bought in 97, thats almost 7 years of use. I'll stick with intel aslong as that kind of quality is achieved.
You're just another victim of propaganda.
Am I? Well having 3 iraqi defecters give thier testamony, having a judge rule in thier favor and the video's I've seen Fedayeen saddam (which roughly translates saddams martyrs) training in guerilla tactics, torture (throwing people off buildings, or beating them while tied up) You will forgive my weak mind for 'believing' the propaganda over a slashdot anonymous coward. Until you can provide more infomation I'll think of you as the propagandist.
I could point you to the full interview by the N.Y. Times, the video's on arab BBC of saddams terrorist training, The court case conducted in manhatten NY where satelite photos were shown in court. But you'll only hear what you want. I wish you the best of luck using a search engine try "Salman Pak" and your favorite news source as a keyword.
I'm sorry to hear about #5 perhaps the fact that the training for the 9-11 attacks was in Iraq.
"We were training these people to attack installations important to the United States," he added chillingly. "The Gulf War never ended for Saddam Hussein. He is at war with the United States. We were repeatedly told this."
Or the Number of Ties cited by the washingtontimes
The most conclusive evidence comes in a highly detailed list of intelligence reports revealed last month in the Weekly Standard. Senior Iraqis were said to have traveled to Sudan in the mid-1990s to teach bin Laden's operatives how to make sophisticated truck bombs.
Terrorists subsequently used such bombs to hit targets in Saudi Arabia and at two U.S. embassies in Africa.
I hope you feel alittle better now. I do.
yeah and in 2000 everyone PAID MS for the product. %99 of Redhats users downloaded it for free then download updates for free. If redhat was extracting a 'tax' from every soul on the planet like MS. I'm sure they'd hire 10 more guys to compile updates longer. Comparing a company that just had its first profit to one that has more money than most country's is f***ing stupid and you should be disgusted with yourself.
Your guess is just that, a guess. Redhat said they have, and will always have a completly GPL OS.
notice pine isn't installed? mp3, qmail, libdvd or any other junk that even has a hint of sour taste? these guys have always served us well on this front, untill you have proof please keep your 'guesess' to your self, thank you.
Litigation: The Business Model of the Future!(TM)
What do you mean of the 'future'? suing has been the new GOLD RUSH for some time now.
And thus, a previously unknown kernel exploit is discovered and patched! (Now how many more exist?) Hats off to the Debian Security Team.
from the article: "This problem was found in September by Andrew Morton, but unfortunately that was too late for the 2.4.22 kernel release." Good work by the Debian team in catching it before REAL problems ensued.
Hats off to Redhat and SuSe for reversing the code.
Redhat puts as much or more work into the desktop then anyone, who founded freedesktop.org there smart guy? who i'll give you a hint his e-mail address starts with an H and ends with a redhat.com
who wrote Orbit with very significant controbutions to gnome-terminal, gconf, freedesktop.org and maintaining Gtk+. Mike Harris is a huge contributor to X itself.
I know this is slashdot but please don't open your mouth unless you have a clue.