Hrm.. Well, as one of my Computer Science teachers once told me (in a discrete math class).. Mathemeticians do things because it interests them. The fact that it often has no practical application is why they are often cold, bitter and broke.:)
Maybe the article just got it wrong about what kind of pie he's obsessed with....;)
From the article: But even in the best-case scenario, a patient will have to wait while the contents of the letter are verified, say the doctors. "They may choose not to use public transportation to avoid this inconvenience," they write.
Try navigating Manhattan efficiently without public transportation.
How did 12/7/41 and 9/11/01 happen? Too much information gathering, not enough information interpretation. And from the looks of this, we're setting ourselves up for more of the same.
And we all know that these could have been prevented if we had just stripsearched radioactive subway-goers.
Now if someone can build an "open" free web based schedule of the major networks that people can contribute to, then the PVR would be able to read this off the net and schedule recordings!
Check out freevo. It's relatively new, but it's coming along quite nicely. In another year or so, they may even have season passes and the like.
"The potential for good and the potential for ill are both huge here. I don't know what we will call brainwashing, but until we come up with a better term, I would suggest it's at least a kissing cousin."
"That's completely unfounded. It has nothing to do with controlling consumer thought...nothing to do with manipulating consumer thought. All we can do is observe and learn," Brighthouse's Koval says.
Yeah, observe and learn how to control their thoughts. Doesn't the potential for abuse outway the societal benefits here?
Yes, you neglect the reason they do this, however. It's not so that they can run a slipshod operation....
Actually, to some degree, it is. You have no legal recourse if you buy tickets to a Liberian cruise liner. If you get sick or can't go, you're stuck. Legally the cruise liner doesn't have to reimburse you. You can't take them to court either.
"They'll spend the same time and money promoting Spirited Away for Academy Awards"
Lets see, would this be called the Old Boys' club?
Yeah, no shit. The "Academy" awards were once supposed to be about merit. I fail to see, in that case, how one could market or promote for the Oscars. Maybe Speilberg is right.
This is earily similar to our current domestic political situation. If I have enough money, can I lobby for an Oscar?
We are in the age of information, electronic information for that matter. This could be the start of a very big trend. Publicationscan save millions by providing their pubs online with a nominal subscription fee. Of course there will always be those who prefer their hard copy.
I don't think the point of the post was that EETimes is going "online only"...it's that they're in financial trouble and are (slowly) shutting things down.
<sarcasm>I dunno, the opensource community really needs another text editor....</sarcasm>
What I don't understand is this: is it really worth $11,000 to take over someone else's sources and maintain them for a project like Pepper? How difficult would it be to take $8,000, pocket it, use the existing product (as a black/gray box) as a base from which to write something else better (and more informed)?
I can understand Blender (maybe not $100k worth, but I'm in no position to attempt to assess value on something like that), but Pepper doesn't seem to be all that complicated. Certainly not more so that OpenOffice, Emacs or even VIM.
Hey, if there are 1,000 Pepper users willing to chip in $10 each for the sources, more power to them....
This is exactly what I'm talking about: I'm not allowed to invoke IE from a shell script, I have to use AppleScript. This only goes to support my original claim.
Try writing a bourne shell script that launches IE with a given URL.
Try writing a bourne shell script that is double-clickable by the user.
As far as I know, you can't do it (and I've tried). This is something that Windows actually does half-right. OS X has two distinct categories of "executables". Those which can be treated as regular executables (in the BSD UNIX sense), and those which consist of directories of various different files which must be double-clicked by the user.
On OS X, there are two distinct "types" of programs with two separate methods of execution which are not compatible with each other.
What was the pressing need to upgrade to 8.0 anyway?
There wasn't really. That's why I'm back to 7.3. But eventually, there will be some functionality I'd like to get from the convenience of my distro without having to download a bazillion third-party packages from who-knows-where. To take advantage of this convenience, I'll either have to accept RedHat's new dumbed-down interface (yech) or find another distro (recommendations)?
It just sucks, because over the past 5 years, I've grown quite accustomed to RedHat's method of configuration. I'm not looking forward to a whole new set of quirks....
I realized that it's the users who want this crap.
Users are not visionaries. Users want what they've already seen. I'm sure there can be some work done in Gnome and KDE that hasn't been seen on windows that, once it's out and tested, users find they really like. Then users will want that.
I'm the same way. Here's an example. For the longest time, I used Mac OS 6.x and 7.x. I was satisfied that you had to move your mouse to the bottom right of your window to resize it. I wanted everything to behave this way because I was used to it. Now I run Sawfish. I won't even accept a window manager that doesn't let me configure key/mouse combinations the way I want to. Now, Alt-LeftClick allows me to move a window regardless of where I click (yes, even in the window's content), and Alt-MiddleClick does resizing based on quadrant (okay non-rant?). It's much more efficient than my old Mac, and I'm pissed when I come across a windowing system that can't be configured to behave like that. Try moving your Windows windows (how absurd is that?) by grabbing anywhere but the title bar....
I personally have had problems with every Linux distro and Windows version I have ever tried....
This is off-topic, but the act of installing "modern" operating systems has almost never been completely without hitch (okay, the BeOS install has come the closest in my experience...). Windows is already installed on most computers that people buy for their homes, thus removing one frustrating step. The problem is that Microsoft does not allowOEMs to offer anything different.
Pretty soon we'll need a quick launch bar for the quick launch bars.
Most of the time, I think Microsoft has made "innovation" a four-letter word. That's just when I'm pissed. When I take a step back (especially when I see stuff like this), I get the impression that Microsoft's idea of innovation is visual masturbation. Sometimes I think they measure success by number of entries in the Interface Hall Of Shame.
Two points:
1. I don't see how eye candy is ever innovative without improvements in the underlying architecture such as security or ease of use. My definition of ease of use is slightly different than most however. I would define ease of use the ability to quickly and easily get what you want done, regardless of skill level. One of the things that really irks me about Windows in general (and to a certain extent OS X) is that it is targeted so much at the ignorant user, that it is nothing but frustrating to me as someone who knows a little more.
2. What's worse is that the free software world seems to emulate this behavior more and more. There is a lot of imitation in OpenSource. This is good. It is extremely important to have free tools which support POSIX standards (like awk and find). What's great is there's a lot of innovation too (emacs, gcc, the Linux kernel module architecture). There just doesn't seem to be much innovation in free software UI design. The default behavior seems to be to "make it like Windows". Microsoft UIs attempt to hide so much from their users they become unusable. KDE attempts to mimic this behavior. RedHat took this direction with 8.0 for its entire UI, and as a result I'm frustrated to the point of looking for a new distro.
I can't help but put on my conspiracy goggles on this one. Wasn't AMD the only Wintel chipmaker to openly vow to continue non-Palladium based chips? Were they muscled out my Microsoft and Intel in efforts to control the home computing experience?
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Correction: Guns don't kill people, f=ma kills people.
Actually, I think it's Ek = 1/2mv^2 that kills people.
Hrm.. Well, as one of my Computer Science teachers once told me (in a discrete math class).. Mathemeticians do things because it interests them. The fact that it often has no practical application is why they are often cold, bitter and broke. :)
;)
Maybe the article just got it wrong about what kind of pie he's obsessed with....
And we all know that these could have been prevented if we had just stripsearched radioactive subway-goers.
Okay, to whomever modded me down on this...it's supposed to be sarcastic (sorry I forgot my <sarcasm/> tags, but take a look at the context)....
Let me guess: you don't live in Manhattan.
Apparently, the doctors don't live there either:
From the article: But even in the best-case scenario, a patient will have to wait while the contents of the letter are verified, say the doctors. "They may choose not to use public transportation to avoid this inconvenience," they write.
Try navigating Manhattan efficiently without public transportation.
How did 12/7/41 and 9/11/01 happen? Too much information gathering, not enough information interpretation. And from the looks of this, we're setting ourselves up for more of the same.
And we all know that these could have been prevented if we had just stripsearched radioactive subway-goers.
Now if someone can build an "open" free web based schedule of the major networks that people can contribute to, then the PVR would be able to read this off the net and schedule recordings!
Check out freevo. It's relatively new, but it's coming along quite nicely. In another year or so, they may even have season passes and the like.
From the article:
"The potential for good and the potential for ill are both huge here. I don't know what we will call brainwashing, but until we come up with a better term, I would suggest it's at least a kissing cousin."
"That's completely unfounded. It has nothing to do with controlling consumer thought...nothing to do with manipulating consumer thought. All we can do is observe and learn," Brighthouse's Koval says.
Yeah, observe and learn how to control their thoughts. Doesn't the potential for abuse outway the societal benefits here?
...but if their renditions were unrecognizable, then they could get away with it.
Yes, you neglect the reason they do this, however. It's not so that they can run a slipshod operation....
Actually, to some degree, it is. You have no legal recourse if you buy tickets to a Liberian cruise liner. If you get sick or can't go, you're stuck. Legally the cruise liner doesn't have to reimburse you. You can't take them to court either.
Florida is probably better for...
;)
Okay, this was meant to be funny, but I'll take interesting (at least until meta-moderation kicks in).
I wasn't aware of anything that constituted a "hillside" in Florida. I thought it was just a sandpile with a swamp at each end.
Florida is probably better for a replica of hobgoblin camp or maybe Golem's home (we likesss it) than a hobbit hole.
"They'll spend the same time and money promoting Spirited Away for Academy Awards"
Lets see, would this be called the Old Boys' club?
Yeah, no shit. The "Academy" awards were once supposed to be about merit. I fail to see, in that case, how one could market or promote for the Oscars. Maybe Speilberg is right.
This is earily similar to our current domestic political situation. If I have enough money, can I lobby for an Oscar?
We are in the age of information, electronic information for that matter. This could be the start of a very big trend. Publicationscan save millions by providing their pubs online with a nominal subscription fee. Of course there will always be those who prefer their hard copy.
I don't think the point of the post was that EETimes is going "online only"...it's that they're in financial trouble and are (slowly) shutting things down.
Cut me some slack - I wrote that at 2am. I'm almost coherent during daylight.
If you were in India, it would only be three in the afternoon. It's no wonder why they're smarter and have improved grammar!
Wasn't this the publication which was also, in part (at least from the "advertising", responsible for the widespread popularity of the Altair as well?
<sarcasm>I dunno, the opensource community really needs another text editor....</sarcasm>
What I don't understand is this: is it really worth $11,000 to take over someone else's sources and maintain them for a project like Pepper? How difficult would it be to take $8,000, pocket it, use the existing product (as a black/gray box) as a base from which to write something else better (and more informed)?
I can understand Blender (maybe not $100k worth, but I'm in no position to attempt to assess value on something like that), but Pepper doesn't seem to be all that complicated. Certainly not more so that OpenOffice, Emacs or even VIM.
Hey, if there are 1,000 Pepper users willing to chip in $10 each for the sources, more power to them....
I think making the claim that liking eyecandy=ignorant is pretty ignorant in and of itself.
I agree. I don't think I ever made that claim. Or was this not in direct response to what was written?
use apple script
This is exactly what I'm talking about: I'm not allowed to invoke IE from a shell script, I have to use AppleScript. This only goes to support my original claim.
So like ... how is OS X frustrating to you?
Try writing a bourne shell script that launches IE with a given URL.
Try writing a bourne shell script that is double-clickable by the user.
As far as I know, you can't do it (and I've tried). This is something that Windows actually does half-right. OS X has two distinct categories of "executables". Those which can be treated as regular executables (in the BSD UNIX sense), and those which consist of directories of various different files which must be double-clicked by the user.
On OS X, there are two distinct "types" of programs with two separate methods of execution which are not compatible with each other.
What was the pressing need to upgrade to 8.0 anyway?
There wasn't really. That's why I'm back to 7.3. But eventually, there will be some functionality I'd like to get from the convenience of my distro without having to download a bazillion third-party packages from who-knows-where. To take advantage of this convenience, I'll either have to accept RedHat's new dumbed-down interface (yech) or find another distro (recommendations)?
It just sucks, because over the past 5 years, I've grown quite accustomed to RedHat's method of configuration. I'm not looking forward to a whole new set of quirks....
I realized that it's the users who want this crap.
Users are not visionaries. Users want what they've already seen. I'm sure there can be some work done in Gnome and KDE that hasn't been seen on windows that, once it's out and tested, users find they really like. Then users will want that.
I'm the same way. Here's an example. For the longest time, I used Mac OS 6.x and 7.x. I was satisfied that you had to move your mouse to the bottom right of your window to resize it. I wanted everything to behave this way because I was used to it. Now I run Sawfish. I won't even accept a window manager that doesn't let me configure key/mouse combinations the way I want to. Now, Alt-LeftClick allows me to move a window regardless of where I click (yes, even in the window's content), and Alt-MiddleClick does resizing based on quadrant (okay non-rant?). It's much more efficient than my old Mac, and I'm pissed when I come across a windowing system that can't be configured to behave like that. Try moving your Windows windows (how absurd is that?) by grabbing anywhere but the title bar....
I personally have had problems with every Linux distro and Windows version I have ever tried....
This is off-topic, but the act of installing "modern" operating systems has almost never been completely without hitch (okay, the BeOS install has come the closest in my experience...). Windows is already installed on most computers that people buy for their homes, thus removing one frustrating step. The problem is that Microsoft does not allow OEMs to offer anything different.
Pretty soon we'll need a quick launch bar for the quick launch bars.
Most of the time, I think Microsoft has made "innovation" a four-letter word. That's just when I'm pissed. When I take a step back (especially when I see stuff like this), I get the impression that Microsoft's idea of innovation is visual masturbation. Sometimes I think they measure success by number of entries in the Interface Hall Of Shame.
Two points:
1. I don't see how eye candy is ever innovative without improvements in the underlying architecture such as security or ease of use. My definition of ease of use is slightly different than most however. I would define ease of use the ability to quickly and easily get what you want done, regardless of skill level. One of the things that really irks me about Windows in general (and to a certain extent OS X) is that it is targeted so much at the ignorant user, that it is nothing but frustrating to me as someone who knows a little more.
2. What's worse is that the free software world seems to emulate this behavior more and more. There is a lot of imitation in OpenSource. This is good. It is extremely important to have free tools which support POSIX standards (like awk and find). What's great is there's a lot of innovation too (emacs, gcc, the Linux kernel module architecture). There just doesn't seem to be much innovation in free software UI design. The default behavior seems to be to "make it like Windows". Microsoft UIs attempt to hide so much from their users they become unusable. KDE attempts to mimic this behavior. RedHat took this direction with 8.0 for its entire UI, and as a result I'm frustrated to the point of looking for a new distro.
I can't help but put on my conspiracy goggles on this one. Wasn't AMD the only Wintel chipmaker to openly vow to continue non-Palladium based chips? Were they muscled out my Microsoft and Intel in efforts to control the home computing experience?
When was the last time a company had the nerve to attempt a worldwide introduction of an all-new desktop computer with dedicated OS?
1997: Be, Inc.