>Clearly there is no such thing as limitless bandwidth; Shannon's theory tells us there is maximum amount of information that can be transmitted over any one channel, and simple physics tells us that there are a limited number of channels, no matter how you slice it.
Explain to us then why physics limits channels? As to what I casually see, AM radio takes about 10 KHz to broadcast. I have a fairly sensitive receiver that can tune on the KHz individually.
What if the transmitters/receivers had only 2.5 KHz of buffer zone between channels. Then, couldnt we pack 2 times as much channels?
I think what this "nut job" is saying it's a problem with equipment not being sensitive enough. Increase the sensitivity, increase the virtual bandwidth.
>Yes, one can imagine a different technology such as directional antennae or spead-spectrum, but how much more complex do your receivers have to be?
I've seen 1950's radios that still work yet today. Tell me, oh great Ph.D'ed one, why a $1.00 upgrade on componentry wont give more bandwidth...
>On could also say that A knife could be built that can cut a loaf of bread into infinite pieces, if we could design it to cut sub-elementary particles.
You dont know the difference between large finite and infinite. That statement really shows it. The number of grains of sand that would fit in the known universe is still large finite.
I like this game, POSTAL. http://www.gopostal.com/ On the demo for Postal 1, the sounds are horrendously EVIL;-) You see people you just shot crawl on the ground asking "Finish the job" and other depressing things.
---If you work for FedGov, you're a parasite on the taxpayers in the private sector and you're a nonproductive drain on the economy.
---We need to cut government way down to size and bounce all the dead-weight government employees out into the streets.
---Everyone who complains about globalization and exporting of blue-collar, and now white-collar, jobs overseas needs to realize it's too bloody expensive to do business in America and remain competitive, so we need to cut government, cut taxes and cut the red tape if we want to keep any jobs. The alternative is moving you and your family to China or India to get a job in the future.
---Government is the disease. Competitive capitalism is the cure.
I'm a libertarian/conservative mix and I dont see what the big deal for working for the government is. No matter how reasonably small they get, they'll need computers. And they'll need people knoledgable enough to use/fix/network them.
IT will always be in demand. Spouting crap like this is just dumb.
If anything, you oughtta be saying to make a federal flat tax, and in effect, dissolve the IRS. Yes it would kill tons of jobs of tax prep, but it would make understanding how the taxing system works. You would know X percent would be going to federal. Hopefully, if the federal govt. takes this up, the states would too. And for you trolls out there, I'm not against taxes, but am for fair rules and payment on taxes.
>First, the whole "my religion doesn't allow me to look at porn" argument is just nuts. If you truly believe this, you won't need your big brother (or whomever) to watch you.
Damn straight. Then you also end up with Christan deviants whoi believe everything is "of the devil!"
>Second, what about self control? Okay, you don't want to look at porn. So the only way you can stop is to have your PC report which sites you visit to Grandma?
She wouldnt understand it.
>Finally, if you want to look at porn, look at porn. If your religion forbids it, well, that sucks... but otherwise, who the hell cares if you look at porn? I enjoy it, am not ashamed of it, and I certainly don't need anyone else (or any religion) scrutinizing what sites I visit.
I'm ashamed to look at porn. Tells me I'm not getting any;-(
>So next we'll be CCing our Visa bill to someone, to curb excessive spending; faxing the grocery list/receipt to help with over-eating; and so on. Do these people actually need a babysitter? If so, what are they doing living on their own, let alone surfing the 'Net without supervision?
You know what I'd like to do? Get on that 'list' and fill the sucker with TGP's galore. Give them religous nuts something to look at;-)
>>If you go to a good engineering/CS school, and you get good marks, then they KNOW its worth their while to treat you like a God.
Damn straight. You're their bread 'n butter.
>>Just think about it. They give you the best experience of your life. Wouldn't you want to give something back? The place I work at now SUCKS. It sucks big floppy donkey dick.
I've dealt with those places. Isn't fun at all..
>>What do I do all day? Not much. Surf the net and read. Why? Because I hate this place. I see no reason to give anything back to it. Now if they would be a little more supportive of a social atmosphere and develop a community feeling around here, then I might feel some obligation.
I'd just muck around with fun stuff. STill, getting money for being there is a damn good arrangement;-) Still, good luck getting your old job back. Since the boom a lot of those nice environments have all but shrunk.
Still, I have a negative attitude for a few reasons. We know that MS pays people to seed ideas/experiences in "the community". That right there brings me a slight distrust. Second, this is slashdot. Add that to me also hearing too many "Business Horror Stories" from consultants.. I think you see how I jsut dont naturally trust the paent poster.
>>>Work is work as an intern. You're expected to gear up fairly quickly, but not so as to stress you out. You *are* an intern - Microsoft is not going to give you a job that is 100% mission critical. However, as an intern, you *can* make significant contribution to your group's products (You can find my name in the Xbox credits:). It's a slight ego booster.
So they're good to their emplyees? I've heard otherwise from 'former MS emplyees'. They hated every second if it.
>>>I saw a post that said you're expected to pull 55+ hour weeks. This isn't true. You are required to complete your assignments. If that means you need to work your ass off, and you want a good review, then that's what you have to do. If you're an awesome coder and can get it done in 20 hours, good for you. Go drink the rest of the time:)
That sounds ensible, but if that happened with my "jobs" they'd expect me to start working off my ass to HIT X hour mark. That's how damn near most jobs operate. If salaried, you work a fixed minimum with optional hours.
>>>Corporate culture is great. Everyone is supportive about things like personal time, social lives, time off, etc. Morale is really high at Microsoft. Through the roof. The company just treats you right in many different ways.
This right here, if anything, makes you look like a MS shill placed here. A business may be a family (which fits that monkier) but what family doesnt have UP's and DOWN's? The "Its the best place in the world because everybody grins, laughs, drinks, and parties" stuff sounds like payola landed in your pocket.
>>>Being a Microsoft intern was the first time I had a consistent, fulfilling social life too. Pretty much every weekend was a party and having fun around Seattle.
(sarcastic) Now we KNOW youre not a geek. Parties?!!? How dare you betray us!
I got suckered by the same thing. I grabbed the newest kernel from kernel.org. Turns out ol' linus packaged it with his own configs. He turned off Virtual terminal.
Just go back and turn (in char devices) on Virtual Terminal , and support for it. If text editing's your thing, the Anonymous Coward to this post is right.
And whuile we're on it, how "stable" is/dev fs? I've been using it for a while, and it's quite nice with auto-creation/destruction of/dev/ nodes. Is there a plan to integrate this permanently to the kernel (and drop the old/dev crap)?
---Linux developers really need to stabalize driver interfaces. I should be able to go to kernel.org and download the latest kernel *binary*, then install a binary driver from the CD-ROM that came from my NVIDIA card.
Module Versioning Support (added in 2.5.63) provides a basic way to determine what kernel its for and try to interface with it. It's cool that they're listening. Hell, even Win9x drivers wont work on Win2k. This might even loead to having 2.4 modules on 2.6/3.0.
---USB and Firewire buses should be exposed by kernel as network interfaces, accessible to user programs through socket API. In this way, USB drivers will be both easier to write/debug AND will not contribute to Oops. For the ultimate of cool, Wine should support Windows USB drivers (my Virtual PC does!) and I should be able to just install Palm and Zaurus desktops and use them rather trying to feed ttyUSBNN to kpilot.
First, its a basic bus, and they have it use SCSI as a transfer.. I'd rather have it dump in scsi and be done with it.
---Having a stable system that doesn't have to be rebooted to Windows to use some unsupported USB device is far more important than raw performance. I wish any system's developers - Linux, *BSD, Darwin, BeOS, etc - would concentrate on this goal before going back to play with cool toys.
Basic Unix Tenant: Next ****'s hardware will be faster. Aim for portability and stability.
Yeah, I do. Try looking through some of the software patents. There's a software design patent just recently filed by Apple (why, doesnt copyright already have precidence?), or how about "An innovative way to sell stuff over the internet".
We're ending up with patents on software utilities that normally exist. Companies/people are just applying normal principles to the internet and then slapping a patent on them.
And dont get me wrong. Many of the hardware patents are quite neat and damn near most of them deserve to stay in there. There's a few suckers like "innovative way to swing on swingset", but those are disregarded by judges who can see past that crap.
---I mean, Christ, you're worse than those people at the peace rallies. I showed up to discuss politics and world events with rational intelligent people.
I dont "do" peace rallies. And if you were smart enough to realise, they wernt "peace rallies". They were "I hate the US" rallies.
---Instead, there were like 2 or 3 socialist scumbags who didn't know the different between the White House and White Castle, and they were spewing forth such idiocy thru their megaphones that I just left. I was disgraced.
And guess what? Do you know who paid for all those demonstrations?? Do you? It was the National Communist Party. Now lets see... who's against us in this new war.. Russia. Interesting, dont you say.
---You wanna know why there's no peace? Because the stupidest of the stupid always seem to get the microphone.
I've forgot more than you'll ever know boy. Every situatuion isnt the nice, peachy world you want it to be. And if I'm right, you were one of those peace mongers too, eh?
---Anyone else think these kinds of games are partly the reason why we're going to invade Iraq, North Korea, and various African countries once we're done there?
We shoulda nuked all those sorry-asses when we had the chance. ALl THEY DO IS bring a pock on this Earth!!
---Violence breed violence and encourages hate. Why do we love to hate?
Fuck you too, Appeaser!! NUKE EM ALL!! And let God sort 'em out!!!!!!
---if Microsoft figured out how to implement Google's page rank system
OH Come now.. We all know that Google uses the Pigeon Rank system.
I've said that we should ignore software patents UNTIL all the crap in the system is worked out. We still end up with a few garbage non-software patents...
But how do you prove non-intuitive to a non-computer geek? XOR was 'patented' a while back (in the eighties) as a way of coloring/moving the mouse. The company who got that patent then went to computer expos and simply blackmailed damn near everybody who said they had a gui (and had that negative mouse style).
We need to DISREGARD ALL SOFTWARE PATENTS until this mess is fixed. And yes, that means going through the patent papers and making projects that infringe upon them.
---I wish cryogenicists would freeze LIVING people
They'd die anyways. You know what happens to water when you freeze it? It expands. Now picture all of your water in your body being frozen. When unfroze, you'd be a mass of humany bony glop from all your cells rupturing.
Now this MIGHT work if there was a sure fire way to replace water with a substance that was the similar size, similar weight, and didnt expand when frozen......
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>Maybe a matter of symantecs... whatever.
Nope, them's the virus people.
>Clearly there is no such thing as limitless bandwidth; Shannon's theory tells us there is maximum amount of information that can be transmitted over any one channel, and simple physics tells us that there are a limited number of channels, no matter how you slice it.
Explain to us then why physics limits channels? As to what I casually see, AM radio takes about 10 KHz to broadcast. I have a fairly sensitive receiver that can tune on the KHz individually.
What if the transmitters/receivers had only 2.5 KHz of buffer zone between channels. Then, couldnt we pack 2 times as much channels?
I think what this "nut job" is saying it's a problem with equipment not being sensitive enough. Increase the sensitivity, increase the virtual bandwidth.
>Yes, one can imagine a different technology such as directional antennae or spead-spectrum, but how much more complex do your receivers have to be?
I've seen 1950's radios that still work yet today. Tell me, oh great Ph.D'ed one, why a $1.00 upgrade on componentry wont give more bandwidth...
>On could also say that A knife could be built that can cut a loaf of bread into infinite pieces, if we could design it to cut sub-elementary particles.
You dont know the difference between large finite and infinite. That statement really shows it. The number of grains of sand that would fit in the known universe is still large finite.
I dont like how flash abstracts out by NOT letting you see the URL. That reason alone turns me against FLASH.
I like this game, POSTAL. http://www.gopostal.com/ On the demo for Postal 1, the sounds are horrendously EVIL ;-) You see people you just shot crawl on the ground asking "Finish the job" and other depressing things.
;-)
The game's brutally wonderful
If brains were metal, who WOULDN'T worry about getting through airport security?
Yeah, and if you harass him about it, _YOU_ might be his girlfrined.
Then how do you tell if it's "I dont have any" panties?
---If you work for FedGov, you're a parasite on the taxpayers in the private sector and you're a nonproductive drain on the economy.
---We need to cut government way down to size and bounce all the dead-weight government employees out into the streets.
---Everyone who complains about globalization and exporting of blue-collar, and now white-collar, jobs overseas needs to realize it's too bloody expensive to do business in America and remain competitive, so we need to cut government, cut taxes and cut the red tape if we want to keep any jobs. The alternative is moving you and your family to China or India to get a job in the future.
---Government is the disease. Competitive capitalism is the cure.
I'm a libertarian/conservative mix and I dont see what the big deal for working for the government is. No matter how reasonably small they get, they'll need computers. And they'll need people knoledgable enough to use/fix/network them.
IT will always be in demand. Spouting crap like this is just dumb.
If anything, you oughtta be saying to make a federal flat tax, and in effect, dissolve the IRS. Yes it would kill tons of jobs of tax prep, but it would make understanding how the taxing system works. You would know X percent would be going to federal. Hopefully, if the federal govt. takes this up, the states would too. And for you trolls out there, I'm not against taxes, but am for fair rules and payment on taxes.
His email's in his sig. Though you probably have it turned off....
heh he heheh
The only thing funnier is if AUTOPR0N himself said it. He's got a lott hail mary's to do to fix his problem
>...for many reasons.
;-(
;-)
>First, the whole "my religion doesn't allow me to look at porn" argument is just nuts. If you truly believe this, you won't need your big brother (or whomever) to watch you.
Damn straight. Then you also end up with Christan deviants whoi believe everything is "of the devil!"
>Second, what about self control? Okay, you don't want to look at porn. So the only way you can stop is to have your PC report which sites you visit to Grandma?
She wouldnt understand it.
>Finally, if you want to look at porn, look at porn. If your religion forbids it, well, that sucks... but otherwise, who the hell cares if you look at porn? I enjoy it, am not ashamed of it, and I certainly don't need anyone else (or any religion) scrutinizing what sites I visit.
I'm ashamed to look at porn. Tells me I'm not getting any
>So next we'll be CCing our Visa bill to someone, to curb excessive spending; faxing the grocery list/receipt to help with over-eating; and so on. Do these people actually need a babysitter? If so, what are they doing living on their own, let alone surfing the 'Net without supervision?
You know what I'd like to do? Get on that 'list' and fill the sucker with TGP's galore. Give them religous nuts something to look at
Had to make up for that "FP" did we ;-)
Trust me, I've did my t(r)oll for non-anonycoward FP's.
This is the whole article, hands down.
Everything else is just talking head arguments (like on Fox News, but less important).
Dont forget "Special Edition 2003" !
>>If you go to a good engineering/CS school, and you get good marks, then they KNOW its worth their while to treat you like a God.
;-) Still, good luck getting your old job back. Since the boom a lot of those nice environments have all but shrunk.
Damn straight. You're their bread 'n butter.
>>Just think about it. They give you the best experience of your life. Wouldn't you want to give something back? The place I work at now SUCKS. It sucks big floppy donkey dick.
I've dealt with those places. Isn't fun at all..
>>What do I do all day? Not much. Surf the net and read. Why? Because I hate this place. I see no reason to give anything back to it. Now if they would be a little more supportive of a social atmosphere and develop a community feeling around here, then I might feel some obligation.
I'd just muck around with fun stuff. STill, getting money for being there is a damn good arrangement
Still, I have a negative attitude for a few reasons. We know that MS pays people to seed ideas/experiences in "the community". That right there brings me a slight distrust. Second, this is slashdot. Add that to me also hearing too many "Business Horror Stories" from consultants.. I think you see how I jsut dont naturally trust the paent poster.
>>>Work is work as an intern. You're expected to gear up fairly quickly, but not so as to stress you out. You *are* an intern - Microsoft is not going to give you a job that is 100% mission critical. However, as an intern, you *can* make significant contribution to your group's products (You can find my name in the Xbox credits
So they're good to their emplyees? I've heard otherwise from 'former MS emplyees'. They hated every second if it.
>>>I saw a post that said you're expected to pull 55+ hour weeks. This isn't true. You are required to complete your assignments. If that means you need to work your ass off, and you want a good review, then that's what you have to do. If you're an awesome coder and can get it done in 20 hours, good for you. Go drink the rest of the time
That sounds ensible, but if that happened with my "jobs" they'd expect me to start working off my ass to HIT X hour mark. That's how damn near most jobs operate. If salaried, you work a fixed minimum with optional hours.
>>>Corporate culture is great. Everyone is supportive about things like personal time, social lives, time off, etc. Morale is really high at Microsoft. Through the roof. The company just treats you right in many different ways.
This right here, if anything, makes you look like a MS shill placed here. A business may be a family (which fits that monkier) but what family doesnt have UP's and DOWN's? The "Its the best place in the world because everybody grins, laughs, drinks, and parties" stuff sounds like payola landed in your pocket.
>>>Being a Microsoft intern was the first time I had a consistent, fulfilling social life too. Pretty much every weekend was a party and having fun around Seattle.
(sarcastic) Now we KNOW youre not a geek. Parties?!!? How dare you betray us!
I got suckered by the same thing. I grabbed the newest kernel from kernel.org. Turns out ol' linus packaged it with his own configs. He turned off Virtual terminal.
/dev fs? I've been using it for a while, and it's quite nice with auto-creation/destruction of /dev/ nodes. Is there a plan to integrate this permanently to the kernel (and drop the old /dev crap)?
Just go back and turn (in char devices) on Virtual Terminal , and support for it. If text editing's your thing, the Anonymous Coward to this post is right.
And whuile we're on it, how "stable" is
---Linux developers really need to stabalize driver interfaces. I should be able to go to kernel.org and download the latest kernel *binary*, then install a binary driver from the CD-ROM that came from my NVIDIA card.
Module Versioning Support (added in 2.5.63) provides a basic way to determine what kernel its for and try to interface with it. It's cool that they're listening. Hell, even Win9x drivers wont work on Win2k. This might even loead to having 2.4 modules on 2.6/3.0.
---USB and Firewire buses should be exposed by kernel as network interfaces, accessible to user programs through socket API. In this way, USB drivers will be both easier to write/debug AND will not contribute to Oops. For the ultimate of cool, Wine should support Windows USB drivers (my Virtual PC does!) and I should be able to just install Palm and Zaurus desktops and use them rather trying to feed ttyUSBNN to kpilot.
First, its a basic bus, and they have it use SCSI as a transfer.. I'd rather have it dump in scsi and be done with it.
---Having a stable system that doesn't have to be rebooted to Windows to use some unsupported USB device is far more important than raw performance. I wish any system's developers - Linux, *BSD, Darwin, BeOS, etc - would concentrate on this goal before going back to play with cool toys.
Basic Unix Tenant: Next ****'s hardware will be faster. Aim for portability and stability.
---Do you really believe the stuff you write?
Yeah, I do. Try looking through some of the software patents. There's a software design patent just recently filed by Apple (why, doesnt copyright already have precidence?), or how about "An innovative way to sell stuff over the internet".
We're ending up with patents on software utilities that normally exist. Companies/people are just applying normal principles to the internet and then slapping a patent on them.
And dont get me wrong. Many of the hardware patents are quite neat and damn near most of them deserve to stay in there. There's a few suckers like "innovative way to swing on swingset", but those are disregarded by judges who can see past that crap.
---I mean, Christ, you're worse than those people at the peace rallies. I showed up to discuss politics and world events with rational intelligent people.
I dont "do" peace rallies. And if you were smart enough to realise, they wernt "peace rallies". They were "I hate the US" rallies.
---Instead, there were like 2 or 3 socialist scumbags who didn't know the different between the White House and White Castle, and they were spewing forth such idiocy thru their megaphones that I just left. I was disgraced.
And guess what? Do you know who paid for all those demonstrations?? Do you? It was the National Communist Party. Now lets see... who's against us in this new war.. Russia. Interesting, dont you say.
---You wanna know why there's no peace? Because the stupidest of the stupid always seem to get the microphone.
I've forgot more than you'll ever know boy. Every situatuion isnt the nice, peachy world you want it to be. And if I'm right, you were one of those peace mongers too, eh?
---Anyone else think these kinds of games are partly the reason why we're going to invade Iraq, North Korea, and various African countries once we're done there?
We shoulda nuked all those sorry-asses when we had the chance. ALl THEY DO IS bring a pock on this Earth!!
---Violence breed violence and encourages hate. Why do we love to hate?
Fuck you too, Appeaser!! NUKE EM ALL!! And let God sort 'em out!!!!!!
(tounge applied to cheek)
---if Microsoft figured out how to implement Google's page rank system
OH Come now.. We all know that Google uses the Pigeon Rank system.
I've said that we should ignore software patents UNTIL all the crap in the system is worked out. We still end up with a few garbage non-software patents...
But how do you prove non-intuitive to a non-computer geek? XOR was 'patented' a while back (in the eighties) as a way of coloring/moving the mouse. The company who got that patent then went to computer expos and simply blackmailed damn near everybody who said they had a gui (and had that negative mouse style).
We need to DISREGARD ALL SOFTWARE PATENTS until this mess is fixed. And yes, that means going through the patent papers and making projects that infringe upon them.
---Just check your e-mail in-box.
(checking).....(done)
Well, I've got a very high potential of increasing penis and breast size. And if I act now, I'll get double the 'supplements'.
---I wish cryogenicists would freeze LIVING people
They'd die anyways. You know what happens to water when you freeze it? It expands. Now picture all of your water in your body being frozen. When unfroze, you'd be a mass of humany bony glop from all your cells rupturing.
Now this MIGHT work if there was a sure fire way to replace water with a substance that was the similar size, similar weight, and didnt expand when frozen......
Do we go to sign up for research on this? I'd go for 'enhancement'.
Some of the stuff makes me uneasy, but there's a cost to everything.