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Matrix Special Edition Cancelled

An anonymous reader writes "According to The Digital Bits, the recently announced Matrix Special Edition has been cancelled. Rumor is that it was cancelled by the Wachowski brothers in hopes of coming out with a Super Collectors Special Edition later."

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  1. No Official Reason? by TPIRman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: "There's no official reason given as to why this SE was cancelled."

    From the studio article in the same article: "Warner Home Video will not be releasing the previously announced The Matrix Special Edition double-disc DVD. In a shift in strategy to broaden The Matrix fan base prior to the May 15 theatrical release of the highly anticipated sequel The Matrix Reloaded, Warner Home Video will reprice The Matrix DVD to $19.99 SRP on April 29."

    There's your official reason right there, and it's reasonable. If Warner released an expensive special edition now, it would push the standard Matrix DVD farther back on the shelves. The special edition would sell well, undoubtedly, but only already-dedicated fans would be willing to pay a steep price. With Warner's new strategy, stores will promote the newly-discounted standard DVD, and newbies will be that much more encouraged to get into the film -- and subsequently more likely to head to theaters for the sequel. Makes good sense from a marketing point of view.

    Also, the article doesn't say that the SE has been killed forever -- indeed, it implies that a special edition of some kind will come out when Warner thinks the time is right.

    1. Re:No Official Reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      except releasing special edition would not remove the standard edition for the new comers to the franchise.

      fans get the special edition
      new comers get the (cheaper) normal edition

      don't see how NOT releasing the special edition is a better option, because then you're just depriving the fans.

    2. Re:No Official Reason? by KDan · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Fans will go to the movie anyway, and they'll buy the special collector edition whenever it comes out.

      If they released both, they'd have two products competing for shelf-space needlessly.

      Daniel

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    3. Re:No Official Reason? by TomServo · · Score: 1

      If the rumor that they're going to release a super collector's edition type thing is true, that's a good enough reason for me right there.

      If there's one thing that I hate about George Lucas, it's that he seems to purposefully release slightly better versions of the same movie every few years, just to make sure that he can get his fans to repeatedly buy the same film. They could have done the same thing with the Matrix, release a collector's edition now, then release yet another, even more feature-filled version in a year or two, making us buy three versions of the movie. Well, not making, but you get the idea.

      I'd prefer that they wait and then release a *final* collector's edition of the movie, and if that's truly the case here, I'm all for this decision.

    4. Re:No Official Reason? by Lawbeefaroni · · Score: 0, Funny

      Smile. They just saved you $26.99

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    5. Re:No Official Reason? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "don't see how NOT releasing the special edition is a better option, because then you're just depriving the fans."

      "Milking the franchise via special edition DVD's" has been a hot topic lately. Lots of people feel burned when they buy a DVD, only to have a new DVD a few months later that contains bonus footage.

      It's possible that the Wachao..uh...however-you-spell-their-name Brothers has concerns about this release tainting a future and potentially more lucrative release.

    6. Re:No Official Reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, who cares? I am already so sick of the Matrix as it is. I could care less about the stupid little cartoons, and yet another Hollywood blockbuster featuring "bullet time" isn't going to do anything for me, even if it was the original movie which I've now seen too many times that started it all.

    7. Re:No Official Reason? by matastas · · Score: 1

      Like the parent says, good idea from a marketing perspective. By discounting the standard version and keeping the ubergeek salivating over a Collector's Edition. So what do they accomplish?

      -Get new fans into the mix with a cheaper DVD and lure them to the theatre
      -Keep the geeks chomping at the bit for a Mega Edition; after the sequels are out, they'll kill everyone in a Best Buy for it.

      Besides. It'll be easier to crank out a Mega Edition later, rather than try to read the public's mind and estimate the demand for a Super Edition now (when we're almost guaranteed something better, down the road).

    8. Re:No Official Reason? by rabiteman · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Fans will go to the movie anyway, and they'll buy the special collector edition whenever it comes out.

      If they released both, they'd have two products competing for shelf-space needlessly.

      Oh, you mean products competing for shelf space like Warcraft III and the Warcraft III Collector's Edition? Or do you mean more like Windows XP Home vs Windows XP Pro? Hang on, maybe you mean it would be two competing products like 4-cylinder vs 6-cylinder models of the same automobile? Or perhaps the way Sony's top-of-the-line A/V equipment competes with its entry-level versions?

      It sure is a good thing that companies don't sell differently graded versions of the same product -- imagine the confusion if Coca-Cola began selling 12oz, 20oz, and 2L units of its beverages! The large 'fan' size would push the smaller 'newbie' drinks off the shelf! And even if the smaller sizes did get shelf space, they'd be competing with each other due to the similarity of their sizes. All the consumers would just get fed up of trying to decipher the options in front of them and end up leaving the store with a few 40s of Olde English instead.

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    9. Re:No Official Reason? by pstemari · · Score: 1

      There's only so much shelf space available at the really critical locations--checkout lines, mid-aisle displays, etc. Access to that space is highly competitive and you can't really push two similar items at the same time.

    10. Re:No Official Reason? by someguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to be missing the idea behind normal retail.

      Car dealerships don't have hundreds of models like places that sell movies have hundreds of movies.

      Coke is a firmly entrenched product. In many places it isn't even competing with more than one other company. The campus I attend school at is exlusively Coke. This isn't a situation they can pull with the Matrix DVDs.

      Your Warcraft example doesn't really hold up either. At most times there are no more than a few dozen titles that are being pushed by retail outlets. Again, many fewer titles to compete for marketshare than in the movie section.

      Or maybe you do see the Matrix as being that important as to be on the same level. What WB seems to be trying to accomplish here is ensuring greater sales for the super Matrix edition later by teasing people in with the entry level. Newbies who bought the Matrix normal edition and fell in love probably wouldn't be willing to go out the next day and get the super version. Give them a few months to dig on the normal version AND a new movie - you've not only sold a basic copy, but a super copy as well to the same person.

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    11. Re:No Official Reason? by los+furtive · · Score: 1

      don't see how NOT releasing the special edition is a better option, because then you're just depriving the fans.

      You've obviously never purchased a product that says "New and Improved!" or "New Packaging, same great taste!" before. And you call yourself a consumer?

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    12. Re:No Official Reason? by pod · · Score: 1

      The main reason is that producing a quality special edition DVD would take away the brothers' time away from the sequels and the ultimate (as in 'inevitable') trilogy special edition release. From that point of view, not having a Matrix SE makes perfect sense.

      Also, now that the last two movies are almost out, most people know a 3-movie single release edition is just around the corner, and will wait a while and spend their money on THAT. In the mean-time, the cheaper regular edition will do to catch them up on the plot.

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    13. Re:No Official Reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wachao..uh...however-you-spell-their-name

      Racist!!!

    14. Re:No Official Reason? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "It's possible that the Wachao..uh...however-you-spell-their-name Brothers has concerns about this release tainting a future and potentially more lucrative release."

      That, or they plan on going all Lucas-like, and eventually selling fifteen different versions of the same movie throughout the next decade, never at the same time.

    15. Re:No Official Reason? by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not quite a fair comparison. Windows didn't come out with XP Home, then 6 months later (with no advanced notice) Windows XP Pro. Honda doesn't release a 4-cylinder model, then follow it up 6 months later with a 6-cylinder model with no advanced warning. Coke is a disposable product, not a collectible, so it doesn't even remotely apply. The point is, I wouldn't have bothered with the initial release if I had known that 6 months later (or in this case, 4 years later) the "ultimate" release would be available that makes my initial purchase less worthy. I wouldn't mind if the original release was much cheaper ($10), as long as I knew a better version was available down the line. Then I could choose whether I wanted the simpler/cheaper package now or wait for the "ultimate" release. New Line, to their credit, did just this with Lord of the Rings. I chose to wait and compare the two releases (the original vs the 4-disk set) and I chose to buy the 4-disk set (even though it cost more).

    16. Re:No Official Reason? by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      See, I usually end up leaving with a few 40s of O.E. anyway, no matter where I go. :) Unless of course they're stocking Colt 45. I guess you could call it the Calrissian factor.

    17. Re:No Official Reason? by PCM2 · · Score: 1
      There's your official reason right there, and it's reasonable. If Warner released an expensive special edition now, it would push the standard Matrix DVD farther back on the shelves.
      Though your argument sounds reasonable, I doubt this is what's really behind the studio's decision. After all, it's not like they're still trying to clear out their old back stock of the original Matrix DVD.
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    18. Re:No Official Reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron!!!

    19. Re:No Official Reason? by ruprechtjones · · Score: 1

      he seems to purposefully release slightly better versions of the same movie every few years, just to make sure that he can get his fans to repeatedly buy the same film.

      This is a very good business decision, based on a unique situation (he both owns and controls a unique franchise that is hard to compete with). I think it's very clever, and the people that keep coming back to buy each version don't have to do it, but they do. He is simply exploiting this.

      I haven't bought anything from the original series in over a decade (I'm waiting for the SE DVD 6-pack that'll come out in 2007), but my pals rush out and buy anything new from Lucasfilm, regardless of content, just to have it in their collection.

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    20. Re:No Official Reason? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Somehow I thought The Matrix alread had an SRP of $20, but I looked it up and apparently it has an SRP of $25. Not exactly a big price drop, but the original release time its pricing was actually pretty good.

    21. Re:No Official Reason? by Banjonardo · · Score: 3, Funny
      Wachao

      Bless you.

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    22. Re:No Official Reason? by TomServo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I tried to sorta correct myself, I realize that people don't *have* to buy each version. It may even be a good business decision on his part, but I consider it to be kinda sneaky and underhanded to plan it all out.

      It was sorta like the Lord of the Rings DVD as well. I didn't buy the original DVD release because I knew a better one was coming later. If I hadn't known, and had bought the original, only to have a better version come out later, I would have been pretty upset. Sure, it probably made them more money, but to me it would have felt like they were trying to take advantage of those who were their biggest fans.

      So while this may not make as much money in the long run, I think it's better from a customer relations standpoint.

    23. Re:No Official Reason? by Konowl · · Score: 1

      Coke is a disposable product, not a collectible, so it doesn't even remotely apply.

      I beg to differ!

    24. Re:No Official Reason? by humming · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You wrote:
      > fans get the special edition
      > new comers get the (cheaper) normal edition

      No, fans won't buy it at all. Since fans already have the Matrix Original DVD and the Matrix Revisited DVD.

      Ans since the Special Edition was nothing else but the Original bundled with the Revisited, why would /anyone/ get the Special Edition?

      This is what they have realized and thus dropped the whole 'Special Edition' idea.

      //H

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    25. Re:No Official Reason? by quintessent · · Score: 1

      Lots of people feel burned when they buy a DVD, only to have a new DVD a few months later that contains bonus footage.

      You may be thinking of LOTR. In their defence, I will note that the two versions were announced well ahead of time. I waited for the expanded version, because that's the one I wanted.

    26. Re:No Official Reason? by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 1

      They announced it because they knew guys like me would buy both versions.

      In my defense, the first release is the theatrical cut. Once I have all three and do a LOTR marathon, I may want to shave 30 minutes off each showing so I may actually use that dvd again. Maybe.

      I won't be buying the SE of the Matrix though - it's not that good of a movie and I doubt it will really add that much to it...

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    27. Re:No Official Reason? by TamathAltarak · · Score: 1

      I chose to buy both the Lord of the Rings editions, the first release and the 4 disc box set. Its a film I enjoy and a book I also enjoy. New Line will get my money for the next releases as well, no matter how many different editions they release (providing there is new material).

    28. Re:No Official Reason? by quintessent · · Score: 1

      I'm not a troll, I'm just misunderstood...

      In that spirit, I've thought of a useful saying: "If you haven't been modded down lately, it could be that you're just pandering." Of course, all my down-moderators lately have cowered behind "Overrated". As Mr. Shakespeare first posted hundreds of years ago, "First, let's kill all of the moderators."

      In your defense too, your cash supported to one of the few worthy cinematic projects of our time. Star Wars I-II is heartless washed up drivel next to LOTR.

      I like the user name, by the way.

    29. Re:No Official Reason? by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, that the two versions are complementary. Each contains unique material, that to a collector adds value. Different sets of commentary, special features and interviews.

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  2. What? No Matrix 1.5? by Astroboy! · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can they hope to keep up with the X-Men franchise?

    1. Re:What? No Matrix 1.5? by insanecarbonbasedlif · · Score: 1

      I just can't wait until the X-Men/Matrix crossover movie. It is set (tentatively, I think) to come out after X-Men XXIII (Which will be a Spiderman crossover, I believe). Comic book that, man of steel.

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    2. Re:What? No Matrix 1.5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how marvelicious that would be...

    3. Re:What? No Matrix 1.5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what could they call it? "Matrix: BSOD"? They've used up all their titles on the three that are out...

    4. Re:What? No Matrix 1.5? by JPelorat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Matrix: Rehashed

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    5. Re:What? No Matrix 1.5? by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      You've not been watching the animatrix releases, then? That's your matrix prequels, demi-sequels, and hemi-demi-super-sequels all roled into one...

      So don't panic, there's going to be a DVD to spend your money on before reloaded comes out this summer.

    6. Re:What? No Matrix 1.5? by zackbar · · Score: 1

      I actually wondered for a moment if you were serious. Then I saw you'd written X-Men 23.

      Got me.

    7. Re:What? No Matrix 1.5? by sadohioguy · · Score: 1

      I think that the matrix can compete with x men,come on x men is a horrible comic box to movie transision but the matrix is a totaly new thing with its own story and the matrix does not have a watered down comic book plot we have all heard before.

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  3. They had though of releasing both versions by plexxer · · Score: 5, Funny

    but George Lucas has that idea patented already.

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    1. Re:They had though of releasing both versions by Tassach · · Score: 1

      If that is the case, it would appear that Peter Jackson & New Line Cinema are infringing on it.

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    2. Re:They had though of releasing both versions by finkployd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not really, Lucas's patent specifically covers the concept of tricking people into thinking that each release will be the "last and greatest" one, only to tweak the film and make Greedo shoot first, and release it again.

      Peter Jackson was always up front about what is being released and when. Everyone know there would be two, a theatrical DVD and an extended DVD shortly after. They have also already claimed there would be a big honkin' box set when it is all finished.

      Finkployd

    3. Re:They had though of releasing both versions by clontzman · · Score: 1

      Compare the pre-special edition versions of the SW trilogy with the special editions of the Star Wars trilogy and I think you'll find you're mistaken. The thing that made the SE's worth buying wasn't the extra footage (totally agree on the Greedo thing) -- if you compare them side-by-side, the SE footage is much, much clearer and brighter.

      I'm not saying that Lucas wasn't pulling a milk, but the SE tapes are significantly better than the ones that came before.

    4. Re:They had though of releasing both versions by Tassach · · Score: 1

      I'd like to have (dare I suggest it) an SE DVD that lets me pick whether I want to see the original or enhanced version of a particular scene. EG: I like most of of the enhancements in the SE, but would like to be able to revert to the old version for some of the more egregous plot modifications (the aforementioned scene being the best example)

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    5. Re:They had though of releasing both versions by MCZapf · · Score: 1
      Yes, someone should tell George Lucas that this is an ability that was purposely included in the DVD format! Unfortunately, George Lucas likes to pretend that the original version of Star Wars is nothing more than a rough cut, never to be released [again].

      Yeah, it's unfortunate that we had to put up with the original for twenty years. He doesn't give himself enough credit - or maybe he takes too much.

    6. Re:They had though of releasing both versions by clontzman · · Score: 1

      No doubt... selectively remove the Greedy first-shot while leaving in the updated X-Wings at the end... snip out the new Sy Snootles song and dance number... replace Jar Jar's patois with an alien voice and subtitles...

      And remove what must, must, must be the worst line in the entire Star Wars Saga:

      Say it with me...

      "Now -- THIS -- is podracing!"

      *shudder*

  4. No by gazbo · · Score: 0, Troll

    It was cancelled because it is the most overrated film ever, and they realised that those outside slashdot wouldn't touch it with a shitty stick.

  5. unfortunately i cant show you what it is by mAIsE · · Score: 3, Funny

    no one can be told what the speciali edition is... ;)

    1. Re:unfortunately i cant show you what it is by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "no one can be told what the speciali edition is... ;)"

      I heard that they cancelled the new release because not enough of the testers were taking the right pill that came with it.

  6. Reason. by Renraku · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real reason is that the machines from the Matrix and the machines from Skynet are in different unions, and refuse to work together in the same world, just to entertain us humans.

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  7. Hmmm... by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If they indeed cancelled it because they'd rather do the whole thing later on, and do it better, then you have to give them credit. How pi$$ed would fans be if they came out with the SE, and then another version of the same stuff later on?

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by mattlary · · Score: 1

      I believe they did something like that with Army of Darkness, I had a roommate who had many copies of the trilogy because they kept coming out with new Special Editions. Of course, it would be a good idea for the Matrix franchise to do the same thing if they want to make lots of $.

      -Matt

    2. Re:Hmmm... by sweetooth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean like every other movie out there? I love how the James Bond box set was released right before the theatre release of a new movie. Hmmm, maybe so they can sell an updated boxed set later on? Or X-Men 1.5. If I had known they were going to release a special edition before X2 came out I would have waited. Instead I'm just going to be happy with the original release. Of course most of my friends rushed out and bought 1.5.

      It's all about gouging the customers for an extra $40. I can't tell you how many people I know didn't realize that a LoTR:FoTR special edition was going to be released in November. They rushed out and bought the theatrical release and then bought the special edtion later for the extra footage. Of course the theatrical release will sit on a shelf collecting dust, but the studio got their extra $20 so who cares right?

    3. Re:Hmmm... by theperplepigg · · Score: 1
      no shit. When the first LOTR movie came out on DVD, a friend of mine bought a copy (what was it, 2-disk? 3?). Pre-ordered, even. Boy, was he pissed when I told him I was waiting until November because of the 4-disc set.

      --paul

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    4. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they do that about once a year, in a week or two, AOD:ii boomstick edition is coming out.

    5. Re:Hmmm... by Sgs-Cruz · · Score: 1
      Well, you can't blame New Line for the LOTR special edition --- from the very beginning, they had said that there was going to be a special FOTR edition in November. I knew about it long before the 'stndard theatrical edition' DVD came out, and subsequently did not buy the theatrical edition. I bought the longer one.

      Now George Lucas on the other hand...:p

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    6. Re:Hmmm... by tuffy · · Score: 4, Informative
      no shit. When the first LOTR movie came out on DVD, a friend of mine bought a copy (what was it, 2-disk? 3?). Pre-ordered, even. Boy, was he pissed when I told him I was waiting until November because of the 4-disc set.

      It was 2 discs, and none of the stuff on his disc of extras can be found anywhere on your 4 disc set. So, if one really wants the "ultimate" version of the film, with both cuts and all the extras, both sets are needed. But one has little cause for surprise or complaint, since New Line announced this strategy months before the DVD release and one could find all the versions listed at DVD retailers' web sites for a very long time.

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    7. Re:Hmmm... by sweetooth · · Score: 1

      I did the same with FoTR. However, my point was that many (most) people didn't know. I was at suncoast buying Rob Roy back when the FoTR theatricle release pre orders first started and the guy at the register tried to get me to pre order the movie. I explained I had no desire to pay for it twice and would just buy the release in November. He asked me "What release in November?" At this point it became crystal clear to me why this is such a successful practice. Even if you do plan on releasing two copies of a movie the majority of people will never know about it until they are both released.

    8. Re:Hmmm... by ckaminski · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, what pisses me off most about Army of Darkness, is that I cannot seem to get a version with *ALL* of the publicly released footage. For example, the TV version has some extra scenes in the windmall that are present on the Japanese subtitled import, but that video is missing a bunch of other scenes in the castle. And the 3, count em three different DVD versions are still missing the same scenes. It's fucking annoying. One of my favorite movies, and I can't seem to get one whole cohesive piece. ARRGGH!!!!

      Too bad I'll never be able to watch Bruce Campbell in any movie or TV show and not think: "Well maybe I didn't pronounce every exact syllable, but yeah, I said your damn words..." :-)

    9. Re:Hmmm... by Mikeytsi · · Score: 1, Informative

      I trust you've read his book too? For those of you that haven't, it's fucking great. Gives you some real insight on the Raimi brothers in addition to telling you about one of the best known "working stiff" actors.

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    10. Re:Hmmm... by someguy · · Score: 1

      The boomstick edition is AFAIK a relabelled limited edition. There just weren't enough limiteds to go around when that came out a few years back. I don't think this specific instance is them trying to get people to get two copies.

      But oh lord... I own way too many copies of Evil Dead 1.

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    11. Re:Hmmm... by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      Yeah - and could someone please tell Coppola to finish Apocalypse Now already? I've bought too many copies of that film. And Ridley, would you quit playing with Blade Runner? Just stick all the footage on a big DVD box set and give me a few menu options - original theatrical release, directors first cut, directors second cut, studio cut, network TV cut, special edition, redux, digital remaster, phantom edit...

    12. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a directors cut at best buy with the alternate ending. Anyway, it had more extra footage than the VHS copy I used to own (kid in HS barrowed it and never gave it back) particularly in the windmill and also a sex scene (kinda) which gives more light to the "Well, that is just what we call pilla' talk baby"

    13. Re:Hmmm... by KiahZero · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think there is. My Dad got a five? disk boxed set for Christmas.... it's very distinctive. It's a cube significantly larger than a normal DVD case (it has normal ones inside). I agree about the fact that everyone should have known about it far in advance. It wasn't like Nintendo with the Gameboy Advance SP that came out of nowhere.

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    14. Re:Hmmm... by Atrahasis · · Score: 1

      I also have that set. It is simply the 4-disc extended edition in a larger presentation box, with two Argonath book-ends.

  8. Only try to realise the truth: ... by kafka93 · · Score: 3, Funny

    .. there is no Special Edition.

  9. Dilution by chemstar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder to what extent the expeience of the movie itself becomes diluted with such marketing iterations.

  10. Don't worry by blitzoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    No need to worry, the Super Ultra Deluxe Megaton Special Edition DX Matrix will be coming out soon.

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  11. Super Collectors Special Edition by MnO-Raphael · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will this one have all guns replaced by walkie-talkies? Or is that Super Extended Collectors Special Edition?

    1. Re:Super Collectors Special Edition by Maserati · · Score: 5, Funny

      "We need walkie-talkies, lots of walkie-talkies."

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  12. You mean Unloaded, not Cancelled. by Limburgher · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dammit. Could have been so much cooler.

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  13. Why bother? I'm waiting for the ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Super Mega Ultra Special Edition of the Matrix trilogy. That will include enough code to actually create your own Matrix, enslave, at the very least, members of your own family AND do wire work with the best of them (assuming the best of them can't do the kung fu moves without being attached to a wire rig). And it will be reasonably priced for the holiday season.

    1. Re:Why bother? I'm waiting for the ... by paulychamp · · Score: 1

      But you can trade their spare CPU cycles for MP3s?

  14. DVD's and Movies with Sequels by ManUMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given that most DVD's now contain special features, it seems like the prudent thing to do is wait until the entire series (LOTR, Star Wars, Matrix, etc.) is released together. Why would I want to pony up the bucks for one special edition DVD when I can wait and get the ultra-super-extra-even specialer Box collection? Further, if you don't know if they are going to release the ultra-super-extra-even specialer Box collection, would you wait until all the DVD's were out just in case? I guess I am going to wait a while before investing in DVD's of any of these series until I see if they will release a whole series of DVD's.

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    1. Re:DVD's and Movies with Sequels by SuuSt · · Score: 1

      It may be prudent, and it may save you to $20 to $30 in the long run, but in the short run I get to go ahead and watch all the movies at home whenever I feel like it, and don't have to wait until November of 2004 or possibly later for the final boxed set of LOTR to come out. If such a box set comes and contains more goodies that make it worth an extra $60 or whatever it costs, then I'll probably buy it too, and won't care one bit that I own some movies two or three times. In essence, it's worth $30 for me to watch FoTR and all it's bonus stuff now even if it means I might wind up buying it again in the future. Of course NewLine will have to put enough goodies on there to make me feel it's worth it, whoever made X-Men 1.5 failed to do that, so it's getting a rental.

  15. Moved to archive: by DeadSea · · Score: 4, Informative

    The correct link for the article, since the article was moved off the home page into the archives.

  16. Realize the truth: by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 0, Funny

    There is no Matrix Special Edition.

    Woah.

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  17. Any word... by Junta · · Score: 1

    on if there will be along the way a Super Matrix: Champion Edition? Maybe the viewer could go through the movie from the perspective of an agent...

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  18. I know what was behind this: by burgburgburg · · Score: 1
    Colossus, the Forbin Project.

    Jealous? That does not compute!

    1. Re:I know what was behind this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I know what was behind this: Colossus, the Forbin Project.

      Hum, and here I thought it was Guardian...

      When are they release that classic on DVD, anyway?

    2. Re:I know what was behind this: by sherpajohn · · Score: 1

      An incredible movie...I thought when I first saw it anyways...and hey, to see Victor Newman (Eric's character on the Y&R) as a young man in a sci-fi-ish movie is bonus.

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  19. Re:Fine with me! by NerveGas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's not necessarily because they "couldn't get it right". A lot of actors have realized that folks really like the bonus features, like deleted scenes. So, what do they do? When they're not pretending to know about world politics, they're demanding that they be paid extra for anything used as bonus features on a DVD.

    They're already getting paid to shoot scenese. Then they want MORE money if some of those scenes are used in the bonus features. My, isn't that an interesting economical perspective.

    steve

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  20. When asked for comment... by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Matrix star Keanu Reeves replied: "Whoa."

  21. Not to mention... by JayBlalock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "Special Edition" DVD was going to be 90% recycled material from the original Matrix and Matrix Revisited DVDs, with only a bit more added. Perhaps someone realized that no one was going to buy it. (casual fans would just buy the movie, hardcore fans already have 'Revisited') Kudos to the Wachowskis for NOT trying to gouge their fans!

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  22. Noooooo! by Jordy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well I guess we can't have everything.

    At least we'll have the Platinum Edition, Superbit Edition, Limited Edition, Full Screen Edition, Widescreen Edition, Platinum Series Exteneded Edition, Collector's Edition, Boomstick Edition, Box Set, Unrated Edition, Criterion Edition, Ultimate Edition, 20th Anniversary Edition (in 20 years), Director's Cut, Deluxe Edition and of course this Super Collectors Special Edition to buy and enjoy!

    My god I'm stick of DVD editions.

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    1. Re:Noooooo! by josh+crawley · · Score: 1

      Dont forget "Special Edition 2003" !

    2. Re:Noooooo! by mhesseltine · · Score: 1

      And "Special Edition Longhorn (Build 4008)"

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    3. Re:Noooooo! by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      Versions of DVD editions? Well, which is better? Matrix 3.1, Matrix 4.0, which is also Matrix NT? Or maybe Matrix 98, or Matrix 98 SE. Better Stay away from Matrix ME. How about Matrix 2.2.3.5.6? If we keep buying every edition of every movie that producers make, then they definitly are going to keep making more versions. Matrix 2.2.3.5.7, with the scraps of footage that we got of this tape drive, anyone?

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    4. Re:Noooooo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, didja hear that the Terminator movies will be rereleased, again, for the T3 event? I wonder what they will trump the 'Ultimate Edition' with?

    5. Re:Noooooo! by PCM2 · · Score: 1
      My god I'm stick of DVD editions.
      On a related (but off-topic) note, does anyone know the "best" version of Army of Darkness to buy? Seems like there must have been about eight of them released...
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    6. Re:Noooooo! by G-funk · · Score: 1

      And of course don't forget - none of these will actually be a special edition of the film, just the same friggin movie with different interviews and behind the scenes "bonuses"

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    7. Re:Noooooo! by Belgand · · Score: 1

      Actually a new version is coming out soon (and I think may already be out) The "Boomstick Edition", basically this is a reprint of the limited edition released a few years ago by Anchor Bay and will contain the theatrical version and the director's cut (currently available as the "Official Bootleg").

      Part of the problem stems from having two main versions of the film that get put out in limited editions and such then go away (limited editions with exclusive content suck, just give them cool packaging or something). Since the original limited edition came out just about a year before DVD really blew up in the general consumer market it's been getting rather high (~$50-100) prices second-hand.

      As far as the best get the most recent version of either the theatrical, the official bootleg, or the new boomstick edition if you want both versions. It really depends on which version you prefer.

      The Evil Dead itself has had more versions due to the age of the film and other issues (the recent limited edition has a booklet on all the various versions and the reasons for so many).

    8. Re:Noooooo! by Banjonardo · · Score: 1

      If you're gonna wait for twenty years, just get the Criterion Collection. That always rocks.

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  23. The reason why... by Toasty16 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...they cancelled it because the special edition was just the original Matrix DVD bundled with "Enter the Matrix", a making-of DVD that was previously only available as a separate purchase. That makes buying the "Special Edition" redundant because every geek worth his salt already has the Matrix DVD, so now they would have TWO identical DVDs and a making-of DVD. With that stupid project cancelled, the Wachowskis+WB can work on a TRUE special edition, possibly with more special features and commentary by cast members other than Carrie-Anne Moss. Of course, I can't wait to be fleeced of $70 for the ultra-mega-super-duper edition 6-disc trilogy set coming out after the release of the "The Matrix: Revolutions."

    1. Re:The reason why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> I can't wait to be fleeced of $70 for the ultra-mega-super-duper edition 6-disc trilogy

      Noone's forcing you to buy it. The only reason you will buy it is because of collectible value, or more likely geek-appeal.

      Of course you prove this right here:

      >> every geek worth his salt already has the Matrix DVD, so now they would have TWO identical DVDs and a making-of DVD

      So dont buy it. If that makes you feel impotent in front of your other geek friends, that's your problem.

    2. Re:The reason why... by Toasty16 · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstood me. I'm not indignant or angry about studios re-releasing special editions of movies, I really can't wait to be fleeced of $70 for the ultra-mega-super-duper edition 6-disc trilogy! What I mean is that I want to spend some cash on a movie I already have because the new version has extended outtakes of the main character picking his nose. I love that stuff and don't mind spending money on it. Is that more clear? Hrmm, I always have to spell it out for clueless ACs...

    3. Re:The reason why... by dswensen · · Score: 1
      Of course, I can't wait to be fleeced of $70 for the ultra-mega-super-duper edition 6-disc trilogy set coming out after the release of the "The Matrix: Revolutions."

      Yeah, it's a real shame you don't have free will or anything, that'd really help you avoid having to buy every edition.

    4. Re:The reason why... by op51n · · Score: 1

      yea, i'm holding out for the trilogy set. I still haven't bothered to get the original on DVD or video in any format cos I know I'll get the trilogy. I just have it videoed off tv for now. Not that I need to watch it that often either.

    5. Re:The reason why... by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      op51n, do what I did. I bought a used DVD of The Matrix and The Matrix Revisited. I got them both for less than US$20.00.

      The crappy cardboard cases are, well crappy and scuffed, but the disks were in perfect condition and The Matrix even had the original advertising inserts still in case.

      The best VHS copy taped off the TV is no match for the DVD.

      The two DVDs have a tone of cool stuff on them, espcially the Revisited DVD.

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    6. Re:The reason why... by op51n · · Score: 1

      Ooh, that's a pretty good idea actually, cheers!
      Cos certainly I have wanted to get round to seeing the quality of the DVD, which with a film like Matrix would show it off superbly (I mean hell it was sony's test film).

      I'll go check out the video rental places...

  24. Very Nice Move by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Rumor is that it was cancelled by the Wachowski brothers in hopes of coming out with a Super Collectors Special Edition later."

    rather than trying to milk us for both the Special Edition and then (surprise!) the Super Collectors Special Edition.
    The theater release schedule is terrific as well.

    The Wachowski brothers are going to have a huge and satisfied fan base simply by doing the opposite of whatever this guy has done.

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    1. Re:Very Nice Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you, stupid?

      Lucas is NOT releasing multiple versions of DVDs. He is not "milking us" with DVDs now, just to hit us up for better ones later. Your venom is nothing but a lie. In fact, the Wachowski brothers are doing EXACTLY what Lucas is doing.

      How the hell did this get modded up to 4?

    2. Re:Very Nice Move by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1


      >He is not "milking us" with DVDs now, just to hit us up for better ones later

      #1, Sure he is. You bought them NOW didn't you? So who is stupid? You will buy the ones that come out later I'm sure. But first he's still got to re-release the first 3 movies in the theater again once or twice. Then comes the boxed set, the director's cut boxed set, and the silver anniversary 12 DVD Special Edition of all the movies nestled inside a plastic Millenium Falcon, including a 7 hour George Lucas Life Story and an interview where he interviews himself. What do you want to bet on it?

      #2 IMAX

      #3 Doh, Ask me how many different copies of Empire Strikes Back I own.

      Go ahead and disagree with my but don't do it like 15 year old.

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    3. Re:Very Nice Move by demaria · · Score: 1

      How many different copies of Empire? I only know of 2 (unless you got a laser disk version too).

    4. Re:Very Nice Move by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      I have at LEAST 3. The original version on VHS. The remastered boxed set (1994? 1996?) on VHS. The DVD from the movie rerelease in 98?

    5. Re:Very Nice Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has done one directors cut. If you bought multiple copies of Empire Strikes Back, that was your decision and had NOTHING to do with multiple versions released by Lucas. Your whole "point" with #1 is not only exaggerated, but doesnt even begin to look at the truth of the situation. There has been no announcements to indicate even one of those many products you listed are even planned. How can you accuse Lucas of being a "_____" when you are doing it for reasons that are SOLELY the figment of your imagination?

      IMAX had a running time limit of 2 hours for the reel. The movie had to be trimmed and Lucas didnt even oversee it. You will NOT see an IMAX version ever released for the home market. That is like you blaming Lucas for editting content for TV (commercial breaks, pan and scan, etc). The IMAX version had to be changed (scenes cut and picture cropped) in order to play at an IMAX theatre.

    6. Re:Very Nice Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Hey, is this your home page?

    7. Re:Very Nice Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont have a homepage. Nice move though. Since you wont admit that you were slamming Lucas for things you were making up, you resort to a personal putdown.

      Again, Lucas isnt even releasing the original trilogy on DVD yet. How can he "milk" the DVD releases without even releasing them?

      In 25 years since the very first Star Wars, he has released ONE set of director's cuts, under the name "Special Edition". He has refused to release the original trilogy on DVD, and only released the prequels on DVD after a huge outcry.

      You can say alot of things about Lucas that are bad, but one thing is certain, while Star Wars is a huge cash cow, he isnt milking it anywhere near the amount that he "could".

    8. Re:Very Nice Move by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 1

      He hasn't done it YET on DVD. Don't worry, he will. For the record, how many different versions of the original trilogy on VHS do you own? How about the Phantom Menace on VHS (because he originally wasn't going to release it on DVD until 3 prequels were complete)? Odds are, you already have 2 versions of Episode 1 (DVD and VHS). I do, only I bought the VCD (from overseas) instead of the VHS. What do you think the odds are of the original trilogy only being packages as part of a deluxe 6-DVD (or more) box set, forcing you to re-purchase the prequels once again. I'm betting it happens. I grew up with the original series (saw Star Wars at the drive in when I was 6 yrs old). I loved Star Wars, I even saw The Phantom Menace 8 times in the theatre, but I'm a little jaded now with Georges preoccupation with merchandising and special effects over a decent storyline and acting. All of this special edition crap is really getting to me. I'll go see Episode III probably the day it is released and I'm sure to buy the DVD, but I'll pass on multiple viewings (I find Episode's I and II too boring to watch now that I own them) and I certainly won't buy any more special editions. What really annoys me is that he is threatening not to release the original trilogy on DVD - only the special editions (which really sucked).

    9. Re:Very Nice Move by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 1

      what dvd? It's never been (officially) released on DVD.

    10. Re:Very Nice Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a hurry and thought it was pretty funny.

      He released 3. See above poster. I have them all. VHS is shitty. He's keeping the DVD's to himself. Like Disney. For better milking later. But I submit the nit was successfully picked. It was VHS not DVD.

      >..while Star Wars is a huge cash cow, he isnt milking it anywhere near the amount that he "could".

      Do you actually remember the first 3 coming out? Combine the 2 dozen varieties of lunch box, our illustrious darthray's life's work and an endless supply of 16 and 32 ounce fast food "Collectors" cups..and the fact that we're even having this insipid discussion, oohh he's milked it baby!

      /out

  25. Re:Fine with me! by scott1853 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree, although I'd like to see a professionally made documentary done for the "making of" feature in movies. Every one I've seen has been nothing more that the supervisors spending 15 minutes talking over some movie footage. Even then they're terribly unprepared, as every other word is "uh".

  26. Re:Fine with me! by nojomofo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of actors have realized that folks really like ... deleted scenes."

    On the "UHF" DVD, during the deleted scenes section, Al says several times that, basically, there's a reason that the scenes were deleted. In some instances, it might be interesting to know what was going through the director's mind (or at least getting hints about it), but I think in most cases, Al is right - watch the movie, the deleted scenes aren't in it for a reason.

  27. Super Mega Extra Editions ... by zonix · · Score: 1

    So first we have a 'Special Edition', then a 'Super Collectors Special Edition'.

    Is it me, or is this beginning to sound like those soap and vacuum cleaner commercials on TV?

    I'll have the 3-in-1 Matrix Super Special Collector's Limited Edition, then! ;-)

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    1. Re:Super Mega Extra Editions ... by tomhudson · · Score: 0

      Actually, in homage to obese couch potatoes everywhere, they're going to introduce the "super-sized" edition.

  28. Super Collectors Special Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Super Collectors Special Edition. Ok, who hired the guys who name the Street Fighter 2 games?

  29. Ah, the Lucas gambit by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Rumor is that it was cancelled by the Wachowski brothers in hopes of coming out with a Super Collectors Special Edition later

    This is how it works:
    1. Shoot a movie, but keep all the unused material from the cutting room floor
    2. Every few months, splice some of these back into the film, think of a new name for the film like "Special Edition", "Director's Cut", "Colllector's Edition" or any combination of the above, or reformat it to widescreen. Sell this new film at full price in the stores.
    3. PROFIT!!


    Who are the customers? Die hard fans, and relatives who have no idea what to get someone for xmas/birthday but remember that they liked the film when it was on at the cinema. Don't get me wrong, I thought The Matrix was a good film, but it was never a cultural revolution, it was always a franchise.
    1. Re:Ah, the Lucas gambit by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      You got it backwards, it's the Anti-Lucas Gambit.
      They cancelled, not announced, another version. They're consolidating rather than incrementally updating and releasing.

    2. Re:Ah, the Lucas gambit by lucasw · · Score: 1

      Shoot a movie, but keep all the unused material from the cutting room floor

      Every few months, splice some of these back into the film, think of a new name for the film like "Special Edition", "Director's Cut", "Colllector's Edition" or any combination of the above, or reformat it to widescreen. Sell this new film at full price in the stores.


      Sometimes it's greed, but mostly I'd think it's common business sense. Normal editions for less popular films probably don't sell many copies, and the special editions even less. The special edition doesn't come 'free.' Editing costs money, developing and color processing film and tweaking individual frames, mixing sound, etc. costs money. Therefore if enough people buy the regular edition, it may be profitable to produce a special edition. The time difference also gives more people a chance to discover the film and a larger fan base to grow- which may be critical for lower profile movies.

      It may be standard practice these days to plan for dvd extras during production, but the actors still have to be brought back to see a finalized version in order to do commentaries. The commentaries probably get better if a few months (or years) have passed since the film was released to the public, so the actors and directories have a chance to see it fresh in new light, rather than: "What I was trying to do here in this scene when I directing/acting earlier this morning was..."

      The timed content release business method works pretty well for generating fresh buyers as well as pleasing current fans. Most movies will not have a perpetual shelf life- if you want to maintain interest in a movie (while perhaps also testing the markets for sequels or similar films), there needs to be constant new content for fans to repeatedly get excited about- and the newcomers will see on the shelf something new (and old) that would have otherwise been relegated to specialty stores or the bottom of bargain bins.

    3. Re:Ah, the Lucas gambit by Banjonardo · · Score: 1
      a new name for the film like "Special Edition", "Director's Cut", "Colllector's Edition" or any combination of the above

      How about Edition's Cut Special Director-Collector?

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  30. Ad-dot by macshune · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stuff is news, from nerds that matter.

  31. As the young, bald candidate said.. by grub · · Score: 1, Funny


    There is no Special Edition.

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  32. DVD Crock ! by bushboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Beware of what your buying into...

    You pay the price to see the movie big-screen and then they can fleece you later on with the same movie on DVD that has *EXTRA FEATURES*

    Later on, there's a super-extended *Directors Cut* version.

    The bad side of this digital-age is obvious - overpriced, over-sold, over exagerated, redundant.

    The good side is not so obvious and rarely seen these days - pure quality and value for money.

    This quality is out there, but my god, you have to wade through 90% of crap to find it.

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    1. Re:DVD Crock ! by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >> they can fleece you later on with the same movie on DVD that has *EXTRA FEATURES*

      How is that fleecing you? You don't need to buy the Special Edition, the Collectors Edition, and the Boxed Set when it's released.

      I don't get the whole "how dare they think of offering a product that I dont need" attitude.

      You dont want it? Dont buy it. What's the rub?

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    2. Re:DVD Crock ! by malraid · · Score: 1

      You are right, this is redundant, so you should be modded as redundant? You want choice? There's your choice, you can either buy it or not. This is a free market, they sell (if they want) and you buy (if you want) I'm a big fan of Matrix, even though I didn't watch it on the movies, but would most likely watch the new ones on the movies. That means that, at least for me, their product is GOOD. If they release 3 movies with pretty much the same script (like with "The Crow") they won't be seeing me again in the movies. Simple.

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    3. Re:DVD Crock ! by DaveOf9thKey · · Score: 1

      This quality is out there, but my god, you have to wade through 90% of crap to find it.

      And that's different from any other period in movie history how?

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    4. Re:DVD Crock ! by WankersRevenge · · Score: 5, Funny

      This quality is out there, but my god, you have to wade through 90% of crap to find it.

      And how is this any different from posting on Slashdot?

      ;)

    5. Re:DVD Crock ! by unDiWahn · · Score: 0

      Lol.

      It's funny because it's true, damnit!

    6. Re:DVD Crock ! by pauls2272 · · Score: 1

      Your just confirming Sturgeons law.

      Sturgeons Law: 90% of everything is crap.

    7. Re:DVD Crock ! by rsborg · · Score: 1
      I don't get the whole "how dare they think of offering a product that I dont need" attitude.

      Here's why it sucks:

      1. Your friend, a wannabe $MAIN_CHARACTER spends money on this rather than on other stuff that would be more enjoyable, and claims he's 1337
      2. Your ex-surrogate-grand-aunt heard from your 2nd cousin, twice removed, that you liked this series, so they buy you the DVD for christmas (by which time, the *real* special edition DVD, the one you wanted instead of this crippled version is out in stores)
      3. They spent money marketting and selling this
        and the worst... drumroll
      4. The shitty ads that whet your appetite and keep the interest at insane levels

      I hate unneeded product as much as those wasted AOL cd's that keep littering my mailbox.

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    8. Re:DVD Crock ! by BryanL · · Score: 1

      I think he meant to type "crack" not "crock."

    9. Re:DVD Crock ! by duggy_92127 · · Score: 1

      How do you spell relief?

      "Threshold 4, Highest Scores First"

      Ahhh.....

      Doug

    10. Re:DVD Crock ! by Savatte · · Score: 1

      He said 90%. The crap content on slashdot is approaching critical mass.

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  34. Obligatory PVP link for multiple DVD versions by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 5, Funny


    Click here

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  35. The brothers made a good move by quick9vb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think they made a good move by delaying this. They decided not to alientate those potential customers who are not already Matrix loyalists as other movie franchises have, i.e. Star Wars, LOTR. It is tough for a non-franchise fan to get into the all movie hoopla if they haven't seen where the franchise originated, especially if they have to spend $50 for a special edition for a movie they aren't even sure they will like.

    Opinions may vary on what franchise is best, or whether or not this was a good move for the current fan base, but in the end it will all work out. The Matrix fanatics who are complaining and freaking out about the announcement will still be the first ones in the line to purchase the special editions next spring.

    1. Re:The brothers made a good move by gotroot801 · · Score: 1

      It is tough for a non-franchise fan to get into the all movie hoopla if they haven't seen where the franchise originated, especially if they have to spend $50 for a special edition for a movie they aren't even sure they will like.

      Ummmmmm, isn't that what Blockbuster and the like are for? So that you *don't* have to buy movies you may not like?

    2. Re:The brothers made a good move by quick9vb · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree with your above comment. Movie rentals are cheaper than purchasing. But the topic of the conversation was purchasing not renting.

  36. Re:Fine with me! by British · · Score: 1

    Al was right on the ball with the reasoning behind the deleted scenes.

    If you read the Terminator 2 book, they cut out a lot of footage as well, a lot of it being in the future with the resistance mucking about setting up the Terminator to go back. As for all the footage in T2 that wasn't produced or cut, most if it seems to be the basis of Terminator 3. :(

  37. Re:Fine with me! by theperplepigg · · Score: 1
    Yes, because I would much rather have a polished "making of" feature than have the crew work on the actual movie. Granted, those features are often VERY cool, but even if they were all polished and glitsy, I still doubt I'd watch them more than the once or twice they get. I may buy the Super Delux Collossal Special Collector's Edition DVD because of all this stuff, but the movie is still and always will be the main reason I buy the movie. If I have to pay an extra $10 or so to get all that stuff, that's fine. But if all that stuff cost me as much as or more than the actual movie because of all the money spent on the behind-the-scenes feature, I find it just not worth it.

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  38. Close, but no cigar by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 1

    The brothers W. want to release Super Matrix Fighter II Championship Edition Alpha III. With a title like that, it can't possibly suck.

    1. Re:Close, but no cigar by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 0

      then we'll get to see Neo's flaming uppercut, right?

      WHOAH-RYU-KEN!

  39. The costs of media by Matey-O · · Score: 1

    Taco King product tie-in: $6.50 ($4 for lunch, $2.50 for stuffed Frodo)
    Movie + popcorn for two: $30
    Soundtrack of funky movie music: $15
    DVD of movie at Costco: $18
    DVD+super special extras ("Lord of the Rings + Two towers + bookends + STING!"): $45

    We're up to $115-ish so far, wonder why the industry's so big?

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    1. Re:The costs of media by sweetooth · · Score: 1

      We're up to $115-ish so far, wonder why the industry's so big?

      I don't wonder one bit. I just wish they would announce plans to release "special edition" DVD's to begin with so those of us that are cost concious can save a few bucks and get what we actually want. Of course that'd probably be considered the same as stealing $40 billion from the industry and we certainly can't have that.

      Good grief I'm in a bad mood today =(

  40. Canceled my Interest by Jack+Comics · · Score: 1

    ... And by doing so, canceled whatever interest I may have had in "The Matrix." I have never seen the Matrix, but I heard great things about it. Seeing as how it seems to be gearing up to become a franchise, and seeing how studios are making those "no frills" regular edition DVDs and then releasing the super-duper DVDs with all the fixings a few months to a year later, I decided on holding off buying the original Matrix DVD, and I pre-ordered the Matrix Special Edition DVD so I could watch it and be ready for the new movie. However, since the Special Edition has now been canceled, and I'm not about to buy the regular edition DVD since yet another edition has been promised, there goes any interest I may have had in the Matrix, seeing as how I probably won't be able to understand what is going on in the new movies without watching the first Matrix beforehand.

    Oh well, no big loss on my part, and I'm sure no big loss on their part either as they'll make millions without me.

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    "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
    1. Re:Canceled my Interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well, no big loss on my part, and I'm sure no big loss on their part either as they'll make millions without me.

      What?! No big loss on your part?!! Are you kidding me... you'll never be able to communicate intelligently with your geek friends ever again!

    2. Re:Canceled my Interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original Matrix DVD was not a 'no-frills' edition. I'm glad they cancelled the SE, since they weren't adding anything to what's already out on the market. If they had gone all-out and had a new video transfer (with no compression artifacts this time, dammit!) and a less flat audio mix, then it would have been something to interest me.

    3. Re:Canceled my Interest by Songblade001 · · Score: 1

      Well, the first run of the DVD just shows you what everyone saw in the theatre. Then they start flogging all of the Super Black Market versions to try to rope in the hardcore fans. Yes, it's a money grab, but if you only want to see the Matrix there's nothing wrong with the original release. Or wait for it on cable.

    4. Re:Canceled my Interest by Jens_UK · · Score: 1
      There are other ways to see The Matrix without shelling out too much $$.

    5. Re:Canceled my Interest by subsonic · · Score: 1

      as someone has already posted, the Matrix is widely available. Though Warner Bros. would love you to purchase you can see it for free. If you know four people that one DVDs, chances are one of them has the matrix. Or just DL a divx rip.

    6. Re:Canceled my Interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this has already been posted, but Hey dumbass, why the hell haven't you already gone to your local rental store to see the Matrix, instead of bitch on slashdot?

  41. Re:fp? by RighteousFunby · · Score: 0

    NO!

    YOU FAIL IT!!!!

    SOrry, couldn't help myself.

    Anyway, the phrase I'd like to use here is "fuck you WB." They screw us out of our money with their media black hole, AOL Time Warner, and then they deprive us of a kickass DVD. To AOLTW, and anybody who helped kill off this DVD, I give this

    V /\ MM /\ MM MM /\ I
    I \/ II \/ II II I-I o

  42. Super Collectors Special Edition? by drblunt · · Score: 4, Funny
    Then, after the Super Collectors Special Edition, they will take all three movies, put them in a 8 DVD set, and release the Ultimate Super Happy Collectors Special Fun-Time Edition, followed by the Utlimate Super Happy Collectors Special Fun-Time Edition :Platnium Edition, now with The Super Special Ultimate Trading Cards of Doom.

    Man, I can't wait.

    Doc

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    We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
    1. Re:Super Collectors Special Edition? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      But wait! In five ten and twenty year increments you can get a Special Super Anniversy edition.

  43. Matrix Box Set by Picass0 · · Score: 1


    This makes room for a delux Box set later with DTS sound. A SE disc now just waters that option down later.

  44. Your friends (and you) are to blame - not New Line by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish people would stop bashing on New Line for releasing the extended version of FOTR a few months after releasing the theatrical version. New Line made this perfectly clear right from the start and, unless you were an idiot or had money to burn, you had no reason to buy the initial release if you knew it was the later version that you would secretly lust for.

    sweettooth, what more did you expect from New Line? An Uruk-Hai warrior standing at every store bashing you on the head whilst shouting "longer version out in November" if you tried to buy the standard release?

    Don't any of your friends who are so DVD-crazy that they buy films as soon as they are released read any film or home video magazines that would have spelt it out for them in big letters? Don't they have a friend (such as yourself) who would tell them to hold their horses until the super-duper version comes out?

    In short, sweettooth, what the hell did New Line do wrong except keep their customers well informed and is it their fault that nobody in your inner circle knew what practically everyone else who cared managed to find out?

    Yeah, New Line. Real SOBs for telling you just what they're going to do and then actually doing it...

    Sheesh. Some people.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  45. Thank [insert deity here]!!!! by ckaminski · · Score: 1

    PLEASE don't let the Matrix franchise turn into another Lucasfilm whoring effort. Since the ?remaining? two movies will be released this year, save the Mega Special Edition Gold Boxed Set for the completed trilogy. Please don't give me 20 different remastered and rereleased versions, so that I can't tell what was the original anymore. :(

  46. Why not rent or borrow it? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

    Why not just borrow the DVD from a friend or rent it from the video store?

    Do that and you'll be just as clued up/well-informed as anyone else walking in to see the second movie.

    Or, you could stick to your "won't bother watching any of them now" strategy. Which, to be frank, is rather like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  47. You could, like, rent it.... by DG · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know, there are places where you can borrow movies for a limited time for a small fee.

    DG

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    Want to learn about race cars? Read my Book
  48. Don't be hasty by darth_flannel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I don't think the Wachowski brothers are out to screw over DVD users. It's reasonable to think that the Special Edition was cancelled because it wouldn't add much to the experience (X-Men 1.5, anyone?).

    If anything, waiting a little while longer for a box-set or other version would permit the adding in of other featurettes and options that make the purchase of a different disc a little more logical. I, for one, wouldn't mind getting a matrix set with the animatrix reels in there as well (http://www.theanimatrix.com/).

    I'm no apologist for the big production houses that screw over hungry consumers like ourselves, but I do like to see REAL content added from version to version.

    1. Re:Don't be hasty by Mr.Phil · · Score: 1

      X-Men 1.5 was a nice release if you did not already own the first release or if you were a huge fan of the film and wanted to see the "extra" footage.

  49. Re:Your friends (and you) are to blame - not New L by sweetooth · · Score: 1, Troll

    *SIGH* I didn't buy the theatrical version of FoTR. I also encouraged my friends to not buy it. However even though Newline explicitly said they were releasing an extended version in November it was overshadowed by the massive amount of advertising for the initial release. Most people don't read home video magazines, and most people had no idea that there was going to be a second release later. One of my posts even relates my experience at Suncoast where the sales person wasn't even aware of the second edition coming out later.

    I'm not saying that newline was evil, or that they even did anything wrong. However the majority of movie studios don't mention the fact that they have plans on releasing multiple versions of a movie. In the case of newline you had to know where to look to find out that there was a special edition of the movie to be released on in November.

    Finally, with FoTR you have to remember that a LOT of people rushed out to buy this movie that wouldn't normally rush out to buy a movie. These types of people aren't going to be aware of all of the home video sources, or care for the most part.

  50. Everybody knows already... by edashofy · · Score: 1

    Look, everybody knows there will be several different releases of the special edition. You've got 1st mix through 7th mix, followed by The Matrix Disney Daze, then Matrix 7th Mix MAX and MAX2, followed, of course, by The Matrix 7th Mix MAX300A.

    The later versions will change uot the simple DVD scene selection menu for a pentagon system where you can select versions of the movie with varying amounts of action, intrigue, sex, technology, and agents. Also, if you hit certain combos or finish the movie in a certain amount of time, you unlock secret versions.

    1. Re:Everybody knows already... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      ...DDR Much?

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  51. Give Lucas a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You rag on him for doing crap like that, yet you're probably one of those people who's complaining that he's not putting out MULTIPLE versions of episodes 4-6...

    1. Re:Give Lucas a break by mfrank · · Score: 1

      I for one *don't* want multiple versions. I want the version I saw in the theater when I was a kid.

      Well, he can put in DTS sound, that'd be cool. And clean up the special effects. I don't need any added or changed footage. Han had better shoot Greedo without Greedo shooting first.

      Hey, maybe when he releases Indiana Jones on DVD, he can put in the bullwhip/sword fight they originally intended, instead of just having Indy shoot the guy. That would be *great* !!

  52. The same things goes on in software... by tundog · · Score: 1


    I just picked up a copy of Soldier of Fortune II, since my last shoot-em up was Quake (as in one). Ran in and out of a games store to pick up a copy. Later, when I'm installing it i realize that its the "Gold Edition", which basically means its the core game with all the content you can download from the web as patches. I probably could have gotten the regular edition for $20 less and download the patches myself. Next time I'll pay more attention.

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    All your base are belong to us!
  53. Heh heh by dwaggie · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Later on, the Super Special Collector's Edition will morph up to the Super Special Pekoe Orange Collector's Director's Cut Edition level 5, with Dragonfist powers. Just wait. It's in training.

  54. Exclusive : Matrix / Pulp fiction crossover! by OpCode42 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Exclusive to the now-cancelled dvd...

    VINCENT
    But you know what the funniest thing about
    Europe is?

    JULES
    What?

    VINCENT
    It's the little differences. A
    lotta the same shit we got here,
    they got there, but there they're a
    little different.

    JULES
    Examples?

    VINCENT
    Well, in Amsterdam, you can buy
    beer in a movie theatre. And I
    don't mean in a paper cup either.
    They give you a glass of beer, like
    in a bar. Also, know what they call
    The Matrix in Paris?

    JULES
    They don't call it The Matrix?

    VINCENT
    No, they got the metric system
    there, they wouldn't know what the
    fuck The Matrix is.

    JULES
    What'd they call it?

    VINCENT
    Special Effects with Cheese.

    JULES
    (repeating)
    Special Effects with Cheese. Does
    Keanu Reeves still say 'Woah'?

    VINCENT
    Keanu Reeves is Keanu Reeves, but they
    dub it 'Le Woah'.

  55. It's all a publicity/hype stunt... by Code-Ex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah... sure... we're going to produce a special DVD... got your attention? got you talking to friends? okay... now were not... got your attention again? got you talking to your friends again?

  56. Re:Fine with me! by joshsisk · · Score: 1

    Documentaries are vastly cheaper to make than feature films. Often young (but talented) filmmakers will do them for free, or sometimes the director of a film will get a friend or "apprentice" to do one, paying out of pocket.

  57. Re:Your friends (and you) are to blame - not New L by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people don't read home video magazines, and most people had no idea that there was going to be a second release later.

    Yes, and so these "most" people won't care that they aren't getting 18 extra hours of Frodo doing the hokey-pokey (or whatever the extra stuff is :O)

    The "extended" edition isn't for the average person, it's for the /. uber-geek audience, or people who can recite the books word-for-word, and have arguments about whether Tom Bombadil could kick Saruman's ass.

  58. You mean I'm not gonna get screwed? by lylfyl · · Score: 2, Funny

    I got sucked in to buying both rereleases of the original Star Wars series on VHS. I know that I'll shell out for the re-re-release when the finally put it on DVD.

    I barely avoided buying both releases of LOTR Fellowship, only by 'borrowing' the first two disk set from family and 'forgetting' to return it until the four-disk came out. (come to think of it, I may still have the first set..)

    I've worn out the Matrix on VHS, and I 've been waiting to rebuy it on DVD, but I KNEW that a special edition would come out as soon as I bought it.

    Now, it's close enough that I can just wait and buy the whole box set. For once, I'll come out ahead in this game.

    Neo must be tampering with the Matrix...

    1. Re:You mean I'm not gonna get screwed? by Mr.Phil · · Score: 1

      No, you'll still get screwed, you'll just have to wait a few months (year?) longer.

      The song and dance about "New, NEVER BEFORE SEEN FOOTAGE" basically comes down to 3 to 5 deleated shots and some stills.

      The LOTR EE release, on the other hand, was an excellent reason to double dip. None of the extra content from the first release was on the EE.

    2. Re:You mean I'm not gonna get screwed? by cymen · · Score: 1

      I brought the first DVD for $6 shipped when it first came out. Were you not on the net at the time or something? It was a huge push to encourage the final hump of mass consumer adoption of DVDs. While, not only that release but others at the time. Maybe you should spend a bit of that waiting time over at dvdtalk.com. Considering $6 is the price of renting it a couple times I consider it a worthwhile purchase.

  59. Re:Fine with me! by theperplepigg · · Score: 1

    LOL, reminds me of Kevin Smith (A Night With said person) telling his story of the time he filmed a documentary for Prince. :) You're right, of course, but when something is done for free, or little money, you still only get what you pay for (i am not saying low-budget films can't be good, of course, just that you shouldn't expect to see lots of polish on them).

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  60. Re:Matrix was ok but not worth of any greatness. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Robots can't get Fusion or Fission going?
    Actually, they did get "a formof fusion" going, according to Morpheus' explaintion. It was suppossedly this combined with the humans as betteries that powered the 'bots. Why you would need human generators if you had fusion is the stupid-bar I cannot seem to jump over to really get into this film.

    The real reason to hate the Wachowski's over this (now) series of derivative crap ("computers take over the world" as a plot jumped the shark 2 seconds after the Terminator gave a thumbs up while being dunked in molten metal) is that they bankrupted the spfx company that did the first Matrix, and then picked someone else when it came time to do the sequel instead of unloading a little bit of the megabucks that rolled in from the first one to ressurect the die-hards who starved. So they're not just assholes, but unethical assholes to boot.

  61. Re:Your friends (and you) are to blame - not New L by sweetooth · · Score: 1

    I don't think that's entirely true. My copy of the extended edition is making it's rounds through my various non uber geek friends. They all wish they had bought the extended edition and many of them will now. I also have a couple of uber geek friends that wish they had only purchased the extended version as after seeing it they have no desire to see the theatrical version again.

  62. The Smiths by j4ck50n · · Score: 1
    Addressed this type of marketing within the music industry. "Paint a Vulgar Picture" from the disc "Strangeways Here We Come".

  63. Slightly better Star Wars films? by Conspir8or · · Score: 2, Funny
    If there's one thing that I hate about George Lucas, it's that he seems to purposefully release slightly better versions of the same movie every few years, just to make sure that he can get his fans to repeatedly buy the same film.

    I agree -- Episode II is indeed slightly better than Episode I, but both are essentially alike.
    1. Re:Slightly better Star Wars films? by gheidorn · · Score: 1

      +1 Funny

  64. Re:Fine with me! by el_gregorio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    sometimes, though, the deleted scenes were very well done and perfectly acted; but just didn't fit the flow of the movie. good scenes with insightful commentary ( esp. those by M Night Shyamalan -- 6th Sense, Unbreakable ) can give you an interesting deeper perspective into certain characters, that may have been trimmed from the original release simply because of time constraints.

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    "You want a toe? I can get you a toe by three o'clock... with nail polish."
  65. Actually, what would be really cool... by gosand · · Score: 1
    Actually, how cool would it be if they shipped a fully functioning bootable Matrix OS? Base it on Knoppix, tweak it to be fully Matrixed themed, and include it with the DVD set.

    They could put in some bonus video clips, pics, backgrounds, audio clips, Matrix-themed browser, etc.

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    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

    1. Re:Actually, what would be really cool... by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Every terminal could be piped to one column of the green text waterfall background...

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  66. Re:Fine with me! by DemonMucha · · Score: 1

    2 words for ya... Wesley Crusher. Just think of all the people that will buy Star Trek:Nemesis when it comes out for him!

  67. That's it! by lewp · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm putting those Wachowski brothers on double secret probation.

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    Game... blouses.
  68. Oh, how I wish more scenes would be deleted... by hcduvall · · Score: 1

    Editing and cutting is the hardest bit of the creative process, imo. Making movies must be one of the most arduous versions of it- so many people are involved with so many interests...

    But probably due to me ver deterioating attention span, i think more movies could deal with deletions. I like the time/money ratio working out, but i swear, i feel every movie I go into is over two hours for no good reason.

    Even good movies suffer from this- I loved Magnolia. The showing I went to was so late it didn't start till midnite, and I was still entranced and itnerested and not the least bit tired, but you know what? That movie is too long.

    I watched Boogie Nights (which suffers the same way) a while ago on dvd, and saw PT Anderson's "illuminating" commentary on his deleted scenes...I know you have to be ballsy to do take on some of the scenes he did, but man, you cut it cause it was crap, not because you ran out of time. He's a great director, but he's my best example of a man who refuses to cut material, that while good, add nothing to the whole.

    A good editor cuts to get rid of the bad material, a great editor cuts material for the whole work.

  69. The anime influence is too much by euxneks · · Score: 1

    Rumor is that it was cancelled by the Wachowski brothers in hopes of coming out with a Super Collectors Special Edition later

    Sheesh, first the Animatrix, now this!

    Super Collectors Special Edition? Why not just call it "Supa Mega Nova Haipa Pawa Burasto DVD"??

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    1. Re:The anime influence is too much by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Well, it is considerably based on Japanese animation.

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    2. Re:The anime influence is too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it is considerably based on Japanese animation.

      Exactly! Watch for these upcoming "Matrix" anime titles:

      • DozerBallZ
      • Sailor Trinity
      • Neokira
      • Ghost in the Matrix
      • Pokemorpheus
  70. Re:Fine with me! by paulychamp · · Score: 1

    Let us all be happy that they deleted the make out scene. No one needs/needed to see that.

  71. I believe he pronounces it: by aziraphale · · Score: 1

    Woh...

  72. Tom Bombadil vs Saruman by tjwhaynes · · Score: 1

    The "extended" edition isn't for the average person, it's for the /. uber-geek audience, or people who can recite the books word-for-word, and have arguments about whether Tom Bombadil could kick Saruman's ass.

    Hell, we'd never even consider arguing over this one. Tom Bombadil would kick Saruman's ass all over the Old Forest and down the Barrow ...

    Err...

    Maybe it's better if I just shut up before I get labelled :-)

    Cheers,
    Toby Haynes

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    Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
    1. Re:Tom Bombadil vs Saruman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tom is no master of megalomanical wizards from the Westlands far beyond his country...

      -etosin

  73. Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who...

    cares?

    You can put the shades on the Keanu, but you can't take the Ted out of 'im.

  74. Re:Fine with me! by joshsisk · · Score: 1

    Documentaries are just cheaper to make than films. No special effects, no actors, no catering, no location fees, etc. The Matrix probably has a crew of several hundred people (if not a thousand). A "Making of the Matrix" documentary would probably have a crew 5 or 6 people. That's a big price difference.

    Also, you can shoot a documentary on DV and it's fine - this also lowers the price, big-time.

  75. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...will it have bookends?

  76. If one is looking for evil, one looks at Weinstein by hcduvall · · Score: 1

    Right enough, there's really no one to complain to if the dvd is bare and no material is on it- as a consumer you can either buy it or wait and see if another version is going to come out. But what if there's no way to get it in the US (or wherever) in general?

    I'm a big fan of kung-fu and asian cinema in general, and I swear at every corner I turn I see miramax screwing me. A large number of older films are bought by them, and when released on dvd only have the dub- regardless of the job on it, i want the option of the original language track. Now, personally, this is irksome enough, since usually, Asian dvd editions exist with both of them on them- but by rights miramax blocks their sale in the us as well. I can't get a good region 1 version, and I have to pay a premium for an import.

    All this is compounded by cuts in the film made by miramax, whose nature or logic has not yet been revealed to me. Sometimes cited for cultural reasons, sometimes for time (these movies clock in typically around 100 minutes in the first place) --always supposedly "to make it a better movie". Who do they think is going to watch Iron Monkey anyway? We're all pretty die-hard already. And what ten second buddhist temple scene is going to upset anyone?

    There's also the ongoing "Hero" saga. Hero is a film by Zhang Yi Mo (sp), a martial-arts epic out of the crouching tiger mold. It has an all-star cast/crew- and is definately meant to try to recreate the latter's success. Whether or not it would, i think the director is good, and his style is significant;y different , and would make a worthwhile addition to the genre anyway. So the theatrical cut (rumor mill blaming miramax for it) is only 98 minutes, w/ 20 minutes missing. Now its an emptier movie, a wannabe Cthd w/ less plot and character development- say 20 minures worth.

    Its been released in China, but not in the US- until Nov. this year. This from a date pushed from last year (Mx had pinocchio to promote, i would say City of God, but it didn't do much for that one) and spring of this year. Assuming a dvd release is coming out, of the theatrical (out in asia now), it wouldn't be till spring '04 in the us. The extended one, well, thats all speculation right now- since it would steal the thunder when mx deigns to actually show the film.

    All of this is to say, if big american made titles get too many versions and too much attention, then its the smaller or foreign movies that get short shrift. My problem isn't waiting for a version with more extras to come out, my problem is getting to see the intended version in the first place.

    Sigh...thats my rant.

  77. Re:Fine with me! by lucasw · · Score: 1

    On the "UHF" DVD, during the deleted scenes section, Al says several times that, basically, there's a reason that the scenes were deleted.

    And then, somewhat rudely, he fast-forwards through a bunch of them... (though the extra Kramer-er Michael Richards stuff was pretty good).

    For FOTR, the length would have had theaters throwing a fit if the extended version was the one to be shown on the big screen, and the casual movie goers who aren't hard core fans may have been put off. Releasing the special edition after the theatrical and regular release gives a chance for some of those casual movie goers to turn into hard core fans.

    What annoys me is that so many of the extra scenes ons dvds aren't from developed film- it's from the video (of a poor quality) the cameras simultaneously shoot so the director can watch the take instantly without having to develop the film. Of course, it takes lots of money to develop and color process film, so for marginal movies with even more marginal 'extra scenes', it's not worth it.

  78. Re:Fine with me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I hear there is a scene where he does Full Frontal Nudity!!

    I'm setting my phasers to 'stud'!!!

  79. Re:Your friends (and you) are to blame - not New L by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "extended" edition isn't for the average person, it's for the /. uber-geek audience, or people who can recite the books word-for-word... Yadda, yadda.

    I must whole-heartedly disagree. Most of my friends are non-geeks who, after seeing the extended version, remarked that the additional footage made scenes in TTT more understandable. Particularly the 'gifting' scene where Galadriel hands out many items that just suddenly appear in the second movie or have special properties (the cloaks) that cause the viewer to think the scene makes no sense.

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    As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

  80. Well there's money out of their pockets... by Lukano · · Score: 1

    I'm such a matrix nut, I would have bought both (and everything else in DVD format with the word Matrix on it!) :)

  81. And once Capcom has its say... by evands · · Score: 1

    Turbo Super Collectors Special Edition Alpha 3: Championship Edition

  82. About Trinity's kiss by bonch · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Neo is revived because when she kisses Neo, she reveals how she is in love with him. The Oracle prophesied that the person Trinity falls in love with would be the One, so she was fulfilling that prophecy.

    As for the "form of fusion" thing some people can't get over, I figure the reason they used humans as the batteries is because it was a convenient way to enslave us and reap benefits from it.

  83. Could have been Joel Silver by zymano · · Score: 0
    that weasly looking producer ,Joel Silver.

    I see this guy everywhere on E and MTV cribs.

    Think this guy is starved for attention.

  84. Very Pro-This. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    Lord of the Rings, with its 5-27 different versions, has completely alienated, at the very least, me. When I watched Lord of the Rings in theaters, I thought "This is it. This is the movie that I will buy a DVD player to see."

    After three "special edition"s, I do not intend to ever buy Lord of the Rings on DVD. As for the Animatrix, I'll probably just buy the DVD and download it to watch. Or maybe just download it to watch.

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    1. Re:Very Pro-This. by TheKey · · Score: 1

      Three special editions? ... well.. I guess they will, if you consider that Lord of the Rings is three movies, you get a special edition for each one. Is it worse because they're all sequels? They'll probably have a super special edition with 20 disks after all are released. So you can just buy that one special edition of you want for $500.

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  85. Another Matrix Story? by batlock · · Score: 1

    Yawn!

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  86. Put back for a new transfer maybe? by iainl · · Score: 1

    As several of us pointed out when this "Special Edition" was originally announced, the actual film itself (you know, the bit that you're supposedly interested in) was just going to be yet another copy of the original disc.

    I'd really like to think that the real reason this has been postponed is because that disc is crap. Sure, its got lots of features, and was pretty darn impressive when it was originally released, but if you go look at it now and compare it to a top quality transfer from the last year or so you'll see it looks and sounds terrible. Artifacting everywhere in the dark areas and a 5.1 mix that has been compromised in order to ensure that it sounds ok in stereo.

    Frankly, you can stuff your "Keanu is just a great actor to work with" extras up your arse Warner, I just want the film to look and sound as close to the way it does in the cinema as it can. Ruining the transfer to add boring extras is really annoying.

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  87. How about reading the DVD case before you buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, I could have sworn that the FOTR Theatrical DVD actually states on it that it contains a preview of the Extended DVD set due for release in November... It did in Europe anyway. So, your friends couldn't read that either??? Jesus, they must be dumb.

    1. Re:How about reading the DVD case before you buy? by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Yup. Sure did. Also had some clever "making of" previews that the extended didn't.

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  88. I already got it ... by ciupman · · Score: 1

    I got the original matrix DVD and the bonus DVD (that came a while after) i've been checking what would come in the Special Edition .. and it's exacly the same thing i have in this 2 DVDs .. and i bought this 2 as a pack for the price of one!!

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  89. Is this on your LOTR dvd? by trinity93 · · Score: 1

    Is THIS on your dvd?

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  90. Re:not quite in touch, are you? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    There are already at least 3 special editions of the Fellowship by itself. After releasing these 3 of just ONE movie so successfully, why stop? I expect at least 20 seperate releases of LOTR DVD material

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  91. Re:not quite in touch, are you? by TheKey · · Score: 1

    Three special editions? What are you talking about? There are two DVDs - the regular and special. The special comes with four discs, if that's what you mean..

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