Would game developers pump millions into development of a game for something like... 25% market share?
You actually bring up a very important point. However lets look at the console world. At any given time(through history) you have three consoles. History shows that 2 out of 3 consoles remain successful, but the last one just bites dust.
When SNES, Sega Genesis, and Turbo Grafix16 were battling, TG-16 lost.
When N64, PSX, and Sega 32-X[early death]/Dreamcast. Sega lost.
Now PS2, Xbox, and GC are fighting...we'll see who loses. Right now PS2 and Xbox are fighting for the same market share, Nintendo is kicking-back and enjoying nice profit from the 'kidde-market'(and its gameboy).
To answer your question, Game devs, develop games for the console that has the most installed base. If they want more money, they may port their games to other systems, but that doesn't usually happen(you gotta have exclusives).
What happens is that you get different devs developing awesome games for ONE platform AND other devs developing for ANOTHER platform.
This is why you see the Xbox crowd waiting to hear, "Metal Gear coming to Xbox" or "FF coming to Xbox". I'm sorry its NOT going to happen any time soon. Which is why you have other devs like Bungie developing for xbox, making cool games that sell(Halo).
Point of this discussion? Two or more big OS companies can certainly survive. We don't need M$. And the development companies thrive.
We are now in the high times for Linux. I mean, I consider Linux and Windows to be at the crossroads for the best OS.
For Linux we have:
KDE 3.0 + all the nice utils Mozilla 1.0/Konqueror(even more better with crossweaver's plugins!) OpenOffice Apache 2.0 Samba etc.
A lot of these and other types of softwares are "professional quality"...and it suprises me that people actually do this for free.
The point? We have just met up with Windows. Open source software can *only* improve from this point on, while Windows just stagnates(with UI updates every 5 years).
we need non-microsoft based browsers. That auto-download crap works via 'demand-install' in IE, and you gotta thank (*cough*) Microsoft for such ingenuity. Thank M$ in the same way as you thank them for Outlook's ability to automatically run vbscript in emails:)
Luckily other browsers like Mozilla, Netscape, Konqueror or even Opera don't have such loose-security features.
I don't agree. While each and everyone does value their own hardwork, I personally don't think we have to use lofty and expensive tools such as MS Office to get our work done.
I mean, seriously, how many Joe-6-packs use all the features included in Office? Like that annoying little paper clip that constantly nags you? Or all those auto-checkers, auto-formatters, etc. that you never use?
What people need is a functional tool. It lets them do their work. You can use StarOffice, Word Perfect, or even KOffice to get your job done. For example, I prefer StarOffice 5.2 to Office97 because it has a good set of functions to design effective flowchart-like diagrams.
Microsoft's "office model" doesn't work for everyone, you really need to do serious usability tests to know what your core audience needs. More features != better functionality != more productivity.
Spending $480 on a suite, where you use only a fraction of so-called "features" doesn't justify cost. Microsoft COULD release a version of Office with less and more down-to-earth features that people actually use. But they won't do that. Because they know the regular joe has no choice but to get their Office suite.
Why don't they understand that Google doesn't use their stupid "technology", but Google uses a patented Pigeon-powered hunt 'n peck proprietary search technology?
:)
Besides, if they sue Google, then About.com should be sued too for the use of 'sponsored-links' in specific searches! Otherwise they leave themselves open to remarks like "hypocrite", "cheap shot", "dirty business tactics"...
Yes, it does seem that many search engines have become "bloated" in the past. Search engines like excite or infoseek had humble beginnings...but every week you'd see links and links popping on their site, garbage being added to clutter the search information, and just down right annoying to the point of being like porn pages(with all the flashy ads and "click here!" ads).
These bloated search engines took ages to load, another eternity to search, and had quite bad results.
I'm suprised that Google(which had a good startup capital--still running off it[as I've heard]) loads fast, doesn't have garbage creeping every week, and has features that YOU *WANT* to actually use!!
Of course it has added directories and other what nots, but they have a neat way to keep "extra features" OFF the main page, and onto seperate pages.
Google-Humble, simple, and fast. The way search engines *should* be.
Pentagon held up much better. Altho it was designed to be operable even if part of it was destroyed.
????
Damage done to the pentagon was nothing but icing on a cake. A close friend of mine went on a Pentagon tour some time ago. I can't exactly recall this, but he said the Pentagon is about 100(??) floors underground.
Ouch. What shit happens underground beats me...enter conspiracy theorists...
First of all Java is a bullshit language, and yes you could call me a troll. Since it was designed for specific purpose and model, it is difficult trying to force a model onto another paradigm: Games.
Read what Mr. Sweeney(Unreal.com) has said in past interviews about Java. Java code is just not the type of application you can write games with. I mean, games push billions of bits across your bus and having such a high overhead like java, means you have to settle for games like "Yahoo Pool!". From my experience, using Java for UIs are horrible(u get inconsistent response times from simple things like menus). Now try imagining that for games.
While I have to agree that Java has some advantages (in my case it eases remote administration of custom developed hardware/software). But please don't advocate Java is the Holy Grail of computing.
I've seen the same bullshit for C++ on some forums, where ppl just spurt out, "Use C++". I've seen comments where one guy just glanced at the Quake2 source code overnite and complained it lacked any "software engineering" techniques or C++.
What happened to the days when ppl were more pragmatic?
don't you think such pic-passwd's would be easy to crack? Since the 'memorable' parts of the pic would be the breasts, "private parts", and other key parts(particular to an individual's festishes like belly button, legs, lips, etc).
Not too many permutations there. But hell, would it be *fun* to crack(not to mention _getting_off_).
You say "Hello!" to a trekkie and all he spits out is "resistance is futile". Not to mention when he looks at your face, he tries to annoy u with that funny laser. Kinda reminds me of Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story trying to zap Andy with his infamous sidearm gun.
1. It doesn't make sense that Nintendo would be releasing a new video controller for the PC without ATIs involvment.
2. You don't want ATIs own tech to cut into their sales would you?
3. Nintendo would be pretty stupid to attempt selling a new GC-like video controller in the PC world, when the PC vidcard market place is currently owned by Nvidia(followed by ATI playing catchup). I mean Nintendo's offering would have to be competitive.
-describe typical management structures
-explore how decisions are made
-attempt to aggregate and parametrize hierarchical processes, such that one can start referring to them by their "Pattern"-name shorthand.
-discuss what the managed can and cannot do to influence these decision-making structures.
You need to add one more point:
-discuss how Configuration Management has nothing to do with config.sys!(stupid n00bs)
The ability of all the compilers in Visual Studio to compile/translated down to a common language before compiling
umm...i believe gcc does this already. gcc internally takes all types of code asm, c, objc, c++ and compiles to common bytecode. from their it optimizes the code and produces common machine language code.
Nothing special about microshit's "technology".
It's amazing they say COM-now-.NET is the wave of the future, when really if u open it up, its nothing more than RPC(remote procedure calling). Many of u guyz need to understand between *technology* and *standardization*. M$ just standardizes API interfaces, that's all. Nothing new.
I'm not giving you benchmarks, and anti-Java people will just "no" me
NO.
Java sucks, and so do all derivatives of Visual Basic(VBA, VBs, etc). Whoever designed that pile of shit deserves to die.
The more you program in these languages, the more stupid you get. no joke. You'll notice such ppl instantly when they say, "Well, why don't u use java to write a kernel?". OMG. The end of time is approaching.
Why not create a MS-Office rip-off?
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What is the point of Lindows using wine to try so hard just to run MS Office or IE? I mean, most comments I've read say that, "well if it runs Office, it's worth it".
Well, if people want Office, IE, and a couple of other popular apps, why not create brand new applications from scratch(running on Linux)? Such Linux applications will mimic 99% of the look, feel and functionality of apps like Office.
Its better to "rip-off" a few apps in the Windows world, than to get Wine to run all the so-so Windows programs that people don't usually run.
Yeah you might get sued by Microsoft, but then again Lindows is getting sued anyways, so what the hell.
Remember you are downloading a file in.nap format. The napster player will (initially) know how to decode the.nap file, where I'm pretty sure they use some kind of integrity checker before it gets played. Plus, if you cancel it, the file will probably not get saved anyway.
Of course, I'm also pretty sure the hackers will learn the.nap format, find out a way to save incomplete files, and decode/play the file themselves;)
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Would game developers pump millions into development of a game for something like... 25% market share?
/Dreamcast. Sega lost.
You actually bring up a very important point. However lets look at the console world. At any given time(through history) you have three consoles. History shows that 2 out of 3 consoles remain successful, but the last one just bites dust.
When SNES, Sega Genesis, and Turbo Grafix16 were battling, TG-16 lost.
When N64, PSX, and Sega 32-X[early death]
Now PS2, Xbox, and GC are fighting...we'll see who loses. Right now PS2 and Xbox are fighting for the same market share, Nintendo is kicking-back and enjoying nice profit from the 'kidde-market'(and its gameboy).
To answer your question, Game devs, develop games for the console that has the most installed base. If they want more money, they may port their games to other systems, but that doesn't usually happen(you gotta have exclusives).
What happens is that you get different devs developing awesome games for ONE platform AND other devs developing for ANOTHER platform.
This is why you see the Xbox crowd waiting to hear, "Metal Gear coming to Xbox" or "FF coming to Xbox". I'm sorry its NOT going to happen any time soon. Which is why you have other devs like Bungie developing for xbox, making cool games that sell(Halo).
Point of this discussion? Two or more big OS companies can certainly survive. We don't need M$. And the development companies thrive.
We are now in the high times for Linux. I mean, I consider Linux and Windows to be at the crossroads for the best OS.
For Linux we have:
KDE 3.0 + all the nice utils
Mozilla 1.0/Konqueror(even more better with crossweaver's plugins!)
OpenOffice
Apache 2.0
Samba
etc.
A lot of these and other types of softwares are "professional quality"...and it suprises me that people actually do this for free.
The point? We have just met up with Windows. Open source software can *only* improve from this point on, while Windows just stagnates(with UI updates every 5 years).
and sip your morning coffee...and "unsubscribe" your newspaper. :)
we need non-microsoft based browsers. That auto-download crap works via 'demand-install' in IE, and you gotta thank (*cough*) Microsoft for such ingenuity. Thank M$ in the same way as you thank them for Outlook's ability to automatically run vbscript in emails:)
Luckily other browsers like Mozilla, Netscape, Konqueror or even Opera don't have such loose-security features.
Tisk, tisk m$.
I mean, seriously, how many Joe-6-packs use all the features included in Office? Like that annoying little paper clip that constantly nags you? Or all those auto-checkers, auto-formatters, etc. that you never use?
What people need is a functional tool. It lets them do their work. You can use StarOffice, Word Perfect, or even KOffice to get your job done. For example, I prefer StarOffice 5.2 to Office97 because it has a good set of functions to design effective flowchart-like diagrams.
Microsoft's "office model" doesn't work for everyone, you really need to do serious usability tests to know what your core audience needs. More features != better functionality != more productivity.
Spending $480 on a suite, where you use only a fraction of so-called "features" doesn't justify cost. Microsoft COULD release a version of Office with less and more down-to-earth features that people actually use. But they won't do that. Because they know the regular joe has no choice but to get their Office suite.
Why don't they understand that Google doesn't use their stupid "technology", but Google uses a patented Pigeon-powered hunt 'n peck proprietary search technology?
Besides, if they sue Google, then About.com should be sued too for the use of 'sponsored-links' in specific searches! Otherwise they leave themselves open to remarks like "hypocrite", "cheap shot", "dirty business tactics"...
It's quite interesting, and he talks about ATI a lot with fair comparisons to Nvidia's offering. See it here
These bloated search engines took ages to load, another eternity to search, and had quite bad results.
I'm suprised that Google(which had a good startup capital--still running off it[as I've heard]) loads fast, doesn't have garbage creeping every week, and has features that YOU *WANT* to actually use!!
Of course it has added directories and other what nots, but they have a neat way to keep "extra features" OFF the main page, and onto seperate pages.
Google-Humble, simple, and fast. The way search engines *should* be.
???? Damage done to the pentagon was nothing but icing on a cake. A close friend of mine went on a Pentagon tour some time ago. I can't exactly recall this, but he said the Pentagon is about 100(??) floors underground.
Ouch. What shit happens underground beats me...enter conspiracy theorists...
First of all Java is a bullshit language, and yes you could call me a troll. Since it was designed for specific purpose and model, it is difficult trying to force a model onto another paradigm: Games.
Read what Mr. Sweeney(Unreal.com) has said in past interviews about Java. Java code is just not the type of application you can write games with. I mean, games push billions of bits across your bus and having such a high overhead like java, means you have to settle for games like "Yahoo Pool!". From my experience, using Java for UIs are horrible(u get inconsistent response times from simple things like menus). Now try imagining that for games.
While I have to agree that Java has some advantages (in my case it eases remote administration of custom developed hardware/software). But please don't advocate Java is the Holy Grail of computing.
I've seen the same bullshit for C++ on some forums, where ppl just spurt out, "Use C++". I've seen comments where one guy just glanced at the Quake2 source code overnite and complained it lacked any "software engineering" techniques or C++.
What happened to the days when ppl were more pragmatic?
don't you think such pic-passwd's would be easy to crack? Since the 'memorable' parts of the pic would be the breasts, "private parts", and other key parts(particular to an individual's festishes like belly button, legs, lips, etc).
Not too many permutations there. But hell, would it be *fun* to crack(not to mention _getting_off_).
:)
Only people of understanding can interpret my statement. And please no anti-semetic comments, because that means, you don't understand.
Cat fight! Give her a sucker punch, where she deserves it!
You say "Hello!" to a trekkie and all he spits out is "resistance is futile". Not to mention when he looks at your face, he tries to annoy u with that funny laser. Kinda reminds me of Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story trying to zap Andy with his infamous sidearm gun.
...we should be running two OSs by now right? A kernel-based OS(winxp) and a user-mode OS(internet explorer).
hehe. finally makes sense.
FUCK MICROSOFT.
This is pure M$ BULLSHIT. They think they can put anything in their EULA, 'cause customers have no choice but to choose M$.
Next thing we'll see in their EULA, "You must sell us your soul."
k2x
So True. Alas, people think programming == CS == good_easy_job_and_life == $$$$$$
Thanks for clearifying that bit.Three things:
1. It doesn't make sense that Nintendo would be releasing a new video controller for the PC without ATIs involvment.
2. You don't want ATIs own tech to cut into their sales would you?
3. Nintendo would be pretty stupid to attempt selling a new GC-like video controller in the PC world, when the PC vidcard market place is currently owned by Nvidia(followed by ATI playing catchup). I mean Nintendo's offering would have to be competitive.
You need to add one more point:
-discuss how Configuration Management has nothing to do with config.sys!(stupid n00bs)
Fuck off u asshole, the interview with Miguel last week brought up this point too. Your comment is baseless, since you provided no argument.
umm...i believe gcc does this already. gcc internally takes all types of code asm, c, objc, c++ and compiles to common bytecode. from their it optimizes the code and produces common machine language code.
Nothing special about microshit's "technology".
It's amazing they say COM-now-.NET is the wave of the future, when really if u open it up, its nothing more than RPC(remote procedure calling). Many of u guyz need to understand between *technology* and *standardization*. M$ just standardizes API interfaces, that's all. Nothing new.
NO.
Java sucks, and so do all derivatives of Visual Basic(VBA, VBs, etc). Whoever designed that pile of shit deserves to die.
The more you program in these languages, the more stupid you get. no joke. You'll notice such ppl instantly when they say, "Well, why don't u use java to write a kernel?". OMG. The end of time is approaching.
Well, if people want Office, IE, and a couple of other popular apps, why not create brand new applications from scratch(running on Linux)? Such Linux applications will mimic 99% of the look, feel and functionality of apps like Office.
Its better to "rip-off" a few apps in the Windows world, than to get Wine to run all the so-so Windows programs that people don't usually run.
Yeah you might get sued by Microsoft, but then again Lindows is getting sued anyways, so what the hell.
k2x
Of course, I'm also pretty sure the hackers will learn the .nap format, find out a way to save incomplete files, and decode/play the file themselves;)
History teaches us that only time will tell.
All these little plankton critters...I can see...err...hear it now: "Resistance is futile."