Just thought I'd point out that Seamonkey has been the code name of the integrated application suite since way before it was ever called "Mozilla Application Suite". Mozilla means a lot of other things anyway -- a project, a platform, a rendering engine, a foundation, a corporation, etc. Seamonkey is unique.
You ask why they would put KDE on Ubuntu instead of using Kubuntu? Uh, Kubuntu *is* just Ubuntu with KDE put on it. You can do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop on a Ubuntu box.
Kubuntu is just the name of the Ubuntu install cd that installs KDE instead of Gnome by default.
So the parent post was right in saying that "that setup is always just a few mouse clicks away".
The founder and CEO of Flock is the very same Bart Decrem who co-founded Eazel, the company who gave us Nautilus. He also helped found the GNOME Foundation and used to handle business affairs for the Mozilla Foundation! Check out his bio.
Not only that, they use the same FAQ to poke fun at the way they marketed Gmail:-)
7. How can I get my hands on a Google Gulp? This "limited release" beta product is available to anyone who turns in a used Google Gulp bottle cap at any local retailer. If you don't have any Gulp caps, ask a friend to give you one.
8. What if none of my friends have a Gulp cap to give me? Can't you just give Google Gulp to anyone who wants it? Well, we're thinking about it, but, um, you have to understand that there are many considerations which go into deciding how to distribute --
9. I mean, isn't this whole invite-only thing kind of bogus? Dude, it's like you've never even heard of viral marketing.
Ubuntu provides a fine base for your server. I run http, ftp, and smb on Ubuntu at work.
Just select a server install on the initial boot screen of the install cd, then you'll only get the base system without any desktop, and you can apt-get your way from there.
Only problem is that a few packages commonly needed for some servers (for example, PHP's MySQL modules) are only available in universe (unsupported), but more packages are being moved to main with every release - check out the Ubuntu Server Team's page.
No, it says that they are not retiring it stable-branch-wise: "We intend to keep supporting these deployments in at least a conservative, sustaining engineering fashion."
In that sense, no, they are NOT retiring the Seamonkey application suite.
Updated: Continue to perform sustaining maintenance, including security updates, on the SeaMonkey application suite's final stable branch (1.7.x) for enterprises and other organizations with large existing Mozilla deployments.
... ah, this must be gospel. No more suite releases. But wait, a little further down:
We are not retiring the SeaMonkey application suite, or its XPFE front end, in the foreseeable future.
That qoute is so out of context. It goes on to say: "We intend to keep supporting these deployments in at least a conservative, sustaining engineering fashion." And that's exactly what the 1.7 branch is.
Absolutely not. Do they support 1.5 and 1.6? No. They supported 1.4 and 1.7.
So you mean to say that they should have released 1.8 without making it a supported, long-lived branch? That would just cause total confusion, as 1.7 users would upgrade, only to find they had to downgrade again later if they wanted security updates.
They waited till they decided to kill the suite (after it was brought to people's attention that they weren't planning a final release of 1.8) to tell people "oh, the alphas and betas were just a big joke".
It has been the plan since before 1.4 was released to move the suite to maintenance mode, and the roadmap has said so all the time. The alphas and betas weren't a joke, they were alphas and betas of version 1.8 of the Mozilla *platform*, and they happened to use the Suite as the frontend for testing those backend changes. They might as well have put out Gecko/Mozilla-the-platform 1.8 alphas and betas using Firefox or whatever as the frontend.
This confusion is all caused by the dual meaning of the word Mozilla, as in Mozilla-the-platform and Mozilla-the-suite. Luckily, the suite is about to change its name, so that it won't be a source of confusion anymore. That's it. It's not like they're killing the suite -- they're simply giving it a new name and version number, and handing off the release process to other people in the community.
[a lot of nonsense ramblings and conspiracy theories]
Sorry, I meant to say that it was answered in the documents linked to from her blog, especially this ("We probably won't use the same naming conventions, as we need to be clear that this is not a Mozilla Foundation product release"), and this, which has release plans and project planning info, and notes in several places that the naming and versioning will change.
Why didn't you release 1.8 before abandoning the suite?
Because that would mean having to support it with at least security fixes for years to come, as well as the 1.7 branch, which they have already promised will be long-lived. It would simply be too much work.
If you never intended the 1.8 Suite to be released, why do you have 1.9 alpha development on your roadmap?
That version number refers to Gecko/Mozilla-The-Platform, on which apps such as Firefox, Thunderbird, Seamonkey and many others are built. Seamonkey version numbers and platform version numbers have just happened to go hand in hand so far, but that is no longer the case.
That question is answered in the very latest post in her blog. You know, the blog that was linked to in the summary with the note "check her blog before posting in order to avoid duplication"?
Ubuntu 5.04, due on April 6th, will ship with Gnome 2.10. Might have something to do with the fact that Gnome's release manager Jeff Waugh also happens to be Ubuntu's release manager.
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Haha, *you* said Boris Floricic!
Just thought I'd point out that Seamonkey has been the code name of the integrated application suite since way before it was ever called "Mozilla Application Suite". Mozilla means a lot of other things anyway -- a project, a platform, a rendering engine, a foundation, a corporation, etc. Seamonkey is unique.
You ask why they would put KDE on Ubuntu instead of using Kubuntu? Uh, Kubuntu *is* just Ubuntu with KDE put on it. You can do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop on a Ubuntu box.
Kubuntu is just the name of the Ubuntu install cd that installs KDE instead of Gnome by default.
So the parent post was right in saying that "that setup is always just a few mouse clicks away".
Haha! Bet that wasn't even intentional :-)
And this:Wrong: All Ubuntu releases, including the first one, was based on Debian Unstable.
The founder and CEO of Flock is the very same Bart Decrem who co-founded Eazel, the company who gave us Nautilus. He also helped found the GNOME Foundation and used to handle business affairs for the Mozilla Foundation! Check out his bio.
Now we are on the naming thing, what's with the "Funky Fairy" naming system?
:-)
Funky Fairy would be an AWESOME name for Ubuntu 6.10!
Great blog post by Ian 'Hixie' Hickson (of mozilla.org, Opera, W3C CSS-WG fame) on making new names for existing technologies
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1111339822&count=1
Since it seems that anyone can just demand karma and get it today, can I have some too? Thanks in advance.
Not only that, they use the same FAQ to poke fun at the way they marketed Gmail :-)
7. How can I get my hands on a Google Gulp?
This "limited release" beta product is available to anyone who turns in a used Google Gulp bottle cap at any local retailer. If you don't have any Gulp caps, ask a friend to give you one.
8. What if none of my friends have a Gulp cap to give me? Can't you just give Google Gulp to anyone who wants it?
Well, we're thinking about it, but, um, you have to understand that there are many considerations which go into deciding how to distribute --
9. I mean, isn't this whole invite-only thing kind of bogus?
Dude, it's like you've never even heard of viral marketing.
If you know you DON'T NEED any more browser plug ins
:-)
I tried following the link in your sig. My Firefox said: "Additional plugins are required to display all the media on this page."
Yes, by mailing security@mozilla.org. Read http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/security- bugs-policy.html.
Ubuntu provides a fine base for your server. I run http, ftp, and smb on Ubuntu at work.
Just select a server install on the initial boot screen of the install cd, then you'll only get the base system without any desktop, and you can apt-get your way from there.
Only problem is that a few packages commonly needed for some servers (for example, PHP's MySQL modules) are only available in universe (unsupported), but more packages are being moved to main with every release - check out the Ubuntu Server Team's page.
Are the original Hitch Hiker's Guide episodes available from bbc.co.uk? I haven't been able to find them there.
o n=Browse&dir=%2Fpub%2F.arch-download%2Fhhgttg&sort =type anyway, in case anyone wants them.
They're available from http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-browse?sh=1&butt
Close: It's "Mr. Sopwith, aren't you in fact a train spotter?" :-D
There used to be talks of a Mozilla-GNOME alliance, perhaps even a merger, to stand united against .NET/XAML/etc. Any news on this?
No, it says that they are not retiring it stable-branch-wise: "We intend to keep supporting these deployments in at least a conservative, sustaining engineering fashion."
In that sense, no, they are NOT retiring the Seamonkey application suite.
It has been the plan since before 1.4 was released to move the suite to maintenance mode, and the roadmap has said so all the time. The alphas and betas weren't a joke, they were alphas and betas of version 1.8 of the Mozilla *platform*, and they happened to use the Suite as the frontend for testing those backend changes. They might as well have put out Gecko/Mozilla-the-platform 1.8 alphas and betas using Firefox or whatever as the frontend.
This confusion is all caused by the dual meaning of the word Mozilla, as in Mozilla-the-platform and Mozilla-the-suite. Luckily, the suite is about to change its name, so that it won't be a source of confusion anymore. That's it. It's not like they're killing the suite -- they're simply giving it a new name and version number, and handing off the release process to other people in the community. Whatever.
Sorry, I meant to say that it was answered in the documents linked to from her blog, especially this ("We probably won't use the same naming conventions, as we need to be clear that this is not a Mozilla Foundation product release"), and this, which has release plans and project planning info, and notes in several places that the naming and versioning will change.
Sorry for the tone of my previous post.
That version number refers to Gecko/Mozilla-The-Platform, on which apps such as Firefox, Thunderbird, Seamonkey and many others are built. Seamonkey version numbers and platform version numbers have just happened to go hand in hand so far, but that is no longer the case.
That question is answered in the very latest post in her blog. You know, the blog that was linked to in the summary with the note "check her blog before posting in order to avoid duplication"?
And the answer is no.
Actually in some european languages (e.g. those spoken here in the scandinavian countries), Europe is indeed called "Europa".
Ubuntu 5.04, due on April 6th, will ship with Gnome 2.10. Might have something to do with the fact that Gnome's release manager Jeff Waugh also happens to be Ubuntu's release manager.
Ubuntu 5.4 Preview will ship with Gnome 2.10 on the day of its release, and Ubunbu 5.4 Final a week later.