I've bought 1 OS upgrade for it (OS X). and 256MB of ram. Runs like a charm, way faster than any K6 (feels just like a similar-spec Duron 600 running Win2K)
Oh, and Mandrake will not run on a 10 year old system (When did the Pentium come out? less than 10 years ago, Mandrake will not run on less than a pentium). Oh, and OS X will run on an 8 year old system (Unsupported, just like Mandrake on a P133-era system would be, and kinda slow, but it does run, and with a G4 CPU card, RAM and decent PCI video card, it'll run acceptably on a x500 PCI Powermac).
GDI-based printers(WinPrinters) and WinModems are not cross-platform, since they actually do all the real work in software on the PC, rather than hardware in the modem/printer. Most decent printers render in hardware, so they'll work with driver support.
Video Cards: usually no, but some cards can be flashed with a video bios that works (Radeon 7000 PCI, Voodoo3 2000). This isn't an Apple issue, but a combination of Endian-ness and Open Firmware support in Bios. If the chipset has drivers, Sun PCI video cards will work in Macs, and vice-versa (Generally only true for ATI Rage Pro/Mach 64 based cards, due to wonky support from Sun).
NIC's, yes if Drivers exist (Using a Belkin RTL8139 $10 special in my Beige G3 right now)
SCSI Cards, yes, non-bootable for most Adaptec cards. Bootable requires OpenFirmware compliant BIOS, usually not flashable.
ATA Cards: No, BIOS issue, not flashable.
PC-Cards:Yes, given driver support.
USB and Firewire devices: Usually. exception is wierd USB devices (TV tuners, some webcams, nifty gadgets, USB NIC's[no USB NIC drivers in Mac OS]). Any USB Mouse, Keyboard, or storage is supported, anything firewire usually has Mac support (But not always PC). Scanners and printers depend on drivers, support for which are getting better.
ATA Devices: Yes, but check for support for -R/RW drives (iTunes and Finder support most, but not all drives out there, aftermarket DVD-R's require 3rd party software, iDVD only works with Apple-ROM Superdrives due to Evil Licensing issues[not Apple's fault, they're the victim of the license]) any harddrive will work.
RAM: yes, if good, full-spec RAM (Mac's are notoriously picky about RAM following the full spec. Any top-name Ram will work, if right kind).
Soundcards: NO. Unless it's a pro-level card. USB sound devices may work.
Umm, It's got more Video than the average user needs standard (I was expecting a Radeon 9200 as the default), with the Radeon 9800 Pro as a BTO option.
If you need the speed, you can have the fastest card on the Market.
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Also that lowend model was a combodrive, and the new models are all superdriv-equipped.
Expect a combodrive model in a couple of months, once demand for the higher-spec models drops off.
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Note that these all have Superdrives. Expect a Combodrive base model once demand drops a bit (September-ish I'd guess, maybe october), at ~$1600-1700 USD.
Given the likely supply issues, Apple's going to try and lower demand initially (That's why the only SMP box is the 2GHz, and why they're all Superdrive models), and then quietly introduce cheaper, lower-spec models in a few months (They've done this a few times before, including the superdrive/combodrive trick)
He doesn't really understand anarchism. What he uses is really trotskyism, yeah it looks kinda like anarchism, but it isn't.
His novels are interesting from a Political standpoint (Eric Flint being the only other significant Trotskyist author in SF today, and Flint's much less political in his writings). Unfortunately, he can't write a believable female character to save his life.
But Ken MacLeod is a must read, just for writing a believable communist society that isn't hell or a utopia. This is certainly a rarity in todays world (Not that I'd want to live in his 4th International society, but that's personal taste, I wouldn't want to live in one of L. Neil Smith's Libertarian pipedreams either.)
I'd expect the last G3 line to last a while longer.
Since Apple can source the G3 from IBM, while the G4 is a Motorola product, and not long for the world, I expect. Perhaps an Altivec-enhanced G3 will be the G3/low-end G4 replacement (The G4 is not just a G3 with Altivec, being a PPC604 derivative, while the G3 is a PPC603 derivative)
The PPC970 wit its Power4 core, clocked at 1.6GHz completely trashes a 3GHz P4. Faster bus, faster integer, and completely outclasses the P4 for FPU and SIMD.
And it looks like Apple's going to ship a dual 2.0 GHz. This ain't your grandma's G4 (In fact, at the same clock, it looks like the PPC970 has a 1.5x or more advantage for integer and 2-2.5x advantage for FPU/SIMD over the G4, and the G4 is, clock-for-clock, the fastest CPU currently in the desktop and laptop market, it's only real disadvantages are low clock speed and the slow system bus, both of which are problems the PPC970 doesn't have).
Remember that Athlon is only clocked a couple of hundred MHz faster than the 970, and isn't nearly as fast, clock-for-clock.
You are aware that the Nazi's were a Socialist party?
The National Socialist German Workers Party.
And yes, they were an amalgam of Socialism and Fascism(Which is actually an Italian movement, not German).
Both Stalinism and Fascism are autocratic movements, neither are 'conservative' or 'Liberal' (And in fact, today, the 'Liberal' movement is conservative, as is some of the 'Conservative' movement, only the Neo-Cons and the Fourth International/Trotskyists are really liberal.)
The only effective difference between Noam Chomsky and Jerry Falwell is about 50 IQ points in Chomsky's favour. Both are Theocrats, just of different religions (Chomsky's religion being Transnational Progressivism, which is just as nasty and racist as Falwell's variation on Christianity)
1. OHCI controller (Open Host controller), this is a USB controller that follows the same interface spec as a Firewire controller.
2. UHCI controller (Universal Host Controller). EHCI (Enhanced Host Controller, aka USB2.0 aka Hi-Speed USB) controllers have an integrated UHCI controller for low speed devices to attach to. UHCI is always USB 1.1, but may just be the USB1.1 interface to a USB2.0 controller (For which you will see an EHCI controller too)
And that freedom is not guaranteed by Law, but by Slashdot's editors. You post here upon CmdrTaco's sufferance.
The Law says another can't stop you from speaking, not that you can require another to pay for your speech.
You have freedom of speech from your PC because YOU PAY for that access. You OWN your Presses under this analogy. One of the great gifts the Internet gave Freedom of Speech is the reduction of the cost of self-publishing. We're now back to the equivalent of Regency-era pamphleteering, which always was a great example of Freedom of Speech (Much as the prosecution of the Radicals was a warning against government power to restrict speech).
Using the government to hijack another's presses is restriction of speech (Since I also have the right to choose what I shall speak) not an increase.
The G4's bus architecture limits it to about a 70% speed increase.
The G4's biggest bottleneck is not clockspeed, but the slow bus, which prevents it from taking advantage of newer, faster memeory architectures. one big win of the PPC970 is that Apple will be moving from the slowest CPU bus (167MHz SDR) of the major PC vendors, to the fastest (450MHz DDR, 900MHz Effective), for their top end CPU's. It's also going to force Apple to ship dual-channel capable memory for the first time since the PowerMac 9600 was retired(7/8/9500, 8/9600 and 7300 PowerMac's used interleaved memory access if the DIMM's were installed in Matched pairs, which was simply a more flexible version of current dual-channel implementations), since they'll need dual DDR400 channels to even hope to feed a 1.8GHz PPC970.
But the government controls the purse strings. Ergo, should the government feel it necessary, it could control the beeb. Actually, under British law, the Government has some very interesting powers of censorship, it can quite effectively control ALL of the British Media, via your version of the Official Secrets Act, as the UK has only de facto Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press, not De Jure. Of course, enforcing that in an egregarious application would be problematic, with the lack of a written constitution, the judiciary has somewhat more leeway to tell the government where to get off.\ \
Because of the EU, which is a legal entity controlling most of Europe, with increasing supra-national powers. This is the 'Europe' to whcih we refer. you have chosen to integrate, now deal with the consequences.
of course, France is noted for disobeying the EU when it feels like it, but most of the other EU countries comply with EU laws quite well.
The BBC is funded by the public, and the public is forced to pay for their programming. ergo, it's gov't controlled, whether or not the government chooses to exercise this control is a moot point (And the government doesn't, or I'd doubt the Beeb's anti-american screeds of late would have made it to air, given Blair's heavy pro-american bias)
how is this any different from the CBC (Canadian Gov't Network), Voice of America, or TASS in the USSR?
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As compared to my almost 5 year old G3/333.
I've bought 1 OS upgrade for it (OS X). and 256MB of ram. Runs like a charm, way faster than any K6 (feels just like a similar-spec Duron 600 running Win2K)
Oh, and Mandrake will not run on a 10 year old system (When did the Pentium come out? less than 10 years ago, Mandrake will not run on less than a pentium). Oh, and OS X will run on an 8 year old system (Unsupported, just like Mandrake on a P133-era system would be, and kinda slow, but it does run, and with a G4 CPU card, RAM and decent PCI video card, it'll run acceptably on a x500 PCI Powermac).
GDI-based printers(WinPrinters) and WinModems are not cross-platform, since they actually do all the real work in software on the PC, rather than hardware in the modem/printer. Most decent printers render in hardware, so they'll work with driver support.
Yes and no.
Video Cards: usually no, but some cards can be flashed with a video bios that works (Radeon 7000 PCI, Voodoo3 2000). This isn't an Apple issue, but a combination of Endian-ness and Open Firmware support in Bios. If the chipset has drivers, Sun PCI video cards will work in Macs, and vice-versa (Generally only true for ATI Rage Pro/Mach 64 based cards, due to wonky support from Sun).
NIC's, yes if Drivers exist (Using a Belkin RTL8139 $10 special in my Beige G3 right now)
SCSI Cards, yes, non-bootable for most Adaptec cards. Bootable requires OpenFirmware compliant BIOS, usually not flashable.
ATA Cards: No, BIOS issue, not flashable.
PC-Cards:Yes, given driver support.
USB and Firewire devices: Usually. exception is wierd USB devices (TV tuners, some webcams, nifty gadgets, USB NIC's[no USB NIC drivers in Mac OS]). Any USB Mouse, Keyboard, or storage is supported, anything firewire usually has Mac support (But not always PC). Scanners and printers depend on drivers, support for which are getting better.
ATA Devices: Yes, but check for support for -R/RW drives (iTunes and Finder support most, but not all drives out there, aftermarket DVD-R's require 3rd party software, iDVD only works with Apple-ROM Superdrives due to Evil Licensing issues[not Apple's fault, they're the victim of the license])
any harddrive will work.
RAM: yes, if good, full-spec RAM (Mac's are notoriously picky about RAM following the full spec. Any top-name Ram will work, if right kind).
Soundcards: NO. Unless it's a pro-level card. USB sound devices may work.
Just checked the Apple Store, and you can drop the price to about $2450CDN by selecting a ComboDrive and no modem, that'll be just south of $1800US.
Umm, It's got more Video than the average user needs standard (I was expecting a Radeon 9200 as the default), with the Radeon 9800 Pro as a BTO option.
If you need the speed, you can have the fastest card on the Market.
Also that lowend model was a combodrive, and the new models are all superdriv-equipped.
Expect a combodrive model in a couple of months, once demand for the higher-spec models drops off.
Note that these all have Superdrives. Expect a Combodrive base model once demand drops a bit (September-ish I'd guess, maybe october), at ~$1600-1700 USD.
Given the likely supply issues, Apple's going to try and lower demand initially (That's why the only SMP box is the 2GHz, and why they're all Superdrive models), and then quietly introduce cheaper, lower-spec models in a few months (They've done this a few times before, including the superdrive/combodrive trick)
He doesn't really understand anarchism. What he uses is really trotskyism, yeah it looks kinda like anarchism, but it isn't.
His novels are interesting from a Political standpoint (Eric Flint being the only other significant Trotskyist author in SF today, and Flint's much less political in his writings). Unfortunately, he can't write a believable female character to save his life.
But Ken MacLeod is a must read, just for writing a believable communist society that isn't hell or a utopia. This is certainly a rarity in todays world (Not that I'd want to live in his 4th International society, but that's personal taste, I wouldn't want to live in one of L. Neil Smith's Libertarian pipedreams either.)
well, it could be one of those nice WD 10k RPM S-ATA Drives, which are damned fast when compared to the usual 7200RPM drives.
I'd expect the last G3 line to last a while longer.
Since Apple can source the G3 from IBM, while the G4 is a Motorola product, and not long for the world, I expect. Perhaps an Altivec-enhanced G3 will be the G3/low-end G4 replacement (The G4 is not just a G3 with Altivec, being a PPC604 derivative, while the G3 is a PPC603 derivative)
Umm, have you seen the specs on a PPC970 kiddo?
The PPC970 wit its Power4 core, clocked at 1.6GHz completely trashes a 3GHz P4. Faster bus, faster integer, and completely outclasses the P4 for FPU and SIMD.
And it looks like Apple's going to ship a dual 2.0 GHz. This ain't your grandma's G4 (In fact, at the same clock, it looks like the PPC970 has a 1.5x or more advantage for integer and 2-2.5x advantage for FPU/SIMD over the G4, and the G4 is, clock-for-clock, the fastest CPU currently in the desktop and laptop market, it's only real disadvantages are low clock speed and the slow system bus, both of which are problems the PPC970 doesn't have).
Remember that Athlon is only clocked a couple of hundred MHz faster than the 970, and isn't nearly as fast, clock-for-clock.
You are aware that the Nazi's were a Socialist party?
The National Socialist German Workers Party.
And yes, they were an amalgam of Socialism and Fascism(Which is actually an Italian movement, not German).
Both Stalinism and Fascism are autocratic movements, neither are 'conservative' or 'Liberal' (And in fact, today, the 'Liberal' movement is conservative, as is some of the 'Conservative' movement, only the Neo-Cons and the Fourth International/Trotskyists are really liberal.)
The only effective difference between Noam Chomsky and Jerry Falwell is about 50 IQ points in Chomsky's favour. Both are Theocrats, just of different religions (Chomsky's religion being Transnational Progressivism, which is just as nasty and racist as Falwell's variation on Christianity)
No, there are 2 kinds of USB 1.1 controller.
1. OHCI controller (Open Host controller), this is a USB controller that follows the same interface spec as a Firewire controller.
2. UHCI controller (Universal Host Controller). EHCI (Enhanced Host Controller, aka USB2.0 aka Hi-Speed USB) controllers have an integrated UHCI controller for low speed devices to attach to. UHCI is always USB 1.1, but may just be the USB1.1 interface to a USB2.0 controller (For which you will see an EHCI controller too)
That's exactly what they tried to do. the problem is some vendors aren't really following the proper labeling guidlines.
USB 2.0 is now the spec, with 3 speed levels (Low, Full and high), which should be labeled as either USB (Low or full speed) or Hi-Speed USB.
Amiga users Can't.
SCO's been close to MS for years, they got their first product from MS (MS Xenix, aka SCO OpenServer)
Or semi-decent RAM, given the RAM is running 266DDR or 333DDR, twice the speed of the CPU interface.
And that freedom is not guaranteed by Law, but by Slashdot's editors. You post here upon CmdrTaco's sufferance.
The Law says another can't stop you from speaking, not that you can require another to pay for your speech.
You have freedom of speech from your PC because YOU PAY for that access. You OWN your Presses under this analogy. One of the great gifts the Internet gave Freedom of Speech is the reduction of the cost of self-publishing. We're now back to the equivalent of Regency-era pamphleteering, which always was a great example of Freedom of Speech (Much as the prosecution of the Radicals was a warning against government power to restrict speech).
Using the government to hijack another's presses is restriction of speech (Since I also have the right to choose what I shall speak) not an increase.
British generally equals Scottish+English. Note that much of English law covers Scotland too.
The G4's bus architecture limits it to about a 70% speed increase.
The G4's biggest bottleneck is not clockspeed, but the slow bus, which prevents it from taking advantage of newer, faster memeory architectures. one big win of the PPC970 is that Apple will be moving from the slowest CPU bus (167MHz SDR) of the major PC vendors, to the fastest (450MHz DDR, 900MHz Effective), for their top end CPU's. It's also going to force Apple to ship dual-channel capable memory for the first time since the PowerMac 9600 was retired(7/8/9500, 8/9600 and 7300 PowerMac's used interleaved memory access if the DIMM's were installed in Matched pairs, which was simply a more flexible version of current dual-channel implementations), since they'll need dual DDR400 channels to even hope to feed a 1.8GHz PPC970.
And how many members of the Council of Europe are not either EU members, or applicants?
Not more than a tithe, I would expect.
But the government controls the purse strings. Ergo, should the government feel it necessary, it could control the beeb. Actually, under British law, the Government has some very interesting powers of censorship, it can quite effectively control ALL of the British Media, via your version of the Official Secrets Act, as the UK has only de facto Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press, not De Jure. Of course, enforcing that in an egregarious application would be problematic, with the lack of a written constitution, the judiciary has somewhat more leeway to tell the government where to get off.\
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You can respond all you like, but to make me subsidize your response is to infringe my rights.
Libel is another thing entirely (And a matter for the courts).
Because of the EU, which is a legal entity controlling most of Europe, with increasing supra-national powers. This is the 'Europe' to whcih we refer. you have chosen to integrate, now deal with the consequences.
of course, France is noted for disobeying the EU when it feels like it, but most of the other EU countries comply with EU laws quite well.
The BBC is funded by the public, and the public is forced to pay for their programming. ergo, it's gov't controlled, whether or not the government chooses to exercise this control is a moot point (And the government doesn't, or I'd doubt the Beeb's anti-american screeds of late would have made it to air, given Blair's heavy pro-american bias)
how is this any different from the CBC (Canadian Gov't Network), Voice of America, or TASS in the USSR?