Re:Forgotten studio? Not quite.
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Has Don Bluth done ANYTHING that actually made someone money? Every film I've heard of him involved in seems to have disappeared onto the scrapheap of financial and critical mediocrity.
Well, An American Tail made $47.8M domestically in 1986. Land Before Time grossed $82M globally on a budget of $12.3M; that was '89. And Secret of Nimh grossed on about that level, too.
Since '89, though, I don't think anything he's done has broken even before it's been released on video. The problem with Titan A.E. is that it had that huge budget which included setting up the Arizona studio ($75M), meaning it would have need to gross at least $150M before video to even have a chance at breaking even. It got about 1/5 of that worldwide, though a little better than what his other post-Dogs films racked up. It's not all his fault, honestly; if Fox had a clue in its head it wouldn't have flushed $75M down the toilet to win a pissing match with Disney/Pixar.
Since Titan A.E., Bluth's been attached to exactly ZERO projects. Can you say... done?
Requirements: 5 years experience with Windows 2000...
Back in the dotcom bubble days we used to list stuff like this intentionally. It was fun catching the liars out.
Me: So, you have ten years experience programming with ASP and JSP? Idot: Yeah! I've developed a number of sites with both back in the day. Me: Really? So what were you working on in 1990? Idot: I was (insert meaningless dotcom business programming phrase) web solutions. Me: Remarkable! Even more remarkable when you consider that ASP and JSP weren't even around in 1990. Idot: Uh, excuse me (bolts from room)
At least, that's what the e-mail I got from Evan Williams said. His explanation:
Pro subscribers helped keep us going
as a struggling start-up, when servers and bandwidth were at an
extreme premium. We wanted to keep basic Blogger free, but we needed
to start charging in order to keep the lights on. So we built new
things that would appeal to some Blogger users....
Today, as you may know, Blogger's situation is much different.
For one thing, we're part of Google....
Google has lots of computers and bandwidth. And Google believes blogs
are important and good for the web.
So, apparently, they have the money to offer the feature set of Pro to everyone. Good for them. (I moved to MT a few months ago for a number of reasons.) Those of us who paid the $35 got a nice parting gift.:)
this is another way to tax the locals just like his 'emp'
EMP has no taxpayer money in it. It is sitting on taxpayer land (the Seattle Center), but I think he even bought that.
And Seahawks Stadium cost $414M. About time we had a 70,000 seat outdoor stadium for a sport that's played during the rainy season. At least we're getting Celtic-Man U this summer.
That strategy has worked wonderfully well for him so far. And they only had what, 3 tries before the voters before they pushed that studium through in a back-door meeting?
Wrong stadium. The one that was pushed through over the voters rejection was Safeco Field. Seahawks Stadium was voted approved, although Allen did front the money to pay for the election.
Re:University of Washington not using new version
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It's more that C&C (the computing services people at UDub) takes its time deploying new software to the campus. Netscape 4.x was the browser of choice in the UWEBD package (the connectivity CD they sell to fac/staff/stu that defines the current recommended "benchmarks") until this fall when Mozilla took over.
Remember that UDub is still in session as well. If they upgrade Pine, it'll be over one of the quarter breaks.
Re:License Issues w/ Pine
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It specifically forbids development and support of branches of the codebase -- if I add a cool new feature that the maintainers refuse to add (web browsing, maybe), then I can't split off and make "Joe's Pine," I have to distribute a diff file with the original source tarball.
If you ever had to work with the University of Washington's patent and copyright folks, you'd understand. Since the university is an exceedingly underfunded institution, they demand their cut on all patents -- and Japanese companies compensate their internal inventors better.
Trust me, you want to put any homemade mods into your own personal tarball. If not, the University of Washington will act as if your mod is their personal property.
It would help if I cut and pasted from the right website.
Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed. -- G.K. Chesterson
Re:There's nothing wrong with this bill
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I think you're missing the point. CARP suggested charging WAY MORE for web streaming than what radio stations are charged for royalties. Anyway, most of the royalty money never reaches the artists' pockets; rather, it gets lost in the record companies' "accounting costs."
Most people playing this music aren't looking at profit but are playing music for the sake of music. Those that use "non-profit" status to try and slip by this are going to run head-long into the IRS rules on NPOs -- and they're NOT forgiving of organizations that try to use NPO status as a "cover."
Good news for the "true" non-profits
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like college radio and the NPR music stations (e.g. WXPN).
Problem, though, is that it could hurt the small, independent, for-profit stations. I can see Sh*tchannel using the royalty issue as a way to round up the last of the independents into their corporate droneness.
Guess this means I can start looking into streaming my music on the Web again. Now, if they could only relax the FCC rules on what you can play and when. (Not talking about obscenity but about the stifling rules on playing an artist more than once in a time period. I mean, if payola is legal now [with Sh*tchannel demanding $$$ from the record companies], then maybe we should toss out the rest of those 50s-era radio rules too.)
You're sounding like a troll. And anime is going mainstream, but it isn't anywhere near there yet. Until I see sorority girls wearing Sailor Moon T-shirts and Ford trucks with Kogepan pissing on a Chevy symbol, anime isn't mainstream.
If it weren't for Cowboy Bebop, I wouldn't be watching anime. Period. I thought it was all a cross between softcore porn and Transformers-on-steroids-and-crack. But then came Cowboy Bebop, and I got it. Then came Akira and Miyakazi's many works and Outlaw Star and Ghost In The Shell....
CN ain't the be-all end-all, but at least it got me to go into the extensive anime section of Scarecrow Video. Nice to have a world-class video store on the route home from work.
Oops. My bad. My username is some condescending artistic statement about something that I can't remember because it's Friday. I'm strings not skins, sorry. In fact, I play stringed instruments that would get me run off/.
Yeah, well, open source doesn't make a transparent government. A citizenry that demands to be well informed does. Of course, in a country where 2/3rds of its eligible citizens don't even bother to vote, I ain't holding my breath for seeing that. I'll go back to collecting my government paycheck that keeps getting smaller as the voters keep cutting to "cut waste." If they want to cut waste, why don't they come down to my office and beat the snot out of some of these pie-in-the-sky administrators who'll plunk down $250K for a database that does nothing more than manage their contacts?
Governments play by different rules. They need to be fiscally responsible, transparent to the public, and promote the public commonwealth whenever possible. Using Open Source or Free Software in government promotes all three of these goals....
Yes, but no. Open source is more fiscally responsible in that it costs nothing to purchase the actual package, but remember that you still need qualified people to maintain these systems -- and it's questionable whether someone with the necessary experience with the languages that drive open source (who are in much higher demand than VB programmers) would be willing to take a 25% pay cut and the endless grief that a government bureaucracy entails. Transparent to the public, yes, but the public wants transparent government dealings; they could care less if the minutes of a planning committee are written in OpenOffice or MS Word so long as those minutes remain available via Open Meeting Acts and Sunshine Laws. I don't see how putting driver's license records in MySQL IN ITSELF (I'm not arguing security, features, etc., I'm just arguing software containers) makes government more transparent than putting the same data in MS SQL Server. As for "promote the public commonwealth," I can see that, but the "slippery slope" argument looms. Will the citizenry start passing initiatives requiring PHP-driven web sites over JSP? No, esp. since 99% of voters think PHP is an illicit drug. But, government regulation of software is a potential. A legislature could be lobbied to restrict crypto. Citizen initiatives could pop up requiring that texts be in a common, easy-to-use, accessible format -- specifying MS Word or Adobe PDF.
At a time when we're mired in a recession and our fundamental rights are being stripped by an overzealous attorney general, a clueless group of rubes known as Congress, and the deep lobbying pockets of the RIAA and MPAA, this initiative is quixotic. If we're going to be politicizing open source, shouldn't we be getting the American public riled up about the possibility that the home taping laws are in jeopardy and that if the MPAA and RIAA have their way you'll be paying $5 just to time-shift "CSI"?
I'm a strong supporter of open source, esp. in government, but I'm with O'Reilly. This is a bad bill. Restricting freedom of choice is something never to be taken lightly.
How many of the 55,573 copies were purchased by people who had heard about the album on slashdot and wanted to try to 'help the cause.'
Of the ten people I know who bought copies of YHF last week:
5 were Wilco fans
2 were people who decided on buying YHF because of the MP3s
3 bought it because the other seven were slobbering all over the record and told them they had to check it out so they got the MP3s then bought it
I'm sure that there were some in the "stick it to DA MAN!" camp, but it's hard to believe that an album by a band which has never sold more than 190,000 copies of any of their previous records could draw enough of a "stick 'em" crowd to do this.
MP3s are the best advertising you can get for your record short of Oprah's Album Club. And, honestly, who would buy a record from Oprah's Record Club?
They said TV would lower attendance at sporting events. Instead, it heightened their popularity.
Jack Valenti's "Jack the Ripper" comments about the VCR have given way to a rental market that now generates 1/3rd of Hollywood's money every year.
And now comes Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, an album released on the Internet in MP3 format (and still available on unnamed P2P services) that has sold fairly briskly in its first week out.
The upshot, I think, is that the medium-sized bands can benefit greatly from file-swapping, and this only fills the coffers of the record companies all the more. I may or may not have been swapping files for two years, I cannot comment on this, but I can tell you that I have bought many more CDs lately, and this may be because I listened to tracks online before buying, or maybe I didn't. Anyway, the record companies will learn to adapt, because intense copy protection will only doom them in the end, esp. if said copy protection "requires" CDs to go to $20 retail.
OT: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is one of the best albums I've heard in years. Buy it, or find one of those file-sharing things and check out their music there -- then buy it.
it is real IEEE1394. it's just passed their audigy firewire port compatibility tests, so it's called sb1394.
<carson>I did not know that.</carson> Still, I'm leaning towards an iPod; its smaller size is more important to me than its drive being half the size of the new Nomad.
PC Minimum System Requirements:
Microsoft® Windows® 98 (Second Edition required for SB1394 transfer)/2000/Me/XP
Intel® Pentium II 233MHz or AMD K6®-2 266MHz
(Pentium III450MHz or higher recommended for MP3 encoding)
SVGA graphics adapter (256 colors, 800x600)
Internet connection for Internet content downloading or CDDB® support (any charges incurred are the responsibility of the end user)
64MB RAM (128MB recommended)
USB or SB1394 port (found on Sound Blaster® Audigy(TM) series of audio cards)
30MB free hard disk space (more for audio content storage)
Installed Mouse
Sound Blaster® Audigy(TM), Extigy(TM) or Live! for EAX® enhanced MP3 encoding
CD-ROM drive with digital audio extraction support
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I have to buy a new SOUNDCARD to use this thing? I just got my 5.1 Platinum six months ago. I'm not sure a lot of people are going to be up for paying $100 for a new card just to be able to use "SB 1394."
I can get an 10GB iPod with XDrive for under $450. Yes, the storage site is only 10GB, but with true Firewire I can shift files on and off in minutes rather than the hours USB1 takes.
There's plenty of proof that used books help the publishing industry. The idea that there should be no aftermarket for books is far more ludicrious.
In truth, the ones that are most hurt by used books are authors who either have a niche market or are so small-potatoes they only get one press run. But how much they get hurt is open to discussion; if people find a used book and find they like it, they're far more likely to buy the next one by that author new. If they don't, they recycle the book back into the used market. An author can build a pretty good following through the used market, sometimes enough to get larger print runs of new books and reprints of older books.
What the publishing industry is doing harkens back to the Garth Brooks' boycott of used record stores. To try to curtain the aftermarket on anything is just plain silly. If this logic were to pervade, one's choices would be to either hang onto a book or bin it, and throwing out all those trees is very ecologically unsound. Imagine 10 or 11 Fresh Kills full of the contents of Powell's.
If these publishers were smart, they'd come up with a simple and easy to work with system that would allow for one person to buy personal-use rights to a book and compensate both the publisher and the author, then allow for that person to transfer those rights to another person temporarily or permanently. Or, maybe they can have a group of people pool their money and buy these same rights, then house these books in a centrally located public building with a method of allowing these people who have paid to borrow these books once or multiple times. I think these are great ideas, and I'm sure the publishers will get right on it....
Re:College Football, what else is there?
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The Humanitarian Bowl is worth it just for the Smurf Turf. Blue turf!
I grew up in an Oklahoma family but got my degree from Colorado. That said, I'm going to watch the Fiesta Bowl tomorrow and then turn off the TV. Wife's birthday, after all. Far more engaging entertainment in the bedro#@#&*(%&*()&
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For me, the Usenet is a way for me to look back on college and what a stupid idot I was back then. All the embarrassment -- and the funny stuff -- is now back online.
My wife is really flustered. She refuses to let me read what she wrote back then. I did anyway, and honestly, it's no stranger than some of my rants.
First time I met the woman who would become my wife, she was talking about how she had the "Internet" thing. I mentioned I was a minor-minor Usenet celeb. Turns out she read my posts.
The Usenet also was responsible for my first online girlfriend, my first (and last) dotcom job, and a few other embarrassing moments. Reading it is like reading your high school journals -- you find that you have changed, but the things you don't like about yourself haven't changed at all.
Has Don Bluth done ANYTHING that actually made someone money? Every film I've heard of him involved in seems to have disappeared onto the scrapheap of financial and critical mediocrity.
Well, An American Tail made $47.8M domestically in 1986. Land Before Time grossed $82M globally on a budget of $12.3M; that was '89. And Secret of Nimh grossed on about that level, too.
Since '89, though, I don't think anything he's done has broken even before it's been released on video. The problem with Titan A.E. is that it had that huge budget which included setting up the Arizona studio ($75M), meaning it would have need to gross at least $150M before video to even have a chance at breaking even. It got about 1/5 of that worldwide, though a little better than what his other post-Dogs films racked up. It's not all his fault, honestly; if Fox had a clue in its head it wouldn't have flushed $75M down the toilet to win a pissing match with Disney/Pixar.
Since Titan A.E., Bluth's been attached to exactly ZERO projects. Can you say... done?
Congratulations! You're hired. :)
Requirements: 5 years experience with Windows 2000...
Back in the dotcom bubble days we used to list stuff like this intentionally. It was fun catching the liars out.
Me: So, you have ten years experience programming with ASP and JSP?
Idot: Yeah! I've developed a number of sites with both back in the day.
Me: Really? So what were you working on in 1990?
Idot: I was (insert meaningless dotcom business programming phrase) web solutions.
Me: Remarkable! Even more remarkable when you consider that ASP and JSP weren't even around in 1990.
Idot: Uh, excuse me (bolts from room)
And I was all set to mail them my DMCA-violating keyboard.
EMP has no taxpayer money in it. It is sitting on taxpayer land (the Seattle Center), but I think he even bought that.
And Seahawks Stadium cost $414M. About time we had a 70,000 seat outdoor stadium for a sport that's played during the rainy season. At least we're getting Celtic-Man U this summer.
Wrong stadium. The one that was pushed through over the voters rejection was Safeco Field. Seahawks Stadium was voted approved, although Allen did front the money to pay for the election.
It's more that C&C (the computing services people at UDub) takes its time deploying new software to the campus. Netscape 4.x was the browser of choice in the UWEBD package (the connectivity CD they sell to fac/staff/stu that defines the current recommended "benchmarks") until this fall when Mozilla took over.
Remember that UDub is still in session as well. If they upgrade Pine, it'll be over one of the quarter breaks.
It specifically forbids development and support of branches of the codebase -- if I add a cool new feature that the maintainers refuse to add (web browsing, maybe), then I can't split off and make "Joe's Pine," I have to distribute a diff file with the original source tarball.
If you ever had to work with the University of Washington's patent and copyright folks, you'd understand. Since the university is an exceedingly underfunded institution, they demand their cut on all patents -- and Japanese companies compensate their internal inventors better.
Trust me, you want to put any homemade mods into your own personal tarball. If not, the University of Washington will act as if your mod is their personal property.
You could be nice enough to credit this to GK Chesterton, and not paraphrase it.
It should also be noted that this is the epigraph to Neil Gaiman's children's book Coraline.
Most people playing this music aren't looking at profit but are playing music for the sake of music. Those that use "non-profit" status to try and slip by this are going to run head-long into the IRS rules on NPOs -- and they're NOT forgiving of organizations that try to use NPO status as a "cover."
like college radio and the NPR music stations (e.g. WXPN).
Problem, though, is that it could hurt the small, independent, for-profit stations. I can see Sh*tchannel using the royalty issue as a way to round up the last of the independents into their corporate droneness.
Guess this means I can start looking into streaming my music on the Web again. Now, if they could only relax the FCC rules on what you can play and when. (Not talking about obscenity but about the stifling rules on playing an artist more than once in a time period. I mean, if payola is legal now [with Sh*tchannel demanding $$$ from the record companies], then maybe we should toss out the rest of those 50s-era radio rules too.)You're sounding like a troll. And anime is going mainstream, but it isn't anywhere near there yet. Until I see sorority girls wearing Sailor Moon T-shirts and Ford trucks with Kogepan pissing on a Chevy symbol, anime isn't mainstream.
If it weren't for Cowboy Bebop, I wouldn't be watching anime. Period. I thought it was all a cross between softcore porn and Transformers-on-steroids-and-crack. But then came Cowboy Bebop, and I got it. Then came Akira and Miyakazi's many works and Outlaw Star and Ghost In The Shell....
CN ain't the be-all end-all, but at least it got me to go into the extensive anime section of Scarecrow Video. Nice to have a world-class video store on the route home from work.
but what's GRP?
Apologies for the spittle. Need a rag?
Yeah, well, open source doesn't make a transparent government. A citizenry that demands to be well informed does. Of course, in a country where 2/3rds of its eligible citizens don't even bother to vote, I ain't holding my breath for seeing that. I'll go back to collecting my government paycheck that keeps getting smaller as the voters keep cutting to "cut waste." If they want to cut waste, why don't they come down to my office and beat the snot out of some of these pie-in-the-sky administrators who'll plunk down $250K for a database that does nothing more than manage their contacts?
Yes, but no. Open source is more fiscally responsible in that it costs nothing to purchase the actual package, but remember that you still need qualified people to maintain these systems -- and it's questionable whether someone with the necessary experience with the languages that drive open source (who are in much higher demand than VB programmers) would be willing to take a 25% pay cut and the endless grief that a government bureaucracy entails. Transparent to the public, yes, but the public wants transparent government dealings; they could care less if the minutes of a planning committee are written in OpenOffice or MS Word so long as those minutes remain available via Open Meeting Acts and Sunshine Laws. I don't see how putting driver's license records in MySQL IN ITSELF (I'm not arguing security, features, etc., I'm just arguing software containers) makes government more transparent than putting the same data in MS SQL Server. As for "promote the public commonwealth," I can see that, but the "slippery slope" argument looms. Will the citizenry start passing initiatives requiring PHP-driven web sites over JSP? No, esp. since 99% of voters think PHP is an illicit drug. But, government regulation of software is a potential. A legislature could be lobbied to restrict crypto. Citizen initiatives could pop up requiring that texts be in a common, easy-to-use, accessible format -- specifying MS Word or Adobe PDF.
At a time when we're mired in a recession and our fundamental rights are being stripped by an overzealous attorney general, a clueless group of rubes known as Congress, and the deep lobbying pockets of the RIAA and MPAA, this initiative is quixotic. If we're going to be politicizing open source, shouldn't we be getting the American public riled up about the possibility that the home taping laws are in jeopardy and that if the MPAA and RIAA have their way you'll be paying $5 just to time-shift "CSI"?
I'm a strong supporter of open source, esp. in government, but I'm with O'Reilly. This is a bad bill. Restricting freedom of choice is something never to be taken lightly.
Of the ten people I know who bought copies of YHF last week:
5 were Wilco fans
2 were people who decided on buying YHF because of the MP3s
3 bought it because the other seven were slobbering all over the record and told them they had to check it out so they got the MP3s then bought it
I'm sure that there were some in the "stick it to DA MAN!" camp, but it's hard to believe that an album by a band which has never sold more than 190,000 copies of any of their previous records could draw enough of a "stick 'em" crowd to do this.
MP3s are the best advertising you can get for your record short of Oprah's Album Club. And, honestly, who would buy a record from Oprah's Record Club?
They said TV would lower attendance at sporting events. Instead, it heightened their popularity.
Jack Valenti's "Jack the Ripper" comments about the VCR have given way to a rental market that now generates 1/3rd of Hollywood's money every year.
And now comes Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, an album released on the Internet in MP3 format (and still available on unnamed P2P services) that has sold fairly briskly in its first week out.
The upshot, I think, is that the medium-sized bands can benefit greatly from file-swapping, and this only fills the coffers of the record companies all the more. I may or may not have been swapping files for two years, I cannot comment on this, but I can tell you that I have bought many more CDs lately, and this may be because I listened to tracks online before buying, or maybe I didn't. Anyway, the record companies will learn to adapt, because intense copy protection will only doom them in the end, esp. if said copy protection "requires" CDs to go to $20 retail.
OT: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is one of the best albums I've heard in years. Buy it, or find one of those file-sharing things and check out their music there -- then buy it.
<carson>I did not know that.</carson>
Still, I'm leaning towards an iPod; its smaller size is more important to me than its drive being half the size of the new Nomad.
Microsoft® Windows® 98 (Second Edition required for SB1394 transfer)/2000/Me/XP
Intel® Pentium II 233MHz or AMD K6®-2 266MHz (Pentium III450MHz or higher recommended for MP3 encoding)
SVGA graphics adapter (256 colors, 800x600)
Internet connection for Internet content downloading or CDDB® support (any charges incurred are the responsibility of the end user)
64MB RAM (128MB recommended)
USB or SB1394 port (found on Sound Blaster® Audigy(TM) series of audio cards)
30MB free hard disk space (more for audio content storage)
Installed Mouse
Sound Blaster® Audigy(TM), Extigy(TM) or Live! for EAX® enhanced MP3 encoding
CD-ROM drive with digital audio extraction support
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I have to buy a new SOUNDCARD to use this thing? I just got my 5.1 Platinum six months ago. I'm not sure a lot of people are going to be up for paying $100 for a new card just to be able to use "SB 1394."
I can get an 10GB iPod with XDrive for under $450. Yes, the storage site is only 10GB, but with true Firewire I can shift files on and off in minutes rather than the hours USB1 takes.
Come on Creative, give us REAL Firewire support!
There's plenty of proof that used books help the publishing industry. The idea that there should be no aftermarket for books is far more ludicrious.
In truth, the ones that are most hurt by used books are authors who either have a niche market or are so small-potatoes they only get one press run. But how much they get hurt is open to discussion; if people find a used book and find they like it, they're far more likely to buy the next one by that author new. If they don't, they recycle the book back into the used market. An author can build a pretty good following through the used market, sometimes enough to get larger print runs of new books and reprints of older books.
What the publishing industry is doing harkens back to the Garth Brooks' boycott of used record stores. To try to curtain the aftermarket on anything is just plain silly. If this logic were to pervade, one's choices would be to either hang onto a book or bin it, and throwing out all those trees is very ecologically unsound. Imagine 10 or 11 Fresh Kills full of the contents of Powell's.
If these publishers were smart, they'd come up with a simple and easy to work with system that would allow for one person to buy personal-use rights to a book and compensate both the publisher and the author, then allow for that person to transfer those rights to another person temporarily or permanently. Or, maybe they can have a group of people pool their money and buy these same rights, then house these books in a centrally located public building with a method of allowing these people who have paid to borrow these books once or multiple times. I think these are great ideas, and I'm sure the publishers will get right on it....
I grew up in an Oklahoma family but got my degree from Colorado. That said, I'm going to watch the Fiesta Bowl tomorrow and then turn off the TV. Wife's birthday, after all. Far more engaging entertainment in the bedro#@#&*(%&*()&
NO CARRIER
For me, the Usenet is a way for me to look back on college and what a stupid idot I was back then. All the embarrassment -- and the funny stuff -- is now back online.
My wife is really flustered. She refuses to let me read what she wrote back then. I did anyway, and honestly, it's no stranger than some of my rants.
First time I met the woman who would become my wife, she was talking about how she had the "Internet" thing. I mentioned I was a minor-minor Usenet celeb. Turns out she read my posts.
The Usenet also was responsible for my first online girlfriend, my first (and last) dotcom job, and a few other embarrassing moments. Reading it is like reading your high school journals -- you find that you have changed, but the things you don't like about yourself haven't changed at all.