-1 flamebait, that's a little harsh for such an opinion. May be it's just me, but I've always worked well in pairs and I've never worked very well if I added a third or fourth person. It's like I need the feedback and the structure of having someone else work with me, but that benefit doesn't get translated once I start adding more people.
My point is a highly 'socialist' one and that is that labour should be compensated for properly.
What about kids who are just starting to learn programming? How should they be compensated? What about Indian programmers who make $20 an hour? That's still a lot of money down there.
Usually, one person dominates and takes the credit while the others just stay in the background. A great many inventions and Nobel Laureates have been made this way.
I shall reiterate: why are people against children working for pennies an hour in Nike shoe factories in India?
This question bears a number of answers. And before I give the answer you're looking for, I'd just like to say you're trying to turn this into an emotional argument since we were not talking about "Indian children" programmers and we were certainly not talking about dangerous sweaty "sweatshop" conditions. We were talking about programming.
Why are people against even just normal adults working for pennies an hour?
Because people are trying to protect their own jobs from dirt cheap competition. Is this the point you were trying to make? So in other words, because most people feel the same way you do, you're arguing that makes your opinion valid.
So why are you so eager to promote something that would strip us (programmers) of our status of labour workers? Just because our labour doesn't induce sweat, doesn't mean it's not labour.
Because he's a programmer. Most programmers labor to replace themselves out of a steady job. That's what progress is about. You replace yourself, you update your skills, and then you hope you can find a new opportunity somewhere else. It's not an easy life, but it sure beats fighting for your "right" to keep an outdated job.
"McFact #3: She initially tried to settle for $20,000 "
She was very greedy: it was her own mistake: McDonald's owed her nothing.
You purposefully cut out the part about the "medical bills". How can you be greedy for wanting to pay your own medical bills? In my town, $20,000 will pay for the ambulance ride, the emergency medical care, and just a couple days worth of hospitalization.
That is a bad thing. The coffee is too cold now: they get a lot of customer complaints about it.
Now, you're just full of it. McDs coffee has always had the worst coffee in the business. Other places make good coffee, those other places are bound by the same liability that McD is bound by, and they don't need to make their coffee at an extreme temperature in order to make it good.
I guess you have a problem with cows, gold fishes, and chickens as well. The only reason we're accepting those abberations is because we're already used to them. We'll get used to the GloFish, if not you, at least your grandkids will.
Well I don't sympathize. Why can't some people block this stuff mentally? I get penis, hot love4u, debt consolidation, viagra, etc. spam all the time. Those emails I DO NOT OPEN. They go straight to the trash. Additionally, I keep the adware off my machine. I don't really have any problems.
Indifference to the death threats should also be the response of the spammer. Just consider it a cost of doing business. When you email a couple of million people and when you refuse to unsubscribe them, you're bound to upset a few deranged people.
If the spammer wins, this is going to open the flowed gates for thousands of prosecutions. And as a taxpayer, I don't want to pay for this crap. Our government has better things to do.
Wow! A slashdotter who actually doesn't try to get out of jury duty. I didn't know they existed.
Here is a guide that tells you why you should disregard the instructions of the judge. http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/The_Law/jurors_handb ook.htm
Iraq never threatened the US. Get your history straight. Saddam even asked and received the permission from the US to invade Kuwait. Besides, that 87 billion is not all directly going to Iraq, most of it is going the military and American companies for "rebuilding" Iraq.
It doesn't matter, the FBI will still access OnStar when they want it.
"Other than being naturally paranoid, can you provide any real evidence of this? "
OnStar can turn on the mic when there has been an accident. It's not much of a stretch to think they can turn it on when you're just riding along. It's also not much of stretch to think that if one service provider doesn't resist the warrant, the other service providers probably won't resist either. And now that PATRIOT act has passed, the FBI doesn't need probable cause to get issued that warrant.
When I bought a car recently, the finance guy tried to sell me Lo-Jack,
On a side note, one should never talk to the finance guys, they're all a bunch of scam artists.
When I buy a car, I get my financing done online, they fedex me a cashier's check overnight, and if the salesman still insists that I talk to the finance guy, I simply walk away. And more recently, I've also been using the fax to get the best quote. I copied that idea and the letter I found in a book called "The Millionaire Next Door".
When memory gets cheap enough, they'll probably require the companies to record and archive the recordings for future possible warrants. That's what they did with ISPs.
And yes, they still need a Warrant for American citizens, but the criterion for getting the warrant is not "probable cause" anymore -- they just need to think you're a "terrorist suspect" and the judge has no choice but to give it to them.
Incidently, the natural rate of transmission from mother to child is 25% and with the new drugs on the market during pregnancy we'll be able to cut that down to 0%.
I realize developing countries probably won't have access to those drugs for the next twenty years, but I just thought I would throw in that little factoid in there.
When the alternative is doing nothing and watching our buildings fall down or watching Israeli babies blown to bits by suicide bombers, it's immoral to not persue the will of the American people to use the military to destroy the evil which assails us.
If you're a Palestinian, it's probably immoral to just stand there while the Israeli government and the Settlement vigilantes bulldoze your house, drop bombs on your neighborhood, and kill Palestinian babies.
And if you're a Saudi, it's probably immoral to let foreigners come into your home country and take power just because they don't like the next successor to lead the House of Saud.
The only alternative is not "to do nothing", it's to educate yourself about the situation. If you had done that part, you'd know that far many more Palestinians babies have been killed than Israeli babies. You'd know that Iraq was tricked by our American ambassador into invading Kuwait. You would know that the US government was complicit with the atrocities Saddam committed. You'd know that the excuse for sending troops to Saudi Arabia was completely bogus and the evidence of impending invasion completely falsified. And you certainly wouldn't be surprised that the Saudi people were trying to fight for their sovereignty.
...that I could raise the dirt-farmers of the world to a level of reasonable material stability).
And what's your level of reasonable material stability? The poorest Americans have lots of material possessions, but they are some of the most dissatisfied people in the World.
Sure Open Source has tech support. An Open Source developer will talk to you if you pay him. An Open Source developer will talk to you for free if he thinks he might be able to sell you his services in the future. And sometimes an Open Source developer might even talk to you for free for the sake of the application or the sake of altruism.
Not only Open Source does indeed have phone tech support, but it also has the the most flexible tech support options in the world. You'll get to chose the person who will give you support. You'll get to screen the background of the person giving you that support (by looking at newsgroups, or by directly looking at the code). And in most cases, you'll get to suggest the terms of the support contract you desire. Tech Support really doesn't get better than this.
Postscript: For all the sticklers out there, when I referred to "Open Source", I used the meaning of the term used by the parent. I think we all know the difference between Open Source and Free software.
I'm sure COSCO is your kind of company though... cheap slave-products.
I never shopped at COSCO, but if it's Costco you're alluding to. I do love that store. It's cheap and the store does have a human face. In this day and age, I agree that very few big stores have a human face, but surprisingly Costco is not one of them.
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-1 flamebait, that's a little harsh for such an opinion. May be it's just me, but I've always worked well in pairs and I've never worked very well if I added a third or fourth person. It's like I need the feedback and the structure of having someone else work with me, but that benefit doesn't get translated once I start adding more people.
What about kids who are just starting to learn programming? How should they be compensated? What about Indian programmers who make $20 an hour? That's still a lot of money down there.
Usually, one person dominates and takes the credit while the others just stay in the background. A great many inventions and Nobel Laureates have been made this way.
You never fough this trend? I'm sorry, I thought you were raising this issue because you wanted coercive government intervention.
PS: I never said that you were "outskilled", I just meant that your skills were outdated if someone else can do the same job for less pay.
This question bears a number of answers. And before I give the answer you're looking for, I'd just like to say you're trying to turn this into an emotional argument since we were not talking about "Indian children" programmers and we were certainly not talking about dangerous sweaty "sweatshop" conditions. We were talking about programming.
Why are people against even just normal adults working for pennies an hour?
Because people are trying to protect their own jobs from dirt cheap competition. Is this the point you were trying to make? So in other words, because most people feel the same way you do, you're arguing that makes your opinion valid.
A team of 2 interesting, friendly people will ALWAYS outperform a team of 5 people.
Because he's a programmer. Most programmers labor to replace themselves out of a steady job. That's what progress is about. You replace yourself, you update your skills, and then you hope you can find a new opportunity somewhere else. It's not an easy life, but it sure beats fighting for your "right" to keep an outdated job.
She was very greedy: it was her own mistake: McDonald's owed her nothing.
You purposefully cut out the part about the "medical bills". How can you be greedy for wanting to pay your own medical bills? In my town, $20,000 will pay for the ambulance ride, the emergency medical care, and just a couple days worth of hospitalization.
That is a bad thing. The coffee is too cold now: they get a lot of customer complaints about it.
Now, you're just full of it. McDs coffee has always had the worst coffee in the business. Other places make good coffee, those other places are bound by the same liability that McD is bound by, and they don't need to make their coffee at an extreme temperature in order to make it good.
I guess you have a problem with cows, gold fishes, and chickens as well. The only reason we're accepting those abberations is because we're already used to them. We'll get used to the GloFish, if not you, at least your grandkids will.
Indifference to the death threats should also be the response of the spammer. Just consider it a cost of doing business. When you email a couple of million people and when you refuse to unsubscribe them, you're bound to upset a few deranged people.
If the spammer wins, this is going to open the flowed gates for thousands of prosecutions. And as a taxpayer, I don't want to pay for this crap. Our government has better things to do.
Wow! A slashdotter who actually doesn't try to get out of jury duty. I didn't know they existed.b ook.htm
Here is a guide that tells you why you should disregard the instructions of the judge.
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/The_Law/jurors_hand
Got it. Thanks.
Iraq never threatened the US. Get your history straight. Saddam even asked and received the permission from the US to invade Kuwait. Besides, that 87 billion is not all directly going to Iraq, most of it is going the military and American companies for "rebuilding" Iraq.
"Other than being naturally paranoid, can you provide any real evidence of this? "
OnStar can turn on the mic when there has been an accident. It's not much of a stretch to think they can turn it on when you're just riding along. It's also not much of stretch to think that if one service provider doesn't resist the warrant, the other service providers probably won't resist either. And now that PATRIOT act has passed, the FBI doesn't need probable cause to get issued that warrant.
On a side note, one should never talk to the finance guys, they're all a bunch of scam artists.
When I buy a car, I get my financing done online, they fedex me a cashier's check overnight, and if the salesman still insists that I talk to the finance guy, I simply walk away. And more recently, I've also been using the fax to get the best quote. I copied that idea and the letter I found in a book called "The Millionaire Next Door".
When memory gets cheap enough, they'll probably require the companies to record and archive the recordings for future possible warrants. That's what they did with ISPs.
And yes, they still need a Warrant for American citizens, but the criterion for getting the warrant is not "probable cause" anymore -- they just need to think you're a "terrorist suspect" and the judge has no choice but to give it to them.
That's fine by me. We can have a government agency for street sweeping and guarantee a $3 an hour street sweeping job for everyone.
It doesn't matter, the FBI will still access OnStar when they want it.
Incidently, the natural rate of transmission from mother to child is 25% and with the new drugs on the market during pregnancy we'll be able to cut that down to 0%.
I realize developing countries probably won't have access to those drugs for the next twenty years, but I just thought I would throw in that little factoid in there.
If you're a Palestinian, it's probably immoral to just stand there while the Israeli government and the Settlement vigilantes bulldoze your house, drop bombs on your neighborhood, and kill Palestinian babies. And if you're a Saudi, it's probably immoral to let foreigners come into your home country and take power just because they don't like the next successor to lead the House of Saud.
The only alternative is not "to do nothing", it's to educate yourself about the situation. If you had done that part, you'd know that far many more Palestinians babies have been killed than Israeli babies. You'd know that Iraq was tricked by our American ambassador into invading Kuwait. You would know that the US government was complicit with the atrocities Saddam committed. You'd know that the excuse for sending troops to Saudi Arabia was completely bogus and the evidence of impending invasion completely falsified. And you certainly wouldn't be surprised that the Saudi people were trying to fight for their sovereignty.
And what's your level of reasonable material stability? The poorest Americans have lots of material possessions, but they are some of the most dissatisfied people in the World.
What else would you suggest? Do you want a government agency to decide what was your contribution?
Sure Open Source has tech support. An Open Source developer will talk to you if you pay him. An Open Source developer will talk to you for free if he thinks he might be able to sell you his services in the future. And sometimes an Open Source developer might even talk to you for free for the sake of the application or the sake of altruism.
Not only Open Source does indeed have phone tech support, but it also has the the most flexible tech support options in the world. You'll get to chose the person who will give you support. You'll get to screen the background of the person giving you that support (by looking at newsgroups, or by directly looking at the code). And in most cases, you'll get to suggest the terms of the support contract you desire. Tech Support really doesn't get better than this.
Postscript: For all the sticklers out there, when I referred to "Open Source", I used the meaning of the term used by the parent. I think we all know the difference between Open Source and Free software.
I never shopped at COSCO, but if it's Costco you're alluding to. I do love that store. It's cheap and the store does have a human face. In this day and age, I agree that very few big stores have a human face, but surprisingly Costco is not one of them.