Um, I don't think that's the meaning of "clients" they had in mind... Unfortunatly, scince user design is a highly underrated part of the IT industry, given e.g. how much it contributed to Microsofts success (Remember the good old times when users didn't think that "just reboot, and if that doesn't help, reinstall" was a perfectly normal strategy to fix problems, and constant crashes in no way related to software quality?)
They want the PIM features of their EMail-Client to work independently from the rest of it? Um, how about using a different application for different tasks?
Obviously bloatware has finally won, if users even request it. Is there really something wrong with the "toolbox" approach of one tool for one job, or is it only that Windows-socialized people never had a chance to learn about it (due to the lack of usable tools)?
(Then again, I use Gnus.. but that is of course something completely different!)
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The "LinuxUser" magazine is indeed made for those who have no (or very little) experience with Linux, unlike it's big sister, "Linux Magazin".
They usually feature introductionary articles like step-by-step walktroughs of some KDE CD-burner, or "Look, ma - if I hit Tab twice, the shell tells me what files are in this directory!"-type 'tricks'.
For these people everything except SuSE is something "different", and for most probably a new SuSE is as well. Additionally, those unwashed masses tend not to have broadband in germany, so a CD coming with a magazine surely makes it more likely for them to try some new software.
That would be cool - esp. if one could arrange that their old anti-Linux-ads would be displayed next to them.
(Scince I'm not sure whether those adds were used outside Germany: It showed four mutated penguins and stated that "an open system isn't always an advantage" or something like that - it basically dissed Linux' flexibility...)
Remember, Miguel used to work for (or at least applied to) Microsoft.
It's not the first time I heard this - but it always was on/., so forgive me if I dare to be a little sceptic. Are there any more reliable pointers that back this up?
In a control panel, every available option is visible. ... Now, this is not to say the control panel system is perfect. [...], some options are hidden in non-intuitive places, etc.
Maybe things are not always as easy as they seem, hum? BTW, you cannot grep control panels...
So easy to use that it almost doesn't feel like linux =)
Hey, if you say it like this, it almost sounds like a good thing!
However, I wonder why I would want to use Linux if the only argument is that it doesn't feel like Linux. If I would like Windows better, guess what, I'd use it.
But actually, I like Unix - I like a system that is inherently open and invites me to play with it, to actually understand what it does, to make it my system.
Ah well, you know the saying: "Linux is for people who don't like windows..."
I once tried Mandrake - for about 5 minutes more than the install took. Come on - you cannot take an operating system serious that gives you that/etc/motd.
Oh, and by the way, for all those "Mandrake needs your money" idiots: I need money, too. If all of you send me, say, 50 bucks, I will happily give you a collection of free software other people wrote as well...
The Germans generally (at least the young to middle aged ones) are mostly tech savvy, have a clue about politics, and actually care.
Would you mind telling where you've been exactly, so I can move there? (Or could it be that people slashdotters meet working at a customer site could be more tech savy then the avarage?)
Munchen ROCKS.
Ick - forget what I said about moving. I'll just drink beer and stay where I am:)
Note, however, that it is not the only banned party. The communist party got banned as well, e.g..
Oh, and scince you seem to worry, there are still more than enough nazis aroung here, thank you. They still manage to kill a foreigner or to destroy a jewish cemetary once month or so. Of course, the good times of the early nineties are over, where nazis sieged a house inhabited mostly by vietnamese guest-workers for three days in Rostock, having fun with molotow-cocktails, applauded by their Volksgenossen, protected by the police, and supported by the free press.
It's not as if nazis weren't still a real problem in germany, you know.
I am an "english speaking German reading/.", so i'll bite...
First, they aren't "moving to OSS for all government". The Bundestag will use Linux as servers (including authentication etc.), while the clients will get WinXP. Other federal institutions do pretty much what they want to.
Second, the german government does most certainly not care so much about civil rights as you may think. Especially after 9/11 (and yes, I know the WTC wasn't exactly a german institution, but most germans seem to have forgot) there was quite a great backslash in civil rights, especially regarding privacy.
For example, a few days after, the minister of inner affairs (?) Otto Schily proposed that police should have the right to know about any of your banking transactions. Also, they started the "Rasterfahndung", meaning that they would get all information about "suspect" persons - mostly muslimic students - from all kinds of sources, including their universities, power suppliers, post offices etc. Of course, some people noticed that this was unconstitutional, but well, who cares...
Another incident was some guy proposing to force ISPs to block certain sites, which some ISPs promply did (including some universities), althoug the guy proposing it did not have any authority to force it.
Even before, there's a long record of not-so-privacy-respecting incidents. One of the funnier ones was a law that tried to force ISPs to keep every piece of data their customers sent and recieved for IIRC 7 years, while of course guaranteeing confidentality when passing over this data to the police. Of course, the ISPs protested, if only because of the costs of keeping such an amount of data.
It's hard to compare the situation between two countries, scince most people just know one of them good enough, but germany if definitely not a civil rights paradise.
So why would the government of Germany want their citizens to talk without knowing what they arte talking about? In itself it doesn't make sense.
It's not that they want strong crypto for their citizens, but for their companies. It's the minister of economics who is a supporter of crypto and open source, while the minister of inner affairs basically tries to cut down all of the citizens democratic rights , including that of privacy.
Believe me, though there are some cool things going on here in germany (like the Bundestag getting equipped with linux servers), it's not all roses
Well, they didn't. Actually, a first beta was released, and even that is not yet mentioned on the linked page.
Which is a pity, because, having tried the alpha versions, programming with PyKDE is really, really nice. Unfortunatly it's quite a huge package, so unless Distributors ship it by default, you shouldn't expect users to be too happy it you tell them to compile it themselves.
Remember, however, that the flame-thrower layout is copyrighted by Theo de Raadt, so you have to buy it from an official distributor to support the project or use an inofficial, modified third-party flame-thrower where noone guarantees the same amout of testing and quality.
Would anyone care to explain what's going on? The Jakarta article doesn't state what exactly locks OS out (and out of what), and the linked "requirements" page, well, mentions requirements, but not how they are not met.
All of those are much slower than the equivalent C code.
Proof? Of course, there cannot be one, but if you like benchmarks, compare the Great Computer Language Shootout. Though C "wins", I wouldn't exactly call it "much slower".
They all use byte-code or generate C code, then compile the C code.
Wrong. For all languages I mentioned there are native compilers available. For all (AFAIK, not sure about Standard ML), there are also bytecode compilers available, for some also compilers to C.
BTW, nobody would ever be so stupid to first generate bytecode, then C out of this (At least I hope so). Oh, and assembly isn't what you compile to in the end, thats why there are assemblers.
None that I know of generate assembly language directly.
If you talk of generating native binaries directly, you surely should try to get to know more. Here are a few:
If the functional language people would get off their collective butts and write a real compiler, those would be the languages of choice. By real compiler I mean something that compiles directly from source to assembly language without using a middle layer of C.
You mean like you can do it with Objective Caml, Standard ML, Haskell, Common Lisp, Scheme, and probably a lot of other functional languages?
Seems you need a better excuse to keep using ugly languages...
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Um, I don't think that's the meaning of "clients" they had in mind... Unfortunatly, scince user design is a highly underrated part of the IT industry, given e.g. how much it contributed to Microsofts success (Remember the good old times when users didn't think that "just reboot, and if that doesn't help, reinstall" was a perfectly normal strategy to fix problems, and constant crashes in no way related to software quality?)
Obviously bloatware has finally won, if users even request it. Is there really something wrong with the "toolbox" approach of one tool for one job, or is it only that Windows-socialized people never had a chance to learn about it (due to the lack of usable tools)?
(Then again, I use Gnus.. but that is of course something completely different!)
reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,map(lambda x:chr(ord(x)^42),tuple('zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b')))
You mentioned both Perl and VB in one sentence with computer science. You lose.
They usually feature introductionary articles like step-by-step walktroughs of some KDE CD-burner, or "Look, ma - if I hit Tab twice, the shell tells me what files are in this directory!"-type 'tricks'.
For these people everything except SuSE is something "different", and for most probably a new SuSE is as well. Additionally, those unwashed masses tend not to have broadband in germany, so a CD coming with a magazine surely makes it more likely for them to try some new software.
IIRC, lousy. OpenOffice seems to be quite a bitch when it comes to portability. It doesn't even build on FreeBSD yet.
(Scince I'm not sure whether those adds were used outside Germany: It showed four mutated penguins and stated that "an open system isn't always an advantage" or something like that - it basically dissed Linux' flexibility...)
It's not the first time I heard this - but it always was on
Now, this is not to say the control panel system is perfect. [...], some options are hidden in non-intuitive places, etc.
Maybe things are not always as easy as they seem, hum? BTW, you cannot grep control panels...
And, of course, Berlin, which happens to rock hard.
Hey, if you say it like this, it almost sounds like a good thing!
However, I wonder why I would want to use Linux if the only argument is that it doesn't feel like Linux. If I would like Windows better, guess what, I'd use it.
But actually, I like Unix - I like a system that is inherently open and invites me to play with it, to actually understand what it does, to make it my system.
Ah well, you know the saying: "Linux is for people who don't like windows..."
Oh, and by the way, for all those "Mandrake needs your money" idiots: I need money, too. If all of you send me, say, 50 bucks, I will happily give you a collection of free software other people wrote as well...
Doesn't Windows 9x have this feature, too?
Would you mind telling where you've been exactly, so I can move there? (Or could it be that people slashdotters meet working at a customer site could be more tech savy then the avarage?)
Ick - forget what I said about moving. I'll just drink beer and stay where I amOh, and scince you seem to worry, there are still more than enough nazis aroung here, thank you. They still manage to kill a foreigner or to destroy a jewish cemetary once month or so. Of course, the good times of the early nineties are over, where nazis sieged a house inhabited mostly by vietnamese guest-workers for three days in Rostock, having fun with molotow-cocktails, applauded by their Volksgenossen, protected by the police, and supported by the free press.
It's not as if nazis weren't still a real problem in germany, you know.
First, they aren't "moving to OSS for all government". The Bundestag will use Linux as servers (including authentication etc.), while the clients will get WinXP. Other federal institutions do pretty much what they want to.
Second, the german government does most certainly not care so much about civil rights as you may think. Especially after 9/11 (and yes, I know the WTC wasn't exactly a german institution, but most germans seem to have forgot) there was quite a great backslash in civil rights, especially regarding privacy.
For example, a few days after, the minister of inner affairs (?) Otto Schily proposed that police should have the right to know about any of your banking transactions. Also, they started the "Rasterfahndung", meaning that they would get all information about "suspect" persons - mostly muslimic students - from all kinds of sources, including their universities, power suppliers, post offices etc. Of course, some people noticed that this was unconstitutional, but well, who cares...
Another incident was some guy proposing to force ISPs to block certain sites, which some ISPs promply did (including some universities), althoug the guy proposing it did not have any authority to force it.
Even before, there's a long record of not-so-privacy-respecting incidents. One of the funnier ones was a law that tried to force ISPs to keep every piece of data their customers sent and recieved for IIRC 7 years, while of course guaranteeing confidentality when passing over this data to the police. Of course, the ISPs protested, if only because of the costs of keeping such an amount of data.
It's hard to compare the situation between two countries, scince most people just know one of them good enough, but germany if definitely not a civil rights paradise.
It's not that they want strong crypto for their citizens, but for their companies. It's the minister of economics who is a supporter of crypto and open source, while the minister of inner affairs basically tries to cut down all of the citizens democratic rights , including that of privacy.
Believe me, though there are some cool things going on here in germany (like the Bundestag getting equipped with linux servers), it's not all roses
Well, they didn't. Actually, a first beta was released, and even that is not yet mentioned on the linked page.
Which is a pity, because, having tried the alpha versions, programming with PyKDE is really, really nice. Unfortunatly it's quite a huge package, so unless Distributors ship it by default, you shouldn't expect users to be too happy it you tell them to compile it themselves.
Remember, however, that the flame-thrower layout is copyrighted by Theo de Raadt, so you have to buy it from an official distributor to support the project or use an inofficial, modified third-party flame-thrower where noone guarantees the same amout of testing and quality.
I remember that 5.0 was meant to use some of their stuff. Will this be done? If so, which features?
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No, it doesn't.
Would anyone care to explain what's going on? The Jakarta article doesn't state what exactly locks OS out (and out of what), and the linked "requirements" page, well, mentions requirements, but not how they are not met.
Proof? Of course, there cannot be one, but if you like benchmarks, compare the Great Computer Language Shootout. Though C "wins", I wouldn't exactly call it "much slower".
Wrong. For all languages I mentioned there are native compilers available. For all (AFAIK, not sure about Standard ML), there are also bytecode compilers available, for some also compilers to C.
BTW, nobody would ever be so stupid to first generate bytecode, then C out of this (At least I hope so). Oh, and assembly isn't what you compile to in the end, thats why there are assemblers.
If you talk of generating native binaries directly, you surely should try to get to know more. Here are a few:
- OCaml
- Standard ML of New Jersey
- MLton
- The Glasgow Haskell Compiler
- NHC 98
- CLisp
- CMUCL
- Stalin
I'm sure you'll find more.You mean like you can do it with Objective Caml, Standard ML, Haskell, Common Lisp, Scheme, and probably a lot of other functional languages?
Seems you need a better excuse to keep using ugly languages...