Groove, as a successful example of a secure, stylish, and well designed communication platform employing a handful of todays top [web] standards has been an inspiration to me. Congrats to the dev team, the leader of which (IIRC from back when I was looking into this software years ago) was also one of the top dogs behind Lotus Notes. I'm not a member of the target audience for Lotus Notes nor Groove, but I just had to take the demo for the latter out for a spin after reading about the technology behind it. Well executed project -- give yourselves a pat on the back (that is, if the Homland Security execs are too stiff to pat it for you)!
That's an interesting deviation from the normal point of view. Perhaps we/should/ be thinking of the internet as just another part of life, but I would find your claim that "we"/do/ to be quite wrong. Rather than exclusively following logic, the/. crowd, on this point, seems to follow whatever suits them best in the particular case, whether it aligns with logic or not.
On this point crowds might rally behind the idea that the internet is just like any other part of life; sure, since that would make forged spam mail headers fraud. That suits them. But when the discussion turns to bringing regulations existent in the non-internet world to their internet counterparts in ways that just might cost the aforementioned crowd more than the free ride they're enjoying now, the point of view seems to change. "What's that? The FCC wants to treat VoIP like landline networks?! Absurd! It's just bits over a pipe! It's the freedom from such regulations that allowed the internet to grow to what it is now...," would go a typical response-- or something like that. "What? But I'm doing _____ on the/internet/; I shouldn't be held to the same consequences as in real world," might go another response to such an issue (taxing, perhaps?). On any other day, when one of the crowd's freedoms from responsibility aren't being revoked, the crowd would be insightful enough to realize that just about anything could be generalized as "just bits over a pipe", including the less-as-obvious-since-it's-not-a-multipurpose-comp uter landline telephones they use or that the internet/is/ the real world and thusly should bare upon it's users the same responsibilities.
I'm not telling you (/.) which point of view you should hold, but I still have a point to make: stop fucking contradicting yourselves already! Please?:]
excersising futility in responding to a two-day old post, yours truly, Corey
For those who don't recognize the mentioned labels, you might be more familiar with the following artists that have been featured on them.
Afghan Whigs*
Nirvana
Amon Tobin/Cujo
Funki Porcini
Kid Koala*
The Cinematic Orchestra*
The Herbaliser
Up, Bustle & Out
Thievery Corporation
Cat Power
Dizzee Rascal
Guided by Voices
Interpol
Matmos
Mogwai
Boards of Canada
Pizzicato Five
Plone
Pole
Sleater-Kinney*
The Decemberists*
Elliot Smith*
Xiu Xiu*
For those of you who don't recognize the artists either... ouch! I suggest you take some time to sample their music, TODAY (go ahead, hop on Soulseek and download a few tracks-- nearly all of the above artists won't mind). You may find that there is a world of great music that you haven't been exposed to; I did.
P.S.: Finding it odd that WARP wasn't mentioned among the other labels, I feared that the RIAA have a hold on them. Thanks to the RIAA Radar link in a sibling post, I now know they're "RIAA-safe". Be sure to check WARP Records out, too!
Oh, and, uhh... I was too lazy to hyperlink anything. May Google and/or/. karma-whores treat you well.:)
* - I, personally, haven't yet gotten a chance to listen to a significant amount of music from this artist. They're probably on my to-do list, though.
I'm working on a dynamic site and I spit out handy debug info in HTML comments (performance profiling info and the like). Seeing as how a nearly immediate second request for the same page is highly likely to get responded to faster than the original, due to optimizations all over the infrastructure, this bug really gets to me. I've been considering using IE just to get around that when I need to.
Ahh... well, then, to exploit this learning experience I must also ask what motherboard chipsets are capable of using the mentioned processors in a dual configuration? Are there any obvious motherboard choices?
Hmm... I already decided that my next system would be dual-CPU. Can that be done with this processor? I've so far remained pretty ignorant as to the technicalities behind dual-CPU systems. Does one need an Athlon MP processor to go dual in an AMD world?
The parent post is rated as funny because it is both insightful and funny. As happens with most posts of that nature, the funny moderations just happened to overpower the insightful ones.
To those who simply can't see the funny part, the bit about encryption was supposed to be a joke. Encryption is supposed to be a transformation performed upon some input data. Rather obviously, simply overwriting the alleged input data with pseudo-random data is not encryption (not in the traditional sense, at least), since the alleged input is actually completely ignored and has no bearing on the output./deb/hdb1 won't be encrypted; it will just look like it was.
... if this were a 17-year-old instead of AOL, the FBI would be investigating.
You infer that the above are mutually exclusive. I believe what you meant to say was that "if this 17-year-old wasn't a high ranking AOL employee, the FBI would be investigating".
... for helping us all realize just how irrelevant the expiration of the said patent is.
May we all continue the push for superior and open technologies. Remember that GIF becoming royalty-free does not suddenly thrust it "back" into the position of superiority; cost is not the only factor. The royalty-free-ness of GIF alternatives like PNG were only icing on top of the cake. Consider the strengths and weaknesses of available technologies and choose what best fits.
In other [somewhat old] news: MNG support has been removed from the Mozilla source tree. One of the minor rationalizations was that GIF's patent was due to be dying soon.
Uhm... Isn't the DCMRA already taking a stand on this front?
Rather coincidentally, just the other day, at the Borders Cafe (oh yeah, I can rhyme!), I found and read an article about the DMCRA in the current issue of 2600 magazine. The article took the opinion that the DMCRA put Fair Use back into the equation and stated that it specifically makes exemptions for the cases of scientific research and other legitimate uses.
The article went on, with minimal explanation, to state that the DMCRA reestablishes the Betamax standard with regard to the digital world. Being unfamiliar the Betamax or any related standard, myself, has anyone else an explanation just what that means?
I've been sending stylesheets to MSIE (and any other browser that comes along) that would make IE appear to be broken for more than a year now. I guess the difference is that my stylesheets are perfectly valid.
See, it doesn't pay to stay up till 7 AM. I am damned tired and even bothered to write a lame FP-esque post in this state.
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Also note that I only assume that the skins are implemented via CSS stylesheets by the "web standards" comment. If they really want to support Web standards, they should at least link to the skins in their HTML as alternate stylesheets, allowing skin-aware users with UA's that provide a UI for it, to manually choose the skins (the skin changes would, until UA's get the bright idea of saving manual stylesheet selections, not be persistent across browser sessions this way, though, and thus should only be relied on for browsers that fall through their filter).
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When trying to skin Hotbot, via stylesheets, on Phoenix v0.5, Hotbot reported the following:
HotBot Skins
To choose a new skin for HotBot, you must download a browser that supports Web standards.
Read More about why this is important and what you're missing.
Download Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator.
Take a look at some of the skins you are missing...
Maybe I should switch to IE, for a more standards-conforming experience. (Do note that this mostly just humor; I'll report it to them that their UA-filter isn't aware that Phoenix is Mozilla)
UPDATE: Before sending them anything, I decided to open up Mozilla v1.2.1 and try it there. To my great surprise, it gave the same error! "Netscape Navigator" did not implicitly mean "all gecko-based browsers"; it truly mean Netscape Navigator!
Good point. Which one of us can make the claim...
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... that porn is not addictive? (that's what we call a rhetorical question. it's nature of not requiring an answer, handily, shall save my humor from replies by non-addicted pr0n-viewers) I say it's right up there with nicotine and alcohol, for an alcoholic.
And what about the false representation of lifestyle? Just like cig. ads would like you to think it's all good when your life is a smoking life, pr0n doesn't show it's viewers the gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia and herpes infections (or at least I've managed to stay away from the fetish work that does) one would be likely to get if they actually went around f&sck'ing like the monthly std-checked pr0n stars do.
Seems like Google's going down the slippery, KY-lubricated slope of morality.
... from the lack of posts. Don't you know we're oly interested in Microsoft'sfailed projects?
P.S.: Anyone else experiencing extreme sluggishness about/. today? Earlier, I've had articles loading in background tabs for more than a minute. o_o
P.S. Update (10 mins later)!: Ouch. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea, noting the above comment, to intoduce another step and try previewing before submitting. -_-
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Groove, as a successful example of a secure, stylish, and well designed communication platform employing a handful of todays top [web] standards has been an inspiration to me. Congrats to the dev team, the leader of which (IIRC from back when I was looking into this software years ago) was also one of the top dogs behind Lotus Notes. I'm not a member of the target audience for Lotus Notes nor Groove, but I just had to take the demo for the latter out for a spin after reading about the technology behind it. Well executed project -- give yourselves a pat on the back (that is, if the Homland Security execs are too stiff to pat it for you)!
That's an interesting deviation from the normal point of view. Perhaps we /should/ be thinking of the internet as just another part of life, but I would find your claim that "we" /do/ to be quite wrong. Rather than exclusively following logic, the /. crowd, on this point, seems to follow whatever suits them best in the particular case, whether it aligns with logic or not.
/internet/; I shouldn't be held to the same consequences as in real world," might go another response to such an issue (taxing, perhaps?). On any other day, when one of the crowd's freedoms from responsibility aren't being revoked, the crowd would be insightful enough to realize that just about anything could be generalized as "just bits over a pipe", including the less-as-obvious-since-it's-not-a-multipurpose-comp uter landline telephones they use or that the internet /is/ the real world and thusly should bare upon it's users the same responsibilities.
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On this point crowds might rally behind the idea that the internet is just like any other part of life; sure, since that would make forged spam mail headers fraud. That suits them. But when the discussion turns to bringing regulations existent in the non-internet world to their internet counterparts in ways that just might cost the aforementioned crowd more than the free ride they're enjoying now, the point of view seems to change. "What's that? The FCC wants to treat VoIP like landline networks?! Absurd! It's just bits over a pipe! It's the freedom from such regulations that allowed the internet to grow to what it is now...," would go a typical response-- or something like that. "What? But I'm doing _____ on the
I'm not telling you (/.) which point of view you should hold, but I still have a point to make: stop fucking contradicting yourselves already! Please?
excersising futility in responding to a two-day old post,
yours truly,
Corey
For those of you who don't recognize the artists either... ouch! I suggest you take some time to sample their music, TODAY (go ahead, hop on Soulseek and download a few tracks-- nearly all of the above artists won't mind). You may find that there is a world of great music that you haven't been exposed to; I did.
P.S.: Finding it odd that WARP wasn't mentioned among the other labels, I feared that the RIAA have a hold on them. Thanks to the RIAA Radar link in a sibling post, I now know they're "RIAA-safe". Be sure to check WARP Records out, too!
Oh, and, uhh... I was too lazy to hyperlink anything. May Google and/or /. karma-whores treat you well. :)
* - I, personally, haven't yet gotten a chance to listen to a significant amount of music from this artist. They're probably on my to-do list, though.
I'm working on a dynamic site and I spit out handy debug info in HTML comments (performance profiling info and the like). Seeing as how a nearly immediate second request for the same page is highly likely to get responded to faster than the original, due to optimizations all over the infrastructure, this bug really gets to me. I've been considering using IE just to get around that when I need to.
But what about legitimate bulk e-mail?
Ahh... well, then, to exploit this learning experience I must also ask what motherboard chipsets are capable of using the mentioned processors in a dual configuration? Are there any obvious motherboard choices?
Hmm... I already decided that my next system would be dual-CPU. Can that be done with this processor? I've so far remained pretty ignorant as to the technicalities behind dual-CPU systems. Does one need an Athlon MP processor to go dual in an AMD world?
What's Star Track?
The parent post is rated as funny because it is both insightful and funny. As happens with most posts of that nature, the funny moderations just happened to overpower the insightful ones.
/deb/hdb1 won't be encrypted; it will just look like it was.
To those who simply can't see the funny part, the bit about encryption was supposed to be a joke. Encryption is supposed to be a transformation performed upon some input data. Rather obviously, simply overwriting the alleged input data with pseudo-random data is not encryption (not in the traditional sense, at least), since the alleged input is actually completely ignored and has no bearing on the output.
You infer that the above are mutually exclusive. I believe what you meant to say was that "if this 17-year-old wasn't a high ranking AOL employee, the FBI would be investigating".
... for helping us all realize just how irrelevant the expiration of the said patent is.
May we all continue the push for superior and open technologies. Remember that GIF becoming royalty-free does not suddenly thrust it "back" into the position of superiority; cost is not the only factor. The royalty-free-ness of GIF alternatives like PNG were only icing on top of the cake. Consider the strengths and weaknesses of available technologies and choose what best fits.
In other [somewhat old] news: MNG support has been removed from the Mozilla source tree. One of the minor rationalizations was that GIF's patent was due to be dying soon.
*is willing to bet that any moderation made on the parent comment won't be right WRT to the mood of the comment*
It's like FTP, but it's SECURE!
Uhm... Isn't the DCMRA already taking a stand on this front?
Rather coincidentally, just the other day, at the Borders Cafe (oh yeah, I can rhyme!), I found and read an article about the DMCRA in the current issue of 2600 magazine. The article took the opinion that the DMCRA put Fair Use back into the equation and stated that it specifically makes exemptions for the cases of scientific research and other legitimate uses.
The article went on, with minimal explanation, to state that the DMCRA reestablishes the Betamax standard with regard to the digital world. Being unfamiliar the Betamax or any related standard, myself, has anyone else an explanation just what that means?
If they can drop automobiles possibly over people they don't even know, why can't we drop bombs on people that rub us the wrong way?
I've been sending stylesheets to MSIE (and any other browser that comes along) that would make IE appear to be broken for more than a year now. I guess the difference is that my stylesheets are perfectly valid.
Second post!
See, it doesn't pay to stay up till 7 AM. I am damned tired and even bothered to write a lame FP-esque post in this state.
Also note that I only assume that the skins are implemented via CSS stylesheets by the "web standards" comment. If they really want to support Web standards, they should at least link to the skins in their HTML as alternate stylesheets, allowing skin-aware users with UA's that provide a UI for it, to manually choose the skins (the skin changes would, until UA's get the bright idea of saving manual stylesheet selections, not be persistent across browser sessions this way, though, and thus should only be relied on for browsers that fall through their filter).
When trying to skin Hotbot, via stylesheets, on Phoenix v0.5, Hotbot reported the following:
Maybe I should switch to IE, for a more standards-conforming experience. (Do note that this mostly just humor; I'll report it to them that their UA-filter isn't aware that Phoenix is Mozilla)
UPDATE: Before sending them anything, I decided to open up Mozilla v1.2.1 and try it there. To my great surprise, it gave the same error! "Netscape Navigator" did not implicitly mean "all gecko-based browsers"; it truly mean Netscape Navigator!
... that porn is not addictive? (that's what we call a rhetorical question. it's nature of not requiring an answer, handily, shall save my humor from replies by non-addicted pr0n-viewers) I say it's right up there with nicotine and alcohol, for an alcoholic.
And what about the false representation of lifestyle? Just like cig. ads would like you to think it's all good when your life is a smoking life, pr0n doesn't show it's viewers the gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia and herpes infections (or at least I've managed to stay away from the fetish work that does) one would be likely to get if they actually went around f&sck'ing like the monthly std-checked pr0n stars do.
Seems like Google's going down the slippery, KY-lubricated slope of morality.
... from the lack of posts. Don't you know we're oly interested in Microsoft's failed projects?
P.S.: Anyone else experiencing extreme sluggishness about /. today? Earlier, I've had articles loading in background tabs for more than a minute. o_o
P.S. Update (10 mins later)!: Ouch. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea, noting the above comment, to intoduce another step and try previewing before submitting. -_-
Ok, you got me! Due to some queer time anamoly, April 1st has arrived at the end of November, right? Right? ^_^;;
I suspect another wrinkle in their collective panties.
(note: this is supposed to be funny, not insightful, but who knows)
Since when was AltaVista so ugly? Did you see the aliased new logo?
It was my favorite search engine perhaps 5 years ago, but I don't remember it being nearly as ugly.
What, oppposed to the rather probable 95% of US computers?