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Reuters: 80% of Chinese Computers Virus Infected

Alien54 writes "A rueters news report says that 80% of computers in China have been touched by a computer virus. They quote a a six-week survey conducted by the [Chinese] National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center cited in the official China Daily newspaper."

362 comments

  1. That must be why... by sbillard · · Score: 0, Informative

    That must be why the text looks like gibberish.

    1. Re:That must be why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No, that must be why people die playing games in internet cafes over there.

    2. Re:That must be why... by offpath3 · · Score: 1

      Except that the guy who died was in Korea. Get your East Asian countries straight.

  2. goldmine for software publishers by Diver777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can someone say goldmine for anti-virus makers, at least ones that can produce a chinese version of their product... but oh yeah, with the insanely high % of piracy as well, it doesn't look like anyone would buy the product legit!

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    1. Re:goldmine for software publishers by f97tosc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anti-virus software is actually more difficult to pirat than most other software.

      The idea is that you must visit the vendor's web site frequently and download the latest update.

      Tor

    2. Re:goldmine for software publishers by L33t-Geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The high percent of Piracy wouldnt matter if they made it cost $$$ (or whatever currency they use) to update virus definetions. Make them sign up and account and give them a unique #. When they update they only get the viruses that have been added since last time that # downloaded an update. Therefore if 2 people share a number then they effictivly split there protection 50/50. Yes they could get around this. But its worth a try. -Geek

    3. Re:goldmine for software publishers by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The virus rate is probably so high because all the software is black market.

      You kniw your screwed when you go to open outlook and Mr. Paperclip exclaims "FALUN GONG IS GOOD!"

    4. Re:goldmine for software publishers by drightler · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've never had a problem receiving virus updates on my pirated scanners... on my pirated OS...

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    5. Re:goldmine for software publishers by red_dragon · · Score: 1, Redundant

      When the updates are available via anonymous FTP (and at least some of them still do), it's not a huge deal. As long as you don't give your real e-mail address when prompted, that is.

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    6. Re:goldmine for software publishers by zlowry · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right...

      Like Norton Anti-Virus? I assume the hundreds of CDs that float around pirated come from China, but I could be wrong. Anyhow, I know of many many local computer OEMs that sell them with systems. They work just the same as regular copies.

    7. Re:goldmine for software publishers by f97tosc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Many responses to my original post point out that it is not hard to get a hold of pirated anti-virus software.

      But the point I tried to make was that for anti-virus software to be effective, you need frequent (daily, for corporate systems) updates from the vendor. While I don't know this for a fact, I would assume that you need a registration or an original serial number to get the latest update.

      Generally speaking, the more interaction between a vendor and a user, the more dificult it is to pirate. Where there is no interaction, like music, it is completely impossible for a company to stop pirated copies.

      Tor

    8. Re:goldmine for software publishers by scott1853 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Does McAffee still allow free access to all their software by logging with with abc:123?

    9. Re:goldmine for software publishers by JonTurner · · Score: 5, Funny

      You will soon, Mr. "I like to brag in public that I steal software." In fact, you might want to avoid answering the door for a few days, especially if 6' tall men wearing suits and sunglasses, driving a Crown Victoria with Federal license plates, show up unannounced.

      Did I mention that now would be an excellent time to wipe that hard drive and install Linux?

      Think next time, McFly!

    10. Re:goldmine for software publishers by bmwm3nut · · Score: 1

      i thought it was licensed:123 or maybe licensed:321. i know it still worked about 2 years ago which was the last time i had a windows box. i haven't bothered with virus detection since i switched to linux

    11. Re:goldmine for software publishers by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't encourage him to use Linux. I bet he'll pirate it too.

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    12. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Fembot · · Score: 1

      from my experiance pirated stuff is the most likely to have viruses when you download it.

    13. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What happens when someone needs to reformat, and get back all of the previous virus definitions?

    14. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Blkdeath · · Score: 2
      Like Norton Anti-Virus? I assume the hundreds of CDs that float around pirated come from China, but I could be wrong. Anyhow, I know of many many local computer OEMs that sell them with systems. They work just the same as regular copies.
      The key isn't the CD itself (as far as I can tell, there isn't any discernable difference between our OEM CD and a retail CD), but in the product registration/activation. When you submit your information to them for your free year of updates, they expect (hope) you'll pay for subsequent years. Problem is, you wipe it off your drive and install the next year's version and you've got yourself another free year worth of updates.
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    15. Re:goldmine for software publishers by onion_cfe · · Score: 1

      stupid enough to get the virus, stupied enough to buy the antidote, no?

    16. Re:goldmine for software publishers by JonnyElvis42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You kniw your screwed when you go to open outlook and Mr. Paperclip exclaims "FALUN GONG IS GOOD!"

      I always thought it was just if Mr. Paperclip appeared at all...

    17. Re:goldmine for software publishers by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Paperclip jokes about Office are so 90's, dude. Microsoft itself made a big thing out of ridiculing the paperclip at the Office XP launch.

    18. Re:goldmine for software publishers by ziriyab · · Score: 2
      I would assume that you need a registration or an original serial number to get the latest update

      That would make sense, right? But let me tell you, I'm as surprised as anyone that my pirated copy of norton AV continues to autoupdate and autoupgrade as if it were a legit copy.

    19. Re:goldmine for software publishers by drightler · · Score: 1

      I do run linux on most of my computers... however I really don't need a virus scanner on a linux box, it's my gaming machine i am worried about. :)

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    20. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Cs.Ender · · Score: 1

      it would seem that there is a direct relationship between the number of Microsoft products on a machine and how suceptable it is to viruses...

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    21. Re:goldmine for software publishers by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Yeah, wonderful idea. What if I had to reformat the computer and need to get the full update again? Pay for another license?

    22. Re:goldmine for software publishers by imadork · · Score: 5, Funny
      Does McAffee still allow free access to all their software by logging with with abc:123?

      Nope, not anymore. Some dumbass on Slashdot posted the backdoor, and McAfee fixed it.

    23. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why? Because the cat, dog, ugly box, and such are a great improvement?

    24. Re:goldmine for software publishers by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 1

      Just need to rear end the crown vic and they won't have time to worry about the pirate.

      (the crown vic is a safe car, just in extreme cases has a liquid containment issue. still I had to say it)

    25. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot about the big red happy fun ball!

    26. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      L.A. TIMES Saturday, September 28, 1996
      Microsoft Halts Sales of Chinese Windows 95

      By RONE TEMPEST, Times Staff Writer

      BEIJING--In a setback to its international operations, Microsoft Corp. has halted sales of its newest Chinese-language operating system across China after the government objected to anti-Communist slogans in some of the software, company executives confirmed Friday.

      The announcement came after raids by police on several computer software stores in Beijing earlier in the week. The police confiscated Windows 95 installation kits containing phrases--common in Nationalist Chinese propaganda--that describe the Chinese leadership as "Communist bandits."

      Microsoft executives said they are still investigating how the phrases made it into the version of Windows 95 marketed in mainland China, which is still governed by the Communist Party. Beginning today, Microsoft said, it will offer an upgrade on the Internet that will delete language described by Microsoft China President Duh Jia-Bin as "culturally inappropriate."

    27. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't Linux free?!?

    28. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There isn't that much of a market. Know why? It says in the article. Most of their computers arent' connected to the internet. There is no way to update the virus definitions easily.

      This is likely why the virus infection rate is so high. Because they can't keep their virus scanners updated easily (If they bother to install them in the first place), good old sneaker-net(floppies), CD's, BBS files that are infected, even with relatively old viruses, find a new happy home.

      Ironically, having the machines connected to the internet could actually result in a lower rate of infection.

    29. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Antivirus software packages developed by Chinese are now retailing at RMB 50 (about USD 6). There is now a price war among Chinese antivirus software vendors.

    30. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The virus rate is probably so high because all the software is black market.

      Yip. You are better off getting viruses from *official* sources. That way you have somebody to sue.

    31. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pirated viruses? Dammit, why can't people be honest and simply *pay* for them? I got 3 viruses for $29.95 the other day.

    32. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oo, licensed:321 works on ftp.mcafeee.com Heh. I remember there was a password that I used maybe like 6 years ago, but that wasn't it. I'd almost definitely recognize it if I heard it.

    33. Re:goldmine for software publishers by blisspix · · Score: 1

      the idea that people pirate antivirus software worries me. I know norton is a rip off, but I get the creeps wondering if a pirated version is crippled with certain virii included that infect you every time you click liveupdate...

      I actually forked out real cash for norton systemworks for my mac last week. it was actually quite painful to part with my money.

    34. Re:goldmine for software publishers by iamacat · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't know. My viruses just update themselves every time I read my e-mail.

    35. Re:goldmine for software publishers by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Whatever. There's practically a growth industry around shutting that stuff off.

      My point is that people harping about the Paperclip end up coming off like they've not used a Microsoft product in, say, about five years. Not that that's a bad thing, but your criticism starts to sound irrelevant to the unwashed, like you don't have a clue. (which isn't how to convince people)

    36. Re:goldmine for software publishers by TheRealBlueEAGLE · · Score: 1

      Do you meen like a Windows Activation scheme for AV updates? It would be possible to implement, but that would make managing a large corporate network difficult at best.

      If you implement such a scheme that meens that every computer on your network need to contact the AV registration server with their specific key. This would need to not only be unique also need to be checked against hardware. When not all computers are connected to the net due to the security concernes of (un-knowing) adminitrators and corporate leaders who thing that if they only let a few computers have access through the firewall/router or what ever they will be safe.

      When you got 200-600-1000 or more computers in a net you get to see the daunting tasks. And even then it would not be fool proof, because you could easily code an app to fake responses from your hardware. A kind of virtual machine that ran the update.

      And at the AV developers side you need a large database of registration codes, wich is quite a large task to undertake. And still it's only a matter of hours before some hacker figures out your scheme and posts a work-around to the web.

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    37. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of industries based on fixing Microsoft problems...

    38. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. Potato Head! MR. POTATO HEAD! Backdoors aren't secrets!

    39. Re:goldmine for software publishers by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      There seems to now be a whole group of industries based on fixing the problems with the Gnu Hurd.

    40. Re:goldmine for software publishers by Cs.Ender · · Score: 1

      I just bothered to run a virus scan today, and I had 157 instances of Klez, despite never having uninstalled Outlook P.S. don't bother telling me I need to use linux. I already know I do.

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  3. Thank Goodness! by norweigiantroll · · Score: 5, Funny

    That "Great Firewall Of China" does a lot of good!

    1. Re:Thank Goodness! by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yup, it's keeping all the viruses on their side.

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    2. Re:Thank Goodness! by garcia · · Score: 2

      so do those public proxies.

    3. Re:Thank Goodness! by Marco_polo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if it was named mongolians.vbs

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    4. Re:Thank Goodness! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That "Great Firewall Of China" does a lot of good!

      Yeah, except that you shouldn't trust a firewall to protect you from viruses.

      A firewall is designed to prevent unauthorized access to a network, not to stop viruses.

  4. Looks like I misread by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I read 80% of computer viruses infected. Wow that would have been odd, then I realised that I hadn't had my coffee yet.

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    1. Re:Looks like I misread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bloody hell! That was so interesting! Someone mod this guy up!

  5. In Other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    80% of China's computer run windows

    1. Re:In Other news by L33t-Geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With all the piracy in Asia on products like windows how hard would it be for one of those "bandits" to slip a virus into the installation process? Since there buying it pirated who they gonna whine to? Microsoft? LOL! If those "bandits" arent alread slipping these viruses on there illegal copies look for it to start happining soon. -Geek

    2. Re:In Other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does the other 20% of the one computer in China run? I assume it has some sort of partitioning. It's amazing that one computer can service a nation of two billion.

    3. Re:In Other news by jazman_777 · · Score: 1
      80% of China's computer run windows

      You beat me to it. I was going to say (and will, in fact, proceed to say) that Windows is just a graphical shell on a boot virus, so 80% seems a bit low.

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    4. Re:In Other news by dildatron · · Score: 5, Informative

      I suspect this happens quite a bit. From what I have heard from a guy I know down there, pirates software is as plentiful as stink on shit, and really really cheap. He also said it was definately buyer beware, cause you never know what you're gonna get. Even Microsoft has released infected CD's, imagine the piraters - they are just after the almighty dollar (or yen in this case) - they don't have near all the checks companies go through before they release a product, and they are often not "Exact" duplicates because much of the software has been cracked (and therefore edited).

      reminds me of AIDS in Africa. No end in sight.

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    5. Re:In Other news by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 2

      In other news: 20% of Chinese computers are currently being used as SPAM servers...

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    6. Re:In Other news by ch-chuck · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's now a common aspect of the Msft 'ecosystem'. Pale, sickly things, of thin blooded inbred immune diffecienty stock...

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    7. Re:In Other news by Walterk · · Score: 1

      Which means that 20% isn't!

    8. Re:In Other news by broken_bones · · Score: 3, Informative

      they are just after the almighty dollar (or yen in this case)

      It's kind of nitpicky, but in China they use the Yuan not the Yen.

      1 Yuan = 14.9331 Yen = 0.120817 USD

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    9. Re:In Other news by Dean+Sas · · Score: 1

      last i knew there were only 1 billionish people in china :)

    10. Re:In Other news by istewart · · Score: 1

      I am compelled to wonder if initiatives like Red Flag Linux to deploy free software in China (and thus cut down on rampant piracy) will result in more viruses for Linux. If there are more people using Linux, then doubtless some of the less scrupulous individuals who were writing viruses for Windows will come over and start to mess with Linux.

    11. Re:In Other news by nemesisj · · Score: 2

      More like 8 yuan (or RMB) is roughly 1 dollar.

    12. Re:In Other news by Tony-A · · Score: 2

      While hardly invulnerable, there are a couple of things about Linux that make it a much worse medium for propagating viruses than Microsoft Windows.
      Linux is intrinsically "multi-user" which means there are mechanisms and attitudes in place to protect the system from users and users from each other. Even if you trust everybody, accidents happen and it's a good idea to limit the damage.
      Linux, and more so the BSDs, have the idea that the user should actually know what is going on. Microsoft Windows wants to be smarter than the user and hides stuff from the user. You can get some idea of the effect from the latest rounds. The community may be fragmented and disorganized, but somebody notices, and if they didn't, somebody else would. The poor worm doesn't stand much of a chance.
      Dunno if it's still true, but last time I was there, Windows software could be had real cheap (complete with viruses on the CDs) while it was full price for Red Flag Linux. Probably something to do with the printed documentation.

    13. Re:In Other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And good riddance to niggers. Who says it ain't God's will?

      Good that this was modded "Flamebait". It could lead to a religious flamewar.

      Let's leave it at that it's the will of mankind and all speces on Earth to get rid of all niggers.

    14. Re:In Other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/speces/species

      Slow Down Cowboy!

      Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.

    15. Re:In Other news by Shamashmuddamiq · · Score: 1
      There's a fine line between Windows "features" and the most malicious viruses. My wife's computer locks up almost every time she opens Outlook Express. She asked me if it was a virus. I honestly said "I don't know!"

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    16. Re:In Other news by zinzarin · · Score: 1

      1 Yuan = 14.9331 Yen = 0.120817 USD

      More like 8 yuan (or RMB) is roughly 1 dollar.

      Interestingly, if 1 Yuan = 0.120817 USD, then 8 Yuan = 0.966536 USD, or approximately 1. Curious that, and it only took a simple system we call "math" to figure that one out. So in fact, that's precisely what broken_bones was saying - thanks for your contribution.

    17. Re:In Other news by dildatron · · Score: 2

      You of course are right. I was thinking Japan.

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  6. government propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    please be careful here.

    you have to be careful trusting anything you read from a totalitarian government who only use the media to advance their own political ends.

    1. Re:government propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to a free government that only uses the media to advance their own political ends.

    2. Re:government propaganda by ralphie98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe they're publishing this in order to support MORE filtering so they can "stop the virii" and have more control over their citizens. This would help them justify blocking email attachments and more ports.

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    3. Re:government propaganda by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Interesting

      [sarcasm]

      meanwhile, at cnn, abcnews, bbc, cbc, journalists are hard at work empowering you, a free man, with bias-free and editorization-free content.

      the fact that they make money doing this is just a nice bonus to the fuzzy feelings they get in their tummy from helping you feel^H^H^H^Hbe a free citizen of planet earth.

      [/sarcasm]

      to be honest, sometimes i respect an out-of-the-closet dictatorial regime over the 'dont say it out loud' vested econo/poli agendas of major media conglomerates who still have the gall to act as if they dont have any vested interest in various stories/news

      in other words, better to bias your content for a political/social goal than a purely financial one, although I appreciate that neither system ultimately serves humans on the basis of "what news is important".

      please note I'm not condoning China's political system, only somewhat envious of the transparency in so far as agendas go ..

      as a final huzzah, i believe that this article is about how many people *think* they were infected, not how many actuall were, so it wouldn't really be justification for some sort of tin-foil-hat conceived agenda.

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  7. Obligatory Microsoft Slam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess: they all run IIS?
    (Hey, that rhymes!)

    1. Re:Obligatory Microsoft Slam by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

      (Hey, that rhymes!)

      Hey, you're a poet, and weren't aware of the fact!

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    2. Re:Obligatory Microsoft Slam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean:

      "Hey, you're a poet and didn't even know it"

    3. Re:Obligatory Microsoft Slam by EugeneK · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      ha!
      ---> joke--->

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    4. Re:Obligatory Microsoft Slam by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

      Wow, that's even better than my answer! You must be a poet, too... ;-)

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    5. Re:Obligatory Microsoft Slam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that was the joke, you cunt.

  8. Incorrect by drhairston · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I must point out a factual inaccuracy in the article summary. It is not stated that 80% of Chinese computers have at one point experienced a virus infection. In fact, it is stated that over 80% of a sample group of Chinese computer users believed they had been infected with a virus. This perception is a much muddier number, considering I know many of my colleagues believe that advertising pop-up ads for casinos are actually computer viruses.

    Here is the source for my observation:

    "Only 16 percent of computer users we sampled this year reported they were free from any virus attack, while last year nearly one in three users said they suffered no computer infections," the newspaper quoted the center's chief engineer, Zhang Jian, as saying.

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    1. Re:Incorrect by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I must point out that most people have NO idea when they are infected with a virus, especially email borne ones.

      These people think that mail sent by the viruses that are being returned to them are actually others accessing their computer and emailing from it. They have no idea that they have contracted a virus at all.

      "I have a virus scanner!"

    2. Re:Incorrect by back_pages · · Score: 5, Funny
      My girlfriend's sister (citizen of Hong Kong) had a computer that was acting up. She decided it had liver cancer. I told her that computers don't have livers, she didn't care. I told her that computers don't get cancer, she didn't care. I told her that a computer virus had nothing in common with a medical virus, she didn't care. Her computer had liver cancer.

      The best part was that she took it to a repair shop where I assume the employees either played along or took her for a ride. They returned her computer a few days later and told her they gave it a liver transplant. She was very proud of that fact that she knew more about computers than I did.

    3. Re:Incorrect by dzym · · Score: 4, Informative
      Or the virus could have faked both ends of the returned mail and the returned mail itself could be the virus.

      They may not have been infected at all.

    4. Re:Incorrect by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 3, Funny
      In fact, it is stated that over 80% of a sample group of Chinese computer users believed they had been infected with a virus

      Well, since every spam message I get from that part of the world reads like a Sircam virus email, I'm not suprised that they all believe they've been exposed.

      "Engrish" as a second language, you know...

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    5. Re:Incorrect by phsolide · · Score: 5, Insightful
      over 80% of a sample group of Chinese computer users believed they had been infected with a virus

      I'll believe in this belief. Years ago, maybe 1989 or 1990, I had a conversation with an engineer at then-major aerospace company Martin Marietta. He was no dummy, but he carried the misbelief that a computer virus was something that occurred naturally, like an influenza virus, or herpes.

      In conjunction with the "if anything's wrong with my computer, it's a virus" phenomena you see every day amongst business types, an 80% belief rate isn't unlikely, even in the USA.

      I blame the Anti-Virus industry at least partially for this. Members of the AV community are so tight-lipped about viruses that they end up being almost mystical. AV people seem to believe that any real information about a virus or worm will foster further virus and/or worm writing. So they don't give out any real information (like "Using Outlook will inevitably cause you to get infected. Switch to something else"). They even seem to have helped the trend of calling any malware a "virus" because of this.

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    6. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They returned her computer a few days later and told her they gave it a liver transplant.

      Did they tell her which condemned criminal's liver they had transplanted into her computer?

    7. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I blame the Anti-Virus industry at least partially for this. Members of the AV community are so tight-lipped about viruses that they end up being almost mystical.

      Actually Symantec has tons of information about each virus and how to fight. What do you want them to do, provide the source code?

    8. Re:Incorrect by giminy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I blame the Anti-Virus industry at least partially for this. Members of the AV community are so tight-lipped about viruses that they end up being almost mystical. AV people seem to believe that any real information about a virus or worm will foster further virus and/or worm writing. So they don't give out any real information (like "Using Outlook will inevitably cause you to get infected. Switch to something else"). They even seem to have helped the trend of calling any malware a "virus" because of this.

      Maybe they just want to keep themselves in business. If everybody fled from Outlook, there would not be as strong a need for virus checking software, now would there? :).

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    9. Re:Incorrect by dildatron · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think that happens a lot in China! I go this one email, and it said that people steal your livers and you wake up in a bath full of ice without a liver! maybe they are needing them for their computers? i can forward it to you if you need it!

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    10. Re:Incorrect by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Meanwhile, somewhere in a Hong Kong bordello, there is a computer just waking up in a bathtub full of ice chips and a big crack in the side of it's case.

    11. Re:Incorrect by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      They returned her computer a few days later and told her they gave it a liver transplant.

      What a dumbshit! Real repair shops recognize the real problem was the Flux Capacitor. My local PC shop told me so. Those Chinese technicians are such greedy snakes. Thank heaven for Yankey Honesty.

    12. Re:Incorrect by Philbert+Desenex · · Score: 2
      What do you want them to do, provide the source code?

      Oh come on! There's a big difference between aiding and abetting virus writers and the totally tight-lipped and condescending platitudes that AV people give out.

      For starters they could start correcting reporters who constantly confuse "trojan horse" with "virus" with "worm". They could quit referring to Outlook viruses like Klez and SirCam and ILOVEYOU as "worms". "Worm" "virus" and "trojan" all had very specific meanings before "Melissa" came around. Now all of those terms get used interchangeably even by AV firms.

      Think this doesn't make a difference? What about if police departments confused terms like "theif" "murderer" and "parking tickets"? How would they know how many people to assign to Robbery or Homicide or Parking Enforcement? Sloppy terminology prevents people from taking appropriate action. A real worm like Code Red might not even affect Joe Dial-up running Win98 but a new "SirCam" sure would. Sloppy terminology even affects how the experts categorize threats. And the categorization does make a difference if you use it to prioritize what to work on or who to assign to a task as in the law enforcement example above.

    13. Re:Incorrect by ipjohnson · · Score: 1

      I don't know who you've been hanging out with but I've never naturally gotten herpes .....

    14. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The End of FreeBSD

      [Note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

      When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

      Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

      FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

      It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

      So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

      Discussion

      I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

      From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

      There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

      Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

      Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

      Shouts

      To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

      To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

      To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

      To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

      To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

      Future

      I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

      However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

      You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

      = Mike

      --

      To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt
    15. Re:Incorrect by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1
      Hmmm... that number is probably much MUCH lower in the US... I mean who hasn't been attacked by a virus here... I can post my httpd.errors log from my BSD box showing god knows how many attempts to run cmd.exe, whatever the current IIS vulnerability is. I am sure that my boxes are hammered on an hourly bassis by various virii, malware, spyware, etc.

      Now talk to me about successfull computer infections... Only happened once when a manager handed me a doc file infected with a damned virus... Took me 10 minutes to clean up, yell at him and get him to clean up his system...

      Oh well... time for the next sensationalist virus article...

      --
      I have mod points and I am not afraid to use them
    16. Re:Incorrect by kaphka · · Score: 2, Interesting
      So they don't give out any real information (like "Using Outlook will inevitably cause you to get infected. Switch to something else"). They even seem to have helped the trend of calling any malware a "virus" because of this.
      You have a good point, but your FUD is no better than what the AV companies are promoting.

      What the AV authorities really should be saying is simply:

      A) Keep all your software patched (MS or not), and

      B) Do not run a program if you're not sure you can trust it; if you can't handle that, just don't open any attachments that you're not expecting.

      If you follow these two rules, and there are no undiscovered exploits, I can guarantee that you will never be infected.

      Note that users can follow these simple rules without disrupting their usual email habits. On the other hand, if you tell people to "Stop using Outlook, "Never open attachments (even jpegs?)," or "Don't read email from anyone you don't know," they will probably just ignore you, and they'll be just as vulnerable as before.
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      MSK

    17. Re:Incorrect by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      I must point out a factual inaccuracy in the article summary.

      Which is why I said "believed touched by a virus", vs going with the headline and saying that they were actually currently infected.

      Of course, the Slash editors went with the rueters headline instead. Which implied "Currently Infected"

      Not that I should complain, much. ;-)

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    18. Re:Incorrect by kaphka · · Score: 1
      I can guarantee that you will never be infected
      Yikes! Make that, I can guarantee that you will never be infected by an email-borne "virus" (trojan). As far as true viruses and worms go, you're on your own.
      --

      MSK

    19. Re:Incorrect by Colin+Bayer · · Score: 1

      You mean you've never had chicken pox? Wow, you're lucky. Those things itch like crazy.

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    20. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, all of the recent address book viruses pretty much undermine your point B.

      Believe it or not, people actually expect their friends and co-workers to send them attachments. As for judging it's "trust" -- That's what anti-virus and blocking software is for (even for known safe file types, do you really "trust" that your viewer software doesn't have buffer overflows? I don't. But I don't really care either.)

    21. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a doctor, but I'm not sure you would wake up after your liver had been removed. It is pretty important.

    22. Re:Incorrect by neitzsche · · Score: 1

      Note that users can follow these simple rules without disrupting their usual email habits. On the other hand, if you tell people to "Stop using Outlook, "Never open attachments (even jpegs?)," or "Don't read email from anyone you don't know," they will probably just ignore you, and they'll be just as vulnerable as before.

      The reasons I tell people not to use Outlook are:

      1) The preview window opens e-mail FOR you
      2) It executes programs/activex objects embedded in HTML
      3) It renders e-mail in HTML format instead of text only
      4) It hides file extentions and mime types
      5) It allows attachments to display their own icons so as to impersonate a different file type

      No other mail client I've used is nearly that silly, easpecially not by default. Once they are not using Outlook, they are not as susceptible to most of the popular viruses.

      --
      "God is dead." - Frederik Nietzsche
    23. Re:Incorrect by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I don't know who you've been hanging out with but I've never naturally gotten herpes .....

      Well, I *don't* want to know the story about how you got it artificially.

    24. Re:Incorrect by CoachS · · Score: 1

      Sure there would, virus writers target Outlook because it's widely used. If Eudora was the most widely used you'd see people griping about why there are so many Eudora viruses (virii?).

      Nobody writes viruses that target e-mail products that aren't widely used because that defeats the purpose of releasing the virus -- it's a numbers game.

      Besides with the new Outlook security patches even legitimate programs have a difficult time sending automated e-mail; much less viruses.

      Maybe we should say that if everybody rented a clue and didn't open that "Britney Spears Naked!" attachment there would not be as strong a need for virus checking software, now would there? :)

      -Coach-

      --
      Perhaps the world's greatest tragedy is that ignorance is not impotence.
    25. Re:Incorrect by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      He was no dummy, but he carried the misbelief that a computer virus was something that occurred naturally, like an influenza virus, or herpes.

      Well since nobody knows the actual origin of a vast majority of viruses, you neeeeeever really know for sure. (spookey X-files music....)

    26. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, something like 75% of Earth's human population are latent carriers of a Herpes virus, and have adopted its genome into their own. Being born usually means "getting herpes naturally".

      The virus file sits there on your harddisk, you just haven't run it yet (or it's running but you have "anti virus software" that suppresses its malicious effects). I guess that's one way to explain to Joe Geek how his own damn body works. :)

    27. Re:Incorrect by kaphka · · Score: 1
      1) The preview window opens e-mail FOR you
      Not an issue unless there are other exploits. Reading email should be safe.
      2) It executes programs/activex objects embedded in HTML
      Not with the default security settings. I'm not even sure the current version will do that with any settings.
      3) It renders e-mail in HTML format instead of text only
      True, this is a problem, but it's a privacy issue, not a security issue. Opening an HTML email is as safe as visiting a strange website, which few people would have a problem with.
      4) It hides file extentions and mime types
      Not in my experience.
      5) It allows attachments to display their own icons so as to impersonate a different file type
      Not in my experience. I've always suspected that might be possible, though. Can you prove it?
      --

      MSK

    28. Re:Incorrect by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      IMO it would already be good enough if they refered to them as Windows viruses instead of "computer viruses". But that's way beyond the grasp of most journalists nowaday...

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    29. Re:Incorrect by ggeens · · Score: 1

      He was no dummy, but he carried the misbelief that a computer virus was something that occurred naturally, like an influenza virus, or herpes.

      You might like this story I got today.

      ... "if anything's wrong with my computer, it's a virus" phenomena

      True story: a while ago, my girlfriend's PC was acting strange, and she thought it was a virus infection. To me, the symptoms didn't seem like a virus. After looking around in the system settings, I figured out that the proxy server was fubar, so I disabled it, hereby solving the problem.

      --
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    30. Re:Incorrect by Xcruciate · · Score: 1

      http://www.engrish.com/

      --
      It's like "looking busy" at your employment - it's actually easier to do real work than to fake it. - bmo
    31. Re:Incorrect by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 1

      Exactly! I was thinking of this site when I posted. It does look like something the Sircam virus would spit out, doesn't it?

      --
      Murphy was an optimist.
    32. Re:Incorrect by neitzsche · · Score: 1

      I guess you and I use/have used very different versions of Outlook. Last time I used it, it obeyed the Windows default setting of "hide extentions for known filetypes" which hideously is on by default.

      I did not save any copies of the virus that I was sent, but the co-worker that clicked on the icon thought he was opening a picture of Anna Cornakova(sp?), because the icon looked like a JPG icon. (That's what he said, anyhow.)

      Regarding your third point, I simply disagree. The text content of an e-mail message is the only part that should be rendered (by design) and anything/everything else should be an attachment. That makes the e-mail completely safe, making the rest irrelevant.

      As for your first item:
      "reading e-mail should be safe"

      I can not agree with you more on that one! That is another reason why I recommend *not* using outlook!

      --
      "God is dead." - Frederik Nietzsche
  9. Filtering and viruses by TibbonZero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If China's gov't can filter so much of the content that their citizens view, you would think that they would somehow figure out how to filter viruses in email attachments and stuff (which is possible)

    Or PERHAPS, the name of the Virus is Win32.China.Is.Spying.On.Its.Citzens.Virus

    Hmm

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    1. Re:Filtering and viruses by kevlar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not likely. Blocking out websites by domain/ip is much simpler than actually scanning incoming packets for viruses. Any trained monkey can designate a website to block. However identifying a unique signature of a virus and applying that to all of China's gateways before it infects a fair # of boxes requires far more money and man power than they'd ever care to pay. Besides, lots of computer viruses written today are FROM China.

    2. Re:Filtering and viruses by TibbonZero · · Score: 2

      I dunno, at Time Warner where I used to work, we did a bit a filtering on viruses on our email server as well as some spam filtering if I remember right. I know that there were some people who did nothing but work on these servers. I could be wrong, but I think it's doable, perhaps not easily, but it's doable.

      Ya don't think that some of the viruses are to spy on the chinesse public? nah...

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      Tibbon
      tibbon.com
    3. Re:Filtering and viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's doable, yes. But that's just Time Warner, not 1 billion chinese people.
      Does anyone know exactly how the great firewall is configured? Do they run proxy servers or just filter packets at the Chinese gateways? If they filter packets at the gateway, then guess what... You're going to need a bigger firewall. The fucking thing would crumble in a heartbeat if you were to take every single e-mail transmission, assemble it, scan it, scrape it, and pass it back along, rather than saying "Source port 80 offending ip: DROP!"

      How long did you fetch coffee for assistant directors at Time Warner? Assuming you had your head out of your ass long enough to see the coffee pot.

    4. Re:Filtering and viruses by CoachS · · Score: 2

      They could block most of the e-mail borne viruses by simply filtering the e-mail and blocking a specific selection of file types. .EXE, .COM, .BAT, .PIF, .SCR, for a start...there are a couple dozen more.

      Martin Blackstone has a good list of attachments to block.

      -Coach-

      --
      Perhaps the world's greatest tragedy is that ignorance is not impotence.
  10. 10,000 lbs per acer by red5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know it's a tired argument but most of the news in china is made up.

    I just wonder what would China have to gain by saying all their computers are 0w3d? Is it the "National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center" trying to get more funding?

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    1. Re:10,000 lbs per acer by ThePlague · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they will blame Taiwan, and use it to justify a pre-emptive strike to reclaim the island.

    2. Re:10,000 lbs per acer by cpeterso · · Score: 2


      Because of this massive virus infection, the Chinese gub'mint must take complete control of its citizens computers. US gub'mint to soon follow suit because freedom-hating Iraqi virus writers are threatening our country's freedoms. To prevent our freedom, we must destroy it.

    3. Re:10,000 lbs per acer by inerte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You:
      I just wonder what would China have to gain by saying all their computers are 0w3d?

      Reuters:
      Computer viruses are small programs often sent via e-mail or hidden in other software. Once inside a computer, they can do malicious tasks like erase data or reproduce and send copies to other machines over the Internet.

      You + Reuters = The Great Firewall

      You + Reuters = Software Piracy

  11. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My computer has been touched by a virus too, doesn't mean it was there for more than a few hours. So I guess my virus free computer would fall into that 80% if I were in china.

  12. What would a Doctor do? by DSL-Admin · · Score: 0

    Hmm.... in medicine, if you had a body part that heavliy infested with a virus, you'd cut it off or segregate from the rest of the public so the infection won't spread....

    Maybe China should be disconnected from the global internet until they can learn some Internet Common Sense and get some AV-Software.. Anyone know the number to Symantec?

  13. This proves what we knew all along... by 403Forbidden · · Score: 4, Funny

    That Chinese people like opening temping attachments that promice love, porn, dancing bears, and greeting cards. O_o

    on a serious note:
    My computer has only been infected twice, both of them rare and harmless viruses. In the past year I have had zero infections... unless you are downloading every single program you can get your hands on or are opening attachments like an AOL newb viruses aren't that big of a problem. (or Kazaa users, but I won't go there. I use WinMX)

    1. Re:This proves what we knew all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That Chinese people like opening temping attachments that promice love, porn, dancing bears, and greeting cards. O_o


      Especially when they are written in English.

    2. Re:This proves what we knew all along... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      My computer has only been infected twice, both of them rare and harmless viruses.

      The worse virus I ever got was one that trolled slashdot in my name posting stupid jokes and random ascii, ruining my karma.

      Glad I fixed it, though, because it was embarrassing ###% Hitler FuckHead Donky Dong!

    3. Re:This proves what we knew all along... by Mr_Icon · · Score: 2
      My computer has only been infected twice, both of them rare and harmless viruses.

      Lucky you. I've not been infected by a virus since 1998 when I switched to Linux. However, some time ago I was looking for a job and one of the prospective employers asked me to submit my resume in MS Word format for a sysadmin position. Since I didn't own MS * and AbiWord/OO.org weren't available at the time, I asked a friend of mine to convert my resume into doc.

      Of course, he had Melissa, my resume got infected, and brought up a nice antivirus alert on the employer's machine when they tried opening the file. Sigh. They offered such nice benefits.

      Moral: Don't let your friends use MS Word!

      --
      If you open yourself to the foo, You and foo become one.
  14. Hrm by rmadmin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I take it that they haven't been using the 'Windows Update' Icon. I remember back in the day hearing of *nix boxen in the oriental that were like swiss cheese. Is this some trend with oriental people? They just don't think they need to patch stuffs up?

    1. Re:Hrm by aridhol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably has something to do with the amount of piracy. I mean, how many pirates deliberately contact the owner of the software they copied in order to pick up updates? Especially with something like Windows, where you don't know what data is being sent back to them.

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    2. Re:Hrm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word "Oriental" is considered derogratory when you aren't talking about a rug. For future reference, please use "Asian".

  15. Misleading headline by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    80% of computers in China have been touched by a computer virus

    Typical Slashdot journalism. "touched by a virus" is far different than "infected by a virus". My computer gets touched by viruses all the time, but it never actually gets infected, because I keep my apache (the only service running) up-to-date.

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    1. Re:Misleading headline by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      I believe the mean "touched" as in affected. That seems to be they way the media usually uses this term. For instance: "This tradgedy has touched the lives of many."

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    2. Re:Misleading headline by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That seems to be they way the media usually uses this term. For instance: "This tradgedy has touched the lives of many."

      Yes, or "Timmy was touched repeatedly by the Catholic priest"

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      The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
  16. Not very surprising, Language barrier plays a role by Amadaeus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not extremely surprising. Most asian computer users are still not very well versed in the English language, and that is proven in some of the email text found on virus infected emails.
    Because of the poor grasp of English, emails with attached 'cute wallpaper', 'nude pics of Brittney', and 'Figures you please review' will be opened 8 our of 10 times.
    Without a big flashing strobe light on top of monitors that would alarm when an infected email appears, most asian users will continue to open infected email without a second thought.

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  17. And thats in directly related by papasui · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    to the percentage of chineese restaurant food that's virus infected.

  18. I'm of two minds by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 2, Funny
    On the one hand, this is great traditional news for Linux. As everyone knows by now, the superior development model of the GNU Source system precludes infection by virices. So as these computers' users get fed up with crashes and unexplained data theft, they are sure to migrate to the harder-to-use but eminently-secure Linux platform in droves.

    On the other hand, this could be the start of something big. There is reason to believe that "junk DNA", which comprises about 90% of the human genome, is leftover virus DNA. How much of human evolution was driven by viral infection either indirectly or directly? Might the same happen to computers? I think it might be smart to leave China's computii infected and see if an AI evolves. Put up a firewall, of course, in case of a Predator scenario.

    1. Re:I'm of two minds by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 2
      in case of a Predator scenario

      Umm, I think you meant Species, right?

      --
      Murphy was an optimist.
    2. Re:I'm of two minds by NineNine · · Score: 1

      development model of the GNU Source system precludes infection by virices. So as these computers' users get fed up with crashes and unexplained data theft, they are sure to migrate to the harder-to-use but eminently-secure Linux platform in droves.

      This is the most blatant troll I've read in a long time, and, not to mention, complete and utter bullshit.

    3. Re:I'm of two minds by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 1
      Hey, PhysicsGenius, I wasn't trying to be rude with that post. I was trying to suggest a movie that I thought was a closer match to what you were saying.

      Sorry if it came out wrong.

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      Murphy was an optimist.
  19. what about in US? by ralphie98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It probably isn't much better here in the US. I know that where I work, before we got our network anti-virus, it was probably close to 95% of computers had been touched by a virus. The email based virii spread through the whole company in 2 weeks max.

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    1. Re:what about in US? by Peyna · · Score: 2

      What do they mean by touched? Sure I've gotten virii in e-mails, but they're never actually executed or able to infect my machine.

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      What?
    2. Re:what about in US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you, computer and virus have shared some time together, I think that qualifies as "touched".

  20. Well... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 0

    That's no problem considering illegal copies of any software (including virus scans) are readily available all over asia for $2 US.

  21. Well... by long_john_stewart_mi · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess they really do share everything then...

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  22. Solution: Open Source Anti-virus Software by ddkilzer · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Solution: Open Source Anti-virus Software by Java+Pimp · · Score: 2

      Actually, that's not a bad idea. I've considered going that route. Perhaps this would be a better question for Ask Slashdot but...

      How good is open source anti-virus software compaired to closed source products like semantec? Who supplies them with the virus signatures? In the Anti-virus community, they share information about the viruses among each other to keep one company from using it as leverage over another and from forcing consumers to have to purchase each company's product to be fully protected. Are the open source solutions part of that circle? If not, who's the lucky winner who gets to reverse engineer the virus and distribute the updates for free?

      --
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      Kull: She told me she was 19!
    2. Re:Solution: Open Source Anti-virus Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, an excellent solution. My antivirus of choice is Debian. My computer has never been bothered by a virus stil installing this wonderful product!

  23. wow by RedWolves2 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If you assume that every person in China has one computer (this is obviously not true) there would be 800 million computers infected.

  24. no speak english by DrLudicrous · · Score: 1, Troll

    Well, what do you expect when you take over a billion non-English speaking peeps and put them on an almost entirely English Internet. They must get hit by popups left and right when they go to out-of-country news sites, and the next thing you know, they are infected with spyware and/or viruses. Gotta pity those Chinamen.

  25. attacked? by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Only 16 percent of computer users we sampled this year reported they were free from any virus attack"

    My computer is attacked on a daily basis, but my computer is virus free...

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    Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
  26. Is %80 really a high number? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

    From what I have seen as a contractor, I bet 80% of the computers in the US have had a virus at one time or another.

    1. Re:Is %80 really a high number? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Is %80 really a high number? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised no one else is noticing this, I remember the days when everyone was buying those cheap shareware floppies and getting infected with at least one virus or another. Certainly ANY one who has used a PC for anything except an expensive calculator for the past 10 years has at least been the victim of a virus once.

  27. In other words... by supabeast! · · Score: 1, Redundant

    80% of Chinese computers run Windows.

  28. gives a whole new meaning to.... by qurob · · Score: 1, Funny



    Hacked by Chinese!

  29. Quote from the article... by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Computer viruses are small programs often sent via e-mail or hidden in other software. Once inside a computer, they can do malicious tasks like erase data or reproduce and send copies to other machines over the Internet.

    I find it disturbing that in the year 2002, Reuters still has to explain to people what a "computer virus" is.

    Jesus Christ. What's next, a description of the keyboard as "that typewriter thing on the desk" and the monitor as "the TV thing with all the pictures" ?

    --
    The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
    1. Re:Quote from the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's next, a description of the keyboard as "that typewriter thing on the desk"

      Crap! That is what it was called! Glad you stopped by today...

    2. Re:Quote from the article... by ohboy-sleep · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's next, a description of the keyboard as "that typewriter thing on the desk" and the monitor as "the TV thing with all the pictures"

      I do online tech-support for an internet company and unfortunately I have to do that far too often.

      Me: Hit the Escape or E-S-C key. It's at the top left corner of your keyboard.
      Cust.: I don't see it.
      Me: Are you looking at the top left corner of your keyboard?
      Cust.: Yes.
      Me: Are you looking at the top left corner of your keyboard or your screen?
      Cust.: What's the difference?
      Me: The keyboard is the typewriter thing
      Cust.: [silence]
      Me: It's where you place your fingers with all the number and letter keys.
      Cust: Oh, okay!

      Sorry, I had to vent...

    3. Re:Quote from the article... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you've never read a news article or looked at other forms of journalism before. Most types of articles are written for the public (no, not all of the public uses computers), and anything that may need explaining is typically explained. There are several reasons for this:

      - Some readers don't know what a virus is, and/or don't use computers.
      - A reader may know, but could use the reminder.
      - The writer may want to better explain the term, because it's often misused/misundrstood (see other posts in this discussion for talk about that).
      - The writer may want to define a technical term in case the term/usage changes in the future.

      None of this is limited to articles about computers or "technical" things. Most articles about the terrorist attacks in 2001 still give one paragraph of exposition. This isn't necessarly because the reader hasn't heard of it, but perhaps one of the above (or other) reasons. Don't assume, however, that because you know a term that everyone else will also.

    4. Re:Quote from the article... by User+956 · · Score: 2

      Don't assume, however, that because you know a term that everyone else will also.

      Ok, well I'm going to "drive" home now (a term for operating an "automobile", which is a common, four-"wheeled" transportation device ("wheeled", meaning it has "wheels", which are round-shaped rubber & steel objects that allow the car to move)

      On the way home, I might "stop" (a term used to describe the cessation of forward motion) for some "gasoline" (a commonly used "fuel" for "automobiles". "fuel" is what provides energy to turn the "wheels"). I also might eat a "doughnut" if I get hungry. (A doughnut is another round-shaped object, but it's much smaller than a wheel, and it is placed in one's "mouth" (the dark hole in your face that contains your teeth), where it is consumed.

      I just thought I might want to better explain my terms, because some readers may know, but could use the reminder.

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      The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
    5. Re:Quote from the article... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2

      You don't have to be a jackass. Some words are obviously known, and some (like virus) have various meanings, depending on context. For the audience of this article, the term might be unknown, and therefore explained.

    6. Re:Quote from the article... by User+956 · · Score: 2

      You don't have to be a jackass

      I'm not sure what that word means. Perhaps you could provide a definition using less esoteric language. Thanks.

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      The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
    7. Re:Quote from the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Jesus Christ. What's next, a description of the keyboard as "that typewriter thing on the desk" and the monitor as "the TV thing with all the pictures" ?

      I think a description of what "Jesus Christ" is is probably more appropriate.

  30. Nelson Munz says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Na-ha

  31. A chinese virus just sent a message to Beijing... by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 1, Redundant

    "All your computers are belong to us"

  32. Touched = Infected? by Nick+Harkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I personally have been 'touched' by many viruses (virii?) in the past, but they all got stopped by my antivirus.... i guess i would count as being in that 80%..... Touched is not the same as infected.....

  33. The FLu season by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Its widely agreed that most flu come from asia, china specifically. Indeed this is what deterimes which flu you get vaccinated for each winter: they look at china and see what they've caught in the precedding month. Some beleive the new flus arise out of livestock practices of mixing ducks, pigs and humans in close proximity creating a host (duck) where the flu mutates quickly without harming the host, a stepping stone where it adapts (pigs) which are similar to humans, and then a final host (human) that can easily deliver it to humans.

    so now we have a computer virus incubator too.

    which leads to an interesting thought. maybe some days viruses will be created by computers and breed like flu does. They will gather strenght in a compliant population (china) before emerging to the real world.

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re:The FLu season by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "some days viruses will be created by computers and breed like flu does."

      Yeah, and we used to laugh at people worried about viruses spreading via email -- until Microsoft innovated that feature for us!

  34. Oh boy. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Funny
    I don't know about you guys, but their Outlook problems do not have me worried.

    These people have robot dogs, and robot fish, and giant robots with guns for heads.

    Yeah, that's right Norton, get on the m*therfucker.

    --
    If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
    1. Re:Oh boy. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Funny


      Hahah, yeah, it's funny not to know the difference between China and Japan!

      ME SO SOLLY! ME NO RIKEY!

      Ass.

    2. Re:Oh boy. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      What, you think China doesn't have robots?

      Of course, now I'm just feeding you.

      --
      If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
  35. Further clarification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This brief but rather trenchant opinion piece on the same subject ran yesterday in Asahi Shimbun; reading it, you can see that the media in Japan (as usual) have a considerably firmer grasp on what's happening in China than the American media...

    Zuho ba: Ika sowo puzu sebe howyeka? Zokobu kafu gegu? Rude uge ge! Meyurimi wogitasesoshiki wawo oe te. Tozeyo sa? Yomanoyudami shi nigamotekaba wyiza sotawo dakokiya. Chishi iero ohena gibiepeha aka... Dezawye mizega iso kuwowoke ganido didohize... Gosu teparupahogipu wowye setachi. Zuruda ipu! Gidi moki zomobu nuwapo moe. Chinmu owyino: Wyefube niyunuwyi moka wowodihe yowa, pe shibu, hiramemi heha!

    Henu watsu: Miru pigukinu bokikekaji nabigadapanute bitsu regetsupogenuto, dibukisumafu kemosa hinekoebiwye tsunuhidesashi. Dupa gada saru zomudi wowyede, yaitara zogo! Dachiba teramatawyezoba sewye gabagu bibi.

    Popun hizeki podibuho, chirute zashiwye budi kukeki, punepechiba wyeki ara tee se. Mutere deradebo wabahi purobi... Uruko riwyi doze orowo bezu. Bozu ru zushi zarepezumaewo zoba zoto, roba budisa bepowa dakope... Ro zaya hiado sajichi watadewazepuhe. Nsudise on yapeta moho, howo ama tamana yuwyewohe yokimosawoe. Achi kamihakodebu, nobowomu warapu kepuowatsu, gogena woyoshi, yamubu hawyibepa naza zuyouki mini, mipu konoi, budufu wawobe iro shipiya ruwa. Duyowo wyepuyu dugopa benwo hiba? Oniatayuro suza rapou nokurepokumabo. Muwaso toze riwabu upaka, bapezo rozane gowogu neki. Nekokeki shisai nirapoa dubadukewyiyu! Areshi zubadoduso. Yudara ka nuni semaduzaropu moregi dagote. Kagesefusami itazu imatoso zohaba notsuda, zusutsu haru?

    Uhode agebi. Do remuto nasogotsu ginu chiwahafurigipe. Mohi natamu. Kon bakasumo tsuheo gujiwye roke miwagi, yobo tsuha.

    1. Re:Further clarification by offpath3 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Gee, that's just so funny. Howabout you actually learn something about the Japanese language before trying to fake an article in it.

    2. Re:Further clarification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that would take all day!

  36. 80% infected? Surely you jest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What with software piracy being so rampant and hard to crack down on in China, you'd think most people would have been able to get themselves a copy or ten of Norton Antivirus by now.

    Or are prOn and Windows XP the only things that people trade these days?

  37. Maybe this explains it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It says that 80% of the computers in China HAVE BEEN "touched". And here's a link that could explain why

  38. more virus makes me less happy by Vodak · · Score: 2

    With this many infected Chinese computer systems infected it's no wonder all my warez are infected. I think them Chinese people should check for computer viruses before sending me my warez =]

    it's a good thing all my illegal VHS tapes I have can't be played on my system =]

  39. Hrm.. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize computers were so sexual. I guess after all the pr0n you put on em, they're finally getting hard up.

    Once inside a computer, they can do malicious tasks like erase data or reproduce

    80% of computers in China have been touched [in the private parts] by a computer virus.

  40. "Touched by a virus" by DjMd · · Score: 1



    What!? Touched by?

    Is some refence to that show "touched by an angel"? Damn I knew the ABC-disney had strong influences, but slashdot! And we always though it would be microsoft that got us in the end!!


    --
    DJMD - The fourth man - Planetary
    1. Re:"Touched by a virus" by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Um, in what universe does Touched by an Angel have anything to do with ABC/Disney?

      --
      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
  41. Easily believeable by MxTxL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to live in Beijing... as an american there you would be astonished at the rate of piracy. We're used to maybe picking up a copy of photoshop from a buddy, or you know someone who will burn you a copy of windows.... there they sell about any commercial software product (not too long after release) on pressed CDs (with case and jacket) for about a buck in just about any open marketplace. Needless to say, there are not too many people with 'real' versions of the software running around.

    The problem with these CDs is that they have been cracked (so people can use them) by who-knows-who and frequently have other 'things' floating around on the CDs and i'm sure there huge numbers of virii that are being distributed in this way. It's really easy to picture an 80% infection rate. It's kinda like a high school computer lab where all the kids trade floppy disks and there is no anti-virus protection.... everyone has it before long.

    1. Re:Easily believeable by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I used to live in Beijing... as an american there you would be astonished at the rate of piracy.

      While in Hong Kong as a turist some aquaintences took us to a shop that specialized in pirate-ware. It had rows and rows of pirated CD's.

      Only half of them worked when I got home and tried them........um I mean whan a friend tried them. Some were truncated at the end, and others were too thin to spin properly in the drive. Masking tape helped some.

      I think in Chinese thinking, intellectual property "rights" is kind of a silly idea. It is not something tangable, and thus not protectable in philosophy. They tend not to trust banks either, because the money becomes "virtual" instead of something physical. Perhaps they have been burned by banks in the past. I don't know.

      Is Richard Stallman Chinese by chance?

      In Conton they sold phoney tiger corpses in the street. That is good because tigers are nearly extinct. Some things are good to pirate.

    2. Re:Easily believeable by natron+2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree completely. I now live in South Korea and software piracy runs rampant. You can go to any electronics market and get any type of software you want. If they don't have it they say they can get it for you. They have even gone as far as to crack PS2, GameCube, and Xbox games and sell them for a just a few dollars apiece. You can get any kinnd of media for next to nothing here, it is terrible.

    3. Re:Easily believeable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm. Then, by the same logic, antivirus would be very cheap to buy and use as well. Anything "floating" around in those CDs would be caught by anitvirus software.

      Jeez, what year did you graduate from high school? 1988?

    4. Re:Easily believeable by TonyZahn · · Score: 1
      It's kinda like a high school computer lab where all the kids trade floppy disks and there is no anti-virus protection....

      Don't they teach kids about this sort of thing in school? They should now better than to run around "swapping floppies" with multiply partners without protection! What is it with kids these days?

      This explains a lot about China though, the high virus rate and the billions of people...
      :-)

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      - sig? who is this sig of which you speak?
    5. Re:Easily believeable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "stealing" is such a biased, loaded term... how about
      "altering possession"

    6. Re:Easily believeable by bockman · · Score: 1
      'Piracy' is used to indicate two crimes (assaulting ships and copying copyright protected material) _far_ different between them, both in the modus operandi and in the level of severity. Therefore, it is an ambigous and misleading term.

      None of this applies to the word 'stealing'.

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      Ciao

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      FB

    7. Re:Easily believeable by Preposterous+Coward · · Score: 2

      except that most AV software requires a paid subscription to download the defs. When the newest nastygram starts circulating via e-mail, it won't help a lot if you have a three-year-old never-updated copy of McAfee on your system.

      --

      "Biped! Good cranial development. Evidently considerable human ancestry."
    8. Re:Easily believeable by shepd · · Score: 1

      PS2 and XBox being hacked, I know about.

      But the Game Cube? What sort of DVDs are these that fit on that tiny spindle?

      --
      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
    9. Re:Easily believeable by bLanark · · Score: 1

      While in Hong Kong as a turist some aquaintences took us to a shop that specialized in pirate-ware. It had rows and rows of pirated CD's.

      When I was in Hong Kong, I was working in one of the TV stations. Sometimes we had to xfer software via floppy. In the process of this, our clean development PCs picked up an incredible number of viruses from the existing PCs at the TV station. Every desktop PC there had at least two viruses, normally four or more. No-one was interested in cleaning them - the infection would just reappear in a week or so.

      BTW, there is (well, was, 8 years ago) a commercial area called something like "sham sui po". This was the retail centre for the PC/electronics industries. I was there when writeable CDs were just coming into fashion, most software shipped on floppy. There were several stalls where they just had a printed list of the software they had. You looked through, ordered whatever you wanted (they had EVERYTHING), came back in 20 mins and your floppies were ready. You paid per floppy. (Look on the floppy for a licence.txt file ;)

      Someone got a "super CD" with MSOffice, lots of CAD apps, and so on. Back then, you could squeeze a *lot* of apps on one CD.

      --
      Note to ACs: I won't mod you up, even if you are being funny or insightful. So take a chance! It's not real life!
    10. Re:Easily believeable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have over 1600 [slashdot.org] comments? Why Not?
      Because it's already got an appalling signal-to-noise ratio and we don't need people posting for the sake of it. You'll only encourage wankers like yourself.

    11. Re:Easily believeable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "piracy" is such a biased, loaded term...how about "disobeying digital restrictions" ?

      Just as biased... "Disobeying" is far too mild. How about "ILLEGAL copying and distribution"?

    12. Re:Easily believeable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can they get me Visual Studio .NET?

  42. Chinese math.. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only 16 percent of computer users we sampled this year reported they were free from any virus attack

    100-16 = 80%

    Must have a loose nut on the old abacus.

    1. Re:Chinese math.. by N3WBI3 · · Score: 2

      OFten times surveys have a 'not sure' catagory..

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  43. Viruses?! China uses Linux, right? by gpinzone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    80%?! I thought the majority of China is using Linux? What happened to all that press about Linux taking over Asia? I guess pirated Windows is still considered "free software."

    1. Re:Viruses?! China uses Linux, right? by 13Echo · · Score: 2

      Since "Bugbear" is a Windows virus, then that probably answers your question.

      Linux in China is a big movement that is begining to start, but it will certainly take some time to become adopted. Nobody has been *forced* to use Linux.

    2. Re:Viruses?! China uses Linux, right? by Zenki · · Score: 1

      More likely than anything, Linux is used to get MS off the backs of Chinese computer makers, ie, to avoid paying the MS tax. Sure the PC's come with Red Flag *wink* *wink*, but if the user wants, the assembler probably will just install the latest cracked version of whatever software on there.

      So when it comes time for MS to come along and do an "audit", the manufacturer probably will point to a sheet and say, "All of our computers shipped with Red Flag. Screw you and your pitiful capitalist attempts to get money from us."

    3. Re:Viruses?! China uses Linux, right? by FooBarWidget · · Score: 2

      The use of Linux only applies for some companies and part of the government. But the vast majority of "normal users" use Windows. They have to, no other operating system support Chinese input as well as Windows. And they rely on Microsoft Word docs. The situation is not much different than here.

  44. Why? by |Cozmo| · · Score: 3, Funny

    Haven't they figured out how to pirate norton antivirus?

  45. Agreed - Anyone read Chinese? by Ted_Green · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the methods used were the same as those from the last survey: http://www.antivirus-china.org.cn/

    Then the results are highly questionable. As it was an online survey. Without knowing the methods for all we know it could have been a website poll... and considering it's the National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center doing the survey then individuals completing the survey are probably more likely to be affiliated with such a site because they've *had* a virus.

    Does any one actually read Chinese so they could give us the full story? The site's homepage is here:
    http://www.antivirus-china.org.cn/

    1. Re:Agreed - Anyone read Chinese? by omega_cubed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I scanned the whole site. There's no mention of such a survey on the site. I don't actually think the survey is conducted by antivirus-china.org.cn/

      However, I did find something rather amusing:
      On the website, when ever they found a new virus appearing in China, they list a newsreport saying:

      The virus ZZZ now invades China.

      And judging by the post dates, the great firewall is actually quite nice. Moreover, they have the best vius protection/know how tutorial I've ever seen on any website, and admittedly, for a Chinese speaker, the way they describe syptoms and methods of removal for individual viruses are much more friendly then even synmantec.

      W

      --
      Engineers also speak PDE, only in a different dialect.
    2. Re:Agreed - Anyone read Chinese? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      How many Chinese computers are infected by Cowboy Neal?

    3. Re:Agreed - Anyone read Chinese? by VikingBerserker · · Score: 2, Funny

      On the other hand, the results can be *very* reliable if they follow these steps:

      1. Infect the server running the poll.

      2. Ask, "Do you run a firewall?"

      There will be a direct correlation between the percentage of people who answer "no" and the percentage of virus-infected machines.

    4. Re:Agreed - Anyone read Chinese? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it hotly anticipated as well?

  46. Most Chinese don't own the computer they use... by sssmashy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They go to internet cafes instead. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those cafes had a virus infection of 100%. Most of the cafes that are cheap enough to be affordable are unlicensed and poorly maintained.

    Earlier this year, once such cafe caught fire and 40 users died. The PRC responded by shutting down thousands of these establishments... at least for a while.

  47. reflection by Tablizer · · Score: 1, Troll

    Instead of "Hacked by Chinese", do their machines flash:

    Hacked by Comrads

    ?

  48. 4% left by PygmyTrojan · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    China Says Viruses Infect 80 Percent of Computers
    Only 16 percent of computer users we sampled this year reported they were free from any virus attack

    It's good to see CowboyNeal is gaining popularity in China.

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    Trying is the first step towards failure.

  49. Japanese xenophobia w/r/t China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mutere deradebo wabahi purobi... Uruko riwyi doze orowo bezu.

    Yeah, no surprises there. The only thing this anonymous bonehead has a "grasp" on is his own paranoid worldview. Unfortunately, that worldview is all too common in Japan. What a shame.

  50. OK, OK. Here's how to read it. by twitter · · Score: 1, Redundant
    You must be right. 80% of computer users in China were disatisfied with their computer's performance. That matches up well with performance internationaly and also with M$ percentage of computer O$. Coincidence? I don't think so.

    Is XP and DRM where you wanted to go yesterday?

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  51. Does this mean... by sirgoran · · Score: 3, Funny

    That I'll get less spam from them?

    Just wondering.

    -Goran

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    Carpe Scrotum - The only way to deal with your competition.
  52. No, he didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You idiot. Ever heard of Arnold Schwarzeneggar?

    1. Re:No, he didn't by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 2
      Hey, AC, he was talking about something harmful evolving on its own from tainted DNA. I don't know what version of Predator you watched, but the one with Arnie in it had nothing of the sort.

      Species, however, is pretty close to what he was talking about with the predator (lowercase) evolving unpredictably from bad DNA.

      --
      Murphy was an optimist.
  53. crisis and opportunity by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 4, Funny

    Articles I've read on business management repeatedly cite the fact that the Chinese word for "crisis" also means "opportunity". I wonder if the Chinese word for "computer virus" also means "really cool pirated software with unexpected features".

    --
    Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
    1. Re:crisis and opportunity by Flarelocke · · Score: 2, Informative

      IIRC, the real quote is that crisis is composed of two characters the meanings of which are danger and opportunity.

  54. Spam related? by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Knowing the amount of spam coming from there, maybe are a lot of spammers spreading virus in china. Maybe (I hope) someone think that is time to take extreme measures on spammers because of this

  55. Aware Computer Users by jukal · · Score: 2
    Only 16 percent of computer users we sampled this year reported they were free from any virus attack

    If you asked the same question in an European country or in the US, the result would be "84 percent of computer users reported 'Huh?!' when asked whether their computer had been infected by a virus during the year". The environment is naturally much more hostile there in China, with over 90% piracy rate. It is actually a small miracle that "infected computers percentage" is lower than piracy rate.

  56. works both ways? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    They returned her computer a few days later and told her they gave it a liver transplant.

    But it starts to get scary if you get sick in China, and the doctors ask which brand of harddrive you want installed in place of your appendix.

    1. Re:works both ways? by b1t+r0t · · Score: 5, Funny

      Look for increasing numbers of death sentences for PCs, with their parts immediately going for transplants into newer PCs that can afford the price.

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      "Open source is good." - Steve Jobs
      "Open source is evil." - Microsoft
    2. Re:works both ways? by Urox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But it starts to get scary if you get sick in China, and the doctors ask which brand of harddrive you want installed in place of your appendix.

      What was scary is that I stayed in a 5 star hotel, went to their "on-site" doctor, and he swabbed iodine over a bite that had been infected on my leg (andwas swollen 6 inches across) and thought that would take care of it. Fortunately, the tour guide took me to a "hospital" where the doctor there gave me antibacterial drugs to fight the infection.

      Interestingly enough to keep this on topic: you know that the chinese word for computer translates to "electric brain," right? (dian nao) I wonder what the internals are called..

      --
      "Would you rather have a playstation addicted dork wearing a star wars t-shirt?"
    3. Re:works both ways? by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough to keep this on topic: you know that the chinese word for computer translates to "electric brain," right? (dian nao) I wonder what the internals are called..

      Electric Head Cheese?

      --
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    4. Re:works both ways? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Troll

      Interestingly enough to keep this on topic: you know that the chinese word for computer translates to "electric brain," right? (dian nao) I wonder what the internals are called..

      Tell me the Chinese word for "arm pit" and "butt hole", and I will suggest a name for MS_Windows.

    5. Re:works both ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm. Maybe over there I can finally afford that Black-n-Decker dick replacement I always dreamt of

    6. Re:works both ways? by snawdjj2 · · Score: 1
      I just hope it's not an IBM 75GXP!

      ... What is that strange clicking sound? Thump... Clear... Clear... We've lost him!

    7. Re:works both ways? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      with their parts immediately going for transplants into newer PCs that can afford the price.

      and I hear their auto mechanics are required to get Hepititus-B shots.

      Perhaps they will be the first to invent "biological gel packs" like those in Trek Voyager. However, in the show they were a constant source of problems. whenever the ship went wacko, it usually involved the gel packs.

    8. Re:works both ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isnt that how the borg got started?

    9. Re:works both ways? by oliphaunt · · Score: 2
      the doctors ask which brand of harddrive you want installed in place of your appendix.


      just make sure it's not fujitsu.
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    10. Re:works both ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In English, 'computer' used to mean a person; someone who performed computations.

    11. Re:works both ways? by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 1

      Yeah there was some sad results with the ZenoGraphs of x86 cpu's in apple mobos.

    12. Re:works both ways? by bellings · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you know that the chinese word for computer translates to "electric brain," right? (dian nao) I wonder what the internals are called..

      Wow! You know, the english word for computer translates to "computer", which is a person who does arithmetic computations all day.

      And the english word for mother board translates to "mother board", which should be enough to give anyone pause about those very strange westerners...

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    13. Re:works both ways? by bellings · · Score: 3, Informative

      What was scary is that I stayed in a 5 star hotel, went to their "on-site" doctor, and he swabbed iodine over a bite that had been infected on my leg (andwas swollen 6 inches across) and thought that would take care of it.

      Dude, you want to hear something really scary? I went to an American doctor with a cold, and he gave me an antibiotic! Is that insane, or what? Those american doctors are complete and total fucktards, I think.

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  57. Touched by a Virus by Shamanin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like a new primetime soap opera...

    Tonight on Touched by a Virus, Gordon believes that he has been infected by "Millisa". Little does Gordon know that Millisa is spawning his CHILD!

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    1. Re:Touched by a Virus by User+956 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Little does Gordon know that Millisa is spawning his CHILD!

      Daemon spawning is just another ripoff of Rosemary's Baby. Does Hollywood have nothing original anymore?

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    2. Re: Touched by a Virus by Black+Parrot · · Score: 0, Troll


      > Sounds like a new primetime soap opera...

      It was a typo; he meant to say tupped by a virus. (Doesn't change your story line much, though.)

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  58. Playing Catch-Up by SniffleBear · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Their virus is multiplying as fast as they are!

    1. Re:Playing Catch-Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they kill the female virus if the computer already has more than two viruses?

  59. These numbers should drop by mao+che+minh · · Score: 0, Redundant
    These numbers should drop once Linux is adopted to a greater degree.

    Yes, mod me down for redundancy, for I did not read through the previous posts and I know that at least 20 people have said this already.

  60. Survey methodology? by Rev.LoveJoy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There is no detail about how this 'survey' was carried out.

    Try this, ask 10 computer users (users, not geeks) these two questions:

    1). Have you ever had a strange computer problem?

    2). Think it could have been a virus?

    I would lay money that you can find an 80% 'touched by a virus' rating on any group of people you like.

    Anyone familar with the social sciences and / or statistics realizes that corrolation does not equal causation. However, if you're a gov't agencey (as one reader posted previously) in need of funding, corollation = causation is a very useful tool. Even more so when you engineer the corollation part.

    This article is a waste of time.

    Cheers,
    -- RLJ

    1. Re:Survey methodology? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      While correlation does not equal causation, that doesn't anything to do with this.

      It would if they were attempting to equate a high virus rate with a high piracy rate, but as you pointed out, this study didn't prove any high rate, it proved, once again, that most computer users don't know when they are infected by a virus, so polling them about it is not useful.

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  61. I thought I read a while ago that... by Icefyre · · Score: 0

    China had posted a few articles from theonion as legitimate news. There were rumors that they were anti-science/technology in nature, which is pretty interesting. Whether they were published purposely or accidentally, it doesn't do much for their credibility in my eyes...

    --
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  62. Not now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's far from a solution.

    1) Clam AntiVirus

    Linux only. You think 80% of the machines in China that have been "touched" by a virus are running Linux? Where's your head, in your ass?*

    2) Open AntiVirus

    Even they say that it is something that even they wouldn't use in a production environment. So that's not a solution, either.

    The real solution, as I see it, that will work TODAY, is a commercial virus scanner COUPLED with an understanding of how to avoid viruses. Similar to the way people avoid HIV and AIDS, people can't just use "protection." WRT computers, they would then need to be sure that they were using the latest signatures. Even then, being careful by itself will protect you more than "protection" by itself anyday.

    1. Re:Not now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      > 1) Clam AntiVirus
      > Linux only.

      To quote the site "Clam AntiVirus works with Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, AIX, Mac OS X, Cygwin B20 on multiple architectures such as Intel, Alpha, Sparc, Cobalt MIPS boxes, PowerPC, RISC 6000. "

    2. Re: Not now. by ddkilzer · · Score: 1

      1) As someone else pointed out, it's not Linux-only, it's *NIX-only. My guess is that you could get it to run under Cygwin if you really wanted to (assuming Cygwin has POSIX thread support).

      2) I don't use OpenAntiVirus.

      3) I would hazard a guess that 99% of the virii that infect (or are infecting) China are transmitted by email. To stop an email virus, the only thing you have to do is scan all incoming and outgoing email at some point in your own network. A Linux box running your choice of SMTP software and anti-virus software works nicely for a small network. Larger networks would need more scalable solutions, obviously. (Personally, I like using a combination of postfix, amavisd-new, clamav and cyrus-imapd.)

  63. Do they know the difference? by rot26 · · Score: 2, Funny

    And the number one reported virus was:

    BRUE SCLEEN OF DEATH!

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    1. Re:Do they know the difference? by Dirtside · · Score: 3, Funny
      BRUE SCLEEN OF DEATH!
      That must be where Bruce Lee got his name!
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  64. Bug-a-Boo by SniffleBear · · Score: 1

    However, a recent worm called "Bugbear" -- which records keystrokes makes them vulnerable to hacking attacks -- appeared not to have affected many systems in China, the newspaper said.

    Apparently, only worms named "Chow Delight" and "Doggy Biscuit" were successful at invading most systems.

  65. And every single one of them... by zorgon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... is sending me spam.

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    1. Re:And every single one of them... by FooBarWidget · · Score: 2

      No, most spam are from the US or Europe, not Asia. What spammers do is using open mail relays located in Asia, but the true source is America and Europe!
      You're blaming the road. You should blame the car driver.

    2. Re:And every single one of them... by dildatron · · Score: 2

      Do you have any proof? I get a LOT of spam that is in chinese or japanese (i don't know which, i don't have those character sets loaded). Are you telling me an american sends email in chinese to a chinese relay?

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    3. Re:And every single one of them... by FooBarWidget · · Score: 2

      Well my case is just the opposite. I get almost NO spam in Chinese or Japanese. On the other hand, almost ALL of my spam is in English, German or French.

  66. Re:That's Funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. Shoulda used genuine MicroSoft products, to avoid all those Open Sores.

  67. Whoops.. referencing the * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *This is a quote from a movie. Anyone know which? :-)

  68. Dear god you are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    He means Terminator. Get it? It's a joke. Terminator. Predator. You see? Nothing in the post was factual, thus the humor in getting the wrong movie.

    You, sir, are what's wrong with Slashdot.

    1. Re:Dear god you are stupid by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 2
      Well, I'm not certain that dragging a 3rd movie into the mix is the answer, but Terminator is a lot closer than Predator to what he was talking about.

      Nothing in the post was factual, thus the humor in getting the wrong movie.

      Ya, you probably claim to be able to interpret modern art, too. See, what he was really talking about was Total Recall. I know this is true, because it has a three breasted mutant whore who came from corrupted DNA, like he was saying. ;-)

      You, sir, are what's wrong with Slashdot.

      Good line, funny actually. Why am I what's wrong with slashdot when I merely suggested a movie that more closely fit the scenario he was talking about?

      Dear god you are stupid.

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  69. Terrorism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, just outright theft of software and the ignorance that goes with stealing. I say we kill all those Chinese bastards and reduce the criminal element and surplus population in one fell swoop! Bastards.

  70. Heh hehe by Anonym1ty · · Score: 1

    They have all those 80% infected computers sending us all their spam. china.com

    What was this we heard about the Great FireWall of China not so great now is it? -- (maybe that's why thy are slowly invading Panama)

    And we wonder why they all want to move to Linux

    The chi-comms are probably blaming us capitolist Americans for ruining their party.

    This isn't so hard to believe though, think about it... how many illegal Windows installations are floating around China anyway? I mean put Windows on a computer is bad enough, but then a pirated version on top of it... that's worse, yet add the quantity of these and multiply by the ignorance factor of the users and you have a perfect virus breeding ground.

  71. Re:And this is more important.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't we just write a virus to do that?

  72. Gives new meaning to the phrase by Inoshiro · · Score: 0, Troll
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  73. Re:Aware Computer Users - nope, AntiVirus theft... by Frobnicator · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's because virus scanners are part of the pirated software. How else would 84% of the people know they had a virus?

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  74. me chineese me play joke by hex1848 · · Score: 0, Troll

    me put virus on your.. boxen?

  75. Ah cool by Ted_Green · · Score: 1

    Thanks! I was curious about that. I tried Babelfish, but could only take so much before the lag started driving me insane.

  76. Sounds good to me. by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2

    What do you bet that 80% of the 80% are also pirated copies of windows?

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  77. The Name is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reuters, man...Reuters. Spelling could use a little tuneup there.

  78. An easy fix ... by slagdogg · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is an easy problem to fix. All these people need to do is search for "Virus Protection" on Google and ... oh wait ...

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  79. I can picture it: by n9hmg · · Score: 2

    All your base are belong t...*BSOD*

  80. Re:And this is more important.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who are the fucking idiots who modded this down? Obviously we can tell who cares about their rights.

  81. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  82. Use procmail by destiney · · Score: 1


    :0
    * [Bb][Ii][Gg]5
    /dev/null

    1. Re:Use procmail by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 2
      :0
      * [Bb][Ii][Gg]5
      /dev/null
      That's easy! And who says Linux is difficult?
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  83. terms by hpavc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the terms in this article are very odd ... 'touched by a virus' and 'free from any virus attack'? i would hate to have my expensive research represented by such a summary.

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  84. Translation: by why-is-it · · Score: 2, Funny
    Does any one actually read Chinese so they could give us the full story?

    I checked the site and found the following statement:

    This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.
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  85. YET ONLY 15% OF CHINESE HOOKERS ARE VIRUS INFECTED by Subject+Line+Troll · · Score: 0, Funny
  86. new meaning by GravySkin · · Score: 0

    to hacked by Chinese.

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    "never met a Microsoft zealot"
  87. Time to transfer. by Lachrymite · · Score: 1

    Not noted, however, is that the average time to transfer one of these viruses from machine to man is 86 straight hours of gameplay, at which point the recipient will run to the nearest bathroom and die without respawning.

    1. Re:Time to transfer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      without respawning. Unless you're Buddhist.

  88. Funniest geek joke evar! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Veteran's day?"

    "Because 31(hex) == 7(dec)!"

  89. VIRUS by fedux · · Score: 1

    I heard of a virus that converted all chars into a kind of draw that made text unreadable. Wait!, it seem to afect chinesse people as well!. Wait!, it's not a virus, ... ok... forget it.

  90. And you thought the Internet == America! by Thud457 · · Score: 0

    Ha!

    Soon Engrigsh will be the universal languge!
    And you'll like it!

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    1. Re:And you thought the Internet == America! by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 2
      And you thought the Internet == America!

      No, that's not what I was getting at. I think that many people from that area of the world are exposed to a lot of broken English, because they USE broken English. So if a virus showed up in an email using broken English, they might not spot the fact that it is a virus as fast as a native English speaker would.

      I think some other posts farther down this discussion have the same general idea.

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    2. Re:And you thought the Internet == America! by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 1

      This assumes that Americans speak clear, understandable English. Considering an e-mail I got from another American, I would loudly dispute this.

      "Hi their. How R u? I lic to rite to nu peeple."

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    3. Re:And you thought the Internet == America! by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 2
      LOL Actually, the 'net is responsible for promoting errors like that. I think our overall level of literacy is declining as a result.

      Back on topic, even the person that wrote that email would have an easier time spotting a virus in broken English than I would spotting a virus in perfect Chinese....

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  91. rueters? by anarchima · · Score: 0

    And what exactly is rueters? I believe it's supposed to be "Reuters", but whatever...

  92. No, he is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with slashdot is all these people!

    (I was going to say posters but that lets teh editors[tm] off the hook!)

  93. In other news... by Zakabog · · Score: 4, Funny

    A recent study by some guy down the street reveals that over 75% of all statistics are made up. "It comes as a real shocker to me, especially since 90% of all my decision making all day is based on statistics" says one local woman. The police chief says they're getting closer to figuring out who's releasing these made up statistics. He says "Well 85% of made up statistics are things people hear on a site known as Slashdot, and are then taken as fact, and passed on slightly distorted." "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." says local resident Benjamin Disraeli.

    Well before everyone gets all ready to donate anti-virus software to china, please read the article. They don't mean 80% of all computers in china right at this moment have a virus. They're talking about 80% of the computers they sampled, they MAY have been infected (at one time). I'm sure in america the numbers pretty high too, there's just no statistics (yet). So here we go, according to ME, 90% of all computers I've ever fixed in America at one time had a virus.

    1. Re:In other news... by vonsneerderhooten · · Score: 1

      heck i hope they have a virus, then i can sell them the latest ver of nav and make even more money.

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." says local resident Benjamin Disraeli.

      Misquote? Samuel Clemens, writing as Mark Twain attributed this quote to Disraeli, but I'm not sure if it has ever attributed for certain to Disraeli.

      My favorite extension is
      There are lies, damn lies and website statistics

  94. I was touched by a virus by prockcore · · Score: 2

    I'm not supposed to tell anyone.. it told me that it should be our little secret.

  95. I thought Linux was the official OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess that's a meaningless statement from the government or something. At least, I've never even so much have had my linux machines come down with the better known worms, and in fact, I don't even know anyone personally who has either.

    No wonder M$ is so pissed about China. If 80 percent is virus infected, those systems can't be Linux.

  96. Well then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read that 80% of computer users in China are running 486DX's on Windows 3.11 so maybe thats why they're infected.

  97. Typo on the front page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess Slsahdotters cannot be bohtered to check thier front pagse for typos such as rueters.

  98. Who is? by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 1

    Are you sure people isn't giving too much credit to some of the posters?

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  99. Mod parent flamebait please by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 2

    I know americans who can get in quite a jiffy over love and pr0n too. And Brits. And Egyptians. and Chinese.

    What's the point here? Would this have been modded +4 funny if you s/Chinese/Belgian or something else?

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    1. Re:Mod parent flamebait please by 403Forbidden · · Score: 1

      I know americans who can get in quite a jiffy over love and pr0n too. And Brits. And Egyptians. and Chinese. What's the point here? Would this have been modded +4 funny if you s/Chinese/Belgian or something else? I didn't mean it to offend. Heck, Americans give out personal info to fake AOL billing sites... I mean cmon how stupid can you get.

      Everybody likes little novelties that give you viruses, but it would be wrong to give that comment in relation to Americans because that would be off the subject of the statistics of Chinese.

      Don't worry, I'll be the first to make fun of my own kind when statistics come out saying how Americans are 75% more likely to give out into to bogus sites.

  100. ObSimpsons by Dirtside · · Score: 2

    Of course! Crisi-tunity!

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  101. its a survey by asv108 · · Score: 2
    This is not a study its survey, which we should question the motives of the people collecting the data? Who commissioned the survey? How did they collect the data? The media will give ink to any statistic if it will sell regardless of its legitimacy or lack thereof.

    90% of US Women Love Bowling

    According to a study commisioned by the American Bowling Alley Owners Federation, researches found that 90% of women love bowling. Researchers came to this conclusion by randomly questioning 40 women inside a bowling alley in Scranton, PA.

  102. Virii? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least it isnt as bad as teh VD there yet.

  103. Piracy and Music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    No one seems to have any problems with the definition of piracy when in comes to computer software in Asia, where it is obviously a tremendous problem. I know people in Hong Kong that don't buy any real music, videos or software and only get pirated stuff. In fact, some don't even go to movies because they VCD is only a couple of bucks. Yet, many people seem to have problems when someone applies the word piracy to Napster, etc...

    Interesting...

  104. Re:Not very surprising, Language barrier plays a r by parliboy · · Score: 2

    I don't know that this is about a language gap. I imagine 8 out of 10 Americans will open email labeled "nude pics of Brittney" as well.

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  105. Note to self.... by iai · · Score: 2, Funny

    Become symantec virus software reseller in China...

    -i@i-

  106. Viruses and spam by Nonillion · · Score: 0

    This confirms what I have pretty much have known all along. If it's not spam comming from asia it's infected windows boxes trying to attack my webserver. My servers http and mail logs are filled with failed attempts and are getting rather large...

    linux..... the thinking mans os

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  107. Cracked PS2/Xbox/Nintendo Games? by Nazmun · · Score: 1

    There is that can be cracked in those games. It's all in hardware my friend. :)

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  108. So what? We can beat that. by clubin · · Score: 1

    What, oppposed to the rather probable 95% of US computers?

  109. Vietnam by smiggly · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was in Vietnam over the summer. Vietnam is #1 in the word for software piracy, with 94%. They cram everything they can fit onto a cd and with that comes some extra stuff you didn't even pay for...I was not surprised when I scanned five cds to find 4 of the 5 containing at least a few virii.

  110. But they still forget to tell... by distributed.karma · · Score: 1

    it's a Microsoft Windows virus, not a computer virus.

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  111. The parasites we live with by PMuse · · Score: 2

    Have computer viruses, then, become like the bacteria on our skin? -- As long as they're relatively benign and stay out of our blood streams, they can live on our skin all they want?

    Or are they more like VD? -- Make sure you have current protection with you wherever you compute, otherwise sooner or later you're gonna catch the big one with the destructive payload.

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  112. they just need McAfee Virus scan online passwords by tq_at_sju · · Score: 1

    all they need to do is get mcafee virus scan online accounts and share them, pirating where you know your getting a clean copy

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  113. Opps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opps...sorry about that, heh

  114. yeah they only display these weird characters by gelfling · · Score: 2

    I dunno but all those Chinese computers have viruses that screw up the displays - makes em all look like chicken scratch. I wonder ? Hmmmmm?

  115. NOT OFFTOPIC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not when you consider that so much software in China IS pirated. IT WAS A JOKE!

  116. Infected or exposed to? 80% isn't a high number by devleopard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article is unclear on whether or not 80% of the computers actually have viruses. Even the Slashdot post uses the word "touched", not "infected". Viruses come into contact with my computer all the time. I'd bet that at least 80% of the computers in America or Western Europe have been "touched" by a virus.

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  117. Obligatory comment: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "BEIJING (Reuters) - Viruses have infected at least 80 percent of China's computers,"

    and the other %20 run Linux.

  118. Re:YET ONLY 15% OF CHINESE HOOKERS ARE VIRUS INFEC by troLLtroLL · · Score: 0
    Wonderful troll style!

    We honor Subject Line Troll 's style with a +5 rating , the highest honor in the book of trolls !

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  119. And as they say about "China Daily"... by marhar · · Score: 4, Funny

    "a reliable source of today's date..."

  120. They buy the machines preinfected! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    With the way software is 'distributed', every new PC comes with the latest version of Windows and every program known to man both Chinese and other languages.

    When we bought some of these machines for our China offices, they even came with the latest viruses preinstalled! What service. Wipe delete and reinstall OS. Get back most of the hard drive too.

    The way most PCs are managed over there, to have a PC is to have a virus. Most people I've met seem to accept that getting a virus is normal.

    It is freaky.

  121. Someone wanted a bigger penis... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even the women want bigger penises in China!

  122. Re:Also: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AIDS is a syndrome. There are no "strains" of syndromes.

  123. Oh boy oh boy... by darekana · · Score: 1

    You're right the Chinese have SENKOUSYA! Play the senkousya battle game!! TAKE DOWN AIBO!
    http://www.hinden5.com/senkousha/wide.html

    (oh wait that's those whacky Japanese making fun of them)

  124. And in other news today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Researchers have found that over 80% of Slashdot readers have never been "touched" by a girl.

    More at 11...

  125. Also Incorrect by CoachS · · Score: 2
    Speaking of sloppy terminology...

    They could quit referring to Outlook viruses like Klez and SirCam and ILOVEYOU...

    Klez is not an "Outlook Virus" it can be executed in any Windows-based e-mail program.

    Sircam is not an "Outlook Virus" it contains it's own SMTP engine and harvests its addresses from various files (such as .HTM) on the victim's hard drive.

    VBS.LoveLetter does spread using the Outlook address book, though it can also spread via mIRC (though curiously I never hear it referred to as a "mIRC Virus").

    I absolutely agree that we should strive for accurate information.

    -Coach-

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  126. Been there, done that.... by CoachS · · Score: 1

    Happens all the time. I'll tell somebody to press the "Enter" key and they'll be scouring their screen looking for an "Enter" key.

    Today I got this call:

    USER: "My machine said it got some kind of error, what should I do?"
    ME: "What does the error say?"
    USER: "I don't know, I rebooted."
    ME: "O.K., here's what you should do. Write down the error message next time."

    Don't even get me started on right-click vs. left click.

    Thankfully out anti-virus software pushes updates out to the workstations automatically and transparently so we don't have to leave it up the these kinds of users.

    -Coach-

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  127. Does Taiwan count? by Vulturejoe · · Score: 1

    Does this apply to Taiwan too? or just Mainland China?

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  128. Article Translation. by billstewart · · Score: 1
    All their base are belong to us now. [...details omitted...]


    We set them up the bomb. [.... technical more details ...]


    They are on their way to destruction.

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  129. China and Book Copyrights in the 1970s by billstewart · · Score: 2
    It's not that they don't believe in respecting copyrights - it's that they don't worry too much about respecting foreigners' copyrights. Things have changed somewhat with trade treaties, but on the other hand, duplicating CDs and DVDs keeps getting cheaper, so it probably balanaces out.


    When I was in college in the mid-70s, a number of my fellow students from Taiwan and Hong Kong would bring pirated textbooks over with them, which typically had covers indicating they were cookbooks or written in Chinese or whatever; it reduced the attention of customs inspectors.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  130. remaining 20% were running linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure.. those machines not affected are running linux.

  131. little wonder by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0

    From the land of anarchy we should expect less??
    I'm suprised that the firgure is only 80%, I would have thought it to be near 100%..

  132. the other 20%... by chrisgagne · · Score: 2, Funny

    the other 20% are macs... ha ha ha

  133. Re:A chinese virus just sent a message to Beijing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are you gentlemen !!

  134. So by mnordstr · · Score: 1

    Are 20% of the Chinese computers running Linux?

  135. Goldmine for virus-immuned software ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2



    If you gotta talk about "Goldmine", then the pot-of-gold ought to be located with those who can provide softwares which are immuned to virus attack, or at the least, can CONTAIN the damage done by virii to a minimum.

    To this, may I suggest the various flavors of Unices - from Solaris to *BSD to Linux ?

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
  136. Paranoia by Cheese+Cracker · · Score: 1

    The Chinese people I know (both inside and outside of mainland China) don't care too much of what the government tells them. They know that a lot of what's said from government organizations etc are truths with modifications. You have to read between the lines to get the truth. My best guess is that a lot of Chinese people don't bother about the virus warnings because they don't trust their government. On the other hand, the Chinese government has brought up the Chinese into not believing what the US government says either... Just remember FBI's international Code Red warning.

    Maybe the National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center's report is part of a wider campaign into getting people ready for the upcoming Chinese Windows clone. (a guess would be that it has a lot of government sponsored spyware...) Making people aware of Microsoft's crappy software and then giving them a "fresh" alternative.

  137. Government's Responsability by tenman · · Score: 2

    I'm not in favor of the Chinese government touching anything to do with technology, and if they thought that it was time to get involved in this epidemic, they would inevitably censor even more of the web in order to stop the infection rates. This case reminds me of the South African STD problem. where the uneducated allow themselves to be infected out of ignorance. The only way that the mass of china will become aware is if the government steps in. The only thing [the government] needs to do is a media blitz of public service announcements. Educate the public, and they will start to protect themselves. I'm sure that Computer Associates (InoculateIT), Network Associates (McAfee), and Symantic (Norton AntiVirus) would love to cover the cost of such education. Most, if not all, antiviral software is subscription based. And there is nobody happier to pay for a long-term contract like a mom & pop shop that didn't know anything about viruses, and then is made aware of what they stand to lose if they don't protect themselves. Yeah, answer to this is place "protect yourself" ads in every magazine, TV, and radio that circulate there. The government controls all of the media there anyways.

    Maybe my answer is to simplistic, but education does make sense.

    Maybe My answer is to simplistic, but education does make sence.

  138. HA HA HA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, okay, you find a page on the web somewhere with a hiragana/romanji-equivalent chart. You run the chart through a Perl script to pry loose a list of romanji syllables, then you write another Perl script that generates words by glomming randomly-chosen syllables together. Since it's a syllabary, you can skip the extra 73 seconds it'd take to code vowel/consonant alternation. Punctuation and paragraph breaks are trivial.

    That's a bonehead implementation, of course. Maybe the 'a', 'e', 'i', 'o' and 'u' characters (Slashdot seems to remove five-digit character entities, sorry) only appear at the beginnings of words? I, naturally, have no idea! Perhaps I'll refer that question to Professor Markov one of these days. I won't post the output on Slashdot, though. Randomly-generated text gets real old, real quick. Once is enough.

    Obviously, no fake Japanese will ever fool somebody who actually speaks Japanese. Then again, I don't think anybody who doesn't speak Japanese was fooled, either.

    I would have been more pleased if some fool had up-modded it as "Informative", but what the hell; if it got a few laughs, that's good enough.

  139. Re:Penile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CowBoiKneel has nice lips.

  140. the "advantage" of running Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And 100% of those run Microsoft. Let the flames begin, but you know it's true...

  141. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    He who knows nothing, knows nothing.
    But he who knows he knows nothing knows something.
    And he who knows someone whose friend's wife's brother knows nothing,
    he knows something. Or something like that.

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