That if you could run but your wife/child/friend could not, you were supposed to leave them behind rather than protect them.
Find some cases where these stand your ground laws were actually used to prevent a situation like this.
I'll wait.
Republicans like to talk about how government is capable of doing nothing but making a bad situation worse, and these laws are a *perfect* example of that. This Martin/Zimmerman case is one that gun advocates should be backing off of and disavowing any association with this Zimmerman nut; they should be spinning it as an example of a lone cowboy who doesn't understand the law going vigilante and committing manslaughter (or premeditated murder, even). Instead? They can't get in line fast enough to defend the piece of shit, citing the very law that created the problem in a way that even a somewhat slow preschooler could have predicted.
If libertarianism means "no government influence except where it's needed," then how the fuck is libertarianism a useful philosophy at all? How is it even different than any other philosophy, for that matter?
Watching concealed carry/general gun nuts do backflips to defend this wannabe rent-a-cop is really entertaining. If Martin had been the armed one and shot Zimmerman in perceived self defense after being stalked around the neighborhood, would you still be singing the same tune?
Of course not -- third parties have been almost completely ignoring the Wii since day one, and any attempts to change that have been mostly incompetent.
That said, there's still plenty of good stuff available for the Wii. If I were younger and had more free time, I'd probably be disappointed that there weren't more AAA games for the system, but at this point in my life I barely have time to go through 2 or 3 games per year. I have enough of a backlog of games for the Wii sitting unopened on my shelf that I don't even need to look for stuff to play on my 360. (A.K.A. the Rock Band machine.) There will never be another piece of Sony hardware in my house, and I don't feel like I've missed anything by not having a PS3.
It's also an alpha. Also, I don't have those issues with my Touchpad running CM9. Since I primarily use it for debugging and testing on larger-screen devices, neither of those issues would really affect me much anyway, but I've seen dramatically reduced battery use while in standby over the old CM7 alphas.
That didn't put Nintendo out of business, as they don't sell the Wii at a loss, but it sure limits the upside of each sale. Sony and MS make dramatically more money per console sold, because they sell so many more games per console.
Someone doesn't follow the financials of video game companies very closely, methinks. It took Microsoft what, 8 years to post a profitable quarter with the XBox fiasco? Sony's Entertainment division is doing exactly how poorly recently?
There's more; in fact there was a report just in the last week or two that I'm having trouble finding now about overdraft history (I think in the UK) showing iPhone owners as the most irresponsible spenders. It's really not surprising though: iPhones are trendy. Irresponsible people buy trendy things they can't afford. All iPhone users aren't irresponsible, obviously, but the irresponsible ones will go for the biggest, showiest bling for their buck.
What's funny is that Apple fans want to have it both ways: they want to be the most popular, but don't want to acknowledge that being the most popular always gets you a bunch of bandwagoners on board. I don't really care how popular it is; my beef with Apple lies elsewhere. But the failure to acknowledge the 'faddiness' of iPhones is about like failing to acknowledge that the Nintendo Wii was a pretty huge fad for a while, and lots of people just bought one because everyone else was buying one.
You know how someone is using an iPhone? Because they tell you.;)
And this is exactly my experience. For as little as I use Facebook, I've never seen someone post a status update about how they just got a new Android phone, but I've seen multiple updates by different people about how they just bought an iPhone. Generally they're all look-at-me types who actually don't know crap about what they just bought and have no reasons for *why* they bought it, except that it's currently trendy.
Except none of the examples of intelligently designed species you have were designed by God. None of the other species on Earth can be proved to have been designed by God. If there is an intelligent designer, it could have just as easily been aliens or the tooth fairy. Can you prove that it wasn't aliens or the tooth fairy?
"God did it" isn't a useful answer to anything. It doesn't improve our understanding of the universe. It doesn't allow us to make predictions about the future. It has no practical applications to anything in day to day life.
You clearly have a huge emotional investment with Apple. It's going to really suck for you as they slowly slide into irrelevance again over the next decade. I suggest you take your own advice and just enjoy your life, rather than try to validate it by white-knighting for a company that doesn't give a shit about you.
If sales figures are anything to go by, the rest of the world does not.
McDonald's can also make claims about its sales figures, but that's hardly an argument for the quality of its food.
It's a good thing that "good enough for most people" has never been the limit of what we as a species have accomplished, or we'd still be living in caves and hunting with sticks and rocks.
The erosion of property/ownership rights is to be expected, given the ever-more totalitarian direction of many, if not most Western governments, the US being one of the most glaring examples, as the US started out long ago with relatively much more personal liberty.
I like how we're talking about the activities of a private corporation and somehow you turn the discussion toward how "government is bad, m'kay"?
It just doesn't stop with you. Spin, spin spin. Some of us like hardware buttons, and the minute chance of failure is no worse than the minute chance of failure of any other component on the device.
If you can find some sort of epidemic of button failure that's plaguing button-having devices (guess what! Phones used to have like a dozen buttons by *default*!) then you might have a point. Otherwise you're just spouting bullshit.
Though I do like what they've done on the Galaxy Nexus and ICS devices: zero hardware buttons, but the software buttons are located in exactly the same place as the old hardware buttons and are consistent across every application. None of this "leave it up to the developer" nonsense like iOS users suffer through.
Those stats are somewhat misleading, because they include cheap Android phones that are eating the market segment that used to be filled with 'feature phones' and even some of the dumbphone market.
'cept it doesn't really matter. There are more Android phones in the hands of users than there are iPhones. End of story. It's a failing of Apple's for completely ignoring that market segment.
Or are you insinuating that customers are somehow being hoodwinked into buying Android devices?
Ooh, now do a comparison of the Samsung Epic 4G (which also has a user replacable battery) and let us know the results!
(hint: Apple doesn't make the lightest phone. Apple doesn't make the thinnest phone. Apple doesn't make the most powerful phone. Apple does make a very solid phone, but it's not the best at *anything* except screen resolution, running iOS and having an Apple logo.)
Dude, I have plenty of (valid) criticisms of the Android OS. Do you have a *single* thing that you can criticize about Apple? You fucking spin *everything* as a positive. EVERYTHING. It's really, really sad to watch.
And I think I've corrected you personally on this before, but solving the paradox of choice is beneficial to sellers, and not buyers. It helps them sell you more shit. Having less choice is never a positive thing for the buyer.
The only reason why anyone would be against a tablet is if they really don't get it.
I'm not 'against' tablets; that's absurd. They're handy to have around, and I picked one up to test app development on. Now that I have one, I've found uses for it.
That said, the total value of those uses doesn't even come *close* to the cost of a decent tablet. At a $200 price point, sure, tablets would make an awesome toy for someone that might even get some real use from time to time. At $500 or more? They're an overpriced shiny for people who just can't get away from Facebook and the web for 15 minutes. Apple loves to advertise about how smart people's iPads will make them, with all of those fantastic learning experience apps (... that could be used on a PC or laptop just as easily...) but the image they're projecting doesn't match reality.
Also, I call bullshit on your 'touch typing' on an iPad. The whole point of touch typing is that you can feel the keys. You can't feel keys on a touchscreen; if your hands get shifted 3mm to one side, good luck reorienting them without looking. Not to mention that the keyboad covers half your screen whenever typing on it.
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This kind of hyperbole does nothing to help the discussion.
--Jeremy
That if you could run but your wife/child/friend could not, you were supposed to leave them behind rather than protect them.
Find some cases where these stand your ground laws were actually used to prevent a situation like this.
I'll wait.
Republicans like to talk about how government is capable of doing nothing but making a bad situation worse, and these laws are a *perfect* example of that. This Martin/Zimmerman case is one that gun advocates should be backing off of and disavowing any association with this Zimmerman nut; they should be spinning it as an example of a lone cowboy who doesn't understand the law going vigilante and committing manslaughter (or premeditated murder, even). Instead? They can't get in line fast enough to defend the piece of shit, citing the very law that created the problem in a way that even a somewhat slow preschooler could have predicted.
--Jeremy
If libertarianism means "no government influence except where it's needed," then how the fuck is libertarianism a useful philosophy at all? How is it even different than any other philosophy, for that matter?
--Jeremy
Of course he started it. He was in a place where he shouldn't have been, therefore it was entirely Martin's fault.
Correct, apologists?
--Jeremy
Watching concealed carry/general gun nuts do backflips to defend this wannabe rent-a-cop is really entertaining. If Martin had been the armed one and shot Zimmerman in perceived self defense after being stalked around the neighborhood, would you still be singing the same tune?
--Jeremy
Recent stories of faked data [slashdot.org] in other fields don't help.
If conservatives are so skeptical of faked data, then please explain the blind adherence to their religious texts.
There are real skeptics, and then there's denialism, and there's very little real skepticism coming from the conservative movement in the US.
--Jeremy
I don't think Reality has a "liberal bias". More like "liberals" are more willing to use science as a means of "validating" their positions.
You say "more willing" as if this is some sort of questionable thing. Science and reason are the *only* valid ways of justifying one's positions.
--Jeremy
especially not third-party games
Of course not -- third parties have been almost completely ignoring the Wii since day one, and any attempts to change that have been mostly incompetent.
That said, there's still plenty of good stuff available for the Wii. If I were younger and had more free time, I'd probably be disappointed that there weren't more AAA games for the system, but at this point in my life I barely have time to go through 2 or 3 games per year. I have enough of a backlog of games for the Wii sitting unopened on my shelf that I don't even need to look for stuff to play on my 360. (A.K.A. the Rock Band machine.) There will never be another piece of Sony hardware in my house, and I don't feel like I've missed anything by not having a PS3.
--Jeremy
It's also an alpha. Also, I don't have those issues with my Touchpad running CM9. Since I primarily use it for debugging and testing on larger-screen devices, neither of those issues would really affect me much anyway, but I've seen dramatically reduced battery use while in standby over the old CM7 alphas.
--Jeremy
That didn't put Nintendo out of business, as they don't sell the Wii at a loss, but it sure limits the upside of each sale. Sony and MS make dramatically more money per console sold, because they sell so many more games per console.
Someone doesn't follow the financials of video game companies very closely, methinks. It took Microsoft what, 8 years to post a profitable quarter with the XBox fiasco? Sony's Entertainment division is doing exactly how poorly recently?
--Jeremy
Here are some links. Overall debt.
Here
And here
Overdraft statistics:
Here
There's more; in fact there was a report just in the last week or two that I'm having trouble finding now about overdraft history (I think in the UK) showing iPhone owners as the most irresponsible spenders. It's really not surprising though: iPhones are trendy. Irresponsible people buy trendy things they can't afford. All iPhone users aren't irresponsible, obviously, but the irresponsible ones will go for the biggest, showiest bling for their buck.
What's funny is that Apple fans want to have it both ways: they want to be the most popular, but don't want to acknowledge that being the most popular always gets you a bunch of bandwagoners on board. I don't really care how popular it is; my beef with Apple lies elsewhere. But the failure to acknowledge the 'faddiness' of iPhones is about like failing to acknowledge that the Nintendo Wii was a pretty huge fad for a while, and lots of people just bought one because everyone else was buying one.
--Jeremy
You know how someone is using an iPhone? Because they tell you. ;)
And this is exactly my experience. For as little as I use Facebook, I've never seen someone post a status update about how they just got a new Android phone, but I've seen multiple updates by different people about how they just bought an iPhone. Generally they're all look-at-me types who actually don't know crap about what they just bought and have no reasons for *why* they bought it, except that it's currently trendy.
--Jeremy
Except none of the examples of intelligently designed species you have were designed by God. None of the other species on Earth can be proved to have been designed by God. If there is an intelligent designer, it could have just as easily been aliens or the tooth fairy. Can you prove that it wasn't aliens or the tooth fairy?
"God did it" isn't a useful answer to anything. It doesn't improve our understanding of the universe. It doesn't allow us to make predictions about the future. It has no practical applications to anything in day to day life.
--Jeremy
Those weren't children. End of discussion.
--Jeremy
Ahh, the old "lots of people are ok with it so you should just STFU about it too" argument.
--Jeremy
The first iPod *was* lame, and the sales flopped.
You clearly have a huge emotional investment with Apple. It's going to really suck for you as they slowly slide into irrelevance again over the next decade. I suggest you take your own advice and just enjoy your life, rather than try to validate it by white-knighting for a company that doesn't give a shit about you.
--Jeremy
If that really helps you sleep at night, whatever. Apple invented *everything*.
--Jeremy
If sales figures are anything to go by, the rest of the world does not.
McDonald's can also make claims about its sales figures, but that's hardly an argument for the quality of its food.
It's a good thing that "good enough for most people" has never been the limit of what we as a species have accomplished, or we'd still be living in caves and hunting with sticks and rocks.
--Jeremy
The erosion of property/ownership rights is to be expected, given the ever-more totalitarian direction of many, if not most Western governments, the US being one of the most glaring examples, as the US started out long ago with relatively much more personal liberty.
I like how we're talking about the activities of a private corporation and somehow you turn the discussion toward how "government is bad, m'kay"?
--Jeremy
It just doesn't stop with you. Spin, spin spin. Some of us like hardware buttons, and the minute chance of failure is no worse than the minute chance of failure of any other component on the device.
If you can find some sort of epidemic of button failure that's plaguing button-having devices (guess what! Phones used to have like a dozen buttons by *default*!) then you might have a point. Otherwise you're just spouting bullshit.
Though I do like what they've done on the Galaxy Nexus and ICS devices: zero hardware buttons, but the software buttons are located in exactly the same place as the old hardware buttons and are consistent across every application. None of this "leave it up to the developer" nonsense like iOS users suffer through.
--Jeremy
You think a refrigerator or washing machine is hard to fix?
Hand in you man card right now.
Learned helplessness. It's a *feature*.
--Jeremy
Those stats are somewhat misleading, because they include cheap Android phones that are eating the market segment that used to be filled with 'feature phones' and even some of the dumbphone market.
'cept it doesn't really matter. There are more Android phones in the hands of users than there are iPhones. End of story. It's a failing of Apple's for completely ignoring that market segment.
Or are you insinuating that customers are somehow being hoodwinked into buying Android devices?
--Jeremy
Ooh, now do a comparison of the Samsung Epic 4G (which also has a user replacable battery) and let us know the results!
(hint: Apple doesn't make the lightest phone. Apple doesn't make the thinnest phone. Apple doesn't make the most powerful phone. Apple does make a very solid phone, but it's not the best at *anything* except screen resolution, running iOS and having an Apple logo.)
--Jeremy
Dude, I have plenty of (valid) criticisms of the Android OS. Do you have a *single* thing that you can criticize about Apple? You fucking spin *everything* as a positive. EVERYTHING. It's really, really sad to watch.
And I think I've corrected you personally on this before, but solving the paradox of choice is beneficial to sellers, and not buyers. It helps them sell you more shit. Having less choice is never a positive thing for the buyer.
--Jeremy
The only reason why anyone would be against a tablet is if they really don't get it.
I'm not 'against' tablets; that's absurd. They're handy to have around, and I picked one up to test app development on. Now that I have one, I've found uses for it.
That said, the total value of those uses doesn't even come *close* to the cost of a decent tablet. At a $200 price point, sure, tablets would make an awesome toy for someone that might even get some real use from time to time. At $500 or more? They're an overpriced shiny for people who just can't get away from Facebook and the web for 15 minutes. Apple loves to advertise about how smart people's iPads will make them, with all of those fantastic learning experience apps (... that could be used on a PC or laptop just as easily ...) but the image they're projecting doesn't match reality.
Also, I call bullshit on your 'touch typing' on an iPad. The whole point of touch typing is that you can feel the keys. You can't feel keys on a touchscreen; if your hands get shifted 3mm to one side, good luck reorienting them without looking. Not to mention that the keyboad covers half your screen whenever typing on it.
--Jeremy