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haha, very funny. Just kidding. Please mod down for NOT FUNNY. Or redundant, I'm sure that's been used already. And mod my post down as overrated too, I don't deserve the bonus karma I'm going to give myself when I hit Submit.
How can they tell if you are using MSN 6.0, unless you are using MSN 5.0? What I mean is, if I make my own client, I can have it appear to be 6.0, like browsers like Opera do.
It (again, _almost_) doesn't matter how open OOo is, if no one else can read the files! If I have to hire a programmer to write a reader, then I may as well just stay with MS office.
Why do you need a reader? Are people sending you OOo files by email but you don't have OOo installed?
Sorry there's a different between proprietary and supported. Why would any of those six or seven other apps you are referring to want to support OOo? MS is winning the war, and all the others are just vying for a piece of the market. Companies that make Palm-Office software or PocketPC software are obviously too tied up in MS and licensing to be able to support OOo right now. It's a bit of a chicken-and-the-egg problem though...so it will take some time.
WTF? You're missing the point. Non-proprietary means that it's an open-standard, and so anyone can write a program to read-write in that file format. Compare that to Word, where people have had to hack it to figure out the file format.
Nothing can read them because nobody has written software to do this yet! Not because they can't! OOo has such a small market share right now, there's no point in anyone creating coversion filters yet. If it ever had a larger market share than MS Office, MS would be forced to support the format, in order to increase market share. Or they'd be silly not to.
I like how they call the old 1.0.3.1 a "legacy" build. What a turn-off. Why didn't they call it stable, and the new one unstable, in good ol' Debian style.
OO needs much stronger mailmerge capabilities. Then it will be awesome from the secretarial point of view. Until then they would rather die than give up MS Office.
Have you tried OOo mailmerging, using data sources? I thought it was awesome. I just used a tutorial I found on Openoffice.org (it's slashdotted right now) and I was up and running in no time. I was doing a wedding invitations merge from a CSV file of invitees. I just dragged the fields into my document, created some conditionals, and merged it into a 49 page PDF file ready for printing.
Great, now everyone and their dog will be applying to ATI now that they have received free advertising on Slashdot. They are one of the few places that are hiring. I'll never get a job there now. Bastards.
Yeah KDE 2.2 is in testing and KDE 3.1.2 is in unstable. I'm not sure what your problem is with installing KDE 3.1.2 but I'd like to help. It is pretty easy, at least, I was running a testing system and I upgraded to OpenOffice as well as KDE 3.1 which are both in sid with no problems. email me at david.grant@telus.net and maybe I can try to help, or check out http://www.debianhelp.org where we solve problems like this all the time. Submit the output of apt-get which is causing you problems.
I admit, apt-get can be finicky when using a mixed testing/sid system, but if you know what you are doing it will do what you want it to do.
I used to think I was in heaven with Mandrake because it satisfied my need for recent software "out of the box" as you say. I bought 8.0 ISOs online from chguy (computer helper guy). Then I downloaded 8.1 ISOs and burned them. Then I bought 8.2 ISOs online from CheapBytes. This was:
1) Expensive
2) Lots of download time
So you're in the same boat with Mandrake, you have to download ISOs, or buy them regularly. The main difference with apt-get is that you'll never have to do a clean install again. Just run testing/sarge, and apt-get -u upgrade every night or every week and the system is always current, yet still stable.
When you say: You can add apt repositories todebian, but that is something I'd rather not do., I'm not sure why this is a big deal. Just look at apt-get.org and find a repository with whatever you need, add it to your sources.list file and then apt-get it. I did this for OpenOffice and KDE 3 long before they were in the Debian unstable/sid, and it works great. I also use this for the mplayer packages.
BTW, if getting KDE 3.1 over FTP is such a problem, how would you do this with Mandrake? You have the same issue.
No, they didn't change ONCE. They changed a couple of times. When KDE 3 came out they created packages for them, although these weren't official, lots of people used them. They switched the location a few times which angered me as well as some other people, before they decided on the new location. Actually what they really did was just used a different location for the cooker packages. This was one of the main reasons I left Mandrake and went to Debian.
And the libpng3 thing was really annoying too. They should have just kept libpng2 around as well, instead of making it deprecated. This was the second main reason I left Mandrake and went to Debian. Because of the libpng3 problem I was forced to clean upgrade to 8.2 or switch to Debian.
Please give an example of why Debian is "good for servers" by providing a counter-example of why it isn't good for the desktop. I have KDE 3.1.2 in Debian right now and I more happy than I was with Mandrake. At least Debian doesn't keep moving it around from/opt/kde3 to/usr like Mandrake did in the 8.1 days....
It is not outdated. Just look at Debian sid/unstable, or even Debian testing/sarge. Debian unstable had KDE 3.1.2 almost as soon as it came out. And the upgrades always work flawlessly thanks to debian packaging system. The advantages of the debian packaging system is not just apt-get. In fact apt-get is just a front end for dselect which is in turn a front end for dpkg (I think this is the hierachy). The Debian policy coupled with lintian-checks leads to very good packages. And way packages move from unstable to testing to stable ensures that crappy packages never make it to stable and packages with release critical bugs never make it to testing.
I'm sorry I haven't used Gentoo. Although the one thing I know that's great about it is that is has full support for i686, k7, etc... Debian still does not have binaries for anything better than i386 which is somewhat of a drawback. But there is some work towards making this happen. As far as I know, don't binaries have to be compiled for a Gentoo system by the user? This would be a big inconvenience and time-waster.
The fact that you say the standard kernel is 2.2 for Debian shows that you have probably never touched Debian in your life. The standard kernel is not 2.2. Debian comes with a 2.2 and 2.4-18 kernel. The 2.4.18 kernel can be used by typing bf24 at the boot prompt of the installer. This is clearly written in the help section of the installer after booting up the installer. So, you could say that 2.2 is the "default". However it is so easy to use 2.4 instead. I have installed Debian woody countless times and never have I used 2.2.
As for the installer, it is not "incomplete" as you say, and I'd like you to back up that statement with an example. Sure it doesn't have autodetection for a lot of things. But that doesn't matter. Don't select any modules for installation and then when the system is booted for the first time, just run "modconf" and install whatever modules you need once you find out your exact hardware. There are some autodetection packages you can install, although I've never needed them. It usually pays to know exactly what kind of hardware you have, even if you are running Redhat or Mandrake or whatever. I always found adding a new piece of hardware difficult in Mandrake. Debian is easy. Just use modconf.
I'm not sure why you say Mandrake is good for newbies. Newbies usually convert from Windows, hence, they usually want the newest software possible. Having the newest software possbile eventually involves downloading new ISOs every 4 months and installing a new version of Mandrake. Clean installs are better, so you'd have to delete your previous install. I once tried to upgrade from MDK 8.1 to 8.2 and had horrible libpng3 problems when trying to upgrade one RPM at a time. So I had to do a clean install. I've tried urpmi, and it just doesn't work that well. Maybe in 5 years it will be perfected.
With debian just "apt-get update" then "apt-get -u upgrade". Don't want to make a sources.list file? Just use netselect to create one for you. Don't like woody/stable? Change your default distribution in/etc/apt/apt.conf to testing/sarge or unstable/sid. Then "apt-get -u upgrade" or "apt-get -u dist-upgrade".
I'm sorry but Debian is not middle of the road. It covers the entire road from newbie to power user.
How can counting the number of silicon atoms in a perfectly spherical crystal of silicon be exact? First of all, how can you make a perfect sphere of silicon. If there want to do it this way wouldn't it make sense to use something inherently spherical like a Buckeyball?
And why is this sample in France deteriorating anyways? Don't they keep it in a vacuum (purged periodically with Helium)?
Yeah I noticed that too. It's crazy. Just wait until it gets turned on... and the current will start to flow from source to drain. Just don't turn it on too high, or it will blow.
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I'm not on there! My username is kazaalite@Kazaa. Haha, RIAA suckers!
Hey everyone, vote for this bug: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18808 and this bug, http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22788, the most annoying bugs in Mozilla
haha, very funny. Just kidding. Please mod down for NOT FUNNY. Or redundant, I'm sure that's been used already. And mod my post down as overrated too, I don't deserve the bonus karma I'm going to give myself when I hit Submit.
No, that was never fully decided upon. The roadmap is a joke. ahem, I mean it's not exactly accurate.
tell me about it... I thought Firebird and Thunderbird was supposed to be integrated into 1.5a. That sucks. I guess we'll have to wait until 1.6.
How can they tell if you are using MSN 6.0, unless you are using MSN 5.0? What I mean is, if I make my own client, I can have it appear to be 6.0, like browsers like Opera do.
Why do you need a reader? Are people sending you OOo files by email but you don't have OOo installed?
Oops, that should say unsupported, not supported
Sorry there's a different between proprietary and supported. Why would any of those six or seven other apps you are referring to want to support OOo? MS is winning the war, and all the others are just vying for a piece of the market. Companies that make Palm-Office software or PocketPC software are obviously too tied up in MS and licensing to be able to support OOo right now. It's a bit of a chicken-and-the-egg problem though...so it will take some time.
Nothing can read them because nobody has written software to do this yet! Not because they can't! OOo has such a small market share right now, there's no point in anyone creating coversion filters yet. If it ever had a larger market share than MS Office, MS would be forced to support the format, in order to increase market share. Or they'd be silly not to.
I like how they call the old 1.0.3.1 a "legacy" build. What a turn-off. Why didn't they call it stable, and the new one unstable, in good ol' Debian style.
Have you tried OOo mailmerging, using data sources? I thought it was awesome. I just used a tutorial I found on Openoffice.org (it's slashdotted right now) and I was up and running in no time. I was doing a wedding invitations merge from a CSV file of invitees. I just dragged the fields into my document, created some conditionals, and merged it into a 49 page PDF file ready for printing.
It's not proprietary AFAIK.
Great, now everyone and their dog will be applying to ATI now that they have received free advertising on Slashdot. They are one of the few places that are hiring. I'll never get a job there now. Bastards.
How did my comment get modded up to +5? Unbelievable. I'm going to see if this comment gets modded up now...
Long live Kazaa! Free music and software for all!
I admit, apt-get can be finicky when using a mixed testing/sid system, but if you know what you are doing it will do what you want it to do.
1) Expensive
2) Lots of download time
So you're in the same boat with Mandrake, you have to download ISOs, or buy them regularly. The main difference with apt-get is that you'll never have to do a clean install again. Just run testing/sarge, and apt-get -u upgrade every night or every week and the system is always current, yet still stable.
When you say: You can add apt repositories todebian, but that is something I'd rather not do., I'm not sure why this is a big deal. Just look at apt-get.org and find a repository with whatever you need, add it to your sources.list file and then apt-get it. I did this for OpenOffice and KDE 3 long before they were in the Debian unstable/sid, and it works great. I also use this for the mplayer packages.
BTW, if getting KDE 3.1 over FTP is such a problem, how would you do this with Mandrake? You have the same issue.
And the libpng3 thing was really annoying too. They should have just kept libpng2 around as well, instead of making it deprecated. This was the second main reason I left Mandrake and went to Debian. Because of the libpng3 problem I was forced to clean upgrade to 8.2 or switch to Debian.
Mandrake spins their own modified kernel. Maybe they decided to add the 21 to it this time. I think they used to do something like 2.4.15-21mdk
Corretion... apt-get is a wet d r e a m
p.s. urpmi licks balls
Please give an example of why Debian is "good for servers" by providing a counter-example of why it isn't good for the desktop. I have KDE 3.1.2 in Debian right now and I more happy than I was with Mandrake. At least Debian doesn't keep moving it around from /opt/kde3 to /usr like Mandrake did in the 8.1 days....
I'm sorry I haven't used Gentoo. Although the one thing I know that's great about it is that is has full support for i686, k7, etc... Debian still does not have binaries for anything better than i386 which is somewhat of a drawback. But there is some work towards making this happen. As far as I know, don't binaries have to be compiled for a Gentoo system by the user? This would be a big inconvenience and time-waster.
The fact that you say the standard kernel is 2.2 for Debian shows that you have probably never touched Debian in your life. The standard kernel is not 2.2. Debian comes with a 2.2 and 2.4-18 kernel. The 2.4.18 kernel can be used by typing bf24 at the boot prompt of the installer. This is clearly written in the help section of the installer after booting up the installer. So, you could say that 2.2 is the "default". However it is so easy to use 2.4 instead. I have installed Debian woody countless times and never have I used 2.2.
As for the installer, it is not "incomplete" as you say, and I'd like you to back up that statement with an example. Sure it doesn't have autodetection for a lot of things. But that doesn't matter. Don't select any modules for installation and then when the system is booted for the first time, just run "modconf" and install whatever modules you need once you find out your exact hardware. There are some autodetection packages you can install, although I've never needed them. It usually pays to know exactly what kind of hardware you have, even if you are running Redhat or Mandrake or whatever. I always found adding a new piece of hardware difficult in Mandrake. Debian is easy. Just use modconf.
I'm not sure why you say Mandrake is good for newbies. Newbies usually convert from Windows, hence, they usually want the newest software possible. Having the newest software possbile eventually involves downloading new ISOs every 4 months and installing a new version of Mandrake. Clean installs are better, so you'd have to delete your previous install. I once tried to upgrade from MDK 8.1 to 8.2 and had horrible libpng3 problems when trying to upgrade one RPM at a time. So I had to do a clean install. I've tried urpmi, and it just doesn't work that well. Maybe in 5 years it will be perfected.
With debian just "apt-get update" then "apt-get -u upgrade". Don't want to make a sources.list file? Just use netselect to create one for you. Don't like woody/stable? Change your default distribution in /etc/apt/apt.conf to testing/sarge or unstable/sid. Then "apt-get -u upgrade" or "apt-get -u dist-upgrade".
I'm sorry but Debian is not middle of the road. It covers the entire road from newbie to power user.
And why is this sample in France deteriorating anyways? Don't they keep it in a vacuum (purged periodically with Helium)?
Yeah I noticed that too. It's crazy. Just wait until it gets turned on... and the current will start to flow from source to drain. Just don't turn it on too high, or it will blow.