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Mozilla 1.5 Alpha Available
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla.org released Mozilla v1.5 alpha today, with flavors available for Linux,
Mac OS X, and Windows. Some of the new features include Composer enhancements, Chatzilla logging, multiple tab window closing confirmation, and quicksearch support in about:config. A more detailed rough changelog is also available. In a somewhat related note, Mozilla 1.4 has been downloaded over a half million times in the past 3 weeks (not counting mirrors)."
Now I can enjoy some new and completely unnoticeable changes!!
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(O.o) This is Bunny. (> <)
Quicksearching in about:config was a much-needed feature. I always had trouble locating stuff in there, especially when I didn't know exactly what it was named.
Mozilla 1.4 has been downloaded over a half million times in the past 3 weeks (not counting mirrors)
Is that the *official* count, or the RIAA count?
Isnt 1.5 and forward supposed to be based on Firebird and not Mozilla? I didnt see that change anywhere in the simple release notes...
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
Does camino have a future? No releases have been made since 0.7, quite some time ago. Should MacOS X users switch to Mozilla, or Firebird.
ObSafariSucks
I think I speak for all blissfully ignorant Internet Explorer users when I say...
whoopty-freakin-doo...
will mozilla ever put MNG support back in?
I'd like to see Mozilla getting leaner with each release.
And stop with the features already.
Safari is where it is at anyway.
Those guys actually list about 500 issues they've taken care of with this release. Go people go! .zip file "as...," Moz appends a .x after the .zip extension
some useful ones imho
*Mozilla crashes when magnifier is used
*Browser crashes when javascript closes a window [@nsDocShell::InternalLoad]
*Save As > withoua> extention result is a html fila> and a directory > *When saving a
*mozilla can't subscribe to existing imap folders
*Browser crashes on HTTPS urls - Trunk M140RC1 [@cert_get_next_general_name
*Loading personal certificates
*pop3 password failed error msg missing
Has the Mozilla crew ever thought of quit making the browser as one giant, bloated super-applicaton and separate all the components into distinct, different programs in the spirit of IE/Outlook/FrontPage as well as Safari/Mail/iCal?
I know Firebird/Thunderbird/Dodobird exist but they seem like separate distinct projects, and the apps are definitely not as stable as stock Moz; trust me, I've used em all.
I mean, does my web browser REALLY need an IRC client?!
At this rate, Moz 1.6 will have an included oral sex plugin.
I always set
" , true);e .close", true);e .directo ries", true);e .locatio n", true);e .menubar ", true);e .minimiz able", true);e .persona lbar", true);e .resizab le", true);e .scrollb ars", true);e .status" , true);e .titleba r", true);e .toolbar ", true);g e", true);w ", true)
user_pref("dom.disable_window_flip", true);
user_pref("dom.disable_window_move_resize
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_status_chan
user_pref("browser.block.target_new_windo
to keep crappy web pages from disabling my menus.
I think the Mozilla developers have been doing an excellent job lately, especially with respect to choreographing releases with future development needs. --- the switch-over to Firebird could have been disasterous or annoying, but it's been smooth.
add it to their cd's so people can get a feel for it ?
Great! But Mozilla isn't complete until you've got MOUSE GESTURES. Honestly, I've found that mouse gestures coupled with tabbed browsing is such a more pleasant experience than anything that Microsoft is peddling. It seems that the best innovation is still coming from elsewhere and Microsoft is playing catch-up. Didn't I hear about IE having tabbed browsing in the next release?
I hate liberals. If you are a liberal, do not reply.
and ActiveX (ek if ya browser knows about it).
Both are evil.
SCO is trying to patent both of them.
I see Mozilla news almost daily on Slashdot but where's the Opera news? Every small release of Mozilla however unimportant gets mentioned but not even the biggest Opera news gets mentioned. Opera doesn't even have it's own news Icon here on Slashdot. We should demand more Opera news because Opera 7.2 beta 2 came out today and I must say it's the best Opera ever (much better than that memory hogging vile beast of a pig Mozilla). Although no Linux version of beta 2 is out yet, only Windows, it is still news worthy of being on Slashdot. Here's the news announcement and heres some forums to talk about the new beta.
I only got round to updating from 1.3 to 1.4 a week ago.
Some of the new features include Composer enhancements, Chatzilla logging, multiple tab window closing confirmation, and quicksearch support in about:config.
Oh thank Dog.
This is my only gripe about tabbed browsing, as it makes life annoying for people who are switching over from IE and haven't used a tabbed browser before. I can't count the number of times I've absent-mindedly clicked on the closing X in the window bar as opposed to the lower X for the tabs...
Now, if only they could fix the issue with multi-language support in Moz 1.4 Win32. Every time I go to a Japanese website I get a notification telling me that I need to install a language pack, but so far as I can tell, I've done this. The popup doesn't say exactly where to go to configure this in Preferences, and as far as I can tell, I've done set it up already (Preferences -> Navigator -> Languages), and it's not doing anything. So, either the language support is broken, or the instructions/setup procedure are non-intuitive.
"Mod, mod, mod...and another troll bites the dust."
At least if you just want the browser, Mozilla Firebird seems already much better than Mozilla.
I have been using a recent nightly build of Mozilla Firebird as my primary browser, and it has been very stable and already feels much more polished than Mozilla.
Small things like the Ctrl-Enter shortcut and automatic mouse scrolling make Mozilla Firebird feel more like a polished product than Moziila does.
I always knew that IE had a built in crash timer, but Mozilla?
That's odd, according to the half million download report, the Windows version is by far the most popular, with 71.5% of downloads. Speaking for myself, a Mozilla/Windows user, I use Mozilla because it works better and has more features. It's also not plagued by countless security issues.
If they could get Chatzilla and Mail in the main tabbed interface it would roxorz IMO.
....could it be because every other Linux distribution includes Mozilla browser?
$cat
Mozilla 1.4 has been downloaded over a half million times in the past 3 week
... and I still can't get the damn thing to work.
Just to be fair, why is it that most Mozilla folks constantly bitch that IE doesn't support PNG transparency (actually does, but it's a kludgy hack), but Mozilla's implementation is broken?
Do they include v1.4?
Mozilla.org STILL has no plans to support yEnc encoding. Wonder if they have some deal with the Agent people.
I don't know if I'm the only out there who's noticed, but, Firebird development has slowed considerably with all the Mozilla fuss. The next FB milestone (0.7 Indio) is going to be late almost two months in a few days. Meanwhile we've had the Mozilla 1.4 RC1, RC2, Final and 1.5 Alpha come out.
CVS checkins to the Firebird suite have also lagged behind. Personally, I would like to see FB development accelerated instead of put on the back burner.
Unfortunately it may take a bit longer than that. It'll take a year to get something shippable to end users (brendan)
This is disappointing to me as I use Firebird regularly and am really impressed, but I guess they (the developers) know what they are talking about.
When I read that, the first thing I thought of was the Simpsons episode featuring Tomacco where Homer is offered $150 million and says he won't take anything less than $150 billion.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Hah!
I use Solaris a lot, and Linux a bit. Mozilla is on both of those platforms.
But Windows--Oh man, it's nice to have a really GOOD broswer on the universal de facto platform. Given that Windows is a toy to begin with (no insult intended--I use it for games, and nothing else), why would you NOT want to have the best browser on it?
OK, look at it another way: If 99% of the Linux people used Mozilla (an exaggeration, I'm sure) and 0.5% of the Windows market used it, then which group would account for more browser downloads?
(Hint: The answer is Windows)
At any rate, I know a lot of people--100% pure Windows users--who are quite happy about having Mozilla. Tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking is a boon.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
No, but your Dad does.
The problem that I've had with every version of Mozilla I've seen so far is that I can't tell when I have new email under Linux. Under Netscape 4.8, when new mail arrives the mail client icon on the KDE Kicker panel changes so I can see that I have mail even if the mail client is iconified. In Mozilla 1.x or Netscape 7.1 this does not happen, so I can't tell when new mail arrives if the browser and mail client are iconified or covered by other windows. I realize there is an option in preferences for audio notification, but it doesn't seem to work and I really don't want to annoy everyone in my office ever time I get email anyway.
Is there some simple work-around that I don't know about? Are there any plans to fix this? I've raised this issue on mozillazine.org and reported it to Netscape (a few weeks before AOL killed Netscape), but it seems to get no attention. This is a total showstopper for me. Someone please rescue me from having to use Netscape 4.8 for email...
You're joking, right?
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IE is free, dumbasses. And guess what? It actually WORKS!!!
In other news, the Wheel will never catch on because Dragging Things on the Ground works and is very widely deployed already.;)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
I gave up on it.. now I'm back again! 1.4 rocks my world..
Does this version include MNG support? It was included, working, and then REMOVED from the trunk!
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See bug 18574 for more information:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185
If you agree that MNG support is useful, please vote for the bug, with the following link. 528 other people have already voted in support of restoring MNG.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votes.cgi?action=sh
-molo
PS: I would make real links out of it, but bugzilla denies anything with a slashdot.org referrer.
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
I don't know what sites you try to surf, but a lot of the ones I hit, need javascript to function properly, wanna hit that link. oh it calls a javascript function, wanna view that video, nope, javascript there too.
I just don't let it do crap i don't like (move/resize windows, remove my bars, close windows, etc) and suddenly, javascript is fine with me. I still get to buy stuff off of websites (only the ones that DON'T have pop-ups, cause I refuse to support ones that do). And I don't have to put up with the other sites that use javascript to be evil. Best of both words
...but if Mozilla is all you use, you won't be going to BuyMusic.com
Well?
473 downloads,
beaten by beos:926
music lover since 1969
Wow, that was really clever. Your mom must be proud.
Yeah, too bad your dad can't say the same.
Your sister can only say good things about me after last night. She said I was even better than your dad.
I agree this is definitely a troll of a higher caliber.
At any rate, I know a lot of people--100% pure Windows users--who are quite happy about having Mozilla. Tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking is a boon.
:)
Who knows, maybe IE7 will "borrow" those features from Mozilla!
"...a generation of kids has grown up thinking Trance is the shittiest music since country and western." - Paul van Dyk
xfree86 4.3 mozilla 1.4 pngs work as advertised.
I've no doubt they will. In fact, about a year ago I predicted (only somewhat tongue-in-cheek) that they'd not only "borrow" the features, but then proceed to sue the Mozilla organisation for stealing their ideas in the first place. :-)
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
This is my one feature request: Draggable tabs. There is no way to rearrange the order that the tabs are displayed in - you should be able to drag them left and right in the browser window. Once you open a tab, you are stuck with its position relative to your other tabs. Doesn't seem hard to do, and it's been in bugzilla for years.
Congratulations!!!
That was perhaps the single most brainless and illiterate troll I've seen in the last year. You have really outdone your genre.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
As IT industry grows up a lot of people keep on using old junk because they won't spend money on new hardware until what they have still works. I hear it often than this or that program is slow or uses way too much memory. Geeks probably understand that getting new hardware is a normal process of IT progress, but explain it to average people, not all of them will agree.
Mozilla is a very good program, I use it on my WS with 900Mb of ram (average process size is 90Mb), but at the moment I am typing this message in Opera 7.11 that runs in 64Mb (ok I know, on this outdated hardware most people would usee win98, but I have linux of course) and it is probably the only full featured (links and dillo aren't ones) browser I could use on this computer.
Also tabbed browsing sometimes isn't easily accepted by some people used to working in windows. Having two task-tab-bars instead of one, that's hard to understand someties. Popup blocking requires you understanding what in the world a JavaScript is too.
> If 99% of the Linux people used Mozilla (an exaggeration, I'm sure) and 0.5% of the Windows market used it, then which group would account for more browser downloads?
> (Hint: The answer is Windows)
Certainly, since most dists of Linux these days seem to *come with* Moz. Only Windows users would h=not have it and have to download it.
if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
I have to say Mozilla/Firebird has really grown onto me. At work i have to use IE and what bugs me is that while Mozilla has evolved fast IE has been standing still. Things like popup kill, tabs, privacy and cookie management etc, i just cant be without them now that im used to them. Today Mozilla is the best browser out there without a doubt.
To the Mozilla decelopers and Netscape/AOL, thank you!
HTTP/1.1 400
Remember that while Windows -doesn't- come with Moz, most linux distros -do-. So that would skew the figures even more to the Windows direction.
That quote from staff minutes was out of context. I was citing the agreement I'd reached with all-volunteer Mozilla Firebird developers before the Mozilla Foundation was announced, where 0.7 would coincide with 1.5, 0.8 with 1.6, etc. I went on to say to staff, at that meeting, that if we get more time from the developers, the schedule could be shortened.
Now, we hope to hire a Firebird developer fulltime at the Mozilla Foundation, and we expect to go faster. No promises yet; the roadmap will be updated in due course.
But I don't have a sister.
I use Windows and I love Firebird. As you say, the tabs & pop-up blocking are great. But, I am sad to say, I would like to have an optional add-on to allow for the broken javascript parsing of IE, since I often run across sites developed only for IE which don't work or don't behave as expected in Firebird. Something with a toggle would be nice, so I could just turn it on once I hit a bad page (and thus save me from having to open IE and copy the URL over). Maybe something like this exists already (prolly not)?
But, as I already asked, how many come with 1.4? We're talking about a new release.
I've been doing a fair amount of mucking around in Mozilla Composer lately and, while it's okay for writing first-approximation Web pages, I've found the UI to be really inconvenient for some things.
The thing likes to pollute the document with line breaks (<BR>) everywhere, which is darned annoying. Creation and maintenance of directory lists (<DL> <DT> <DD>) is really finicky -- do things in the wrong sequence and the formatting will be ruined. I find myself making constant trips to the source window, fixing up broken or unnecessary HTML. It also offers no help at all in composing and previewing style sheets.
I'd really like Composer to be a good WYSIWYG HTML editor, but it seems to be sorely lacking. Is it just me? Is there some Secret Book of Composer Power Usage Tips that I haven't found yet, or does it really fall as short as I think it does?
Schwab
Editor, A1-AAA AmeriCaptions
Safari is faster and more reliable than Camino.
I still don't see roaming. There needs to be a final monolithic version (ie, not Firebird/Thunderbird) that supports roaming. That way companies who are still stuck on Netscape 4.79 for its roaming capabilities can migrate to a newer engine.
It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
Camino is faster and more reliable than Safari.
Interestingly enough, Netscape/4.7 came up with about 3.2% (3/4 of which were from on-campus).
fortunatly we're approaching 1-year of being xhtml & css devotees and its suprisingly easy to be xhtml1-strict compliant and use tableless or low-table layouts that work in 96+% of our 'human' traffic (which btw IE 6.0 is more than 65% of).
Anyway, sorry for the stats ramble, I just though it was really cool to have access to real numbers today, not just rumors and zealous flamewars.
I've got a AMD K6-2 300 w 192MB RAM, And I've never noticed a performance problem with Mozilla 1.3, other than initial startup the first time I login after a reboot.
Perhaps there is something seriously broken about your setup.
(Note, because Bugzilla blocks Slashdot referrers, you might have to copy the URL into the URL bar rather than click directly on it.)
As for faster -- I just restarted Mozilla 1.4 after having left it open for a week or two. It's about 3x the speed. How much of the speed improvement that you're noticing comes from restarting the browser?
--JoeProgram Intellivision!
may be the only way to get people to adopt it.
You are so 1337.
... exist in Opera:
also:
if you tried it and bailed, try again. it really is worth another look.
++ of course, I have no affiliation with Opera Software aside from owning a registered copy ($39) of their phenomenal browser.
and she was born in a bottle-rocket 1929.
Just run pwm fullscreen and get it over with :)
Vote for Bug 18574 if you want MNG support to come back in.
--JoeProgram Intellivision!
tag!
Despite CRAM-MD5 being finally fixed, the amazingly obtuse way Mozilla handles secure IMAP is still there: You either use plain, unencrypted IMAP on port 143, or you use IMAPS over 993.
There's no STARTTLS support (on port 143) yet, which renders Mozilla Mail and Thunderbird useless in some ultra-paranoid corporate settings...
Over 3000 OS/2 downloads! Woo! Not half-bad. Don't forget IBM has their own "branded" release of Mozilla (IBM Web Browser) for those part of their "software update" program. Not bad.
None that you or your mother know of ...
posters of mozilla in small city
Does it come with a Flash blocker?
Is it on by default?
Inquiring minds want to know.
And theres nothing sheeplike about accepting a browser that cannot handle the symptoms of browsing (popups etc) without installing 3rd party add-ons.
Browsing functions should be functions of the browser, stupid huh.
Gotta fess up... about 2600 of those were me. I was bored.
I've had this sig for three days.
Quote: Given that Windows is a toy to begin with (no insult intended--I use it for games, and nothing else), why would you NOT want to have the best browser on it?
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what the freak are you on about ?
A toy ?
Funny, I seem to be able to run a business on my toy - amazing eh ?
Just because you use if for games and nothing else, don't assume that everyone else does.
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
Lots of tips & tricks for mozilla at MozillaTips logically enough.
They've got some good stuff already, but could probably use the extra traffic !
D.
--- These are not words: wierd, genious, rediculous
I am using Mozilla 1.4 on Mac OS X 10.2 and it is not as stable as version 1.3.1: it tends to crash or to get stuck...
Is Mozilla 1.5 going to be more stable?
Thanks!
What really bugs me about composer is that when you view the HTML source it is in mono-colour text. How hard can it be to use the same scheme as the "view page source" window when you are examining a webpage.
The different colours make identifing the code much easier
You people are getting desperate, this is getting comical.
Finally! I'll never have to worry about closing all my tabs in Mozilla when I accidentally hit Ctrl+Q instead of Ctrl+W.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
My point is that linux users already have a mozilla installed (eg 1.3 with MDK9.1). so there's less incentive for them to download 1.4 because they've already got most of the good features (eg: tabbed browsing). Windows users don't have any mozilla at all, so they're going to download it, and they'll go for the latest release, 1.4. Therefore the prior availability of any recent-ish version of Moz on linux versions skews the download figures in favour of Windows. QED!
the ability to drag a tab outside of the window to make it the first tab of a new window would also be fantastic
Yeah, everybody wants it but Adobe has a patent on it. Or is there uncited prior art?
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
See this post.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
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Try doing this.
bring up mozilla. put it down in Windows and minimize it. wait say 30 minutes.. and try accessing it again.. takes over 30 seconds before you can address it.
Unlike IE.. which is instant.
Please oh please stop adding features and make it fast! It had enough features now!
I can program myself out of a Hello World Contest!!
The build I just d/l'ed is labeled 1.5b.
Mix the failings of Usenet with the shortcomings of the World Wide Web and the result is slashdot.
Why, when I go to Help -> About Mozilla, does it say:
Mozilla 1.5bMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030722
Are they calling their alphas betas now?
Hey everyone, vote for this bug: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18808 and this bug, http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22788, the most annoying bugs in Mozilla
I thought 1.5 was going to consist of the new Firebird and Thunderbird components with Sunbird trailing afterwards.
What happened?
mbbac
(Disclaimer: I'm a firm Opera fan.)
I found this recently. It seems to be quite a fresh approach to browsing interfaces, and may be worth a serious appraisal. Be warned, though: it uses IE for rendering.
I think you're reversing the whole issue. Because of the lack of support frem developers, linux is the actual 'toy' os.
Am I right?
It's not just that Linux users are more likely to have an existing version of Mozilla, but we often get our upgrades through other sources, like by using apt-get.
Not a bug per se, just the non-spec implementation of javascript in IE. If you have ever done any web development you should know what I mean. IE has always had its own version that doesn't follow the rules. These are not just IE-only extensions, mind you, but also stuff that is just plain broken that IE allows but should not. This used to be a big deal when there was a legitimate browser war going on, having to make two versions of a site, or at least test it in a variety of browsers so as to shape the code into something that works in more than just IE. Those days are apparently gone.
I'm trying to like Firebird Browser. I really am.
I've got one machine where that's the only browser I use.
But so far I'm finding most of its changes irritating (the way it handles searches by default, the way it handles sidebars, etc.)
It's not so much that I want a full suite like Seamonkey, but I'd prefer the browser to work more like Seamonkey's browser component.
Ignorance killed the cat. Curiosity was framed.
... and Longhorn gets a tabbed desktop with mouse gestures that only work with a Longhorn-certified Microsoft mouse.
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
> I mean, does my web browser REALLY need an IRC client?!
Why did you install the IRC client it if you didn't want to?
It's not so difficult to check only the browser when Mozilla asks you what to install.
Aren't we geeks supposed to know how to install a program?
I agree. I downloaded Mozilla last week to run on my Win2K based system and I totally love it. I especially like the tabbed browsing and pop up killer. It seems more stable that IE too... and definatley less bloated. It is one more step towards shaking my nasty MS habit.
Is there a checklist of missing functionality that needs to be ported from mozilla to firebird?
...or is Moz revving through point-one releases awfully fast, and for not much gain? Why for example is this release not numbered 1.4.1?
Well, Cascades 0.3 has been hosed on Mac OS X for a long long time. I filed bugs on this a long time ago but no action has been taken regarding these issues :-(
Until you learn the Ctrl+W OK reflex and it bites you someday.
Yes. In case you did not hear about it, which I doubt, Netscape has been _a little bit_ under pressure between july 2002 and now... It's only a question of priorities, like everywhere in the industry. Filing a bug does not mean the resources for fixing the bug automagically appear next door, right ?
Well, the proof of the pudding is in the eating...
GROGGS: alive and well and living in
I do know that; and I do appreciate the effort taken by all; and I do try to involve myself at my level of expertise (http://mozilla.mathiesen.info/); and I would really really like to recommend Mozilla+Composer+CaScadeS to the people I know, but the broken CaScadeS makes this impossible for me.
Now, is there any way I can be of help to get CaScadeS to work on Mac OS X ??? You do state on the webpage that you don't want any help
yenc solves a problem (mime's 'binary' transport format; it's there, read the rfcs) that's already been solved in a much cleaner and standards-compliant (read: mime-friendly) way. Why don't news client apps support encoding/decoding that? Or do they and yenc'ing is as moronic as it has been made out to be?
More of the FUD and the lies.
You know, you can promote your favoutite thingy without resorting to lies, and in the end, you will win much more that way.
Mozilla and IE render pages at about the same speed, depending on the page. I haven't clocked them, but the experience is pretty much the same. Mozilla the application, however is slower than IE the application, for several reasons, among them is the one that MS "cheats" in a way that Mozilla can't, and well Moz is doing a lot more. Plus it gets swapped out often, even if you have memory over.
So, MS cheats, and that sucks, but it doesn't change the facts.
And this is how you are hurting the cause (severly, at that, too): You say to people that Mozilla crashes less and is much faster than IE. They think "woohoo", and try it out. When this proves to not be the case, they will stop using it and never look at it again.
If you wish to promote Mozilla, you should talk about the good things it has that IE hasn't, such as ads blocking and lots of other neat features. If it is geeks you are talking to, standards compliance might be an argument too (though most people don't really care). For some people, the open source argument is quite compelling, and again, som couldn't care less.
But whatever you do, stop lying! I want Mozilla to succeed, and you sir, are not helping! If you can't actually mention the good stuff, then please just shut up instead.
It's got all that and more and uses the IE rendering engine.
Just because it's not build in doesn't mean you can't DL something better for Windows.
But Moz has been like dragging the entire cart for 8 years ever since the 4.x horse died. It's still got rough spots where they should not exist (even though it's feature fever is at it's peak).
IE does just work. Reliably, always. IE is the wheel, well oiled and balanced, without fancy hubcaps or spinning lights. It gets you there with a minimum of fuss and stupidity. Something Moz rarely does.
Obviously that's little interest to Linux users, but for Windows users, moz is just another giant blob that provides virtually no benefit.
(In fact if your featuritis starved, there are IE wrappers that do a hell of a lot of the "cool" stuff Moz does, but still renders your banks pages correctly and adds virtually nothing to the memory footprint over IE)
Fine, you're a bigot, who doesn't care about the needs of any computer user except yourself. This a really fascinating topic of conversation, but I have to go trim my toenails now.
Yeah, and some people ran their businesses on C64. I'm quite sure that qualifies as toy nevertheless.
It may be possible if you really want to torture yourself and lower your work efficiency, but that doesn't make it in any way smart or needed.
Mozilla would be my only browser if not for the fact that it categorically refuses to render the top frame at my.lycos.com and [don't laugh] www.escortracing.com. I may be the only person on Earth visiting those sites, so maybe I'm the only one to notice.