As a programmer, its hard to imagine a design that allows a piece of software I launch to assist my program, crash my program, or bring my program to complete uselessness. This was the standard in windows 3.1 days.
WTF does acrobat bring IE and Firefox both to their knees. And why cant you cancel it? Why is it allowed to lock up the browser, and every instance of it completely?
What is wrong with that architecture, and why do both IE and Firefox follow the same flawed model? Or is this some windows architectural thing getting involved?
If you are designing an architecture and you don't want the users to have to manually free resources (such as graphic canvas or somethin) you can use a ReferenceQueue.
Create a WeakReference to it and put it in a ReferenceQueue. You will be notified when it has no references to it. Then you can do as you please with that information. You can tweak the JVM to be more agressive in locating these refenrences if you wish.
Destructors were not just eliminated for the heck of it. They don't fit in the the reachability model of reference handling and the elimination of pointers. I am sure if you can show a way around it, some JVM will incorporate that. But as it stands, I have not had the problems you propose.
In my previous example I gave the situation that you have several hundreds of flyweight objects. Memory is finite and is very limited on some platforms like mobile phones (cell phones). If you need control over the memory, typically this is done through controlling the JVM you run your program on. Modern JVMs allow you to tweak the garbage collector, choose a different algorithm, configure memory, etc.. Just to re-emphasise, it's incorrect to make assuptions about the algorithm used by the garbage collector. I assume this is an oversight on your part;) When I speak of java not doing reference counting I am speaking about the reclaimation of references and the various phases they go through;
These states of a reference have very limited relationship with the garbage collector and do exist as part of the java memory architecture. This is how java tracks used references. This is before the garbage collector gets involved and is only mildly related to the GC.
if you code in Java see the Java.lang.ref package.
You are thinking of Java as a programming language exclusively. Its not. Java proper extends into the runtime arena. Without the JVM, its not Java.
You cant compile into native because you loost the virtual environment which is an intricate part of Java. C++ can because it does not have that environment. I assume C# can if it reverts to behaving like a c++ program.
I should just put this in my sig since people don't get it; Java should not be compared to c++ since a JVM is in fact often a C++ program itself.
Why should you care when the garbage collector runs?
I don't mean to insult you, but you have a misunderstanding. Java does not have destructors. Finalizers are not destructors. Once you accept that, you wont ask for certain behavior of destructors to be attributed to finalizers. finalizers are just there for testing and information. No production environment should use them. In fact, in production, they should disappear like asserts...
Why do you need a call to x.close in the finalizer? You opened it, you close it.
My solution has been to do a sort of c++ style thing. I have a reference counting system, and when they reach 0, I close the thing myself. Java does not use reference counting to know when to release an object, so perhaps thats why they dont have a destructor.
Zyxel has a VOIP over wifi handheld phone. So you can walk into a bookstore or starbucks and your all set. Of course I cant imagine how this woudl work over a NATed IP address where the port can only be used once...
Thats a very good point. But I don't think its that big of a problem as long as Vonage keeps the price low.
Over time people may come to realize the simplicity of the service Vonage is actually providing. Nevertheless, they are providing a necessary service. You can say its akin to dynamicDNS. But it works, it works well, and they are not gouging. Plus E911 may actually become a strength of a service like Vonage.
I think they have lots of methods to make themselves usefull to the public.
The bigest problem Vonage has will be one they don't have yet. The shareholder excuse being available to greedy Management...
Vonage is The 8hit. I have used it for just under a month. This will be the first IPO I actually try to get in on. (If it doesent get insane. im not stupid after all)
I been upset about this and hoping for legislation. 15 registers to buy stuff with, 1 counter with a line out the store for returns, with a single person that has to check with 10 different people for each return.
Most stores I have seen are like this, its not right.
Having a legally blind mother that uses the web, I wonder how captcha complies with the Americans With Disabilities Act (when used by American companies of course)?
Is it compatible with BLINUX? I think by definition it is not.
Perhaps I should ask, what alternate method of identification do sights employ to take into account blind users and the ADA?
I was under the impression that the copyright was not at issue, but the foundation was. I would expect the developers don't care that Miro transferred copyrights to an organization miro founded and filled with its own people.
At the end of it all someone/something has to hold the root certificate/key. The current direction is for that to be the BIOS.
Kind of like a built in 'dongle.' Its an impossible task. In all likelyhood they will just end up passing laws and trying to put people into Jail because you can not give somebody an encryption system that will be encryptin and decrypting things, and expect that they can't decipher it.
Its very similar to questions people ask at least once per month in the Java forums. How can I encrypt my class files?
May suggest using a decrypting classloader. Overall whats the point? Its got to exist decrypted in RAM somewhere, and anyone after your files will just get them then...
I don't know. And why does he think the responses given are even remotely in his favor?
He essentially gives reasons for what he did, but he never claims he did not do it.
Lame. He suggedted that the devs did not get on the foundation because it would take them away from their programming work. Honestly, don't they deserve to be there even if they quit developing? Or is he saying programmers dont make management material?
I don't agree. You are talking about computer games. But the sports category of that has long sense stoped exhibiting gameplay improvements. Maybe EA doesent realize this. Sports games MUST exhibit a growth in visual relaity, or gameplay reality. They have no other way to grow. If its mideval football, then its a totally different game that appeals to a different audience. If they did that I would assume they were trying to get football game fans to buy some of their other titles...
They are likely just getting people to buy the latest madden that didnt buy the one before that. Its like quicken or MS money. They dont improve so only reason to upgrade is if you dont have a version that works on your os or (shamefully) they fixed a bug and wont backport it.
Since we have 2 cell phones in the house, we dumped out POST.
Since they are passing regulations on 911 over voip, the liability will fall on the regulation creators as opposed to the companies themselves. So long as the companies satisfy the regulation.
I disagree completely. This is not about random crashes. Asus has a reputation for quality and you can bet your last dollar these boards will not crash at standard speeds even with this ghost overclock.
This is a question of ethics. Lying is never acceptable.
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Why are there only old movies in the rental store? There still making money off the new ones. The difference is the rental store does not require a monthly fee...
Try turning the speed down and playing a slow game of starcraft. See how everyone complains about it. Heck even official SC games on battlenet are set a notch faster than a few years ago...
If you read my post you would have realized my recommendation would be to punish those in Telstra making the decisions the people disagree with. Because since its government run you can do that sorta thing.
How is this different from the shareholders voting out a bad CEO? Except that in publicly held companies there is no 1 man 1 vote.
"Yeah, it takes the kind of person who enjoys gambling a bit."
You misphrased your sentence. You mean to say "it takes the kind of person who enjoys games of chance."
There is a big difference. These people are not gambling because they are not risking anything. They are paying for a bit of fun.
Gamblers are _gambling_ which means they are risking loosing something they cant afford to loose. If they coudl afford to loose it, then its not a gamble its just the price for fun.
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As a programmer, its hard to imagine a design that allows a piece of software I launch to assist my program, crash my program, or bring my program to complete uselessness. This was the standard in windows 3.1 days.
WTF does acrobat bring IE and Firefox both to their knees. And why cant you cancel it? Why is it allowed to lock up the browser, and every instance of it completely?
What is wrong with that architecture, and why do both IE and Firefox follow the same flawed model? Or is this some windows architectural thing getting involved?
If you are designing an architecture and you don't want the users to have to manually free resources (such as graphic canvas or somethin) you can use a ReferenceQueue.
Create a WeakReference to it and put it in a ReferenceQueue. You will be notified when it has no references to it. Then you can do as you please with that information. You can tweak the JVM to be more agressive in locating these refenrences if you wish.
Destructors were not just eliminated for the heck of it. They don't fit in the the reachability model of reference handling and the elimination of pointers. I am sure if you can show a way around it, some JVM will incorporate that. But as it stands, I have not had the problems you propose.
In my previous example I gave the situation that you have several hundreds of flyweight objects. Memory is finite and is very limited on some platforms like mobile phones (cell phones). ;)
If you need control over the memory, typically this is done through controlling the JVM you run your program on. Modern JVMs allow you to tweak the garbage collector, choose a different algorithm, configure memory, etc..
Just to re-emphasise, it's incorrect to make assuptions about the algorithm used by the garbage collector. I assume this is an oversight on your part
When I speak of java not doing reference counting I am speaking about the reclaimation of references and the various phases they go through;
Phantomly reachable
Softly reachable
Weakly reachable
These states of a reference have very limited relationship with the garbage collector and do exist as part of the java memory architecture. This is how java tracks used references. This is before the garbage collector gets involved and is only mildly related to the GC.
if you code in Java see the Java.lang.ref package.
You are thinking of Java as a programming language exclusively. Its not. Java proper extends into the runtime arena. Without the JVM, its not Java.
You cant compile into native because you loost the virtual environment which is an intricate part of Java. C++ can because it does not have that environment. I assume C# can if it reverts to behaving like a c++ program.
I should just put this in my sig since people don't get it; Java should not be compared to c++ since a JVM is in fact often a C++ program itself.
Why should you care when the garbage collector runs?
I don't mean to insult you, but you have a misunderstanding. Java does not have destructors. Finalizers are not destructors. Once you accept that, you wont ask for certain behavior of destructors to be attributed to finalizers. finalizers are just there for testing and information. No production environment should use them. In fact, in production, they should disappear like asserts...
Why do you need a call to x.close in the finalizer? You opened it, you close it.
My solution has been to do a sort of c++ style thing. I have a reference counting system, and when they reach 0, I close the thing myself. Java does not use reference counting to know when to release an object, so perhaps thats why they dont have a destructor.
xactly.
We all think it, but most are intelligent enough not to say it. Most...
Zyxel has a VOIP over wifi handheld phone. So you can walk into a bookstore or starbucks and your all set. Of course I cant imagine how this woudl work over a NATed IP address where the port can only be used once...
Thats a very good point. But I don't think its that big of a problem as long as Vonage keeps the price low.
Over time people may come to realize the simplicity of the service Vonage is actually providing. Nevertheless, they are providing a necessary service. You can say its akin to dynamicDNS. But it works, it works well, and they are not gouging. Plus E911 may actually become a strength of a service like Vonage.
I think they have lots of methods to make themselves usefull to the public.
The bigest problem Vonage has will be one they don't have yet. The shareholder excuse being available to greedy Management...
Vonage is The 8hit. I have used it for just under a month. This will be the first IPO I actually try to get in on. (If it doesent get insane. im not stupid after all)
I been upset about this and hoping for legislation. 15 registers to buy stuff with, 1 counter with a line out the store for returns, with a single person that has to check with 10 different people for each return.
Most stores I have seen are like this, its not right.
Having a legally blind mother that uses the web, I wonder how captcha complies with the Americans With Disabilities Act (when used by American companies of course)?
Is it compatible with BLINUX? I think by definition it is not.
Perhaps I should ask, what alternate method of identification do sights employ to take into account blind users and the ADA?
I buy VHS because my son likes to bite the DVDs, so he keeps messing them up, but the tapes are much more durable.
Very very dumb. Dare I say not even significantly dumb either. Like someone made them up on the spot as a joke on slashdot...
I was under the impression that the copyright was not at issue, but the foundation was. I would expect the developers don't care that Miro transferred copyrights to an organization miro founded and filled with its own people.
At the end of it all someone/something has to hold the root certificate/key. The current direction is for that to be the BIOS.
Kind of like a built in 'dongle.' Its an impossible task. In all likelyhood they will just end up passing laws and trying to put people into Jail because you can not give somebody an encryption system that will be encryptin and decrypting things, and expect that they can't decipher it.
Its very similar to questions people ask at least once per month in the Java forums. How can I encrypt my class files?
May suggest using a decrypting classloader. Overall whats the point? Its got to exist decrypted in RAM somewhere, and anyone after your files will just get them then...
Not if its connected to the BIOS. If its not integrated with the BIOS, no level of ofuscation will prevent it from being broken.
I don't know. And why does he think the responses given are even remotely in his favor?
He essentially gives reasons for what he did, but he never claims he did not do it.
Lame. He suggedted that the devs did not get on the foundation because it would take them away from their programming work. Honestly, don't they deserve to be there even if they quit developing? Or is he saying programmers dont make management material?
His whole reply was transparent.
I don't agree. You are talking about computer games. But the sports category of that has long sense stoped exhibiting gameplay improvements. Maybe EA doesent realize this. Sports games MUST exhibit a growth in visual relaity, or gameplay reality. They have no other way to grow. If its mideval football, then its a totally different game that appeals to a different audience. If they did that I would assume they were trying to get football game fans to buy some of their other titles...
They are likely just getting people to buy the latest madden that didnt buy the one before that. Its like quicken or MS money. They dont improve so only reason to upgrade is if you dont have a version that works on your os or (shamefully) they fixed a bug and wont backport it.
Since we have 2 cell phones in the house, we dumped out POST.
Since they are passing regulations on 911 over voip, the liability will fall on the regulation creators as opposed to the companies themselves. So long as the companies satisfy the regulation.
I disagree completely. This is not about random crashes. Asus has a reputation for quality and you can bet your last dollar these boards will not crash at standard speeds even with this ghost overclock.
This is a question of ethics. Lying is never acceptable.
Why are there only old movies in the rental store? There still making money off the new ones. The difference is the rental store does not require a monthly fee...
There is no difference.
Try turning the speed down and playing a slow game of starcraft. See how everyone complains about it. Heck even official SC games on battlenet are set a notch faster than a few years ago...
If you read my post you would have realized my recommendation would be to punish those in Telstra making the decisions the people disagree with. Because since its government run you can do that sorta thing.
How is this different from the shareholders voting out a bad CEO? Except that in publicly held companies there is no 1 man 1 vote.
"Yeah, it takes the kind of person who enjoys gambling a bit."
You misphrased your sentence. You mean to say "it takes the kind of person who enjoys games of chance."
There is a big difference. These people are not gambling because they are not risking anything. They are paying for a bit of fun.
Gamblers are _gambling_ which means they are risking loosing something they cant afford to loose. If they coudl afford to loose it, then its not a gamble its just the price for fun.