Face it. There is stolen code in Linux. How much and how severe the value of the theft is to be determined but that there was theft is almost certain.
I am going to disagree with you, but not so much as everyone else has. I think SCO knows just as much as we do. They are lawyers, not programmers and actually do not have more skill and certainly do not have near the resources of the open source commnity.
I think SCO has found some interesting correlations. And that is certainly enough to launch their campaign which is increasing their stock price(and all that goes with that).
So time will tell us, as well as SCO if they have a case. Either way, SCO execs have already won.
Experience is NOT more important than education. Lots of self taught programmers will have difficulty finding a job because just claiming you can do that job is much different from producing a 4 year college degree.
A Masters degree is a "Specialization." It means you can do the bachelors stuff, and especially this one particular topic. So if you find a job in that particular "topic," THEN you get payed more, and are valued more.
A doctorate is not so much a further specialization, but a doctorate dubs you an innovator in the field. Excellent when budgets have money for research and development. But I must warn that anything Non-product related will be the first thing to go when budgets get tight.
I'm sorry, but you're so stereotypically open-source-biased it's scary.
Yes I am biased, but I dont know where you get stereotypically from.
Microsoft Word got where it is precisely because it was better than the opposition, and for a long time. Microsoft's position today may be dominant, and they may abuse it, but you don't get to 90+% market share by being mediocre. You get there because no-one else has an alternative worth using for so long that most of the market switches.
Bah, what are you holding MS stock, or just too young to remember? MS got where it is for a few reasons. MS Word crashed less. MS was playing their nasty tricks of intentionally causing others programs like Netscape Navigator and WordPerfect to crash back then. Also, they HID their APIs illegally. Thats why they got sued.
Word Perfect was always easier to use, but the Microsoft 'suite' was better. Again, Drag and Drop required OS cooperation, which MS played games with.
And please stop equating closed source with the sort of service you get from one or two large companies. I work as a software developer, on what you'd probably call a closed source project. We write technical libraries to sell to other software developers, who typically make end user products themselves. Our company and the service it offers are nothing like what you describe.
I don't think I did that. I have problems with LOTS of closed source software. And their is nothing I can do to fix it. and their is no better alternative. Just because their are some good ones does not mean their are no bad ones.
If one of our clients has a problem, they get straight through to skilled support staff, who are in direct contact with the dev team if need be. Typical turnaround for a critical bug is same day (that's everything from first contact through to shipping a fixed library that's been through several hours of tests to verify its correctness). This happens because we have a team of professionals who take their job, their products and the service they provide seriously.
Now you are just joking. MOST software packages on my computer right now are closed source. MOST of them offer little to no support. Is your computer different?
Frankly, I find your generalisations about closed source problems to be unfounded and your implications about the attitude of closed source developers offensive. Open source clearly has some advantages. I use it and I have nothing against you if you wish to support it. But closed source doesn't imply all the problems that certain organisations exhibit today, and open source doesn't imply all the benefits of a major project like Linux or Mozilla. If you're going to compare the two, at least do so fairly based on typical examples, or what's the point?
While I agree that your level of support from a closed source company is typical on the enterprise level, it is atypical on the consumer level.
I think this is the investor mentality. You invest for money, and no other reason. So if the compay does not do well, you sell your shares. People dont vote. The only thing they look for about their stock is the price.
I think the money side of people is the evil side, and being an 'investor' sort of splits out this evil side and lets it work on its own. For me, thats the bad part. If their were minimum holding times for stocks, people would care more. but buy at 12pm sell at 1pm removes any sense of responsibility.
CEOs and investors are generally on the same page. But often enough the CEO is the devil the investors are dancing with.
I am saying that government makes mistakes and today can cover them by 'loosing' the documentation/ destroying the paper trail.
With a signed key, the evidence is in your hand, and they are stuck with their mistakes. Governemnt does not want that level of responsibility even though they are supposed to have it now. Perhaps is more accurate to say the government does not want this level of liability and sort of oversite.
Weird you suggesd RHN is difficult to use, then go on to claim MS automatic update is easy because of those features which it has in common with Redhat update agent.
Maybe you are using the redhat network website as opposed to the Redhat Network Update Agent.
Go to System Tools menu, and start the "Redhat Network Alert Icon."
Alternately, you can type 'up2date' at a command prompt. As usual, seek information in the man page, 'man up2date'.
The Ray Noorda went over to the dark side himself. Considering he is majority owner of The Canopy Group, which is majority owner of SCO, and all the other companies under which are some strange business dealings coming forth.
Well its not "mandatory." You still have your freedoms in America. You just can't send your child to school without 'em;) Some of them are totally voluntary, but they don't tell you and act like they all are mandatory.
They sometimes start with new vaccines a little too soon for my taste. Especially when you have a Child with a weaker immune system, these decisions can be very much case by case. Children still get sick, and die from the vaccines. That percentage is acceptable until its your child.
NEVER can overriding individuals rights be good for the community as a whole. I dont like that slippery slope. If you want that, may I suggest China?
China is in no way comparable to America. I discount your SARS ideals.
Microsoft Word is not popular because its good. I'm sure you already realized this.
As for typical output? Look at the typical output from closed source products. I am not impressed. THey are quite buggy and annoying. However, they work vigorously to cover up their short commings, while open source tends to embrace short comings by requesting more support. They certainly dont try to sweep them under the rug.
How many times have I encountered errors in closed source packages only to have to pay to find out its a real error, and have next to 0 helpful support.
If anything the open source attitude is top shelf.
Because companies like to live on the other side of the fence these days. The investor side.
Regulation is not simply price, it also oversite to make sure they are maintaining their equipment properly, etc. Once the regulation is gone, profit becomes king. When profit is king, CEOs will use a company as a stepping stone. Kill long term viability in favor of short term profits. Get the profits. CEO uses the new profits to get a higher paying job elsewhere, leaving the new CEO with a mess on his hands...
When Americans quit believing rich people are smart and put in some caring people in office, America will be a better place. As it stands we like suits and ties over heart and substance.
Sun Microsystems doesn't seem to mind what's happening with SCO. I wonder why?
Mind? Some of us feel that it was Sun that bought the first UNIX license from SCO.
Note: I use that term bought loosely considering 500,000 shares of SCOX options ended up in the hands of this mysterious first purchaser. License cost ~$3,000,000. Share value as of today is about $5,000,000.
Seems like the first purchaser could have just made a $2,000,000 profit on their license...
Doubt if this happens too soon. Its irrefutable. Today if the screw over your identity they can 'loose' the documentation. But if the sign your key, thir is no out for them.
So the first step is to make the current identity system near perfect. We know its terrible. So no point using a broken system to sign a key.
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Face it. There is stolen code in Linux. How much and how severe the value of the theft is to be determined but that there was theft is almost certain.
I am going to disagree with you, but not so much as everyone else has. I think SCO knows just as much as we do. They are lawyers, not programmers and actually do not have more skill and certainly do not have near the resources of the open source commnity.
I think SCO has found some interesting correlations. And that is certainly enough to launch their campaign which is increasing their stock price(and all that goes with that).
So time will tell us, as well as SCO if they have a case. Either way, SCO execs have already won.
Experience is NOT more important than education. Lots of self taught programmers will have difficulty finding a job because just claiming you can do that job is much different from producing a 4 year college degree.
A Masters degree is a "Specialization." It means you can do the bachelors stuff, and especially this one particular topic. So if you find a job in that particular "topic," THEN you get payed more, and are valued more.
A doctorate is not so much a further specialization, but a doctorate dubs you an innovator in the field. Excellent when budgets have money for research and development. But I must warn that anything Non-product related will be the first thing to go when budgets get tight.
Free as in speech?
I'm sorry, but you're so stereotypically open-source-biased it's scary.
Yes I am biased, but I dont know where you get stereotypically from.
Microsoft Word got where it is precisely because it was better than the opposition, and for a long time. Microsoft's position today may be dominant, and they may abuse it, but you don't get to 90+% market share by being mediocre. You get there because no-one else has an alternative worth using for so long that most of the market switches.
Bah, what are you holding MS stock, or just too young to remember? MS got where it is for a few reasons. MS Word crashed less. MS was playing their nasty tricks of intentionally causing others programs like Netscape Navigator and WordPerfect to crash back then. Also, they HID their APIs illegally. Thats why they got sued.
Word Perfect was always easier to use, but the Microsoft 'suite' was better. Again, Drag and Drop required OS cooperation, which MS played games with.
And please stop equating closed source with the sort of service you get from one or two large companies. I work as a software developer, on what you'd probably call a closed source project. We write technical libraries to sell to other software developers, who typically make end user products themselves. Our company and the service it offers are nothing like what you describe.
I don't think I did that. I have problems with LOTS of closed source software. And their is nothing I can do to fix it. and their is no better alternative. Just because their are some good ones does not mean their are no bad ones.
If one of our clients has a problem, they get straight through to skilled support staff, who are in direct contact with the dev team if need be. Typical turnaround for a critical bug is same day (that's everything from first contact through to shipping a fixed library that's been through several hours of tests to verify its correctness). This happens because we have a team of professionals who take their job, their products and the service they provide seriously.
Now you are just joking. MOST software packages on my computer right now are closed source. MOST of them offer little to no support. Is your computer different?
Frankly, I find your generalisations about closed source problems to be unfounded and your implications about the attitude of closed source developers offensive. Open source clearly has some advantages. I use it and I have nothing against you if you wish to support it. But closed source doesn't imply all the problems that certain organisations exhibit today, and open source doesn't imply all the benefits of a major project like Linux or Mozilla. If you're going to compare the two, at least do so fairly based on typical examples, or what's the point?
While I agree that your level of support from a closed source company is typical on the enterprise level, it is atypical on the consumer level.
I think this is the investor mentality. You invest for money, and no other reason. So if the compay does not do well, you sell your shares. People dont vote. The only thing they look for about their stock is the price.
I think the money side of people is the evil side, and being an 'investor' sort of splits out this evil side and lets it work on its own. For me, thats the bad part. If their were minimum holding times for stocks, people would care more. but buy at 12pm sell at 1pm removes any sense of responsibility.
CEOs and investors are generally on the same page. But often enough the CEO is the devil the investors are dancing with.
I am saying that government makes mistakes and today can cover them by 'loosing' the documentation/ destroying the paper trail.
With a signed key, the evidence is in your hand, and they are stuck with their mistakes. Governemnt does not want that level of responsibility even though they are supposed to have it now. Perhaps is more accurate to say the government does not want this level of liability and sort of oversite.
Yea, I didn't check myself, but I assumed some of these ISDN and DSL modems actually run a bit over 2400 baud.
Yes it does. Didn't quite see the sense till after I pushed the button. typical.
I wish I had shorted then, but as usual with my luck, I shorted at 9.14, that was the low poin...I covered at 10.95. Yepp. I'm new at this.
I shorted again at 10.29. Im riding this pony out this time.
Weird you suggesd RHN is difficult to use, then go on to claim MS automatic update is easy because of those features which it has in common with Redhat update agent.
Maybe you are using the redhat network website as opposed to the Redhat Network Update Agent.
Go to System Tools menu, and start the "Redhat Network Alert Icon."
Alternately, you can type 'up2date' at a command prompt. As usual, seek information in the man page, 'man up2date'.
maybe they finally had enough and decided to take security a little bit more seriously from now on.
hehe, I don't recall any fines!? no fines, no change.
The Ray Noorda went over to the dark side himself. Considering he is majority owner of The Canopy Group, which is majority owner of SCO, and all the other companies under which are some strange business dealings coming forth.
Huh, then you'd be speading all your money chasing and trying to impress women...Buying the cow is cheaper than buying the milk.
Well its not "mandatory." You still have your freedoms in America. You just can't send your child to school without 'em ;) Some of them are totally voluntary, but they don't tell you and act like they all are mandatory.
They sometimes start with new vaccines a little too soon for my taste. Especially when you have a Child with a weaker immune system, these decisions can be very much case by case. Children still get sick, and die from the vaccines. That percentage is acceptable until its your child.
NEVER can overriding individuals rights be good for the community as a whole. I dont like that slippery slope. If you want that, may I suggest China?
Indeed. "No good deed goes unpunished," as the saying goes.
Plus, it just so happens that good people are not as paranoid and don't tend to hide themselves as well...
China is in no way comparable to America. I discount your SARS ideals.
Microsoft Word is not popular because its good. I'm sure you already realized this.
As for typical output? Look at the typical output from closed source products. I am not impressed. THey are quite buggy and annoying. However, they work vigorously to cover up their short commings, while open source tends to embrace short comings by requesting more support. They certainly dont try to sweep them under the rug.
How many times have I encountered errors in closed source packages only to have to pay to find out its a real error, and have next to 0 helpful support.
If anything the open source attitude is top shelf.
I agree. +1
And of course ChineOne chinese food :) But of course you can actually catch the pun in ChinaOne.
Of course, but more obviously I assume Germany went with Suse, a German company. And replaced Microsoft, an American company.
Because companies like to live on the other side of the fence these days. The investor side.
Regulation is not simply price, it also oversite to make sure they are maintaining their equipment properly, etc. Once the regulation is gone, profit becomes king. When profit is king, CEOs will use a company as a stepping stone. Kill long term viability in favor of short term profits. Get the profits. CEO uses the new profits to get a higher paying job elsewhere, leaving the new CEO with a mess on his hands...
When Americans quit believing rich people are smart and put in some caring people in office, America will be a better place. As it stands we like suits and ties over heart and substance.
Hey! I've got a MS in CE. I wonder if I'd get more doe with an MSCE these days. Companies are strange...
Of course, but one should check who is making the feedback as well.
Sun Microsystems doesn't seem to mind what's happening with SCO. I wonder why?
Mind? Some of us feel that it was Sun that bought the first UNIX license from SCO.
Note: I use that term bought loosely considering 500,000 shares of SCOX options ended up in the hands of this mysterious first purchaser. License cost ~$3,000,000. Share value as of today is about $5,000,000.
Seems like the first purchaser could have just made a $2,000,000 profit on their license...
Doubt if this happens too soon. Its irrefutable. Today if the screw over your identity they can 'loose' the documentation. But if the sign your key, thir is no out for them.
So the first step is to make the current identity system near perfect. We know its terrible. So no point using a broken system to sign a key.
No, just highlighting my intellectual prowess.
Yes thats right, most modems still operate at 2400 baud...