[quote] Do you think that they don't know that they cannot afford goods they make with their hands? Do you think that _they_think_ they are kings?[/quote]
How many people around the world working for a high tech company can truely afford what they're making?
Odly enough, your ancestors thought nothing of getting up at 6 AM to work until 8PM or so in order to live from day to day. But that was life when you had to farm to live. That was the culture. I woudl wager your ancestors biology isn't much different from yours either. Was their working so hard a travesty against humanity?
Yes, democracy must be paid for. In order for democracy to work, the government needs ligitimacy, which means it needs popular support, which means it needs press of some sort. Furthermore, the workers in democracy should (idealy) be compensated in such a way that they would not seek to take bribes and such from others thus skewing the democratic process (note this has not ever been succesfully done). Furthermore, when a democratic decision is reached, it must be enforced, and therefore costs are incurred for enforcement.
Oh, I know that's how it works, but people are still assholes, and in general, your credit card company is on your side rather than the merchant's side. I'm sure there are more than a few people who didn't send back or sent back an empty / weighted box and fought the charge on their card. While it's not common, in this day and age it would not suprise me if it was common enough to hurt.
It's probably a pure loss decision. People are assholes and they probably lost more than a few units doing advance repairs. That they replace it for just one or two stuck pixels is impressive in and of itself given as nitendo points out, it is within spec and most companies won't do that.
Yes, I do think that many parents are this stupid. Remember all the stupid kids you grew up with? The ones that were better at getting the girls than you were? They're parents now, and I assure you, they're no more intelligent now.
Sorry, I don't buy that crap. My time at college was marked mostly with courses that taught little and peppered with the occasional course that was worth the thousands in tuition that I was paying. The absolute best courses I had were courses where the professor was engaging, intelligent, and wanted to teach and impart knowledge (not fact, knowledge) on his / her students. Yes, you have to put in to get out of college, but that doesn't mean the professors don't have to put in either and unfortunately far too many of them don't put in.
If I wanted to learn verbatim from a text book and listen to a guy who doesn't speak english ramble for hours I could check a book out from the local library and turn on the spanish chanel on TV for a bit and save myself the thousands of dollars in tuition.
International order may have been stiched up nicely with the UN originaly, but these days I don't think it is. Many countries (the US included) want more out of the UN than the UN can reasonably do, and the UN is taking on things that it wasn't designed to do. The UN is a communications tool. It's a forum. It's not a world government, not a mediator, not a law making body and not a treaty making body, yet many countries are pushing the UN into various forms of these. Furthermore, with things like weapons inspectors and such as well as "peace keepers" the UN is taking on a world police role, yet is effectively neutered by it's very charter. The UN is old, outdated and very very much in need or reform and restructure. The world of today is nothing like the world of yesteryear. This clinging to a old outdated system for historical sake is almost as bad and sickening as the obnoxious attempts to cling ot old outdated laws against homosexual behavior or taxes placed for single purposes long outlived.
You realize there are a decent chunk of americans (myself included) who think that getting out of the UN and out of much of the world politics is exactly what the US needs to do right? Your threat would be a welcome change for some of us.
Your computer was warantied for what? 1 year from the date of purchase? It fufilled that requirement.
You believed the design was defective and flawed, so what were you hoping to have done when you took it to the store?
If you wanted them to do the same thing you did you weren't going to get much out of it right? Your belief is that it was inevitable that it would happen again. So why did you take it to Apple specificaly, especialy for an out of waranty repair? It's fairly common knowledge that out of waranty repairs from manufacturers cost an arm and a leg.
That's where my main confusion is, it was an OOW repair, and you seem to believe that there was no real fix for it, so why not take it to a cheaper computer repair shop?
On the other hand, if you had a glimmer of hope that there might be a fix for it, and that's why you brought it to the apple store, why is $450 so unreasonable? Presumeably in order to fix it they would have needed to replace the main board right? Is it unreasonable that labor and parts for that would be in the $450 range?
Now all of this assumes that you didn't buy the extended waranty, but even if you did, I'm fairly sure that opening your computer voids that waranty and you're once again stuck on the OOW side of things.
In all it's not that I don't think that your computer had a problem, but it seemed to me that you had unreasonable expectations about getting your computer fixed and that you cut your options short when you didn't go anywhere other than the Apple Store. That is one big advantage to being out of waranty, you can shop arround for a better repair price.
I am going to guess that if most people were asked how they felt about people recording their every move in public, taking notes of what they buy, logging visitors and friends, they would feel that their privacy is being breached
Ever been to a gorcery store? You know those little cards they give out. Yeah, tracking your purchases. Plus cameras to track your moves and who you see in the store. People don't complain. They get "discounts" for it. Privacy is overrated anyway.
Yes it does actualy. If you are in a public space I can legaly record you with my camera, make note of what you buy, who you talk to etc. What I can't do is open your backpack because that is your "private" property.
They were more than willing to fix it. For $450. The computer was outside of waranty (assuming he didn't buy the extended one) and even if it was in waranty, he instantly voided it by opening it to perform his own repair work.
No it was assembled the same way every other one is assembled, and of all the problems the iBooks had, HDDs were not a big one. In fact, if he did indeed fix it the first time that he opened it, the fact that it failed again would then be his own fault for not properly securing the cable. The fact that the apple store tech was willing to even work on his computer after he revealed that he had already disassebled his computer is in and of itself suprising. The fact that the tech wanted to charge him for this service is not.
As I said, if you're too lazy to do something yourself, you should expect to pay someone else to do it.
I explained exactly what was wrong and that I simply wanted them to take the time to take it apart and resecure the cable this time (because I just don't have the time or patience to do it again) and they quoted me 450 dollars to fix it.
Um, you didn't have the time or patience to do it, why would the tech have the time or patience for anything less that $450?
And if you weren't happy with that price, why didn't you take it to another computer shop since you knew what was wrong and what to do?
If you don't have the time or patience to do something, you should expect to pay someone to do it for you.
Yes, but if it's paid for by state or local taxes I have the option of leaving the state or much more easily voting out my state representatives. Not so with federal.
Essentially, it's like a condo fee. You cannot opt out of the elevator and the janitor, but have the pool and the cable TV. Take the whole package or leave.
Unfortunately, when the health care system is national, you can't chose to opt out. Regional health care would be more efficient, better and would alow people who don't want it to move to another "condo"
Such may have been the origins of zero tollerance but it has since expanded to include zero tollerance policies accross the country in schools and other places for things like weapons (pocket knives and squirt guns) and drugs and alcohol.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Later on the constitution was amended to provide for them:
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
If the student were to travel where such drinking was permissable under law it would either a) be legal (hence the point about illegal activity) or b) be a school sponsored trip and thus giving the school jurisdiction.
Why shouldn't they take away your parking permit? By getting a ticket for reckless driving you've clearly demonstrated your inability to drive safely. Since the health and well being of the students is the school's legal responsibility they are well within their rights to take away your parking permit so as to give you little to no reason to be driving on the school campus.
Well first there's the whole thing about having a criminal attending school, but furthermore the posting and braging about it is engouraging to the other students and thereby disruptive of the schools teachings (see DARE).
Not that I really agree with it, but if anti discrimination laws are upheld by the commerce clause this one is a walk in the park.
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[quote] Do you think that they don't know that they cannot afford goods they make with their hands? Do you think that _they_think_ they are kings?[/quote]
How many people around the world working for a high tech company can truely afford what they're making?
Odly enough, your ancestors thought nothing of getting up at 6 AM to work until 8PM or so in order to live from day to day. But that was life when you had to farm to live. That was the culture. I woudl wager your ancestors biology isn't much different from yours either. Was their working so hard a travesty against humanity?
Yes, democracy must be paid for. In order for democracy to work, the government needs ligitimacy, which means it needs popular support, which means it needs press of some sort. Furthermore, the workers in democracy should (idealy) be compensated in such a way that they would not seek to take bribes and such from others thus skewing the democratic process (note this has not ever been succesfully done). Furthermore, when a democratic decision is reached, it must be enforced, and therefore costs are incurred for enforcement.
Oh, I know that's how it works, but people are still assholes, and in general, your credit card company is on your side rather than the merchant's side. I'm sure there are more than a few people who didn't send back or sent back an empty / weighted box and fought the charge on their card. While it's not common, in this day and age it would not suprise me if it was common enough to hurt.
It's probably a pure loss decision. People are assholes and they probably lost more than a few units doing advance repairs. That they replace it for just one or two stuck pixels is impressive in and of itself given as nitendo points out, it is within spec and most companies won't do that.
Yes, I do think that many parents are this stupid. Remember all the stupid kids you grew up with? The ones that were better at getting the girls than you were? They're parents now, and I assure you, they're no more intelligent now.
Sorry, I don't buy that crap. My time at college was marked mostly with courses that taught little and peppered with the occasional course that was worth the thousands in tuition that I was paying. The absolute best courses I had were courses where the professor was engaging, intelligent, and wanted to teach and impart knowledge (not fact, knowledge) on his / her students. Yes, you have to put in to get out of college, but that doesn't mean the professors don't have to put in either and unfortunately far too many of them don't put in.
If I wanted to learn verbatim from a text book and listen to a guy who doesn't speak english ramble for hours I could check a book out from the local library and turn on the spanish chanel on TV for a bit and save myself the thousands of dollars in tuition.
International order may have been stiched up nicely with the UN originaly, but these days I don't think it is. Many countries (the US included) want more out of the UN than the UN can reasonably do, and the UN is taking on things that it wasn't designed to do. The UN is a communications tool. It's a forum. It's not a world government, not a mediator, not a law making body and not a treaty making body, yet many countries are pushing the UN into various forms of these. Furthermore, with things like weapons inspectors and such as well as "peace keepers" the UN is taking on a world police role, yet is effectively neutered by it's very charter. The UN is old, outdated and very very much in need or reform and restructure. The world of today is nothing like the world of yesteryear. This clinging to a old outdated system for historical sake is almost as bad and sickening as the obnoxious attempts to cling ot old outdated laws against homosexual behavior or taxes placed for single purposes long outlived.
You realize there are a decent chunk of americans (myself included) who think that getting out of the UN and out of much of the world politics is exactly what the US needs to do right? Your threat would be a welcome change for some of us.
Look at it from a logical point of view.
Your computer was warantied for what? 1 year from the date of purchase? It fufilled that requirement.
You believed the design was defective and flawed, so what were you hoping to have done when you took it to the store?
If you wanted them to do the same thing you did you weren't going to get much out of it right? Your belief is that it was inevitable that it would happen again. So why did you take it to Apple specificaly, especialy for an out of waranty repair? It's fairly common knowledge that out of waranty repairs from manufacturers cost an arm and a leg.
That's where my main confusion is, it was an OOW repair, and you seem to believe that there was no real fix for it, so why not take it to a cheaper computer repair shop?
On the other hand, if you had a glimmer of hope that there might be a fix for it, and that's why you brought it to the apple store, why is $450 so unreasonable? Presumeably in order to fix it they would have needed to replace the main board right? Is it unreasonable that labor and parts for that would be in the $450 range?
Now all of this assumes that you didn't buy the extended waranty, but even if you did, I'm fairly sure that opening your computer voids that waranty and you're once again stuck on the OOW side of things.
In all it's not that I don't think that your computer had a problem, but it seemed to me that you had unreasonable expectations about getting your computer fixed and that you cut your options short when you didn't go anywhere other than the Apple Store. That is one big advantage to being out of waranty, you can shop arround for a better repair price.
I am going to guess that if most people were asked how they felt about people recording their every move in public, taking notes of what they buy, logging visitors and friends, they would feel that their privacy is being breached
Ever been to a gorcery store? You know those little cards they give out. Yeah, tracking your purchases. Plus cameras to track your moves and who you see in the store. People don't complain. They get "discounts" for it. Privacy is overrated anyway.
Yes it does actualy. If you are in a public space I can legaly record you with my camera, make note of what you buy, who you talk to etc. What I can't do is open your backpack because that is your "private" property.
Murder and child molestation is illegal. Watching you through a web cam pointed at a public place is not.
They were more than willing to fix it. For $450. The computer was outside of waranty (assuming he didn't buy the extended one) and even if it was in waranty, he instantly voided it by opening it to perform his own repair work.
No it was assembled the same way every other one is assembled, and of all the problems the iBooks had, HDDs were not a big one. In fact, if he did indeed fix it the first time that he opened it, the fact that it failed again would then be his own fault for not properly securing the cable. The fact that the apple store tech was willing to even work on his computer after he revealed that he had already disassebled his computer is in and of itself suprising. The fact that the tech wanted to charge him for this service is not.
As I said, if you're too lazy to do something yourself, you should expect to pay someone else to do it.
I explained exactly what was wrong and that I simply wanted them to take the time to take it apart and resecure the cable this time (because I just don't have the time or patience to do it again) and they quoted me 450 dollars to fix it.
Um, you didn't have the time or patience to do it, why would the tech have the time or patience for anything less that $450?
And if you weren't happy with that price, why didn't you take it to another computer shop since you knew what was wrong and what to do?
If you don't have the time or patience to do something, you should expect to pay someone to do it for you.
efficient, effective, cheap
chose any two
Yes, but if it's paid for by state or local taxes I have the option of leaving the state or much more easily voting out my state representatives. Not so with federal.
Essentially, it's like a condo fee. You cannot opt out of the elevator and the janitor, but have the pool and the cable TV. Take the whole package or leave.
Unfortunately, when the health care system is national, you can't chose to opt out. Regional health care would be more efficient, better and would alow people who don't want it to move to another "condo"
Such may have been the origins of zero tollerance but it has since expanded to include zero tollerance policies accross the country in schools and other places for things like weapons (pocket knives and squirt guns) and drugs and alcohol.
Why praytell are police, schools, firefighters and roads (all fo which are the domains of the state) being paid for with federal money?
No, they're not.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Later on the constitution was amended to provide for them:
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
If the student were to travel where such drinking was permissable under law it would either a) be legal (hence the point about illegal activity) or b) be a school sponsored trip and thus giving the school jurisdiction.
Why shouldn't they take away your parking permit? By getting a ticket for reckless driving you've clearly demonstrated your inability to drive safely. Since the health and well being of the students is the school's legal responsibility they are well within their rights to take away your parking permit so as to give you little to no reason to be driving on the school campus.
Well first there's the whole thing about having a criminal attending school, but furthermore the posting and braging about it is engouraging to the other students and thereby disruptive of the schools teachings (see DARE).
Not that I really agree with it, but if anti discrimination laws are upheld by the commerce clause this one is a walk in the park.