Now if artists could get their shit together and give the fans some support, we could probably make some headway against the record labels. Then they wouldn't be able to hide behind the "we're protecting the artists" bullshit.
If you want to stick it to the record labels, you're already doing well by downloading mp3's. Now, if you really care about musicians, go to mp3.com and buy some cd's from independent/unknown bands.
But i'm sure you linux geeks are too cheap to do that. You'ld rather have your music free much like your OS and everything else of course.
I don't see why. After all, everyone keeps saying how much they actually buy music they download on free P2P's. it seems like logically, they'd rather use a service like musicnet and actually go ahead and pay for the songs.
Except...ITS ALL A LIE YOU ALL WANT FREE MUSIC.
Which is fine. Just stop trying to BS us all with this "I try the music on P2P and then buy the cd's"
I am so sick of you people saying you actually used napster to "try before you buy". You know as well as I do you more than a handful of gigs of mp3's that you never have the intention of buying the album. If you truly belive in "try before you buy", delete all the mp3's you aren't going to buy in the store.
I bet you actually bought that copy of windows you use to play games on too, eh linux geeks?
"try before you buy"..haha this from the kings of free linux zealots. that's classic
sites like mp3.com are better for the musician. Fans can hand pick the music they like, musicians get paid, everyone is happy.....Except the record executives who have been shoving pre-canned bands down our throats for 40+ years.
The states released a June 2000 Microsoft e-mail that showed a plan for Microsoft's media player to play music files in proprietary formats by rivals RealNetworks and Apple.
"Remember the 'embrace and extend' campaigns we've used in the past," Microsoft employee Frasier Mocke wrote to colleagues, "and personally I want us to rule the airwaves."
Another Microsoft executive, Dave Foster, cut the discussion short: "No more replies," he wrote. "We need to keep all of this off the airwaves."
EMBRACE AND EXTEND!!! EMBRACE AND EXTEND!!! EMBRACE AND EXTEND!!! EMBRACE AND EXTEND!!! Resistance is Futile!
preach on brother. I was about set you as foe, as the old +1 long posts workaround still works. But it's just a band aid for a greater problem. It does not stop Ac's or new accounts
You are very correct. In fact, it seems to be a linux nerd you must have some IP knowledge. Unfortunately, there is more to networking than knowing TCP/IP and the various protocol suites that run on top. Even things as simplistic as understanding ethernet frames seems to escape the grasp of most linux nerd's understanding(actually, i'm not sure many of them even realize there are frame types other than ethernet II. Then again, they probably think ip runs over pixie dust.)
"a thrilling ride" John Bantram of The Washington Times
"two thumbs and a forefinger up" Bob Ellis of Goats Need Love Too
"a wild trip.....into understanding the linux fad" James Coltran of The Midget Porn Review
speaking of linux zealots, i met one this weekend. He was very egotistical, as most linux zealots are. Being familiar only with arguing linux vs incompetent MCSE's, he was feeling a bit cocky....that is until i slammed down real networking knowledge through his little bitty head much like beating down a first level tech support geek(which, ironically, seem to be jobs filled by linux zealots)
ABOUT JAVATM TECHNOLOGY An Interview with James Gosling
March 28, 2002 -- It happens a few times in life -- the chance to ask a question of an exceptional person who has contributed to the evolution of technology, and as a result, has significantly influenced many people. Members of the Java Developer ConnectionSM [(JDC) program] recently took this opportunity when the JDC posted a poll, "Ask James Gosling."
James Gosling, vice president and fellow at Sun Microsystems, also known as the "father" of the JavaTM programming language, created the original design of the language and implemented its original compiler and virtual machine. He is a recent contributor to the Real-time Specification for the Java platform, and is currently a researcher at Sun labs, where his primary interest is software development tools.
Gosling sat down with the JDC and answered some of the many questions received as a result of the poll. Read Gosling's insight into the future of Java technology and more.
JAVA DEVELOPER CONNECTION PROGRAM (JDC): If you could start again, would you make everything an object rather than the current int, boolean, byte, etc, viz-a-viz object disconnect?
JAMES GOSLING: No, actually I tend to go the other way, which is to say, a way to make classes behave more like primitives, so that they can be optimized and become extremely efficient, and maybe have a way to do autoboxing so that they sort of go back and forth between being objects. There are a lot of subtle problems around autoboxing that always make me nervous, and the big one being questions around identity.
JDC: The Java language adds features with every release, and this is generally good, but the whole thing is getting pretty large. If you could take a few things out, what would they be?
JG: The Java language actually doesn't add very many features. The Java language itself has been very, very stable, and relatively few things have actually been added in any release. What has really gone nuts is all the different APIs that are part of [the Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition,] J2SETM. And this question, in some sense, is unanswerable. It says, if you could take a few things out of [the] J2SE [platform], what would they be? One of the tragedies we have is that we've got so many customers and everything that is in the platform is critical to a pretty large group of customers. So, for any particular person, any particular developer, not all of [the] J2SE [platform] is going to matter. But for every developer, the slice of the platform that they care about is different. It's always a constant struggle to try to avoid putting things in. And actually, if I had to pick some API that I've never used - honest I've never used the [Java DataBase ConnectivityTM] JDBCTM APIs. I've never written a piece of code that used the database stuff. So, personally, you could delete [the] JDBC [API] from [the] J2SE [platform] and it would not affect any code that I've ever written. But lots of other people would be really upset.
JDC: Where do you see Java technology in the next five years?
JG: I think the most interesting trend that's going on right now is the sort of really pervasive use of Java technology in all kinds of interesting places that are on the edges of the network. A lot of the infrastructure stuff that is in the enterprise has gotten really well established, but there is a lot of upcoming stuff in the way that people use Java technology in sort of embedded systems; things like cell phones, automobiles, realtime systems that are getting pretty interesting and giving people this ability to build systems in an end-to-end way that I think is getting very compelling.
JDC: About realtime: This developer is building some kind of ship simulation...I am writing a ship maneuvering simulator. It should simulate the trajectory of a ship and present its view to the user in approximately real time. Do I need to use the reference implementation of the realtime spec?
JG: I would say not. If you are doing simulation at all, that's not what the realtime spec is about. The realtime spec is about doing things predictably with very exact timing. And so, the hard part of this question is not the actual simulation part -- because that's not really relative to realtime -- but the display of the trajectory of the ship on the screen. And boy, every ship I've ever seen moves pretty slowly.
The stuff that's in the Java [platform] realtime specification is really only important if your timing constraints are very tight: if you are down in the sort of regime where you can't tolerate delays of more than a millisecond or so. With most things that people do in the Java programming language, you can just do regular Java [technology] code on a regular Java VM, and you'll be pretty close to realtime. Certainly within seconds and almost always within tenths to hundredths of seconds, you will be accurate. Things around garbage collection can become difficult, but with the incremental garbage collector in a hot spot it's rarely an actual issue.
JDC: I'd like to see more tools that enhance developer productivity, we have Unified Modeling Language (UML) modeling tools, and wizards to help us generate code. Can we tie these together better?
JG: In some sense that kind of thing has been the goal of the NetBeansTM [software] Project from the beginning. The really interesting thing about NetBeans [software] is that it has an API for things like UML modeling tools and cogeneration wizards to fit together in the same platform. People have done a fair amount of this in the past and been quite successful.
JDC: What do you think is the most important area for students to study in order to be successful in the computer industry? Not just the Java technologies, but what other disciplines?
JG: Certainly there are a lot of various things that are generally called software engineering that you can find in all kinds of books, like the refactoring books, and some of the pattern books are very good. Personally, I think one of the areas that's really important to understand is algorithms and the analysis of algorithms. There's a lot that [subject] gives you in terms of insight about how things behave.
JDC: Why is Throwable not an interface? The name kind of suggests it should have been. Being able to catch for types, that is, something like try{}catch (), instead of only classes. That would make [the] Java [programming language] much more flexible.
JG: The reason that the Throwable and the rest of those guys are not interfaces is because we decided, or I decided fairly early on. I decided that I wanted to have some state associated with every exception that gets thrown. And you can't do that with interfaces; you can only do that with classes. The state that's there is basically standard. There's a message, there's a snapshot, stuff like that -- that's always there. and also, if you make Throwable an interface the temptation is to assign, to make any old object be a Throwable thing. It feels stylistically that throwing general objects is probably a bad idea, that the things you want to throw really ought to be things that are intended to be exceptions that really capture the nature of the exception and what went on. They're not just general data structures.
JDC: Is it possible to submit the Java [technology] bytecode specification to a standards body like ECMA [and the like]?
JG: Well, we actually tried to do that; to submit it to ECMA. And that exploded and turned into a rather bizarre episode. And actually, after that exploded, ECMA did an internal investigation and published a report, which is very interesting reading.
JDC: You mean, Sun wants Java on a short leash, and standardization doesn't allow that? Microsoft will wipe your [deleted] with the [C#] CLR.
Imagine if auto makers like Ford installed EULAs which you had to agree to before you could start the car for the first time. You had to agree to drive within certain speeds, keep it on paved roads, use only specified colors for repainting, not remove or alter the little Ford emblem on the front, and abstain from using any bumper stickers with political views that Ford didn't approve of
THIEF! You stole my analogy. Don't forget to add "The Eula doesn't come up until AFTER youve bought the car"
I mean, if you go in to buy a car. And the salesman says "You must agree to not allow ugly chicks in this car at anytime", this is all nice and legal. To add this requirement AFTER you buy the car is a bit wrong. Also, considering most of you fellows can only get ugly chicks, this would be especially bad for you.
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Guess what kind of stuff is the first to get cut from people's budget? Yep, overpriced crappy music.
Of course, many of you have no qualms about then downloading those "crappy" mp3's for free.
Now if artists could get their shit together and give the fans some support, we could probably make some headway against the record labels. Then they wouldn't be able to hide behind the "we're protecting the artists" bullshit.
If you want to stick it to the record labels, you're already doing well by downloading mp3's. Now, if you really care about musicians, go to mp3.com and buy some cd's from independent/unknown bands.
But i'm sure you linux geeks are too cheap to do that. You'ld rather have your music free much like your OS and everything else of course.
I don't see why. After all, everyone keeps saying how much they actually buy music they download on free P2P's. it seems like logically, they'd rather use a service like musicnet and actually go ahead and pay for the songs.
Except...ITS ALL A LIE YOU ALL WANT FREE MUSIC.
Which is fine. Just stop trying to BS us all with this "I try the music on P2P and then buy the cd's"
Mod up! +1 Insightful! +1 Tasty! +1 Tasty Nachos!
"they look tasty. You could say tasty"
"I think you just did"
Three cheers for tasty nachos and free chalupas!!
I am so sick of you people saying you actually used napster to "try before you buy". You know as well as I do you more than a handful of gigs of mp3's that you never have the intention of buying the album. If you truly belive in "try before you buy", delete all the mp3's you aren't going to buy in the store.
I bet you actually bought that copy of windows you use to play games on too, eh linux geeks?
"try before you buy"..haha this from the kings of free linux zealots. that's classic
sites like mp3.com are better for the musician. Fans can hand pick the music they like, musicians get paid, everyone is happy.....Except the record executives who have been shoving pre-canned bands down our throats for 40+ years.
Wired
The states released a June 2000 Microsoft e-mail that showed a plan for Microsoft's media player to play music files in proprietary formats by rivals RealNetworks and Apple.
"Remember the 'embrace and extend' campaigns we've used in the past," Microsoft employee Frasier Mocke wrote to colleagues, "and personally I want us to rule the airwaves."
Another Microsoft executive, Dave Foster, cut the discussion short: "No more replies," he wrote. "We need to keep all of this off the airwaves."
EMBRACE AND EXTEND!!!
EMBRACE AND EXTEND!!!
EMBRACE AND EXTEND!!!
EMBRACE AND EXTEND!!!
Resistance is Futile!
preach on brother. I was about set you as foe, as the old +1 long posts workaround still works. But it's just a band aid for a greater problem. It does not stop Ac's or new accounts
linuz zealots are my hoes.
PWP are shit. Kill all PWP trolls
Please, all AC's, form a jonestown and get started on mixing up the kool-aid.
Thanks
CLITS !
You are very correct. In fact, it seems to be a linux nerd you must have some IP knowledge. Unfortunately, there is more to networking than knowing TCP/IP and the various protocol suites that run on top. Even things as simplistic as understanding ethernet frames seems to escape the grasp of most linux nerd's understanding(actually, i'm not sure many of them even realize there are frame types other than ethernet II. Then again, they probably think ip runs over pixie dust.)
Oh by the way...youve been trolled, bitch
hahahaha
yes yes..He thought he was a networking god too..
hehe. I think I made him cry
"a thrilling ride" John Bantram of The Washington Times
"two thumbs and a forefinger up" Bob Ellis of Goats Need Love Too
"a wild trip.....into understanding the linux fad" James Coltran of The Midget Porn Review
speaking of linux zealots, i met one this weekend. He was very egotistical, as most linux zealots are. Being familiar only with arguing linux vs incompetent MCSE's, he was feeling a bit cocky....that is until i slammed down real networking knowledge through his little bitty head much like beating down a first level tech support geek(which, ironically, seem to be jobs filled by linux zealots)
for linux sucking!
and for AC's not getting fp.
i think you look preety in a dress
look he even logs off to make sure this offtopic side thread doesn't hurt his precious karma!!
haha he's like that guy who becomes a cop because he believes everyone should blindly follow all laws to the letter.
KARMA WHORE!!
ABOUT JAVATM TECHNOLOGY
An Interview with James Gosling
March 28, 2002 -- It happens a few times in life -- the chance to ask a question of an exceptional person who has contributed to the evolution of technology, and as a result, has significantly influenced many people. Members of the Java Developer ConnectionSM [(JDC) program] recently took this opportunity when the JDC posted a poll, "Ask James Gosling."
James Gosling, vice president and fellow at Sun Microsystems, also known as the "father" of the JavaTM programming language, created the original design of the language and implemented its original compiler and virtual machine. He is a recent contributor to the Real-time Specification for the Java platform, and is currently a researcher at Sun labs, where his primary interest is software development tools.
Gosling sat down with the JDC and answered some of the many questions received as a result of the poll. Read Gosling's insight into the future of Java technology and more.
JAVA DEVELOPER CONNECTION PROGRAM (JDC): If you could start again, would you make everything an object rather than the current int, boolean, byte, etc, viz-a-viz object disconnect?
JAMES GOSLING: No, actually I tend to go the other way, which is to say, a way to make classes behave more like primitives, so that they can be optimized and become extremely efficient, and maybe have a way to do autoboxing so that they sort of go back and forth between being objects. There are a lot of subtle problems around autoboxing that always make me nervous, and the big one being questions around identity.
JDC: The Java language adds features with every release, and this is generally good, but the whole thing is getting pretty large. If you could take a few things out, what would they be?
JG: The Java language actually doesn't add very many features. The Java language itself has been very, very stable, and relatively few things have actually been added in any release. What has really gone nuts is all the different APIs that are part of [the Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition,] J2SETM. And this question, in some sense, is unanswerable. It says, if you could take a few things out of [the] J2SE [platform], what would they be? One of the tragedies we have is that we've got so many customers and everything that is in the platform is critical to a pretty large group of customers. So, for any particular person, any particular developer, not all of [the] J2SE [platform] is going to matter. But for every developer, the slice of the platform that they care about is different. It's always a constant struggle to try to avoid putting things in. And actually, if I had to pick some API that I've never used - honest I've never used the [Java DataBase ConnectivityTM] JDBCTM APIs. I've never written a piece of code that used the database stuff. So, personally, you could delete [the] JDBC [API] from [the] J2SE [platform] and it would not affect any code that I've ever written. But lots of other people would be really upset.
JDC: Where do you see Java technology in the next five years?
JG: I think the most interesting trend that's going on right now is the sort of really pervasive use of Java technology in all kinds of interesting places that are on the edges of the network. A lot of the infrastructure stuff that is in the enterprise has gotten really well established, but there is a lot of upcoming stuff in the way that people use Java technology in sort of embedded systems; things like cell phones, automobiles, realtime systems that are getting pretty interesting and giving people this ability to build systems in an end-to-end way that I think is getting very compelling.
JDC: About realtime: This developer is building some kind of ship simulation...I am writing a ship maneuvering simulator. It should simulate the trajectory of a ship and present its view to the user in approximately real time. Do I need to use the reference implementation of the realtime spec?
JG: I would say not. If you are doing simulation at all, that's not what the realtime spec is about. The realtime spec is about doing things predictably with very exact timing. And so, the hard part of this question is not the actual simulation part -- because that's not really relative to realtime -- but the display of the trajectory of the ship on the screen. And boy, every ship I've ever seen moves pretty slowly.
The stuff that's in the Java [platform] realtime specification is really only important if your timing constraints are very tight: if you are down in the sort of regime where you can't tolerate delays of more than a millisecond or so. With most things that people do in the Java programming language, you can just do regular Java [technology] code on a regular Java VM, and you'll be pretty close to realtime. Certainly within seconds and almost always within tenths to hundredths of seconds, you will be accurate. Things around garbage collection can become difficult, but with the incremental garbage collector in a hot spot it's rarely an actual issue.
JDC: I'd like to see more tools that enhance developer productivity, we have Unified Modeling Language (UML) modeling tools, and wizards to help us generate code. Can we tie these together better?
JG: In some sense that kind of thing has been the goal of the NetBeansTM [software] Project from the beginning. The really interesting thing about NetBeans [software] is that it has an API for things like UML modeling tools and cogeneration wizards to fit together in the same platform. People have done a fair amount of this in the past and been quite successful.
JDC: What do you think is the most important area for students to study in order to be successful in the computer industry? Not just the Java technologies, but what other disciplines?
JG: Certainly there are a lot of various things that are generally called software engineering that you can find in all kinds of books, like the refactoring books, and some of the pattern books are very good. Personally, I think one of the areas that's really important to understand is algorithms and the analysis of algorithms. There's a lot that [subject] gives you in terms of insight about how things behave.
JDC: Why is Throwable not an interface? The name kind of suggests it should have been. Being able to catch for types, that is, something like try{}catch (), instead of only classes. That would make [the] Java [programming language] much more flexible.
JG: The reason that the Throwable and the rest of those guys are not interfaces is because we decided, or I decided fairly early on. I decided that I wanted to have some state associated with every exception that gets thrown. And you can't do that with interfaces; you can only do that with classes. The state that's there is basically standard. There's a message, there's a snapshot, stuff like that -- that's always there. and also, if you make Throwable an interface the temptation is to assign, to make any old object be a Throwable thing. It feels stylistically that throwing general objects is probably a bad idea, that the things you want to throw really ought to be things that are intended to be exceptions that really capture the nature of the exception and what went on. They're not just general data structures.
JDC: Is it possible to submit the Java [technology] bytecode specification to a standards body like ECMA [and the like]?
JG: Well, we actually tried to do that; to submit it to ECMA. And that exploded and turned into a rather bizarre episode. And actually, after that exploded, ECMA did an internal investigation and published a report, which is very interesting reading.
JDC: You mean, Sun wants Java on a short leash, and standardization doesn't allow that? Microsoft will wipe your [deleted] with the [C#] CLR.
JG: [delete] you!
haha yeah there's even a parody site called "SUNny in Jamestown"
HAHA you got trolled twice. You're so naive. I love this place.
I love it when guys use the "umm" tag to make it look like somehow they are intellectually superiour.
I also love when they use names like L1nUx H4x0r. Please go back to your #hax0r efent chatroom, little boy, and leave grown up land to the rest of us.
I'm just suprised you didn't also abbrevia Microsoft as M$. Then you would have fully fit the stereotype.
Linux zealots cry cry cry, while some of us continue to take advantage the system. You are my slave, you just don't realize it.
"They look tasty. You could say tasty"
"I think you just did. Buy Buy"
That chick turns me on. I want to bang bang bang her, slit her throat, and dump her body in a shallow pit.
99% of the time it's because you were the one going the fastest in the left-hand lan
You sir are incorrect. 60% of the time it's because you are male, an ugly woman, and/or a racial minority/foreigner.
the other 35% include hot chicks, who were pulled over solely so the cop could check them out, and allow them to "talk" their way out of a ticket.
the last 5% are senior citizens, aliens from other planets, animals, and churches.
Imagine if auto makers like Ford installed EULAs which you had to agree to before you could start the car for the first time. You had to agree to drive within certain speeds, keep it on paved roads, use only specified colors for repainting, not remove or alter the little Ford emblem on the front, and abstain from using any bumper stickers with political views that Ford didn't approve of
THIEF! You stole my analogy. Don't forget to add "The Eula doesn't come up until AFTER youve bought the car"
I mean, if you go in to buy a car. And the salesman says "You must agree to not allow ugly chicks in this car at anytime", this is all nice and legal. To add this requirement AFTER you buy the car is a bit wrong. Also, considering most of you fellows can only get ugly chicks, this would be especially bad for you.
Ah fuck i've just been trolled. Good job Dr Kool, you fuckhead
At least it wasnt an AC.
b) I don't have a Windows machine around to test it. They crash too much, and the software which makes them useful tends to come with crappy EULAs.
:)
c) See b)
I love reading linux zealot lies. You know all you fools have windows machines or partitions to play the games you can't get on linux.
Fool yourselves all you want, linux geeks, you don't fool the rest of us.