I believe capcom uses this technique on their boards. The problem is, batteries tend to die over time and at some point the key is lost due to age. (3 years?) The manufacturer will generally fix the system.
However, this encryption method was eventually defeated. The guys were originally doing it to get the old capcom rom's off, but found out they could decrypt the newer games too.
At the time, they decided not to release their findings, as they were a classic rom shop and didn't want to destroy the technique for newer arcades.
I believe the group was decrypting the roms and released those, but eventually someone gave out the material.
I gave up following the story when they said they cracked it, but ethical reasons kept them from giving away the information.
Anyhow, with battery backed up stuff, the trick is to provide power before disconnecting the battery.
No, captain midnight pointed another uplink at hbo's sat. He just had the same guns as the big boys, but he wasn't turning their own equipment against them.
1. Offending material is found by Corporate Industry. I'm sure it has been completely verified (sarcasm)
2. Corps contact the ISP and acquire the users information.
3. Corps have internet access disabled.
4 Now, they issue a letter directly to the offending party detailing what has happened.
It is then up to the offender to apologize, say never ever to do it again, and then access is re-enabled by the ISP. (Corps issue the re-activation order)
I've witnessed this both with Earthlink's dial-up customers and Adelphia's broadband customers.
Allegation is a powerful tool... I would love to see this performed against the RIAA's and MPAA's own people.
The problem I have these rampant code theft claims goes back to an original flaw in the type of theft. It is freely open source and anyone can audit the code.
I can't believe anyone would do something so terribly stupid as to thieve code and release under the gpl.
Conspiracy theorists can chime in and say... unless they wanted to be caught.
I will not believe it until I see. I refuse to fuel the machine;)
QNX dropped out of the PC market to pursue their embedded market. They never really dented the PC market and they WERE very much attempting it. QNX citrix servers, tablet PC's, and the full installation disk with lotsa of tools. I do believe it had a great deal of GNU tools available on the cd (but I might be wrong).
The installation CD was a compressed install that extracted to about a gig worth of junk. They did this really neat trick and if it supported your hardware did a blazing fast full install.
Just because they never made it, gave up, and went on to do something they were really good at... doesn't mean it didn't happen.
They were selling these buggers as thin clients, along with NT integration tools for app servers.
I do believe it is made for PC's. (It at least was at one time)
It also happens to have a nice niche in the embedded market as well.
At an embedded systems conference, a while ago, the QNX guys showed me tablet pc's, citrix servers, remote X stuffs and my favorite at the time... the QNX port of quake. The quake port was a little buggy and I don't believe their system had sound support on or no speakers.
We chatted, grabbed the install floppies (2 or 3 at the time), and got some cards.
All in all, it was one of the better booths to visit.
With the advant of such new technologies, I fear many people will find their jobs automated.
Rat catchers, while not such a profession of pride, will now have a hard time finding work once this goes mainstream.
This device is a boon to the rat catcher industry and I would like to personally convey my feelings of grief for those who will now feel the boone new technology brings to their job market.
Joe Bob, a rat catcher since 12, had this to say: "Damn, Pa' always tol me and my brother we was chasin a pipe dream. I knewd I shoulda listened and hopped onto the IT market." (IT standing for Interstate Trucker)
Joe Bob, already forseeing the doomed market, has decided to persue his dreams and earning his MSCE certifications.
So far they are claiming that Linux sales are hurting SCO sales. That is where the inflated 1 Billion dollar suite originates from. Loss of sales, not just royalties.
It would seem to me, they would have to demonstrate A LOT of code was stolen in critical areas to show the Linux kernel really couldn't do well without their code.
Of course, that is of course determining this is their code to begin with. Then determining where the actual code came from.
It isn't just about proving code was indeed stolen, its about proving enough code was stolen to really shake up SCO sales. Then how much sales is really attributed to performance. Microsoft has proven that making the sale isn't just about code worthiness. (Probably a bad example using a monopoly, but other companies make the sale without perfect software)
Sounds rather fishy...
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Not having the benefit of seeing the code I'll have to assumme these comments are fairly overwhelming evidence wise.
If you knowingly copy code, into a product that can be viewed by potentially millions, wouldn't you at least try to make it not resemble the original work.
Yes, it is easy to catch the lazy cheaters, but if put some effort in it then it should be a little more difficult then running grep.
I'm sure there are bound to be similarities here and there, coders no doubt ran into the same problems working on the same platform, but apparently these grievances were enough to goto court over.
Obviously, we can surmise they understand their work enough to copy kernel code, so we know the individuals were at least someone intelligent.
So, having in mind how code theft works, it doesn't make sense for something as obvious as a comment to stick around unless someone wanted to get caught.
I hear that sort of thing already happens. Guilds camping monster spawn locations, chasing off anyone who comes near a precious point and otherwise hoarding the wealth to themselves or social affiliate.
Experience and coinage are the wealth and monsters are the local resources.
If I see one more article concerning SCO I think it is time for some serious action.
Here is the plan to circumvent this little problem we have here.
Let us gather the horde together under a full moons light. There we will prepare our torches, clubs and rocks for use against the evil. Under cover of night and hopefully cover of some heavy DoS attacks we will put a stop to this nemsis once and for all.
The horde shall run through the corporate offices as the waters rush over the land after the damn has broken. The cleansing will continue until the last soulless vessel breathes its last breath.
Only until all has been removed will the horde disband. Pillaging will be permitted only in designated raid areas.
Damn, the MPAA has seriously messed with Intel's executive committee. I can just envision a whole slew of region specific software titles and pricing schemes.
An MPAA exec was quoted earlier, "It isn't like we even have to make sense with these decisions anymore. Humanity has been given a drink with a few mickeys and were about to take them to the bedroom for a night of uninhibited drunken flurry of ass reaming!"
Intel spokesmen were not available for comment as they still seemed to be woozy from the night before.
There are also used oil burners too. You can do a google search if interested.
The primary problem with all of these things is there isn't exactly enough fuel to go around. Sure there will be a niche market, but there isn't enough fuel in mass to really serve the populous.
I just can't wait to install my new Mr. Fusion though. It makes BioDiesel and Used Oil burners look like a match.
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Dear Dr. Zaius,
Regarding the new devices we uncovered... I see these as the perfect tool in which to launch nets to catch those pesky humans. While the original design was not intended for this we believe it will be trivial to adjust the units.
Current technologies are begining to waiver in effectiveness and just last week we had one rude human scream out some babble along the lines of "You damned dirty apes".
It is a shame, but people have problems on occassion.
Me, peronsonally, I haven't had a problem with the RH installers since 6.0 and even then it wasn't a problem I could not work around.
I always have a few friends who have some odd hardware configurations and get around to trying a RH install on occassion and sometimes they are happy and sometimes not. Last night, a friend of mine came to me and was fairly happy everything went OK right out of the box.
I'm still scratching my head on how his foobarred his RH8 install as we both have the exact same laptops. (My install went flawlessly with rh8 and upgrade to 9)
So yeah, there are success stories and there are failure stories, that is just life. Now doing something about the failure stories is a whole other thread.;)
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This was defeated.
I believe capcom uses this technique on their boards. The problem is, batteries tend to die over time and at some point the key is lost due to age. (3 years?) The manufacturer will generally fix the system.
However, this encryption method was eventually defeated. The guys were originally doing it to get the old capcom rom's off, but found out they could decrypt the newer games too.
At the time, they decided not to release their findings, as they were a classic rom shop and didn't want to destroy the technique for newer arcades.
I believe the group was decrypting the roms and released those, but eventually someone gave out the material.
I gave up following the story when they said they cracked it, but ethical reasons kept them from giving away the information.
Anyhow, with battery backed up stuff, the trick is to provide power before disconnecting the battery.
No, captain midnight pointed another uplink at hbo's sat. He just had the same guns as the big boys, but he wasn't turning their own equipment against them.
Mmmmm,
Slow roasted, just the way I like it.
We also do this with our 802.11b ap's that run multiple floors up. There is a signficantly better signal pickup at the roof then our lower floor.
It allows us to not worry about wiring as well as providing remote reboots if the unit hard locks. Though we have never had to use the latter anytime.
Funny,
This isn't what is happening though...
Here is the run down as I have witnessed it..
1. Offending material is found by Corporate Industry. I'm sure it has been completely verified (sarcasm)
2. Corps contact the ISP and acquire the users information.
3. Corps have internet access disabled.
4 Now, they issue a letter directly to the offending party detailing what has happened.
It is then up to the offender to apologize, say never ever to do it again, and then access is re-enabled by the ISP. (Corps issue the re-activation order)
I've witnessed this both with Earthlink's dial-up customers and Adelphia's broadband customers.
Allegation is a powerful tool... I would love to see this performed against the RIAA's and MPAA's own people.
Whole programs?
;)
The problem I have these rampant code theft claims goes back to an original flaw in the type of theft. It is freely open source and anyone can audit the code.
I can't believe anyone would do something so terribly stupid as to thieve code and release under the gpl.
Conspiracy theorists can chime in and say... unless they wanted to be caught.
I will not believe it until I see. I refuse to fuel the machine
QNX dropped out of the PC market to pursue their embedded market. They never really dented the PC market and they WERE very much attempting it. QNX citrix servers, tablet PC's, and the full installation disk with lotsa of tools. I do believe it had a great deal of GNU tools available on the cd (but I might be wrong).
The installation CD was a compressed install that extracted to about a gig worth of junk. They did this really neat trick and if it supported your hardware did a blazing fast full install.
Just because they never made it, gave up, and went on to do something they were really good at... doesn't mean it didn't happen.
They were selling these buggers as thin clients, along with NT integration tools for app servers.
Ran on the PC == PC OS in my book.
So wrong!
;)
Linux cannot force you to bang your head against the monitor in the same manner QNX does!
Geez, so hypocritical
I do believe it is made for PC's. (It at least was at one time)
It also happens to have a nice niche in the embedded market as well.
At an embedded systems conference, a while ago, the QNX guys showed me tablet pc's, citrix servers, remote X stuffs and my favorite at the time... the QNX port of quake. The quake port was a little buggy and I don't believe their system had sound support on or no speakers.
We chatted, grabbed the install floppies (2 or 3 at the time), and got some cards.
All in all, it was one of the better booths to visit.
With the advant of such new technologies, I fear many people will find their jobs automated.
Rat catchers, while not such a profession of pride, will now have a hard time finding work once this goes mainstream.
This device is a boon to the rat catcher industry and I would like to personally convey my feelings of grief for those who will now feel the boone new technology brings to their job market.
Joe Bob, a rat catcher since 12, had this to say: "Damn, Pa' always tol me and my brother we was chasin a pipe dream. I knewd I shoulda listened and hopped onto the IT market." (IT standing for Interstate Trucker)
Joe Bob, already forseeing the doomed market, has decided to persue his dreams and earning his MSCE certifications.
Truely a sad day.
Those were all several great movies I remember enjoying that no one seemed to really hear of (besides the python flicks)
Then again, I was a couch potatoe, but I've been reformed since then!
No gringer,
What I'm saying, is when that time comes, you won't have to.
(because you will probably dead from the all the rat tat tat of the urban terrorists uzi emptying into your chest)
A file server(s) would probably be a less costly, less time consuming idea.
Just make sure people know how to get to it and provide a couple of methods of entry. SMB, FTP, HTTP, etc....
A few cd's for the completely inept to pass around would be a good backup.
I have a friend who manages a decent sized and growing farm of systems.
He purchased AS for a new system that came in and apparently some bugs with lilo cropped up.
In the end, not too terribly long of a wait, they sent him a patched version of lilo so he could boot off his controller.
I'm not sure who else does this, but on that day we both agreed RH AS engineers do kick much ass.
So far they are claiming that Linux sales are hurting SCO sales. That is where the inflated 1 Billion dollar suite originates from. Loss of sales, not just royalties.
It would seem to me, they would have to demonstrate A LOT of code was stolen in critical areas to show the Linux kernel really couldn't do well without their code.
Of course, that is of course determining this is their code to begin with. Then determining where the actual code came from.
It isn't just about proving code was indeed stolen, its about proving enough code was stolen to really shake up SCO sales. Then how much sales is really attributed to performance. Microsoft has proven that making the sale isn't just about code worthiness. (Probably a bad example using a monopoly, but other companies make the sale without perfect software)
Not having the benefit of seeing the code I'll have to assumme these comments are fairly overwhelming evidence wise.
If you knowingly copy code, into a product that can be viewed by potentially millions, wouldn't you at least try to make it not resemble the original work.
Yes, it is easy to catch the lazy cheaters, but if put some effort in it then it should be a little more difficult then running grep.
I'm sure there are bound to be similarities here and there, coders no doubt ran into the same problems working on the same platform, but apparently these grievances were enough to goto court over.
Obviously, we can surmise they understand their work enough to copy kernel code, so we know the individuals were at least someone intelligent.
So, having in mind how code theft works, it doesn't make sense for something as obvious as a comment to stick around unless someone wanted to get caught.
Just my 1/100th of the american dollar.
Um,
I hear that sort of thing already happens. Guilds camping monster spawn locations, chasing off anyone who comes near a precious point and otherwise hoarding the wealth to themselves or social affiliate.
Experience and coinage are the wealth and monsters are the local resources.
Control the resources, control the community...
If I see one more article concerning SCO I think it is time for some serious action.
Here is the plan to circumvent this little problem we have here.
Let us gather the horde together under a full moons light. There we will prepare our torches, clubs and rocks for use against the evil. Under cover of night and hopefully cover of some heavy DoS attacks we will put a stop to this nemsis once and for all.
The horde shall run through the corporate offices as the waters rush over the land after the damn has broken. The cleansing will continue until the last soulless vessel breathes its last breath.
Only until all has been removed will the horde disband. Pillaging will be permitted only in designated raid areas.
It will be glorious!
*region support*
Damn, the MPAA has seriously messed with Intel's executive committee. I can just envision a whole slew of region specific software titles and pricing schemes.
An MPAA exec was quoted earlier, "It isn't like we even have to make sense with these decisions anymore. Humanity has been given a drink with a few mickeys and were about to take them to the bedroom for a night of uninhibited drunken flurry of ass reaming!"
Intel spokesmen were not available for comment as they still seemed to be woozy from the night before.
You do realise this kind of advancement would not be possible with out assistance from highly successful companies like SC...
Hrm...
"Shit, spaceballs, there goes the planet" --apes
Just kidding!
There are also used oil burners too. You can do a google search if interested.
The primary problem with all of these things is there isn't exactly enough fuel to go around. Sure there will be a niche market, but there isn't enough fuel in mass to really serve the populous.
I just can't wait to install my new Mr. Fusion though. It makes BioDiesel and Used Oil burners look like a match.
Dear Dr. Zaius,
Regarding the new devices we uncovered... I see these as the perfect tool in which to launch nets to catch those pesky humans. While the original design was not intended for this we believe it will be trivial to adjust the units.
Current technologies are begining to waiver in effectiveness and just last week we had one rude human scream out some babble along the lines of "You damned dirty apes".
Thanks,
Dr. Itchy
Human Catching Services
It is a shame, but people have problems on occassion.
;)
Me, peronsonally, I haven't had a problem with the RH installers since 6.0 and even then it wasn't a problem I could not work around.
I always have a few friends who have some odd hardware configurations and get around to trying a RH install on occassion and sometimes they are happy and sometimes not. Last night, a friend of mine came to me and was fairly happy everything went OK right out of the box.
I'm still scratching my head on how his foobarred his RH8 install as we both have the exact same laptops. (My install went flawlessly with rh8 and upgrade to 9)
So yeah, there are success stories and there are failure stories, that is just life. Now doing something about the failure stories is a whole other thread.
Coke does sell 12 packs for 2$
About every few weeks its fairly easy to find a deal at the local franchise grocer here.
Pepsi does the same thing.
I usually stock up when prices fall.
It can and does happen, competition will see to that.