IR seems to be the first thing people get when they're working with things that produce light. I believe IR LEDs were the first LEDs, and IR lasers were the first light emitting lasers.
Second, I love this. They don't even have a THEORY on why this works. It just does.
Third, If they get it working in the visible light spectrum, they'll have a bulb that's SIXTEEN time more powerful than tungsten bulb.
That's one hell of a flashlight. I'll call mine "Little Boy". I promise to only use it in self defense. And to start small fires.
It's probable there is ice on the moon, which could be used to produce water, or hydrogen for rocket fuel.
Does it bother anyone else that we don't know if the moon, the closest celestial body, has water on it? People keep on talking about Mars, but our track record with the moon is pretty shabby.
My point [since you missed it] was that to make a gammers card "better" you have to optimized what is most used. Sure enough ram is a requirement but a fast GPU is a stronger one.
How do you figure? What's most used is already being optimized, and you've already said it's fast enough in previous posts. Now my point is that you have to improve the biggest bottlenecks to get the best performance out of a card. Loading a file from disk instead of the card's memory is a HUGE bottleneck.
And I understand you can reuse textures.
Yes, I understand gameplay is vital to a good game, but improving gameplay is beyond the capibilities of any graphics card, so dragging out this point time and time again is pointless!
An octet? Where do you come from? It's called a byte. 8 bits to a byte. Alot of your other points are friggin moot. I mean 200fps? Well lets see. My monitor is at 75hz so 200fps is kinda a waste.
So then why do you want the memory to be even FASTER? That was your whole freakin argument!
Also I'd rather pay for good game play than graphics. Sure graphics set the mood but games with decent graphics already exist. Just by slapping on new graphics and textures and models doesn't make new games more interesting.
Well no kidding. And I'd like to win a million dollars. But neither of these statements have anything to do with what we're talking about. The useful memory size for video cards
Also, if you write a game that needs more than 3000 textures at a time you a very bad game designer. I mean looking around my room I can see that I can make a fairly decent reproduction with say a few hundred textures and good use of lighting/shading.
I'm glad you agree with me. Just one room would require several hundred textures; imagine a game with a hundred indoor rooms, and then outdoor settings on top of that.
Textures are just BMP files. To calculate the size of a BMP file you times the height, by the width, by the color depth.
I looked up a texture tutorial to make sure. They said you had to reduce your texture to 256 colors.
Why are you using 128? Why did you SQRT the calculation? 16bpp? I had to look that up; you mean 16 bit color, right?
That's 1024*768*16 = 12,582,912 bits
Divide that by 8 (Which I forgot to do in the first post) and you get 1,572,864 bytes.
Divide that by 1024 and you get 1,536 K, or 1.5 Meg per frame.
Cards can already do 200fps in Quake, but in my EQ example the rendering actually STOPS as the machine tries to load up the textures from the drive. Why do you need the card to load fewer objects from memory any faster?
The ability to load 10 times as many objects at the same rate as we have now is far more valuable. Games will have more detail in the future, which means more objects. Let's put my future card up against yours.
My Card has 512 Meg of memory.
Your card, has 64 Meg, but uses the textures in the memory 10 times as fast.
The future game: Has 10 times as many objects on the screen. Players are stunned by the details of the scenery, their vehicles, and the other people walking around in the game. It's almost lifelike.
My card: Is completely filled with textures. From 10 types of grass, to 500 types of human model textures.
Your Card: Is far faster at rendering a scene, but every time you turn around and see something that uses a texture that isn't in the card's memory, your screen stutters as it tries to load the texture from your hard drive. It stutters a lot.
If you still don't see my point, let's ask a real game developer. I'd be happy to try and contact Verant and find out what they think. I'm sure they've been thinking about this problem a LOT with their new Star Wars MMORPG.
PS, you're right, I miscalculated in the first post, instead of 34,358,329,600 bytes, it would have been bits. Divide that number by 8 to get bytes, and then divide by 1024 to get 4,194,132k
Hey there Mr. Hostile, when your first post mentions only ONE thing that the card could keep in memory, it was easy to assume that you were ignorant.
For instance, an 11585*11585 texture would not fit into memory. That's ignorance.
And seeing how you're bitching me out in a public forum without checking your math, well, that's stupidity.
Assuming 256 colors, that's
11,585*11,585*256 = 34,358,329,600 bytes
roughly 32 GIG.
As to what could possibly use all that space, Everquest. Try walking into an area that has a bunch of nearby. You machine should slow to a crawl as all the textures get loaded, and unloaded, and loaded again.
"Ok, now we need a full set of textures for this new metal we've come up with, Bozium. It looks different than the brass, iron, rusted iron, steel, gold, platinum, admantium, or bone. So we'll need a new set of generic textures for boots, gloves, daggers, swords, axes, shields (Small, med and large) helmets, breastplates, chain mail, and, er, magic pants."
"Don't forget the specialty textures for those 'one of a kind' weapons and armor we'll be creating with this new metal."
Memory is mainly taken up by textures. You know, it how you see things in 3-D games.
I don't see the memory requirements going down in the near future. As graphics become more detailed and game programmers put more objects into the game, the memory requirements of textures will continue to rise.
You didn't cut merchandise because of any altrustic reason. You reduced the production of "Cheap plastic crap" because it wasn't selling as much as you thought it would.
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I'm looking at an article right now from 1999 that gives 32.3% efficency. Lets say 33% becuase I'm lazy.
At 33% you only need to cover 3% of the surface. To get both sides you need a total of 6%.
I don't see why you have to add 5% because not every portion of the surface is suitable for placing panels. That won't take up more area, just more work.
So lets say, by the time we actually have the resources to do this sort of thing, the improvements in solar cell tech have improved to cancel out the transmission losses. Ta da, 6%.
Do you realize how impossible that is? Whatever set of rules you come up with, MS will find a way around them while sticking to the letter of the agreement.
Or heck, maybe just ignore it. Like anything is going to happen to them.
You think I was borned with silver spoon in my mouth ?
Actually, I think it's been lodged in your brain from all those self-empowerment books you've been reading. My parents raised me on this crap, I recognise it a mile away.
You think I never suffer any financial setbacks ?!
This is not a setback. I am poor. I've always BEEN poor. There are no reserve cash deposits to tap. No rich friends or relatives to borrow from.
I'm not complaining, I'm telling you that I don't have any wiggle room when it comes to starting my own business. I was counting on getting a real job after going back to college and getting my degree.
I never let my creditors or my present income prevent me from doing what I want to do, especially, if that thing is what I _REALLY_ want to do.
Ok, please let me know what I really want to do. The problem is, even though I have a broad range of life experience and computer experence, my working experence with computers has been limited to an internship and some part-time work. How am I to know what I really want to do from that? I need more exposure to a working enviroment, and I need to work with people more experienced than I.
Doing temp jobs is TRANSITIONAL thing, it's NOT permanent. Your sight should not stay within the limit of your nose, rather, you should look BEYOND THE HORIZON.
Looking to the future is great and all, but I live in the here and now. Look, I've been "Paying my dues" for the express purpose of having a better life, later in life. I'm sick of it. My dues have been paid YEARS ago. I refuse to go to one more damn training class until I get some results from the investments I've already made in myself.
I mean, this is YOUR LIFE, you get to decide to do with YOUR LIFE. And if you think it's better to WASTE your life on satisfying your creditors' needs, then your life will be just that... - you live NOT for yourself but for your creditors.
Uh, those creditors paid for my food and heat when I couldn't even find a Temp job. I am living for myself, but picking up the habit of screwing over people who lend you money is a "Bad thing".
And another thing, STARTING a business does NOT cost millions, if you know how to do it.
Does it cost a thousand? A hundred? I can't afford that. The money is going for food and rent.
How about time and effort? When exactly should I talk to my customers, while I'm working in the warehouse in my temp job? I know, After a day of manual labor, I'll come home refreshed and productive and bang out the next great program!
My advise to you and to all - PLEASE STOP BEHAVING LIKE THE REST (99.999%) OF THEM, because you just ain't them !
I've noticed. They couldn't modify an excel spreadsheet without help, but They are still employeed.
Use what you have - your skill, your talent, your will to success, and start doing whatever it is necessary to re-make your life.
Get it though your extraordinary thick skull. Whatever "Changes" I do will require me talking to clients which I can't do because I'm working my ass off in temp jobs just to scrape by.
Worst come the worst - and I am NOT recommending it, this is just for educational purpose - RUN AWAY FROM YOUR CREDITORS, RUN TO ANOTHER COUNTRY, AND START AFRESH !
Heh, run away from the most technologically advanced country in the world, and my skills are technical. Life is a game of odds, and the odds are best here. Also, I don't run away.
After all, whichever country you re-start your life, IT IS STILL YOUR LIFE !
There are LOTS OF PLACES in this world - and there are places in the world where YOUR TALENT and what you know STILL MATTERS A LOT !
Then why are the techs in those countries moving HERE?
If you can't do it in the States, go to China or Bangladesh or Turkey or wherever, where the NEED for your skill is TREMENDOUS, and THEY WILL PAY for what you know !
I'm starting to wonder if this is a troll.
Trust me - I am speaking from experience - NOT the run away thing, but go OUT of the States to FIND PARADISE elsewhere thing.
You know, a story on how you became successful would be far more inspirational than all that BS you've been spouting.
Hey, I'm just telling you what I read. They've been saying that there's normally a really bad month or two, and then things adjust and start going back up.
Growth can go down, businesses are hiring. Mutually exclusive?
It would be nice to just create my own job, but when you're scraping by on temp jobs and avoiding creditors, you can't.
Look, the deal was, I do good in school, graduate, and then I could get a job. If I knew it was going to be like this I'd of dropped out of H.S. and started working on my own.
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IR seems to be the first thing people get when they're working with things that produce light. I believe IR LEDs were the first LEDs, and IR lasers were the first light emitting lasers.
Second, I love this. They don't even have a THEORY on why this works. It just does.
Third, If they get it working in the visible light spectrum, they'll have a bulb that's SIXTEEN time more powerful than tungsten bulb.
That's one hell of a flashlight. I'll call mine "Little Boy". I promise to only use it in self defense. And to start small fires.
Yes, I understand the probe thing. But my original point was that we don't know if there is water on the moon. And it's sitting RIGHT THERE.
And the mining of moon rocks for Oxygen to mix with Hydrogen (probably H3)...has anyone tried this? Or is this just a theory?
I've already read all that stuff. I'm a proponent for colonies on the moon. However, all they really detected was Hydrogen.
Yes, it's an indicator that there should be water on the moon. But would you bet your life on it?
I wouldn't.
Does it bother anyone else that we don't know if the moon, the closest celestial body, has water on it? People keep on talking about Mars, but our track record with the moon is pretty shabby.
I'm not one of those people, but I still cringe when I think of a nuclear rocket being managed by a government agency.
Does don't work on depressed kids. Or kids who know they have nothing to begin with, and that everything they have can be taken away at any time.
I tried looking up what "DLP" stood for, but all I could find are online stores selling DLP projectors.
What does DLP stand for?
Oh dear god, a driver can inherit all the crap of another buggy driver?
Nope. And you can still be an idiot at math and make far more money than the jealous guy who's a math wiz.
Your conclusion should be obvious then. Besides, I've never heard of a degree in English as "The road to riches."
Robots.txt can be used to block out Google. Or the can just block Google's range of IPs.
The survival of Gamespy depends on bringing in some cash. I think they're going to put a little effort into it.
How do you figure? What's most used is already being optimized, and you've already said it's fast enough in previous posts. Now my point is that you have to improve the biggest bottlenecks to get the best performance out of a card. Loading a file from disk instead of the card's memory is a HUGE bottleneck.
And I understand you can reuse textures.
Yes, I understand gameplay is vital to a good game, but improving gameplay is beyond the capibilities of any graphics card, so dragging out this point time and time again is pointless!
Alot of your other points are friggin moot. I mean 200fps? Well lets see. My monitor is at 75hz so 200fps is kinda a waste.
So then why do you want the memory to be even FASTER? That was your whole freakin argument!
Also I'd rather pay for good game play than graphics. Sure graphics set the mood but games with decent graphics already exist. Just by slapping on new graphics and textures and models doesn't make new games more interesting.
Well no kidding. And I'd like to win a million dollars. But neither of these statements have anything to do with what we're talking about. The useful memory size for video cards
Also, if you write a game that needs more than 3000 textures at a time you a very bad game designer. I mean looking around my room I can see that I can make a fairly decent reproduction with say a few hundred textures and good use of lighting/shading.
I'm glad you agree with me. Just one room would require several hundred textures; imagine a game with a hundred indoor rooms, and then outdoor settings on top of that.
"Um where does that 256 come from?
Textures are just BMP files. To calculate the size of a BMP file you times the height, by the width, by the color depth.
I looked up a texture tutorial to make sure. They said you had to reduce your texture to 256 colors.
Why are you using 128? Why did you SQRT the calculation? 16bpp? I had to look that up; you mean 16 bit color, right?
That's 1024*768*16 = 12,582,912 bits
Divide that by 8 (Which I forgot to do in the first post) and you get 1,572,864 bytes.
Divide that by 1024 and you get 1,536 K, or 1.5 Meg per frame.
Cards can already do 200fps in Quake, but in my EQ example the rendering actually STOPS as the machine tries to load up the textures from the drive. Why do you need the card to load fewer objects from memory any faster?
The ability to load 10 times as many objects at the same rate as we have now is far more valuable. Games will have more detail in the future, which means more objects. Let's put my future card up against yours.
My Card has 512 Meg of memory.
Your card, has 64 Meg, but uses the textures in the memory 10 times as fast.
The future game: Has 10 times as many objects on the screen. Players are stunned by the details of the scenery, their vehicles, and the other people walking around in the game. It's almost lifelike.
My card: Is completely filled with textures. From 10 types of grass, to 500 types of human model textures.
Your Card: Is far faster at rendering a scene, but every time you turn around and see something that uses a texture that isn't in the card's memory, your screen stutters as it tries to load the texture from your hard drive. It stutters a lot.
If you still don't see my point, let's ask a real game developer. I'd be happy to try and contact Verant and find out what they think. I'm sure they've been thinking about this problem a LOT with their new Star Wars MMORPG.
PS, you're right, I miscalculated in the first post, instead of 34,358,329,600 bytes, it would have been bits. Divide that number by 8 to get bytes, and then divide by 1024 to get 4,194,132k
Or 4 Gig.
Hey there Mr. Hostile, when your first post mentions only ONE thing that the card could keep in memory, it was easy to assume that you were ignorant.
For instance, an 11585*11585 texture would not fit into memory. That's ignorance.
And seeing how you're bitching me out in a public forum without checking your math, well, that's stupidity.
Assuming 256 colors, that's
11,585*11,585*256 = 34,358,329,600 bytes
roughly 32 GIG.
As to what could possibly use all that space, Everquest. Try walking into an area that has a bunch of nearby. You machine should slow to a crawl as all the textures get loaded, and unloaded, and loaded again.
"Ok, now we need a full set of textures for this new metal we've come up with, Bozium. It looks different than the brass, iron, rusted iron, steel, gold, platinum, admantium, or bone. So we'll need a new set of generic textures for boots, gloves, daggers, swords, axes, shields (Small, med and large) helmets, breastplates, chain mail, and, er, magic pants."
"Don't forget the specialty textures for those 'one of a kind' weapons and armor we'll be creating with this new metal."
Memory is mainly taken up by textures. You know, it how you see things in 3-D games.
I don't see the memory requirements going down in the near future. As graphics become more detailed and game programmers put more objects into the game, the memory requirements of textures will continue to rise.
You didn't cut merchandise because of any altrustic reason. You reduced the production of "Cheap plastic crap" because it wasn't selling as much as you thought it would.
I'm looking at an article right now from 1999 that gives 32.3% efficency. Lets say 33% becuase I'm lazy.
At 33% you only need to cover 3% of the surface. To get both sides you need a total of 6%.
I don't see why you have to add 5% because not every portion of the surface is suitable for placing panels. That won't take up more area, just more work.
So lets say, by the time we actually have the resources to do this sort of thing, the improvements in solar cell tech have improved to cancel out the transmission losses. Ta da, 6%.
Sheesh. Pessimist.
Stop being all reasonable. You've ruined a perfectly good rightuous rant. :)
Thanks.
Do you realize how impossible that is? Whatever set of rules you come up with, MS will find a way around them while sticking to the letter of the agreement.
Or heck, maybe just ignore it. Like anything is going to happen to them.
Um, why would you instal Linux on a student?
I understand that it's available for all sorts of platforms, but wetware is a new one to me.
Actually, I think it's been lodged in your brain from all those self-empowerment books you've been reading. My parents raised me on this crap, I recognise it a mile away.
You think I never suffer any financial setbacks ?!
This is not a setback. I am poor. I've always BEEN poor. There are no reserve cash deposits to tap. No rich friends or relatives to borrow from.
I'm not complaining, I'm telling you that I don't have any wiggle room when it comes to starting my own business. I was counting on getting a real job after going back to college and getting my degree.
I never let my creditors or my present income prevent me from doing what I want to do, especially, if that thing is what I _REALLY_ want to do.
Ok, please let me know what I really want to do. The problem is, even though I have a broad range of life experience and computer experence, my working experence with computers has been limited to an internship and some part-time work. How am I to know what I really want to do from that? I need more exposure to a working enviroment, and I need to work with people more experienced than I.
Doing temp jobs is TRANSITIONAL thing, it's NOT permanent. Your sight should not stay within the limit of your nose, rather, you should look BEYOND THE HORIZON.
Looking to the future is great and all, but I live in the here and now. Look, I've been "Paying my dues" for the express purpose of having a better life, later in life. I'm sick of it. My dues have been paid YEARS ago. I refuse to go to one more damn training class until I get some results from the investments I've already made in myself.
I mean, this is YOUR LIFE, you get to decide to do with YOUR LIFE. And if you think it's better to WASTE your life on satisfying your creditors' needs, then your life will be just that ... - you live NOT for yourself but for your creditors.
Uh, those creditors paid for my food and heat when I couldn't even find a Temp job. I am living for myself, but picking up the habit of screwing over people who lend you money is a "Bad thing".
And another thing, STARTING a business does NOT cost millions, if you know how to do it.
Does it cost a thousand? A hundred? I can't afford that. The money is going for food and rent.
How about time and effort? When exactly should I talk to my customers, while I'm working in the warehouse in my temp job? I know, After a day of manual labor, I'll come home refreshed and productive and bang out the next great program!
My advise to you and to all - PLEASE STOP BEHAVING LIKE THE REST (99.999%) OF THEM, because you just ain't them !
I've noticed. They couldn't modify an excel spreadsheet without help, but They are still employeed.
Use what you have - your skill, your talent, your will to success, and start doing whatever it is necessary to re-make your life.
Get it though your extraordinary thick skull. Whatever "Changes" I do will require me talking to clients which I can't do because I'm working my ass off in temp jobs just to scrape by.
Worst come the worst - and I am NOT recommending it, this is just for educational purpose - RUN AWAY FROM YOUR CREDITORS, RUN TO ANOTHER COUNTRY, AND START AFRESH !
Heh, run away from the most technologically advanced country in the world, and my skills are technical. Life is a game of odds, and the odds are best here. Also, I don't run away.
After all, whichever country you re-start your life, IT IS STILL YOUR LIFE ! There are LOTS OF PLACES in this world - and there are places in the world where YOUR TALENT and what you know STILL MATTERS A LOT !
Then why are the techs in those countries moving HERE?
If you can't do it in the States, go to China or Bangladesh or Turkey or wherever, where the NEED for your skill is TREMENDOUS, and THEY WILL PAY for what you know !
I'm starting to wonder if this is a troll.
Trust me - I am speaking from experience - NOT the run away thing, but go OUT of the States to FIND PARADISE elsewhere thing.
You know, a story on how you became successful would be far more inspirational than all that BS you've been spouting.
Hey, I'm just telling you what I read. They've been saying that there's normally a really bad month or two, and then things adjust and start going back up.
Growth can go down, businesses are hiring. Mutually exclusive?
It would be nice to just create my own job, but when you're scraping by on temp jobs and avoiding creditors, you can't.
Look, the deal was, I do good in school, graduate, and then I could get a job. If I knew it was going to be like this I'd of dropped out of H.S. and started working on my own.
Yeah, but Rice gets REAL OLD after a while. How do you manage to keep the scurvy away?