You're talking about Quake 3, not the Quake 3 Game Logic Source Installer (which I'm assuming is InstallShield-based)... which Wine should be able to handle...:)
1) This is a windows installer executable, and is faily useless on Linux... (although you may have some luck with Wine
2) Unlike Q2's compiled.dll's, which were platform dependent, Q3A's game logic source (note: that's all this source release is, not a full rendering/network engine source release) projects can be distributed as.qvm's, which are psuedo-C files parsed at run-time by Q3A's virtual machine, and thus can be run by Linux, Mac, or Win32 Q3A without any problems.
A) This is the Quake 1 source Rob, not Quake 3:) B) ESR states:
If Quake had been designed to be open-source from the beginning, the performance hack that makes see-around-corners possible could never have been considered -- and either the design wouldn't have depended on millisecond packet timing at all, or aim-bot recognition would have been built in to the server from the beginning. This teaches our most important lesson -- that open source is the key to security because it changes the behavior of developers.
I fail to see how if Quake had been open source software from the beginning, how the situation would be any different. Quake is a fast action game that is often played over connections with high latency, the dependency on "millisecond packet timing" is inherent to the game itself due to how quickly entities manuever in the game world. Similarly, trying to build aim bot detection into the server from the beginning, as you suggested, would run into the same wall its hitting now: some players have enough skill that some form of statistical analysis would conclude they are using an aiming proxy.
id will be distributing the binaries for all the supported platforms when the point release (read: patch) is made available in the near future... while distributing the current multi-platform binaries now might not necessarily violate any license agreement (althought it well might, I haven't read the EULA myself), it would certainly defeat the purpose of trying to support the budding Linux gaming market by accurately gauging market interest in retail Linux games.
Ummm... that scenario is impossible as the Linux client binaries (dedicated server binaries for Linux are, but that's it) are *not* available for download yet for that very reason: to get an accurate measure of Linux retail sales/pre-orders before Xmas.
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Considering the myriad of efforts that started when the Doom source was released (which was around 4 years old when it was made available), I'm excited at what development teams will do with a 3D-accelerated commercial grade engine with a robust network engine...
id stated in the Q3Test 1.08 README (its named this for a reason...) that they collect this information:
======================= == Section 11. == == MESSAGE OF THE DAY== =======================
When Quake 3 Arena starts a map up, it sends the GL_RENDERER string to the Message Of The Day server at id. This responds back with a message of the day to the client. If you wish to switch this option off, set CL_MOTD to 0 (+set CL_MOTD 0 from the command line).
And? DARPA relinquished control of ARPAnet a long time ago... it was no longer their concern, and is only just now coming back as a topic of strategic national interest.
Ummm, not quite... read the Cox Report... whatever information the Chinese obtained on the W-88 warhead design hasn't been implemented in the current-generation DF-5 ICBM's (which were deployed *1981*), but would instead be expected to have influenced the design of their next-gen DF-31 ICBM's, which won't even make it into the PLA's 2nd Artillery Corps' arsenal for at least 3 years. In other words, check your facts before you vent.
Actually, I doubt the Defense Department has any sort of integrated operational plan regarding the private sector commercial networks... yet. I would think that proctecting actual physical targets (population centers, strategic/logistical bases, etc.) has weighed greater on their minds over the past decade and before. As for the future, some sort of cooperation with the FBI and big backbone companies (MCI Worldcom, etc.) will probably be necessary to implement any such plan... it'd be interesting to see what tactics are being developed in the meantime.
At first glance, this just sounds like an attempt by the People's Liberation Army to appease upper Party hacks demanding such capabilities... bandwagoning by a military superpower is still bandwagoning nonetheless.
I think the greater (and unspoken) DoD concern would be inviting reprisals on critical US commercial systems.
IMO, the Pentagon is probably hoping that the lack of any offensive information warfare activity on their part will prevent, for example, Serbia from actively trying to bring down the electronic keystones of the US economy. The fact that no one from the Administration or the Defense Dept. brought this up during the air campaign (and even during the deployment of K-FOR) tends to make one wary about the private sector's vulnarabilities to such attacks.
That being said, the new IW hawks in the Pentagon are likely overstating the military's weakness in this area to bilk our friends on Capitol Hill out of more defense funding; funds I would personally much rather see go to shoring up critical commercial systems... as an info-warfare-style attack on the markets, large businesses, etc. will probably be difficult to recover from in the short-term, and be far more costly to US leadership and prosperity.
Ok... can you really trust the US government with such power, power that it has gone to great lengths to deny it even posseses? Let's look at Uncle Sam's track record: -J. Edgar Hoover's monitoring of anti-Vietnam War agitators and "communist sympathizers" -McCarthy-era witch hunts and the House Un-American Activities Committee -Nixon's CREEP and "Plumber's Unit", where G. Gordon Liddy had advocated blackmail and kidnapping to for the political gain of the Administration? -The Tuskegee syphilis experiments on African-Americans -Not to mention the allegations of Echelon abuse for US political gain
In other words this is a dangerous tool in the hands of an agency that has little oversight from elected officials... is this what democracy is about?
The Russian Republic is honoring the ABM Treaty as signed by its political predecessor, the Soviet Union. These weapons were being developed in the 70's by both sides (including a brief deployment by the US of a token missile-based system I *think* was called Safeguard)... and the Soviets were allowed under the ABM treaty to deploy a system defending Moscow (it may still be in place today, but as to how effective it is...). The ABM Treaty forbids the *deployment* of such systems, but development on Kinetic Kill Vehicles for TMD (Theater Missile Defense) and other off-the-wall SDI-era technologies continue to this day under the DoD's Ballistic Missile Defense Organization. The focus today is mainly protecting in-theater troops as opposed to safeguarding the country (although there is still a push to implement a system to defend against small-scale sorties from rogue nations or accidental launches from the declared nuclear powers). There is now fairly universal agreement among the US weapons labs and the DoD (although Congress has yet to grasp these concepts) that a NMD would be unworkable as 1) the technologies required are still far from bein deployable and would need funding far beyond what the budget would ever give 2) Any NMD would be easily overwhelmed by relatively cheap countermeasures (chaff, decoy warheads, etc.) 3) A missile defense arms race brought on by breaking the ABM Treaty and deploying a NMD system would be strategically destabilizing and thus very bad for long-term US interests.
One interesting little factoid is the note that this operation supposedly prompted the first known instance of "cannot confirm or deny"... but I could have sworn the Navy had been using that since the early SSBN days in reply to queries as to whether a particular ship was nuclear-armed...
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You're talking about Quake 3, not the Quake 3 Game Logic Source Installer (which I'm assuming is InstallShield-based)... which Wine should be able to handle... :)
1) This is a windows installer executable, and is faily useless on Linux... (although you may have some luck with Wine
.dll's, which were platform dependent, Q3A's game logic source (note: that's all this source release is, not a full rendering/network engine source release) projects can be distributed as .qvm's, which are psuedo-C files parsed at run-time by Q3A's virtual machine, and thus can be run by Linux, Mac, or Win32 Q3A without any problems.
2) Unlike Q2's compiled
Highly recommended... haven't laughed this hard in a long time...
Actually, there have been several Doom source projects, and I can only assume Quake will follow in its footsteps.
Doom Source Ports
Yes.
A) This is the Quake 1 source Rob, not Quake 3
B) ESR states: I fail to see how if Quake had been open source software from the beginning, how the situation would be any different. Quake is a fast action game that is often played over connections with high latency, the dependency on "millisecond packet timing" is inherent to the game itself due to how quickly entities manuever in the game world. Similarly, trying to build aim bot detection into the server from the beginning, as you suggested, would run into the same wall its hitting now: some players have enough skill that some form of statistical analysis would conclude they are using an aiming proxy.
id will be distributing the binaries for all the supported platforms when the point release (read: patch) is made available in the near future... while distributing the current multi-platform binaries now might not necessarily violate any license agreement (althought it well might, I haven't read the EULA myself), it would certainly defeat the purpose of trying to support the budding Linux gaming market by accurately gauging market interest in retail Linux games.
Ummm... that scenario is impossible as the Linux client binaries (dedicated server binaries for Linux are, but that's it) are *not* available for download yet for that very reason: to get an accurate measure of Linux retail sales/pre-orders before Xmas.
Considering the myriad of efforts that started when the Doom source was released (which was around 4 years old when it was made available), I'm excited at what development teams will do with a 3D-accelerated commercial grade engine with a robust network engine...
Hey gonzo... long time no talk `8r)
id stated in the Q3Test 1.08 README (its named this for a reason...) that they collect this information:
=======================
== Section 11. ==
== MESSAGE OF THE DAY==
=======================
When Quake 3 Arena starts a map up, it sends the GL_RENDERER string to the Message Of The Day server at id. This responds back with a message of the day to the client. If you wish to switch this option off, set CL_MOTD to 0 (+set CL_MOTD
0 from the command line).
http://silen tsentry.external.lmco.com/proj/nonsecure/sentry/SS home.htm
ftp://whizbang.penguin powered.com/pub/libMesaVoodooGL.so.3.1
That ftp server had it a few days ago, but it was down last time I checked... if it's not up by tonight I'll toss the lib on the LG ftp server.
His name is Brandon Reinhart.... not Brian. Thanks.
And? DARPA relinquished control of ARPAnet a long time ago... it was no longer their concern, and is only just now coming back as a topic of strategic national interest.
"every single warhead has our technology"?
Ummm, not quite... read the Cox Report... whatever information the Chinese obtained on the W-88 warhead design hasn't been implemented in the current-generation DF-5 ICBM's (which were deployed *1981*), but would instead be expected to have influenced the design of their next-gen DF-31 ICBM's, which won't even make it into the PLA's 2nd Artillery Corps' arsenal for at least 3 years. In other words, check your facts before you vent.
Actually, I doubt the Defense Department has any sort of integrated operational plan regarding the private sector commercial networks... yet. I would think that proctecting actual physical targets (population centers, strategic/logistical bases, etc.) has weighed greater on their minds over the past decade and before. As for the future, some sort of cooperation with the FBI and big backbone companies (MCI Worldcom, etc.) will probably be necessary to implement any such plan... it'd be interesting to see what tactics are being developed in the meantime.
At first glance, this just sounds like an attempt by the People's Liberation Army to appease upper Party hacks demanding such capabilities... bandwagoning by a military superpower is still bandwagoning nonetheless.
Someone's read Fatherland :)
I think the greater (and unspoken) DoD concern would be inviting reprisals on critical US commercial systems.
IMO, the Pentagon is probably hoping that the lack of any offensive information warfare activity on their part will prevent, for example, Serbia from actively trying to bring down the electronic keystones of the US economy. The fact that no one from the Administration or the Defense Dept. brought this up during the air campaign (and even during the deployment of K-FOR) tends to make one wary about the private sector's vulnarabilities to such attacks.
That being said, the new IW hawks in the Pentagon are likely overstating the military's weakness in this area to bilk our friends on Capitol Hill out of more defense funding; funds I would personally much rather see go to shoring up critical commercial systems... as an info-warfare-style attack on the markets, large businesses, etc. will probably be difficult to recover from in the short-term, and be far more costly to US leadership and prosperity.
Ok... can you really trust the US government with such power, power that it has gone to great lengths to deny it even posseses? Let's look at Uncle Sam's track record:
-J. Edgar Hoover's monitoring of anti-Vietnam War agitators and "communist sympathizers"
-McCarthy-era witch hunts and the House Un-American Activities Committee
-Nixon's CREEP and "Plumber's Unit", where G. Gordon Liddy had advocated blackmail and kidnapping to for the political gain of the Administration?
-The Tuskegee syphilis experiments on African-Americans
-Not to mention the allegations of Echelon abuse for US political gain
In other words this is a dangerous tool in the hands of an agency that has little oversight from elected officials... is this what democracy is about?
The Russian Republic is honoring the ABM Treaty as signed by its political predecessor, the Soviet Union. These weapons were being developed in the 70's by both sides (including a brief deployment by the US of a token missile-based system I *think* was called Safeguard)... and the Soviets were allowed under the ABM treaty to deploy a system defending Moscow (it may still be in place today, but as to how effective it is...). The ABM Treaty forbids the *deployment* of such systems, but development on Kinetic Kill Vehicles for TMD (Theater Missile Defense) and other off-the-wall SDI-era technologies continue to this day under the DoD's Ballistic Missile Defense Organization. The focus today is mainly protecting in-theater troops as opposed to safeguarding the country (although there is still a push to implement a system to defend against small-scale sorties from rogue nations or accidental launches from the declared nuclear powers). There is now fairly universal agreement among the US weapons labs and the DoD (although Congress has yet to grasp these concepts) that a NMD would be unworkable as 1) the technologies required are still far from bein deployable and would need funding far beyond what the budget would ever give 2) Any NMD would be easily overwhelmed by relatively cheap countermeasures (chaff, decoy warheads, etc.) 3) A missile defense arms race brought on by breaking the ABM Treaty and deploying a NMD system would be strategically destabilizing and thus very bad for long-term US interests.
Found a blurb on fas.org about the operation...
Project Jennifer / Hughes Glomar Explorer
One interesting little factoid is the note that this operation supposedly prompted the first known instance of "cannot confirm or deny"... but I could have sworn the Navy had been using that since the early SSBN days in reply to queries as to whether a particular ship was nuclear-armed...