You are forgetting something here, SCO is bashing linux, not Red Hat (directly). Linux community is the one on the line. Its not just RedHat's fight, its our fight. And they are putting a cool million dollars into that. Also, they are not just asking the community to help, they are also asking companies which benefit from linux to help out.
And since when is RedHat such a big bad wolf? Just because they found a way to make money of OSS does not make them bad, makes them smart. Even if you don't like them, they are part of the community, just like you, but probably contributed a tad more.;)
... is that even if (almost) all of us believe that SCO is full of _____, there are many corporate execs who will go along with the stupid licensing bid, and that will give credibility to SCO's claims, valid or not. But worse yet, is the impact it can have on the acceptance of Linux in the corporate environment. As a recent Netcraft survey showed, linux is loosing some web server market space to MS. I am not saying that all of the loss is due to the SCO issue, but I am sure that some is, and that is not acceptable.
I have another law I want to enact. Called HEC - Human Emission Control. What this bill consists of is restrictions on amounts of gasses produced by human beings: You shall not breathe in more then 1 time per 5 seconds. You shall not fart more then 3 times a day. Burping is not allowed except in infants up to the age of 2 years. The penalty for violating this law is 1 to 900 days in an oxygen deprived room with a fine up to $50,000. Repeat offenders shall be put to death. This bill should radically improve the quality of our air. Future generations would thank us!
A fiew things would be nice, like importers from outlook, so MS users can migrate.
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Oh, ok. Have you tried to sync all those things up? If yes, any luck?
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One minor problem, the cost. $1300 to sync my email, calendar and contacts is a little bit excessive, don't you think?
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... all this talk is about the enterprise. What about people like me? All I am trying to do, is get my 3 PC's and a Laptop, with various flavors of windows and GNU/Linux to access my Email, schedule and contact info across all platforms while being synchronized. I alrady hear some people saying check out [place your favorite web based GroupWare project here], but web based is clumsy and not a many features as the application based counterpart such as Outlook, Evolution and Kmail+K stuff. So far there is nothing that can do this. All I really want is a server (some what like M$ Exchange) that will allow me to do just that. I have been researching this for a good period of time, and (I think) found a way to get this sort of working, but it requires matching technologies which may not necessarily work with each other, especially when it comes to Outlook (damn it to hell, but what works well on windows). Trying to keep it all together should not be this complicated.
Yes, it is a rant, but I need to vent so my brain does not melt down!
... that the most important part is missing from the page, how to help! I know you can join EFF and that helps, but people are (mostly) cheap (like me, being a student and all). A link that said "How to help" with links to petitions and draft letters for government officials would be instrumental and would look more like an effort then just 'give us money and we will do this' type of thing.
There is a beautiful article on Java myths on ZDnet. Just google 'Java Urban Legend ZDNet'. Then you might want to reconsider your statement. As for not using Java for your self, that's fine, but if you ever have to work in the real world IT, chances are that the company uses Java in one way or another. As for exploits, Java has no more exploits then other languages.
I has been proven that MS is a monopoly and used monopolistic tactics to control the market. They lost the trial to Sun on the Java issue, and were ruled a monopoly by a federal judge. So, where is the punishment? All I see are the same monopolistic tactics!
'Open standard' does not mean openly modifying it how ever you want, (well for your own purposes you can, but not for re-distribution) it is open for change through a community process. (and it is a community, which it is possible to participate in) This allows for a balance between language openness, and control of the language, so the language does not get hijacked. As with M$, they did not go through this process. What they have done, is replace standard libraries with their own COM+ libraries, and other modifications which effectively changed the language, and made it incompatible with the official Java. They did this with out going through the community process, that's why they got shot down. IBM, has done the right thing, they use the community process to get what they want. So Java *is* an Open standard, just a controlled open standard. This control is necessary for you and me to be able to write a program and be able to run it no matter if some one decided to 'make it better/faster' but incompatible. Same way w3c does things, its not much different.
But the real point of discussion is that not how open the language really is, but the license that the compiler and JVM source has. Right now you can have the sources, but the license does not allow re-distribution. What RH seems to want is a GNU License for the compiler and JVM. Unfortunately this would allow anyone to modify and redistribute the language the way they want, and not in the way the community will benefit.
I am just wandering, what is your definition of 'Open Standard'? Maybe I missed something along the way.
As much as I love OSS, giving Java a license which will allow to change Java how ever anyone wants is a bad idea. Don't forget how much IBM wanted control of it and how M$ tried to strong-arm it. What is stopping M$ taking Java, modifying it to work in a certain way with the.NET CLR and distributing it with windows. This will effectively kill Java just due to shear numbers. M$ would not care if they have to release the source to their Java afterwards, it would already be too late for Java.
Even through Java is not OSS, it is open standards, and I like being able to (relatively) guarantee that it will work in different environments.
Java source is available, just not for re-distribution.
I understand that some might think that SCO is in the right, but how does Linux equal music piracy and communism? I lived in communism, I did't get a say in what went on. They need to read a few good history books.
Even if some code from SCO got in (probably nothing that wasn't available already) how does that make every Linux user a thief? How am I a thief? I didn't steal anything from SCO, so don't call me a thief!
How can the DMCA Digital Millenium Copyright Act be invoked for something which is not digital and requires no digital reverse engineering techniques? Has the world finally gone mad?
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You are forgetting something here, SCO is bashing linux, not Red Hat (directly). Linux community is the one on the line. Its not just RedHat's fight, its our fight. And they are putting a cool million dollars into that. Also, they are not just asking the community to help, they are also asking companies which benefit from linux to help out.
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And since when is RedHat such a big bad wolf? Just because they found a way to make money of OSS does not make them bad, makes them smart. Even if you don't like them, they are part of the community, just like you, but probably contributed a tad more.
You obviously don't understand the OSS movement. Red Hat makes extensive contributions into the OSS world. I'd advise some googling for you.
Finally a linux company stood up for itself! SCO's behavior went unchecked for too long.
Most of my reasons are outlined in this article. http://news.com.com/2100-1027-5052388.html?part=dh t&tag=ntop Buy.com should be ashamed!
Destroy, Remove, Molest ?
... is that even if (almost) all of us believe that SCO is full of _____, there are many corporate execs who will go along with the stupid licensing bid, and that will give credibility to SCO's claims, valid or not. But worse yet, is the impact it can have on the acceptance of Linux in the corporate environment. As a recent Netcraft survey showed, linux is loosing some web server market space to MS. I am not saying that all of the loss is due to the SCO issue, but I am sure that some is, and that is not acceptable.
I have another law I want to enact. Called HEC - Human Emission Control. What this bill consists of is restrictions on amounts of gasses produced by human beings: You shall not breathe in more then 1 time per 5 seconds. You shall not fart more then 3 times a day. Burping is not allowed except in infants up to the age of 2 years. The penalty for violating this law is 1 to 900 days in an oxygen deprived room with a fine up to $50,000. Repeat offenders shall be put to death. This bill should radically improve the quality of our air. Future generations would thank us!
Thats just my sig...
... what this would mean for mozilla, there you go.
A fiew things would be nice, like importers from outlook, so MS users can migrate.
Oh, ok. Have you tried to sync all those things up? If yes, any luck?
One minor problem, the cost. $1300 to sync my email, calendar and contacts is a little bit excessive, don't you think?
... all this talk is about the enterprise. What about people like me? All I am trying to do, is get my 3 PC's and a Laptop, with various flavors of windows and GNU/Linux to access my Email, schedule and contact info across all platforms while being synchronized. I alrady hear some people saying check out [place your favorite web based GroupWare project here], but web based is clumsy and not a many features as the application based counterpart such as Outlook, Evolution and Kmail+K stuff. So far there is nothing that can do this. All I really want is a server (some what like M$ Exchange) that will allow me to do just that. I have been researching this for a good period of time, and (I think) found a way to get this sort of working, but it requires matching technologies which may not necessarily work with each other, especially when it comes to Outlook (damn it to hell, but what works well on windows). Trying to keep it all together should not be this complicated. Yes, it is a rant, but I need to vent so my brain does not melt down!
... that the most important part is missing from the page, how to help! I know you can join EFF and that helps, but people are (mostly) cheap (like me, being a student and all). A link that said "How to help" with links to petitions and draft letters for government officials would be instrumental and would look more like an effort then just 'give us money and we will do this' type of thing.
Ok, by the same point, what does .NET have to do with Windows? Nothing you say? Then why is it included?
There is a beautiful article on Java myths on ZDnet. Just google 'Java Urban Legend ZDNet'. Then you might want to reconsider your statement. As for not using Java for your self, that's fine, but if you ever have to work in the real world IT, chances are that the company uses Java in one way or another. As for exploits, Java has no more exploits then other languages.
You are right, still the same shit. Except its .NET not Java. They have been squeezing your balls so hard for so long, that you've learned to like it.
I has been proven that MS is a monopoly and used monopolistic tactics to control the market. They lost the trial to Sun on the Java issue, and were ruled a monopoly by a federal judge. So, where is the punishment? All I see are the same monopolistic tactics!
'Open standard' does not mean openly modifying it how ever you want, (well for your own purposes you can, but not for re-distribution) it is open for change through a community process. (and it is a community, which it is possible to participate in) This allows for a balance between language openness, and control of the language, so the language does not get hijacked. As with M$, they did not go through this process. What they have done, is replace standard libraries with their own COM+ libraries, and other modifications which effectively changed the language, and made it incompatible with the official Java. They did this with out going through the community process, that's why they got shot down. IBM, has done the right thing, they use the community process to get what they want. So Java *is* an Open standard, just a controlled open standard. This control is necessary for you and me to be able to write a program and be able to run it no matter if some one decided to 'make it better/faster' but incompatible. Same way w3c does things, its not much different.
But the real point of discussion is that not how open the language really is, but the license that the compiler and JVM source has. Right now you can have the sources, but the license does not allow re-distribution. What RH seems to want is a GNU License for the compiler and JVM. Unfortunately this would allow anyone to modify and redistribute the language the way they want, and not in the way the community will benefit.
I am just wandering, what is your definition of 'Open Standard'? Maybe I missed something along the way.
As much as I love OSS, giving Java a license which will allow to change Java how ever anyone wants is a bad idea. Don't forget how much IBM wanted control of it and how M$ tried to strong-arm it. What is stopping M$ taking Java, modifying it to work in a certain way with the .NET CLR and distributing it with windows. This will effectively kill Java just due to shear numbers. M$ would not care if they have to release the source to their Java afterwards, it would already be too late for Java.
Even through Java is not OSS, it is open standards, and I like being able to (relatively) guarantee that it will work in different environments.
Java source is available, just not for re-distribution.
I understand that some might think that SCO is in the right, but how does Linux equal music piracy and communism? I lived in communism, I did't get a say in what went on. They need to read a few good history books.
Even if some code from SCO got in (probably nothing that wasn't available already) how does that make every Linux user a thief? How am I a thief? I didn't steal anything from SCO, so don't call me a thief!
Isnt there a set of copy right laws dating from 1920's and 1930's and more in 1970's?
I agree with that, but DMCA is not the law to use for this.
How can the DMCA Digital Millenium Copyright Act be invoked for something which is not digital and requires no digital reverse engineering techniques? Has the world finally gone mad?
Hell if I knew, the legal speek got me, as I am sure it got the 7.50/h case worker who granted it.