Incorrect. As the article states, this is for Washington, where spam IS illegal if it has fake headers, etc.
So I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to spy on them. The people don't go to court when we sue them and they don't pay up when they lose... so if the government wants to help stop the problem, I'm all for it! (And yes, I'm a Washington citizen too)
That's not a valid comparison at all. You're comparing SERVERS to DESKTOPS.
Does Joe User who logs on to Chat know a lot about computers? Most likely not. Hence why they use Windows, because it is much more prevalent and user-friendly.
Now if the problems were caused by all the Windows sysadmins running stupid attachments, it'd be one thing. But that's not the case in general.
If you're going to make a "Windows sucks, Linux users rule" comparison, at least have some validity behind your comparisons. This isn't a flame, this is just common sense.
the California Senate passed which will allow people to sue spammers for $500 per unwanted email
Washington State has had this requirement for some time now... It's good that stricter spam laws are being passed, but it's not like it's setting a precedent.
Sounds more like a SMALLER problem if she's not only needing to use this, but showing it to you too.
"See honey? This is how I please myself since you don't" ^_^
Looking to stop getting DDOS'd? Tired of the/. effect ruining your business?
WE CAN HELP!
For 6 easy payments of $49.95....
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Good plan. So basically the plan for spammers for that line of logic should be:
1. Spam people relentlessly. 2. Dodge lawsuits. 3. Profit, profit, profit! 4. Retire. 5. Expect pats on back for "repenting" -- while still keeping all the millions you made at the time & expense at others.
Anyone remember this excellent show on HBO? They had this great skit on one episode called The Devastator... "Ride it... it's Soul Shattering!"... then it segues into a News segment on the rising death toll from the rollercoaster. It's great.
The best part is where the ad is lauding how cool the ride is, "including a full two minutes underwater!"
How would this change the current state of affairs? A big part of the spam problem seems to currently be Asian computers which have not been properly upgraded are used to forward forged emails on to their intended targets.
So how will this tax change things? Not only will spammers still send email out, but now the people whose address they fake will be charged for it?
If you intend on charging based on who sends it, then good luck. That falls into the whole International Law thing. If you cannot force the people to upgrade now, it seems unlikely you'll be able to enforce this in areas we do not have jurisdiction.
That is a very narrow way to look at it. I think a more accurate way to see it would be that more people, on average, are computer-savvy if they use Linux... whereas Windows has an extremely varied userbase.
I think it would be much better to say "Hey, maybe *I* should learn to use my computer."
Don't blame the car for crashing, blame the idiot who can't drive it. Same deal here.
If you're stupid enough to open the random EXE "here i send u gift, you love much promises!" -- then it's your fault when your computer is used in a DDoS. It's your fault that you don't update your OS/security packages/etc.
A drunk driver or someone without a license is the one who pays if they cause an accident... it should be the same on the 'Net.
Fry: "Well sure, but not in our dreams! Only on tv and radio...and in magazines...and movies. And at ball games, on buses, and milk cartons, and t-shirts, and bananas, and written on the sky. But not in dreams! No sirree."
For 4 and a half years?
Talk to Kevin then. His point was not just that he didn't have an initial bail hearing, I'm willing to bet, but also the unbelievably unjust amount of time he was forced to stay jailed without a trial.
I like the nicotine. The carcinogens are what I'd like to see removed. Get me a cigarette that is loaded with nicotine, makes my breath smell good, helps me loose weight and makes me smarter. Then I will consider it a feat of genetic engineering.
Until then, I waive my paw at them and say "Bah"
Evidently they haven't mastered the increase in intelligence part, as the correct spelling is "wave" not "waive" -- shopkeep, another pack of Amish 100's please. I need to get smarter!
Kevin,
In your bio, you mentioned the denaturing of the term "hacker" to reflect the negative status the media has superimposed on it. Do you think it is possible that people could eventually learn to use the word to mean someone who has a desire to learn as much as they can about everything (technology, etc)? Or do you think the media has put their spin on things so much that people will never be able to separate the negative from the positive on this?
Just because you work for a large company doesn't mean you necessarily live out a Dilbert-esque experience... even if you work in the tech industry.
True, I did experience Dilbert-like moments on panic when I worked for a very large CPU manufacturer that will remain Penti--er, nameless.
But I work at a very large software company now and am relatively Dilbert free. It's not the size of the company that matters, it's how they treat you.
Its even better here in WA -- $500 per piece of spam if your email has been registered with the state if they break certain rules (I.E. Do not honor Opt Outs, forge headers, etc).
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Incorrect. As the article states, this is for Washington, where spam IS illegal if it has fake headers, etc.
So I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to spy on them. The people don't go to court when we sue them and they don't pay up when they lose... so if the government wants to help stop the problem, I'm all for it! (And yes, I'm a Washington citizen too)
That's not a valid comparison at all.
You're comparing SERVERS to DESKTOPS.
Does Joe User who logs on to Chat know a lot about computers? Most likely not. Hence why they use Windows, because it is much more prevalent and user-friendly.
Now if the problems were caused by all the Windows sysadmins running stupid attachments, it'd be one thing. But that's not the case in general.
If you're going to make a "Windows sucks, Linux users rule" comparison, at least have some validity behind your comparisons. This isn't a flame, this is just common sense.
I believe the term is: rebel scum
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the California Senate passed which will allow people to sue spammers for $500 per unwanted email
Washington State has had this requirement for some time now... It's good that stricter spam laws are being passed, but it's not like it's setting a precedent.
That silly guy!
Doesn't he know that computers come with a retractable coaster?
Sounds more like a SMALLER problem if she's not only needing to use this, but showing it to you too. "See honey? This is how I please myself since you don't" ^_^
Looking to stop getting DDOS'd? /. effect ruining your business?
Tired of the
WE CAN HELP!
For 6 easy payments of $49.95....
^_^
Good plan.
So basically the plan for spammers for that line of logic should be:
1. Spam people relentlessly.
2. Dodge lawsuits.
3. Profit, profit, profit!
4. Retire.
5. Expect pats on back for "repenting" -- while still keeping all the millions you made at the time & expense at others.
Why does that seem flawed to me?....
A /. user with a real girlfriend?
Step out of the holodeck son!
This is just too much "science fiction" to handle all at once! ;)
Anyone remember this excellent show on HBO? ... "Ride it... it's Soul Shattering!"... then it segues into a News segment on the rising death toll from the rollercoaster. It's great.
They had this great skit on one episode called The Devastator
The best part is where the ad is lauding how cool the ride is, "including a full two minutes underwater!"
How would this change the current state of affairs? A big part of the spam problem seems to currently be Asian computers which have not been properly upgraded are used to forward forged emails on to their intended targets. So how will this tax change things? Not only will spammers still send email out, but now the people whose address they fake will be charged for it? If you intend on charging based on who sends it, then good luck. That falls into the whole International Law thing. If you cannot force the people to upgrade now, it seems unlikely you'll be able to enforce this in areas we do not have jurisdiction.
This sounds like that whole debate about how Alanis' song "Ironic" isn't really about ironic things..
I think the important thing to remember is, ironic or not... it's damn funny ^_^
That is a very narrow way to look at it. I think a more accurate way to see it would be that more people, on average, are computer-savvy if they use Linux... whereas Windows has an extremely varied userbase.
I think it would be much better to say "Hey, maybe *I* should learn to use my computer." Don't blame the car for crashing, blame the idiot who can't drive it. Same deal here. If you're stupid enough to open the random EXE "here i send u gift, you love much promises!" -- then it's your fault when your computer is used in a DDoS. It's your fault that you don't update your OS/security packages/etc.
A drunk driver or someone without a license is the one who pays if they cause an accident... it should be the same on the 'Net.
... I really did want to know how to please my partner with a bigger... Damn you for foiling my plans, Steve Case! \
Oh wait... you're not even there to blame anymore! Blast!
Um... if it's just a patent on the image of a trash can, how that is anything but a frivilous patent?
Leela: "Didn't you have ads in the 20th century?"
Fry: "Well sure, but not in our dreams! Only on tv and radio...and in magazines...and movies. And at ball games, on buses, and milk cartons, and t-shirts, and bananas, and written on the sky. But not in dreams! No sirree."
For 4 and a half years? Talk to Kevin then. His point was not just that he didn't have an initial bail hearing, I'm willing to bet, but also the unbelievably unjust amount of time he was forced to stay jailed without a trial.
I like the nicotine. The carcinogens are what I'd like to see removed. Get me a cigarette that is loaded with nicotine, makes my breath smell good, helps me loose weight and makes me smarter. Then I will consider it a feat of genetic engineering. Until then, I waive my paw at them and say "Bah" Evidently they haven't mastered the increase in intelligence part, as the correct spelling is "wave" not "waive" -- shopkeep, another pack of Amish 100's please. I need to get smarter!
Heh. I'd say they should have spent a bit more... ^_^
Hmm... Actually, the ewoks are from Endor. Chewbacca is from Kashyyk. But whose counting, right? ^_^
Kevin, In your bio, you mentioned the denaturing of the term "hacker" to reflect the negative status the media has superimposed on it. Do you think it is possible that people could eventually learn to use the word to mean someone who has a desire to learn as much as they can about everything (technology, etc)? Or do you think the media has put their spin on things so much that people will never be able to separate the negative from the positive on this?
Just because you work for a large company doesn't mean you necessarily live out a Dilbert-esque experience... even if you work in the tech industry.
True, I did experience Dilbert-like moments on panic when I worked for a very large CPU manufacturer that will remain Penti--er, nameless.
But I work at a very large software company now and am relatively Dilbert free. It's not the size of the company that matters, it's how they treat you.
Its even better here in WA -- $500 per piece of spam if your email has been registered with the state if they break certain rules (I.E. Do not honor Opt Outs, forge headers, etc).
Yeah. Ralsky should learn to "Take one for the team" -- just like Butters. ;)
Umm. Actually, it's wilwheaton.net