This thread is about child porn, which does not necessarily involve fucking children as possesion is also illegal and not merely production.
Right. That is true on technicality. Driving your car != killing iraqis. But there's a distinct relationship that all but the most conveniently myopic can see.
Nothing is beyond criticism.
My point is that thinkofthechildrenism is associated with reactionary policy based on people's own fear projected onto children. This is the 'normal criticism of thinkofthechildrenism,' as I so eloquently put it.
Basing your morality on the law is fucking stupid
Inferring that I base my morality on the law because I'm having a discussion about the merits of specific thought process as it relates to the law is fucking stupid, too, but I didn't throw that in your face, did I? When discussing the law and the government, one discusses the law as the absolute, because that's what the system is based on. Stop being an idiot.
That is such a sick and twisted method of "illumination"
Asking that a person think in a way that looks for resolution of a problem presented to them rather than ask for someone to tell them something so they can argue with it? Or ignoring questions that don't apply?
There was no comparison in the original statement, so gp posted a non-sequitor. I told him that if he thought about it, he might understand the answer to his question. Which part is sick and twisted? Illumination comes from inside, anyway, unless your enlightenment amounts to a colonoscopy.
That link makes no suggestion of the elephant going crazy because it was humiliated.
Right-o. However, it happens pretty regularly with elephants in circuses (that they kill or maim people), considering how small the circus elephant population is. And I don't know if you've ever looked into the historic treatment of what are normally proud animals that end up in a circus. I was providing the link to link it to circus elephants, and I was being lazy.
That's pure speculation on your part. I don't even know if they can experience that emotion
Right again. There is merely repeated empirical evidence that shows the sequence of abuse of a sentient being (dog, cat, baby, lemur, bird, lion, koala, etc) leading to acting out. Most animals I relate to on a day to day basis don't act out except as some sort of emotional response. Thus, I conclude that if you abuse an elephant, pack it in a cage, and force it to walk along silently as hairless monkeys climb all over it, then it kills the hairless monkey, it's feeling something.
We don't have any proof that emotions even really exist. Considering the fact that we're colonies of bacteria and single-celled organisms, I highly doubt that we can even feel. I do anyway.
though I think dogs will do that. They will turn their face away as if embarassed if you talk to them in a disappointed tone, e.g. "Why did you do that?" This is hardly any more proof than anything I said. And it extends to humans, as I belabor above.
Those philosophical and spiritual types will say things that may take a minute to figure out, and answering your question would deny you the opportunity to be illuminated by your own process.:-)
What about the climate of the world being violent and oppressive? What about how being a young person, you're marginalized and aren't allowed to show any aggression anymore, so you have to internalize everything, all the while funding mass murder?
Mass murder is good, when in the best interest of your "country" Animal aggression bad when expressed among boys.
man, every time I read a/. post about bad math, I think it's about bad meth, and get excited about the flamewar that I'm about to witness, only to ultimately disappointed with the relatively tame flamewar about actual facts.
And I quote: "Inductance?! I laugh heartily at your naivete, dear n00b!"
Yawn. Posting yawn posts about yawn posts has been done before. In fact, since time is an illusion, your credibility as an innovator is further besmirched by the barrage of yawn posts to come.
"Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top, and everyone on the bottom gets burned". --Anonymous Coward
Not sure the link works, but the IBM Thinkpad T series has XP option. That, and thinkpads are the best freaking laptops you can purchase hardware-wise. I'm sure you can get recertified or clearance models as well.
As a technician, I have only seen one thinkpad die, and it was after extraordinary abuse and being 10 years old. If you're not going to pay for a $300 throw-me-off-a-building warranty, you should get a thinkpad.
Or a MacBook, and he can run windows in parallels.
You had me right up until that comment. The last Powerbooks were made in May of last year. see my other comments. I was in a coffee-induced time warp. It was 6 months around when I met her, which was, in fact, May.
So do I still have you? Please?
Either way, it's still under warranty. Unless she trips over the power cord.:-)
Linux will never be able to satisfy my thinking that way. It's simply too clear-cut utilitarian.
I think never is a very strong term. You should try Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn (wicked name, I might add). It's the most cohesive distro I've seen yet. Part of the benefit Mac has is not having to deal with ALL existing hardware. Linux does a VERY good job. Linux WILL continue growing. As more people use it and it enters the mainstream, it will become more beautiful.
Beryl/Compiz enable some absolutely stunning stuff--unfortunately it's not stable on all machines.
But really, fire up parallels and install Ubuntu 7.04. It's different from Mac, but incredibly powerful and incredibly user friendly compared to Linux 1 year ago.
And Mac-user griping isn't? We got dumped on for years, we're in the minority, we live in constant fear of extinction, its our job to fight back.
There are fairly few reasonable and reasonably educated people who won't admit that OS X is the superior platform, and Windows Vista is further cementing that in place. The Jobsian Reality Distortion Field only works on the previously converted. I, as a believer in the relative quality of Mac products and most definitely the quality of the software--based as it is on the solid fundamentals of *NIX--find the JRDF to be an egregious affront to logic and meaningful debate.
Have you ever been in a conversation with a Republicrat who just spouts off things that aren't even necessarily true, and will not take reliable resources as a response? It's frustrating. I think that rabid We're-Far-Cooler-Than-You-ism is damaging to Apple at this point. Yes, Windows sucks. It has been all downhill from Windows 2000. The problem I find with many Mac users is that they think that because they use a Mac, they're smarter. Windows users are much more likely to admit that they are just purchasing a product and then clicking buttons. By comparison, it requires a greater amount of research and commitment (usually) to purchase a Mac, because of market saturation for Win, but it doesn't make you any more knowledgeable of the underpinnings.
And I, a computer technician who makes most of his money working on Windows PCs (not by choice), get lumped in with Windows Users. I am running Windows because I had to switch over briefly, but I've been running Arch Linux, Debian, and Ubuntu on my home PCs for years now. And somehow the PC tag places me in a position where Mac people get to feel superior to me. And it's a pain in my ass, because I've never shit in their pool of conciousness, why shit in mine?
[/rant][/rant][/bitch][/gripe][/rant] And I've been running my home PC currently on Windows (not because I want to) for several days, even weeks, at a time, and it never, ever, ever crashes. A majority of common windows crashes come from hardware and driver issues. And people installing a bunch of crap software. Or Dell installing a bunch of crap software. Just because you don't know how to run a stable system doesn't mean the system is de facto unstable. I've crashed every Mac I've sat at for an extended period of time, which is a personal quality I possess which ultimately led to my career as a computer techncian. And y'all should try dragging that network icon off the sidebar in finder, and then try to get it back (maybe this has been fixed since 10.2). [/holierthanthou]
How can you possibly love your platform more than your girlfriend? Even if my girlfriend were using a Commodore 64, I'd still support her choice of platform.
Somehow my inflammatory tone got a bunch of people all excited.:-) I DO support her choice of platform. We've had a bunch of arguments where she would say things that are false about PCs, or about windows, or about macs, and I would tell her so. And she would revert to Apple talking points, and I would show her references, and she would get upset. So I've held my fucking tongue about this shit, because I know it's not more important than our relationship. However, I have an evil side of me that enjoys being right.
The me giving her crap about the mac happened because she's said the same thing I say to her, only about PCs. Once she said, "That doesn't happen to Macs," when a PC I was working on froze, and I replied, "Bad RAM?"
Now, That-doesn't-happen-on-Macs is a running joke. It's expanded to encompass the function of washing machines, refrigerators, cars, pencils, etc. It's less hostile than my original post sounded.
However, and I'm not trying to jack up a flame ware or anything, I did seem to uncover a lot of excitable Mac users.:-)
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raising arizona was good. don't get too overzealous, now.
This thread is about child porn, which does not necessarily involve fucking children as possesion is also illegal and not merely production.
Right. That is true on technicality. Driving your car != killing iraqis. But there's a distinct relationship that all but the most conveniently myopic can see.
Nothing is beyond criticism.
My point is that thinkofthechildrenism is associated with reactionary policy based on people's own fear projected onto children. This is the 'normal criticism of thinkofthechildrenism,' as I so eloquently put it.
Basing your morality on the law is fucking stupid
Inferring that I base my morality on the law because I'm having a discussion about the merits of specific thought process as it relates to the law is fucking stupid, too, but I didn't throw that in your face, did I? When discussing the law and the government, one discusses the law as the absolute, because that's what the system is based on. Stop being an idiot.
Looking at a picture of a naked under 18-er = fucking children
No, producing child porn requires pornographic content that involves children. Which involves making children fuck, probably not even for money.
The major problem with child porn isn't an internet crime, it's the fact that you're fucking children, which is never nice.
Fucking children falls outside of the normal criticism of thinkofthechildrenism, because it's a crime, like rape or murder.
That is such a sick and twisted method of "illumination"
Asking that a person think in a way that looks for resolution of a problem presented to them rather than ask for someone to tell them something so they can argue with it? Or ignoring questions that don't apply?
There was no comparison in the original statement, so gp posted a non-sequitor. I told him that if he thought about it, he might understand the answer to his question. Which part is sick and twisted? Illumination comes from inside, anyway, unless your enlightenment amounts to a colonoscopy.
who has noticed the pervasive We Obviously Need More Cops Around Our Higher Learning Facilities message being looped on tv?
That link makes no suggestion of the elephant going crazy because it was humiliated.
Right-o. However, it happens pretty regularly with elephants in circuses (that they kill or maim people), considering how small the circus elephant population is. And I don't know if you've ever looked into the historic treatment of what are normally proud animals that end up in a circus. I was providing the link to link it to circus elephants, and I was being lazy.
an article that demonstrates typical attitudes towards animals in circus settings
Note the picture with subtitle: Spikes used by a circus to control elephants. The tassels conceal the spikes in the ring
That's pure speculation on your part. I don't even know if they can experience that emotion
Right again. There is merely repeated empirical evidence that shows the sequence of abuse of a sentient being (dog, cat, baby, lemur, bird, lion, koala, etc) leading to acting out. Most animals I relate to on a day to day basis don't act out except as some sort of emotional response. Thus, I conclude that if you abuse an elephant, pack it in a cage, and force it to walk along silently as hairless monkeys climb all over it, then it kills the hairless monkey, it's feeling something.
We don't have any proof that emotions even really exist. Considering the fact that we're colonies of bacteria and single-celled organisms, I highly doubt that we can even feel. I do anyway.
though I think dogs will do that. They will turn their face away as if embarassed if you talk to them in a disappointed tone, e.g. "Why did you do that?"
This is hardly any more proof than anything I said. And it extends to humans, as I belabor above.
Flamebait? So young people ARE allowed to express aggression and exhuberance? Because I haven't noticed.
The last part was one of these, I think:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichotomy
Or it was one of these (2b):
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/conundrum
And it makes people feel like one of these:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrite
Sick society compared to what?
:-)
Those philosophical and spiritual types will say things that may take a minute to figure out, and answering your question would deny you the opportunity to be illuminated by your own process.
...karma...deity...quote...
What about the climate of the world being violent and oppressive? What about how being a young person, you're marginalized and aren't allowed to show any aggression anymore, so you have to internalize everything, all the while funding mass murder?
Mass murder is good, when in the best interest of your "country"
Animal aggression bad when expressed among boys.
See? Makes lots of sense.
What fucked up animals we are.
Chances are, if you put an elephant in an systemically humiliating situation, it'd go crazy and fuck some people up, too.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying these people are victims. I'm saying we live in a sick society. And I quote:
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
--Jiddu Krishnamurti
Shooting people is no measure, either, though.
The Flash video players have the familiar video controls, but they're quite often no better than fake plastic ones glued to the screen.
Those are fake?!! I'm gonna get those pesky kids!
man, every time I read a /. post about bad math, I think it's about bad meth, and get excited about the flamewar that I'm about to witness, only to ultimately disappointed with the relatively tame flamewar about actual facts.
And I quote: "Inductance?! I laugh heartily at your naivete, dear n00b!"
Yawn. Posting yawn posts about yawn posts has been done before. In fact, since time is an illusion, your credibility as an innovator is further besmirched by the barrage of yawn posts to come.
i just don't see linux being ready for the world yet
[cue cello]
or is it THE WORLD that is not ready for UBUNTU?!
[cue wall of violins]
When you read any post on the internet, always check for hidden tags.
Dude, can I get help? I can't find them anywhere
"Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top, and everyone on the bottom gets burned". --Anonymous Coward
You can thank me later.
--Nathan
The first thought that went through my head was - Worm.
:-)
My dad got shut off, actually, a couple months ago. I think it did turn out being a worm. But it may have been emule.
Not sure the link works, but the IBM Thinkpad T series has XP option. That, and thinkpads are the best freaking laptops you can purchase hardware-wise. I'm sure you can get recertified or clearance models as well.
As a technician, I have only seen one thinkpad die, and it was after extraordinary abuse and being 10 years old. If you're not going to pay for a $300 throw-me-off-a-building warranty, you should get a thinkpad.
Or a MacBook, and he can run windows in parallels.
You had me right up until that comment. The last Powerbooks were made in May of last year.
:-)
see my other comments. I was in a coffee-induced time warp. It was 6 months around when I met her, which was, in fact, May.
So do I still have you? Please?
Either way, it's still under warranty.
Unless she trips over the power cord.
Linux will never be able to satisfy my thinking that way. It's simply too clear-cut utilitarian.
I think never is a very strong term. You should try Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn (wicked name, I might add). It's the most cohesive distro I've seen yet. Part of the benefit Mac has is not having to deal with ALL existing hardware. Linux does a VERY good job. Linux WILL continue growing. As more people use it and it enters the mainstream, it will become more beautiful.
Beryl/Compiz enable some absolutely stunning stuff--unfortunately it's not stable on all machines.
But really, fire up parallels and install Ubuntu 7.04. It's different from Mac, but incredibly powerful and incredibly user friendly compared to Linux 1 year ago.
And Mac-user griping isn't? We got dumped on for years, we're in the minority, we live in constant fear of extinction, its our job to fight back.
There are fairly few reasonable and reasonably educated people who won't admit that OS X is the superior platform, and Windows Vista is further cementing that in place. The Jobsian Reality Distortion Field only works on the previously converted. I, as a believer in the relative quality of Mac products and most definitely the quality of the software--based as it is on the solid fundamentals of *NIX--find the JRDF to be an egregious affront to logic and meaningful debate.
Have you ever been in a conversation with a Republicrat who just spouts off things that aren't even necessarily true, and will not take reliable resources as a response? It's frustrating. I think that rabid We're-Far-Cooler-Than-You-ism is damaging to Apple at this point. Yes, Windows sucks. It has been all downhill from Windows 2000. The problem I find with many Mac users is that they think that because they use a Mac, they're smarter. Windows users are much more likely to admit that they are just purchasing a product and then clicking buttons. By comparison, it requires a greater amount of research and commitment (usually) to purchase a Mac, because of market saturation for Win, but it doesn't make you any more knowledgeable of the underpinnings.
And I, a computer technician who makes most of his money working on Windows PCs (not by choice), get lumped in with Windows Users. I am running Windows because I had to switch over briefly, but I've been running Arch Linux, Debian, and Ubuntu on my home PCs for years now. And somehow the PC tag places me in a position where Mac people get to feel superior to me. And it's a pain in my ass, because I've never shit in their pool of conciousness, why shit in mine?
[/rant][/rant][/bitch][/gripe][/rant]
And I've been running my home PC currently on Windows (not because I want to) for several days, even weeks, at a time, and it never, ever, ever crashes. A majority of common windows crashes come from hardware and driver issues. And people installing a bunch of crap software. Or Dell installing a bunch of crap software. Just because you don't know how to run a stable system doesn't mean the system is de facto unstable. I've crashed every Mac I've sat at for an extended period of time, which is a personal quality I possess which ultimately led to my career as a computer techncian. And y'all should try dragging that network icon off the sidebar in finder, and then try to get it back (maybe this has been fixed since 10.2).
[/holierthanthou]
And then you give her a hard time about her computer dying, and you don't get sex.
No, dude. We have one of those relationships where we BOTH enjoy sex. I'm sure you've heard about them.
*tickle*
How can you possibly love your platform more than your girlfriend? Even if my girlfriend were using a Commodore 64, I'd still support her choice of platform.
:-) I DO support her choice of platform. We've had a bunch of arguments where she would say things that are false about PCs, or about windows, or about macs, and I would tell her so. And she would revert to Apple talking points, and I would show her references, and she would get upset. So I've held my fucking tongue about this shit, because I know it's not more important than our relationship. However, I have an evil side of me that enjoys being right.
:-)
Somehow my inflammatory tone got a bunch of people all excited.
The me giving her crap about the mac happened because she's said the same thing I say to her, only about PCs. Once she said, "That doesn't happen to Macs," when a PC I was working on froze, and I replied, "Bad RAM?"
Now, That-doesn't-happen-on-Macs is a running joke. It's expanded to encompass the function of washing machines, refrigerators, cars, pencils, etc. It's less hostile than my original post sounded.
However, and I'm not trying to jack up a flame ware or anything, I did seem to uncover a lot of excitable Mac users.