Having previously worked for a music software company, I could recommend Steinberg stuff to you. If you find it is a bit more than you wanted to pay, try this link. Though I have never used it myself, I have heard good things. SRP is $199, so I'd imagine the street price to be $150 to $160.
But what they really weren't ready for was to pay $1200 for an Imac to find out they needed to spend another $1300 ($999 for FCP, $300 for external FW drive) to help them let their hobby grow with their skills.
For that price they could have gotten a turnkey NLE system with extra dives, at least Premiere (if not a better NLE).
Personally, I'd get a kick ass dual Athalon system, a nice big monitor, at least one extra drive and Avid Xpress DV for $2500.
That's video editing lovin!
Check out my URL if you want to know why I am so opinionated on DV and NLEs...
They have their finger on the pulse of the population.
I wonder if the pulse of the population registers that as their video hobby grows that their machine wont. Buy an Imac to do video editing. After a week, if you still want to keep it up and stretch your legs, you find out that you'll need an additional drive cause movies take up a lot of hd space. Whoa! $300 for an external firewire drive?!? $999 for FCP 3?!? How come my desktop viewing area isn't really big enough to see everything I need to when doing video editing? Oh, another $400 for an external monitor?
Suddenly your overpriced Imac doesn't see like sucha great bargain and you find out that if you had DONE some legwork instaed of just blindly believing Apple's commercial, that you WOULD have bought a G4. But wait, I can buy a PC for half as much (I can at least) that will do the same thing?
BTW, I work at BorisFX(.com). We make plugins for every major NLE, both Mac and Windows. We make the text generator for FCP. I work with a LOT of Mac users. I have two family members with Imacs. I have at least 5 friends who do also. I think I have my finger on the Mac market. And you know what, excluding sys admins who now like Macs becuase of *nix, most Mac users, especially those who bought a Mac to do video editing are AOL/internet bottom feeders. Of course, as they raise themselves up into some knowledge of computers and the internet, they ALL realize that they wouldn't have bought an Imac had they know how limiting it would be (harware, not software) and all have the same question:
"Why in the world did I pay so much for a computer that can't grow with my hobby without paying a LOT more money?"
Perhaps doing a little reasearch to get a PC that can grow with your needs (or a G4 - though its out of most consumer's price range) would be better than dumping $2500 bucks to get an Imac that can do almost what you need for video editing.
And that's why I don't like the Apple ad campaings. I think they get newbies to buy something that really wont suit their needs long term.
Thank you for not being a raving Mac lunitic. I like Apple, but some folks go overboard with their passion for Mac.
I work for BorisFX(.com). We make the text generator in the past couple of versions of FCP, along with plugins for every major NLE on the market for both Mac and Windows.
I guess the thing is that got to me was specifically the commercial where the guy speaks about video.
The problem is that Imacs aren't a good solution for those who want their video hobby to grow. You can buy a Firewire card that comes with decent NLEs. You can fit an additional drive in most PCs you buy.
If you have an Imac, you need to spend $999 for FCP and $300 for an external Firewire drive. That's a real kick in the teeth when you already spent too much on an Imac (IMHO). I like OS X. I don't like to have to buy Apple hardware that they seem to build without expanding your video hobby in mind. And thay are marketing it to you to do just that.
I would agree with you that Sony is suspect. But I would also say that if one buys an Imac to do video editing, they will quickly run out of options. No space for an additional HD (except getting porked by buying an external Firewire drive) and once you outgrow Imovie, you will be paying $1000 for FCP, $300 for a firewire drive, and $50 for a good amount of ram.
I know Imac users who are kicking themselves becuase, at least for video editing, they feel like they have an overpriced toy instead of a machine that can really do more than basic video editing.
BTW, I work for BorisFX(.com) and we make plugins for all of the major NLE's, including the actual text generator in FCP. Macs are cool, but again, Apple sells Imac Imovie making machines that are overpriced and seem to only entertain those who want to make videos for a VERY short period of time. It ends up seeming like a waste of money.
well, I suppose that Macs can do rudimentary video editing, but why in the world would anyone use Windows Movie Maker?!?
I work for BorisFX(.com) and I have never heard of it or would understand why anyone would want to use Windows Movie Maker.
I can understand the attraction for some to get a Mac to do some video editing. Again though, the default setup they ship is for very low end editing. I know a few folks who got an Imac to do editing and they all quickly outgrew Imovie and wanted to move onto FCP.
Once they found out that they needed to pay an additional $999 for FCP, plus the fact that their original HD will very quickly run out of room (no room for an additional HD in an IMAC, but you can get fisted and purchase an external Firewire drive) for another few hundred bucks.
Suddenly buying a cheaper PC to begin with with room for the extra drive they need, a firewire (or analog capture) card that comes with Premiere (certainly no FCP of choice, but still good) so that they aren't stuck with a system that can't grow with their hobby.
In the end, Mac is good, Imacs for playing with movies for more than a week is bad.
People, people. I would think as Mac fans we wouldn't want to tout the Switch campaign. Do any of us here really think that it is meant to target any of us, or just the lowest common denominator that happens to have extra money to spend on a system?
Apple commercial: "I wanted to do video editing and no one could help me to do it on a PC". What a fucking moron. If you can't use a search engine, what makes you think you could edit video? For God's sake, you can buy a PC with a firewire card and some cheap editing software and BAM! you can bring your video right in.
I understand that OS X is great for us geeks, but pulease stop bringing up the commercial that HAS to be targeted at AOL users and other internet bottom feeders.
To be perfectly clear, I like what TIVO can do, but not what they do.
Hell, I have a few complaints about ReplayTV:
Latency with remote control can be infuriating. I wish there were 3rd party
remote controls as my older model can't work without it and my wife has no
concept of being gentle with it.
Recently will not get as much advanced programming - only about a week now,
when it used to do 2.5 weeks.
New units charge programming fee, just like TIVO (the original reason I
chose Replay over TIVO.
Can't mod as easy as TIVO
Tech support by 3rd party comany
At the end of the day though, I feel a lot more comfortable with Replay having
my personal info than TIVO.
A year or so ago, I read an article on a guy who was monitoring the data that
went from his TIVO out (used a computer as the go between) and found that they
were transmitting more user specific data than they admited to. I'll try to
find a link...
you can do this by getting yourself a second cable box. Where I live, AT&T charges about $5 for a second box per month. I hook one cable box into the ReplayTV, the other ito an aux in my VCR. Thus, when the ReplayTV records something I don't want to watch right now, I can switch over to the VCR input with the second Cable feed.
I can also watch a "recorded show" while it records a show that is playing "live".
At a certain point, both PVRs have emulated each other pretty closely. I think
the parent positing is a bit of a Troll.
Tivo has a heads up over Replay because it had more marketing dollars (by initially
charging their customers a monthly or one time fee). Tivo is also owned by Phillips.
Tivo has violated their privacy agreement with you a number of times. They
changed their privacy policy to allow them to share your data without notifying
their customers. The link they provided in their manual still made you click
through on about 3 or 4 links before actually getting to the policy. I know
of many Tivo owners who were concerned about their privacy were in an absolute
uproar about this.
Though Replay now charges a monthly fee like Tivo on NEW units, I have a unit
that did not have this charge. I paid $300 for a 20 hour Replay TV and have
never spent a dime since.
Replay TV gave me the 30
second skip so that I can easily bypass commercials. I believe Tivo has
also snagged this feature as well?
One thing that Tivo has over Replay is that it was the first to let you can
hack it to add larger drives. (1,
2, 3)
ReplayTV does now too. (1, 2)
Tivo has historically been easier to do so, but I'm not sure about these days.
Overall, features on both are very similar, though the methodology to record
shows is a little different. Replay gives you more pause time as it isn't just
recording things it THINKS you MIGHT like. Replay makes you be specific about
what you want to record, though they have theme recording channels. Tivo is
programed to make certain assumptions about what you want it to record in addition
to what you specifically specify.
I know folks who own one or the other. Regardless of brand, they are both extremely
happy with their new options for watching TV. For those of you who say, I barely
watch TV, its likely because you think there's too much crap on. There is, but
with one of these units, you will only be watching exactly what you want, without
commercials. Iron Chef, Battlebots, Simpsons (I have archived almost 2/3s of
all episodes), Southpark, West Wing, 24, shows for your kids/infants (ON DEMAND!!!)
and both can wait for shows that aren't even in the programming guide yet.
Bottom, line, do the math and find yourself the best deal. Even if one or both
went out of business, we'd make a hack to grab the programing information anyway.
I have a 17 month old child. My wife and I have brought him to about 20 movies since he was born. This includes ATATC, LOTR, Spiderman, ect.
For those of you who have an infant child and want to bring he/she to the movie, try some of the following:
- Your kid naps. Usually like clockwork. Time your movie for when the kid is about to fall asleep. We would keep our child from napping until we actually got to the movie. This usually can get you through about half of the movie with a sleeping child.
- Breast feed/bottle. Have these ready to go when the child wakes up.
- Biter cookies (Gerber). These are intended for teething infants/todlers. These cookies are hard and if your child has yet to have much of any teeth, one cookie will keep the kid busy for a good 15 to 20 minutes. We'd bring at least 4 to 5 of them. Overkill is necessary as they get dropped on the floor.
Out of 20 or so movies, we have had to remove the baby from the theater twice. Once was because we didn't follow our own rules (family corraled us to go against our better judgement) and the other time, his teeth hurt so bad, that nothing (short term) would keep him from crying. We've learned since then that having our child pre-party with a bit of kiddie ibuprofren with a bit of ambesol if needed works wonders.
Yes, I know that those two movies that we attended with a cranky baby, likely caused a few frowns, but as we care about our own movie experiences, we were extrememly quick to remove him from the theater once he wouldn't settle down. We'd never think of staying in there with him crying.
We are getting to the point now where he usually walks where he pleases and if the movie doesn't keep him attentive, he wont want to keep in one place. We don't go as often at this point (and very rarely with him).
But maybe he could hold the video camera. That might keep him busy. After all, he can minimally use the Replay TV to start *shudder* Barney, Sesame Street, ect. 17 months old. I can barely believe it myself.
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Or you simply (unwittingly?) stole it from the Simpsons.
craptacular
I believe that this is a case of prior art.
See you in court.
Netiher do the typewritters.
well except for the letter hammers sticking together occasionally. But you don't need much of an IT department for that...
Of the English language in the name of humor...
You are anal's
Having previously worked for a music software company, I could recommend Steinberg stuff to you. If you find it is a bit more than you wanted to pay, try this link. Though I have never used it myself, I have heard good things. SRP is $199, so I'd imagine the street price to be $150 to $160.
Bias-Inc.
Yeah - within 10 minutes, I have gotten the following score:
Moderation Totals: Flamebait=2, Funny=2, Overrated=3, Total=7.
just my luck, a bunch of moderators with no sense of (my) humor.
BTW, is your sig related to GWAR? Either way, nice pun.
I'm glad someone got to read my posting before it was modded into obscurity. I NEVER in my life had any posting of mine modded up or down so quickly.
:)
Glad you liked it!
West Africans now can order Domino's over the internet.
Drivers carry less than 20 shiny rocks and buttons on them.
Custom power cords?!?
No wonder I paid so much for my Imac.
I hear you.
But what they really weren't ready for was to pay $1200 for an Imac to find out they needed to spend another $1300 ($999 for FCP, $300 for external FW drive) to help them let their hobby grow with their skills.
For that price they could have gotten a turnkey NLE system with extra dives, at least Premiere (if not a better NLE).
Personally, I'd get a kick ass dual Athalon system, a nice big monitor, at least one extra drive and Avid Xpress DV for $2500.
That's video editing lovin!
Check out my URL if you want to know why I am so opinionated on DV and NLEs...
They have their finger on the pulse of the population.
I wonder if the pulse of the population registers that as their video hobby grows that their machine wont. Buy an Imac to do video editing. After a week, if you still want to keep it up and stretch your legs, you find out that you'll need an additional drive cause movies take up a lot of hd space. Whoa! $300 for an external firewire drive?!? $999 for FCP 3?!? How come my desktop viewing area isn't really big enough to see everything I need to when doing video editing? Oh, another $400 for an external monitor?
Suddenly your overpriced Imac doesn't see like sucha great bargain and you find out that if you had DONE some legwork instaed of just blindly believing Apple's commercial, that you WOULD have bought a G4. But wait, I can buy a PC for half as much (I can at least) that will do the same thing?
BTW, I work at BorisFX(.com). We make plugins for every major NLE, both Mac and Windows. We make the text generator for FCP. I work with a LOT of Mac users. I have two family members with Imacs. I have at least 5 friends who do also. I think I have my finger on the Mac market. And you know what, excluding sys admins who now like Macs becuase of *nix, most Mac users, especially those who bought a Mac to do video editing are AOL/internet bottom feeders. Of course, as they raise themselves up into some knowledge of computers and the internet, they ALL realize that they wouldn't have bought an Imac had they know how limiting it would be (harware, not software) and all have the same question:
"Why in the world did I pay so much for a computer that can't grow with my hobby without paying a LOT more money?"
Perhaps doing a little reasearch to get a PC that can grow with your needs (or a G4 - though its out of most consumer's price range) would be better than dumping $2500 bucks to get an Imac that can do almost what you need for video editing.
And that's why I don't like the Apple ad campaings. I think they get newbies to buy something that really wont suit their needs long term.
Thank you for not being a raving Mac lunitic. I like Apple, but some folks go overboard with their passion for Mac.
I work for BorisFX(.com). We make the text generator in the past couple of versions of FCP, along with plugins for every major NLE on the market for both Mac and Windows.
I guess the thing is that got to me was specifically the commercial where the guy speaks about video.
The problem is that Imacs aren't a good solution for those who want their video hobby to grow. You can buy a Firewire card that comes with decent NLEs. You can fit an additional drive in most PCs you buy.
If you have an Imac, you need to spend $999 for FCP and $300 for an external Firewire drive. That's a real kick in the teeth when you already spent too much on an Imac (IMHO). I like OS X. I don't like to have to buy Apple hardware that they seem to build without expanding your video hobby in mind. And thay are marketing it to you to do just that.
I would agree with you that Sony is suspect. But I would also say that if one buys an Imac to do video editing, they will quickly run out of options. No space for an additional HD (except getting porked by buying an external Firewire drive) and once you outgrow Imovie, you will be paying $1000 for FCP, $300 for a firewire drive, and $50 for a good amount of ram.
I know Imac users who are kicking themselves becuase, at least for video editing, they feel like they have an overpriced toy instead of a machine that can really do more than basic video editing.
BTW, I work for BorisFX(.com) and we make plugins for all of the major NLE's, including the actual text generator in FCP. Macs are cool, but again, Apple sells Imac Imovie making machines that are overpriced and seem to only entertain those who want to make videos for a VERY short period of time. It ends up seeming like a waste of money.
well, I suppose that Macs can do rudimentary video editing, but why in the world would anyone use Windows Movie Maker?!?
I work for BorisFX(.com) and I have never heard of it or would understand why anyone would want to use Windows Movie Maker.
I can understand the attraction for some to get a Mac to do some video editing. Again though, the default setup they ship is for very low end editing. I know a few folks who got an Imac to do editing and they all quickly outgrew Imovie and wanted to move onto FCP.
Once they found out that they needed to pay an additional $999 for FCP, plus the fact that their original HD will very quickly run out of room (no room for an additional HD in an IMAC, but you can get fisted and purchase an external Firewire drive) for another few hundred bucks.
Suddenly buying a cheaper PC to begin with with room for the extra drive they need, a firewire (or analog capture) card that comes with Premiere (certainly no FCP of choice, but still good) so that they aren't stuck with a system that can't grow with their hobby.
In the end, Mac is good, Imacs for playing with movies for more than a week is bad.
People, people. I would think as Mac fans we wouldn't want to tout the Switch campaign. Do any of us here really think that it is meant to target any of us, or just the lowest common denominator that happens to have extra money to spend on a system?
Apple commercial: "I wanted to do video editing and no one could help me to do it on a PC". What a fucking moron. If you can't use a search engine, what makes you think you could edit video? For God's sake, you can buy a PC with a firewire card and some cheap editing software and BAM! you can bring your video right in.
I understand that OS X is great for us geeks, but pulease stop bringing up the commercial that HAS to be targeted at AOL users and other internet bottom feeders.
Disclaimer: i DO like macs.
TIVO shares customer data
TIVO shares customer data
TIVO shares customer data
Or how about the US Govt. writing TIVO a letter admonishing them for their privacy policy tactics?
TIVO's response to getting slammed by some privacy group (which is cached on Google).
but mysteriously, I can't find it on their site.
Phiilips announces wquity investment in TIVO cached on Google.
To be perfectly clear, I like what TIVO can do, but not what they do.
Hell, I have a few complaints about ReplayTV:
At the end of the day though, I feel a lot more comfortable with Replay having my personal info than TIVO.
A year or so ago, I read an article on a guy who was monitoring the data that went from his TIVO out (used a computer as the go between) and found that they were transmitting more user specific data than they admited to. I'll try to find a link...
you can do this by getting yourself a second cable box. Where I live, AT&T charges about $5 for a second box per month. I hook one cable box into the ReplayTV, the other ito an aux in my VCR. Thus, when the ReplayTV records something I don't want to watch right now, I can switch over to the VCR input with the second Cable feed.
I can also watch a "recorded show" while it records a show that is playing "live".
Tivo has a heads up over Replay because it had more marketing dollars (by initially charging their customers a monthly or one time fee). Tivo is also owned by Phillips.
Tivo willfully shares your Tivo data with others.
Tivo has violated their privacy agreement with you a number of times. They changed their privacy policy to allow them to share your data without notifying their customers. The link they provided in their manual still made you click through on about 3 or 4 links before actually getting to the policy. I know of many Tivo owners who were concerned about their privacy were in an absolute uproar about this.
Replay TV refused to share your private information and were almost forced to do so. They paid lawyers to keep my information to themselves.
Though Replay now charges a monthly fee like Tivo on NEW units, I have a unit that did not have this charge. I paid $300 for a 20 hour Replay TV and have never spent a dime since.
Replay TV has allowed for me to access my Replay TV from anywhere with an internet connection. I have heard that Tivo has also adopted this. Not sure though.
Replay TV gave me the 30 second skip so that I can easily bypass commercials. I believe Tivo has also snagged this feature as well?
One thing that Tivo has over Replay is that it was the first to let you can hack it to add larger drives. (1, 2, 3)
ReplayTV does now too. (1, 2) Tivo has historically been easier to do so, but I'm not sure about these days.
Overall, features on both are very similar, though the methodology to record shows is a little different. Replay gives you more pause time as it isn't just recording things it THINKS you MIGHT like. Replay makes you be specific about what you want to record, though they have theme recording channels. Tivo is programed to make certain assumptions about what you want it to record in addition to what you specifically specify.
I know folks who own one or the other. Regardless of brand, they are both extremely happy with their new options for watching TV. For those of you who say, I barely watch TV, its likely because you think there's too much crap on. There is, but with one of these units, you will only be watching exactly what you want, without commercials. Iron Chef, Battlebots, Simpsons (I have archived almost 2/3s of all episodes), Southpark, West Wing, 24, shows for your kids/infants (ON DEMAND!!!) and both can wait for shows that aren't even in the programming guide yet.
Though Tivo is on better financial ground right now, Replay TV isn't and hasn't historically been as shady about your privacy.
Bottom, line, do the math and find yourself the best deal. Even if one or both went out of business, we'd make a hack to grab the programing information anyway.
"You really can't afford to ignore these matters anymore."
I also can't afford to hire a blind guy at my work. But hopefully the book will cover most of the bases.
Is THAT why I got a /. free tatoo at the last Slashdot Meetup?!? I was wondering why it kept tingling and glowing in the dark...
"Maybe Philip K. Dick was right to be paranoid about governments"
Maybe he should stop using so much coke.
Oh wait. That's Andy Dick.
Can someone make a wireless hack so that I can move that particular zip car out of the best spot in the lot to make room for mine?
:P
As it is, all of that construction has taken over some spots, then they put those stupid potted trees and shrubs in more of the best spots.
Of course I could just be an ass like the black Corrola and make my own space every day.
BTW, that particular lot is cheap ($8) but NOT IF YOU PARK OVERNIGHT. I parked there for 2 days and it ends up $24 a day.
If you need to leave your car overnight, try to make use of the spots across the street. The city still has yet to put meters there.
Assuming most aliens would require a water covered planet (or oxygen).
I know this is the exception to the rule but:
I have a 17 month old child. My wife and I have brought him to about 20 movies since he was born. This includes ATATC, LOTR, Spiderman, ect.
For those of you who have an infant child and want to bring he/she to the movie, try some of the following:
- Your kid naps. Usually like clockwork. Time your movie for when the kid is about to fall asleep. We would keep our child from napping until we actually got to the movie. This usually can get you through about half of the movie with a sleeping child.
- Breast feed/bottle. Have these ready to go when the child wakes up.
- Biter cookies (Gerber). These are intended for teething infants/todlers. These cookies are hard and if your child has yet to have much of any teeth, one cookie will keep the kid busy for a good 15 to 20 minutes. We'd bring at least 4 to 5 of them. Overkill is necessary as they get dropped on the floor.
Out of 20 or so movies, we have had to remove the baby from the theater twice. Once was because we didn't follow our own rules (family corraled us to go against our better judgement) and the other time, his teeth hurt so bad, that nothing (short term) would keep him from crying. We've learned since then that having our child pre-party with a bit of kiddie ibuprofren with a bit of ambesol if needed works wonders.
Yes, I know that those two movies that we attended with a cranky baby, likely caused a few frowns, but as we care about our own movie experiences, we were extrememly quick to remove him from the theater once he wouldn't settle down. We'd never think of staying in there with him crying.
We are getting to the point now where he usually walks where he pleases and if the movie doesn't keep him attentive, he wont want to keep in one place. We don't go as often at this point (and very rarely with him).
But maybe he could hold the video camera. That might keep him busy. After all, he can minimally use the Replay TV to start *shudder* Barney, Sesame Street, ect. 17 months old. I can barely believe it myself.
"It'd be nice if Ebay would run an escrow service, but that would be expensive."
They do. Its called Paypal. Didn't Ebay just buy Paypal?