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Build Your Own Carnival Ride

SoCalChris writes "Check out these guys who are building their own dark ride similar to the ones found at carnivals and theme parks. The ride is complete with PLC's in each of the cars, and one more PLC for the entire ride. The ride also features a blocking system like professionally built rides."

192 comments

  1. Carnies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it come with a free carnie person?

    1. Re:Carnies? by kingofnopants · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's an add-on and cost extra but, i think everyone will agree that at a one time payment of only 49.99 it's worth it.

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    2. Re:Carnies? by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Austin: Only two things scare me, and one is nuclear war.
      Basil: What's the other?
      Austin: Excuse me?
      Basil: What's the other thing that scares you?
      Austin: Carnies.
      Basil: What?
      Austin: Circus folk. Nomads you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands.

    3. Re:Carnies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but we are running a special on Irish Travelers.

    4. Re:Carnies? by msheppard · · Score: 4, Funny

      He's not just some guy, Marge. He's a Carny and part of a noble tradition.
      Carnies built this country-the carnival part of it anyway -- and though
      they may be rat-like in appearance, they are truly kings among men.
      [5F08]

      M@

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    5. Re:Carnies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, someone tell me I wasn't the only one who started off thinking that Basil refered to John Cleese's character on Fawlty Towers.

    6. Re:Carnies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mini me walks into room and holds up Nigel Powers.
      Nigel Powers: Thought I smelt cabbage

    7. Re:Carnies? by durdur · · Score: 1

      I used to live near a Catholic church in
      downtown San Jose, Every year they had
      a church festival, with a carnival, complete
      with hard-bitten carnie types, and stands
      selling tamales and beer. It was fun to
      visit, and appealing because of the weird
      mix of people - the few priests and nuns
      wandering around looked a bit out of place
      in their own church yard.

    8. Re:Carnies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not!

  2. Already?! by Xtraneous · · Score: 5, Informative

    Arghhh, slashdotted, yet there is a Hope!

    Google's Cach

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    1. Re:Already?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      wtf?? That is the first post about the "/. effect", and the link he gave works. (at least for the text) PLEASE MOD THE PARENT UP INFORMATIVE!

  3. Spooky by ActiveSX · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their web server's in for one hell of a dark ride.

  4. call me anal by spacefem · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm really tired of people getting the plural form of every abbreviation wrong. It's PLCs. Not PLC's. The PLC doesn't own anything. You wouldn't say "programmable logic controller's". Uhg.

    1. Re:call me anal by ibennetch · · Score: 1

      The programmable logic controller's hosed. all in meant good fun.... ;-)

    2. Re:call me anal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I looked it up in the Chicago Manual of Style, the APA Publication Manual, and the MLA Handbook. They all specifically say there is no apostrophe when pluralizing an abbreviation. So, it seems she's right.

    3. Re:call me anal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No grammar book would be that stupid to say that you use an apostrophe to make an acronymn plural

    4. Re:call me anal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Like I said, a GOOD grammar book.

      Let's just take a look at the dictionary definition of "apostrophe" (www.dictionary.com):

      "The superscript sign (') used to indicate the omission of a letter or letters from a word, the possessive case, or the plurals of numbers, letters, and abbreviations."

      Last time I checked, capitalized acronyms (TLA's, etc.) are still just a subset of "abbreviations".

    5. Re:call me anal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well done, Flatworlder! Your advancement of knowledge here on Slashdot will undoubtedly be blessed.

    6. Re:call me anal by Elbereth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, most people would say "programmable logic controller's".

      You're not suffiently cynical yet.

    7. Re:call me anal by bellings · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I'm pretty sure you use an apostrophe when you're talking about a plurality of words or letters. For example, there are a lot of P's, Q's, and the's lying around in my house, drinking my beer. And, they keep calling me Mr. Well, they can all take their Mr.'s, and shove them where the sun don't shine.

      But, I don't know if you use an apostrophe with acronyms, like PLC. I mean, it has P's, L's, and C's in it, but if you shove them all together, I think it just might make some PLCs.

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    8. Re:call me anal by gordon_schumway · · Score: 2, Informative
      When you pluralize an abbreviation, such as PLC, you use an apostrophe.

      I think it's actually correct to use an apostrophe for acronyms with periods, e.g. Ph.D.'s, and not use an apostrophe for acronyms without periods, e.g. TVs.

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    9. Re:call me anal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      >Last time I checked, capitalized acronyms (TLA's, etc.) are still just a subset of "abbreviations".

      I have 2 cents that says the only reason that you use an apostrophe in the case of abbreviations is because you're replacing the missing period. Of course, this doesn't exist in most modern typography for acronyms, so there's nothing to replace.

      Oh look, I just used another apostrophe.

    10. Re:call me anal by LadyJessica · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree. Can't people follow the simplest English punctuation? :-) Check out Bob The Angry Flower for a tutorial for the apostrophe impared.

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    11. Re:call me anal by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, okay, but the more important thing is to actually write out abbreviations the first time, even if the writer thinks the audience knows them.

      The first thing I thought when I saw PLC was "public limited company", for whatever reason.. even though I know what a programmable logic controller is.

      It didn't make sense for me at first why *either* of those things would be in a carnival ride car, but after a few hundred milliseconds of brain activity I decided it must be the programmable logic controller, or maybe some special "carnival lingo" (Hey Joe! We're all out of Pyrotechnic Lumbar Cartridges on car #3).

      At no point during this time did I take any notice of the apostrophe. (Or the fact that there were no periods, throw that into your grammar mix: P.L.C.)

      Now, I want those milliseconds back. Nearly a second of my time, gone forever! Think of the places I could've gone, the things I could've accomplished! Damn you slashdot!!

    12. Re:call me anal by haxordan · · Score: 1

      Actually, according to the MLA, which sets the standard for English usage in writing, the plural of a letter is formed with an apostrophe. For example, you would say that "The string 'aa' contains two a's." The use here is obvious: "a's" is readable, but "as" would make no sense. People (myself included) extend this to abbreviations in (I believe) proper MLA style. However, I too hate it when people use the apostrophe incorrectly, especially with "its/it's." I say that PLC's is correct in this case. If it's that important, I can look it up later (no MLA book at work) and let you know what they have to say.

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    13. Re:call me anal by eclectus · · Score: 1

      Look. This whole discussion about plurals of acronyms is silly. Besides, we all know that the PLC's should be fully specified out to $(PLC)s anyway.

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    14. Re:call me anal by KaiBeezy · · Score: 1

      You spelled "Ugh" wrong.

    15. Re:call me anal by haxordan · · Score: 1

      Or even "PLC\{2,\}" for all of you grep-savvy folks out there! BTW, I love the .sig, eclectus!

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      -h
    16. Re:call me anal by frankie · · Score: 2
      It's PLCs. Not PLC's. The PLC doesn't own anything.

      It doesn't? Are you sure you're talking about the right kind of PLC?

      In 1989, a random of the journalistic persuasion asked hacker Paul Boutin "What do you think will be the biggest problem in computing in the 90s?" Paul's straight-faced response: " There are only 17,000 three-letter acronyms."
    17. Re:call me anal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK!! your ANAL

    18. Re:call me anal by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2

      There are three PLCs in the cabinet.

      The PLC's cabinet is the one on the right.

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    19. Re:call me anal by Feynman · · Score: 1
      OK!! your ANAL

      How about, "OK! You're anal."

  5. For those who don't know what a Dark Ride is by EraseEraseMe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Visit here

    The Dark Ride and Funhouse historical Society

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    1. Re:For those who don't know what a Dark Ride is by OffTheRack · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      Uhhh, is it just me ... or is going through the same dork ride more than few times A YEAR more than enough? So much work for so little fun.

    2. Re:For those who don't know what a Dark Ride is by istartedi · · Score: 5, Funny

      I still don't know what a dark ride is, but the signal/noise ratio on that website was scary enough. I tried to hold out as long as I could. When I looked down at the edge of my screen and saw "loading http://www.laffinthedark.com/sounds/sal001f.wav 5 of 17" I knew I could stand the terror no longer.

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    3. Re:For those who don't know what a Dark Ride is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate sites that laugh at me.

      Sorry, but I just do.

    4. Re:For those who don't know what a Dark Ride is by cpeterso · · Score: 2


      but you know, Slashdot is laughing at you..

  6. This is insane by Dragon218 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before any comments are up, this site is already slashdotted. Google's mirror. No pictures, but better than nothing.

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    1. Re:This is insane by pete-classic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Google will give you thumbnails.

      -Peter

    2. Re:This is insane by Dragon218 · · Score: 1

      We make a great team.

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      "It's the little touches that make a future solid enough to be destroyed" --William S. Bourroughs
  7. To quoteth the master... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Cartman buys his own theme park and goes on TV pushing all his great rides. Then starts conclude the commercial with...

    "But you can't come! Especially Stan and Kyle!"

    "So come on down to Cartman land... but don't plan on getting past the parking lot!

  8. Does it come with.... by sheepab · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it come with an automated system that makes it break down every 15 minutes, so it truely simulates real carnivals?

    1. Re:Does it come with.... by bsartist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does it come with an automated system that makes it break down every 15 minutes

      Well, if you wanted a true simulation of a real traveling carnival ride, you'd have to do much more than that.

      You'd also have to forgo any and all maintenance, and keep the operator supplied with enough hash (or other intoxicants) for him to be completely oblivious to the terrified screams of customers whose children are being thrown from the ride due to inadequate restraints.

      For a little added bonus, you can have the operator sell the above-mentioned hash (or other intoxicants) to passing children. This will provide an additional source of cash for you - which will, sooner or later, be necessary to pay for legal expenses and bail.

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    2. Re:Does it come with.... by haystor · · Score: 1

      Of course you've made no mention of the mysterious sticky substances applied to all carnival rides.

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    3. Re:Does it come with.... by Xtraneous · · Score: 1

      You are of course referring to the cotton-candy that got slightly wet (from the rain,) and fell onto the car? Or, at least that is what I hope you are reffering to...

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  9. Not quite jive, but... by Aiwendel · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Check out these guys who are building their own dark ride similar to the ones found at carnivals and theme parks."


    I happen to speak a little Slashdotese. I think this translates as :

    "Kickass! Let's see how fast we can get their website over its 30gb a month transfer limit!"

  10. Re:Link or Mirror? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Yeah...

    Slashdot tuned their server into a "Dark Ride."

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    Never been known to fail..."
  11. Coming soon from Microsoft by redhotchil · · Score: 0

    .NET themepark! 1 degree a seperation between life.. and death! Now will BSOD coaster!!!

  12. Build your own carnival ride by sheepab · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also known as Roller-Coaster Tycoon, now availible for the Mac!

    1. Re:Build your own carnival ride by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Idiot...

      RCT is written in pure x86 ASM.

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  13. Re:Obligatory southpark reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was ten million, get your facts straight. Sheesh. *waits for the twenty second limit to expire* *grumbles*

  14. Re:Link or Mirror? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Only 5 replies and the darn URLs been /.ed!

    I don't, but my friend Google does:

    http://216.239.35.100/search?q=cache:j8SrIlANLtUC: www.phantasmechanics.com/darkride/+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

  15. Mirror by ahaning · · Score: 4, Informative

    All I'm missing is the last file, drvplan.jpg, but here you go anyway: http://www.osuweb.net/~ahaning/www.phantasmechanic s.com/darkride/

    *ahaning throws the URL at the rabid users and gets out of the way as quickly as possible... as if feeding starved dogs*

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    1. Re:Mirror by ahaning · · Score: 1

      Thanks to another user hosting compressed copies, drvplan.jpg is now in place.

      Page 2, however, is not. Oh well, be happy you got page 1!

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    2. Re:Mirror by Jouster · · Score: 2

      (Ha! If this doesn't convince them I'm not a karma whore, nothing will!)

      Ahaning, can you grab my latest files and update your mirror? That way we can expose all of page one and much of page two.

      Now if only someone would do this (the second paragraph).

      Alternately, if the author of the site could send me a tarball, I'd gladly host it in that form and decompressed, browseable form.

      Jouster

    3. Re:Mirror by ahaning · · Score: 1

      I got the last image from your compressed copies. I was going to put up page 2, but you saved it with Mozilla, which rewrites the HTML so it works with the directories it makes. I was feeling too lazy to go to the trouble of rewriting it back the way it should be. In the future, I'd recommend wget -r [URL] But be careful! The Internet is very large. Just ask these guys!

      Nevertheless, I'll forego my schoolwork and see what I can do ;-).

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    4. Re:Mirror by Jouster · · Score: 2

      The reason I saved it with Mozilla is that that is how I viewed it.

      I figured there was a better chance I'd get in before slashdotting took its toll if I clicked the link than if I connected to my Linux box, remembered the syntax (specifically, the -r part), and serially downloaded all the files.

      Plus, I had a better chance of getting all the support files with Mozilla, since I knew it was downloading all of them, whereas I don't know how powerful wget's parsing capabilities are.

      That said, all you really need to do is uncompress one of my zipped up files into your mirror directory. True, it won't be a precise mirror insofar as it won't map all the semantic attributes like directory names, but it will be perfectly viewable, which is all /. cares about.

      :),
      Jouster

  16. Convenient mirror... by Jouster · · Score: 5, Informative

    I grabbed what I could, but the site was in the middle of a meltdown.

    Grab the .ZIP file, or the .BZ file.

    Jouster

    1. Re:Convenient mirror... by Jouster · · Score: 2

      I'm going to grab ahaning's mirror's copy of the first page, since he has all the images, and roll that into mine.

      I think mine is now the only source of page 2. (You didn't know there was a page 2? Look at the bottom of the page.) If someone could grab my distribution and combine it with a google cache and google thumbnails from page three, that'd be heavenly. Just post it as a reply to this thread so there's just one "mirror" thread.

      Jouster

    2. Re:Convenient mirror... by Jouster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Okay, new version, page 1 is complete, page 2 has some pictures missing, and no page 3 (sorry!).

      Grab it in ZIP, BZ, or convenient browseable form.

      Jouster

  17. While I know money is an object by mhesseltine · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the second page of the article:

    On Friday, February 15, the Chinese -made Enco metal lathe arrived. It took about 4 hours to set it all up, as it had to be hoisted and mounted upon its pedistal. The whole rig probably weighs over 1,200 pounds. Don't even think of starting a project like this dark ride unless you invest in one of these machine tools. (You'll also want a milling machine.) This unit, plus tools and digital readout (DRO) runs about $6K. It's a bit noisy and vibrates, but it's a lot cheaper than a domestic unit - and it works.
    If you are going to do something like this, please invest in a decent tool. EMCO machine tools are the sorriest pieces of crap you can find. Look at a used machinery auction and buy a good Clausing-Colchester lathe and a Bridgeport or Lagun milling machine.

    As another alternative; if you're going to drop this much money on buying machine tools, just to build one ride, contact a local job shop and work with them on making the parts.

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    1. Re:While I know money is an object by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you are going to do something like this, please invest in a decent tool. EMCO machine tools are the sorriest pieces of crap you can find.

      Hey don't forget, these are people who like living dangerously.

    2. Re:While I know money is an object by Animats · · Score: 2
      Yeah. The big problem with those Chinese machine tools seems to be quality control, or lack thereof. You see a row of the things on sale, and some will hold tolerances and on some, you can wiggle the spindle with your hand.

      It looks like this project has about three people busy for a year, plus buying a machine shop and parts. Overall cost will be higher than the $12K per car they were quoted.

      You can also buy such rides used. There's a carnival ride broker. Asking prices are $95K to $110K for single-level rides, and you can probably negotiate down.

    3. Re:While I know money is an object by hal-j · · Score: 1

      Um, dont confuse cheap, chinese, ENCO tools with very nice and very high quality EMCO (Emco-Maier) tools.

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      -Hal
    4. Re:While I know money is an object by tlovie · · Score: 1

      Additionally, it will be almost as fun to stand next to that lathe during manufacture as riding the dark ride itself. Kinda like double-mint gum.

  18. Why not.... by paganizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ..do it a little cheaper?
    big box on pneumatics, big screen tv on the front, 20" CRT's on the sides, and a few days rendering up something on 3Dstudio?
    would be a lot more bizarre, and cost a lot less.

    See my Stuff! web.changestorm.com

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    1. Re:Why not.... by quinto2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but it would also suck.

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    2. Re:Why not.... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2

      These guys want to do it the old fashioned way.

      Some of the parts and props are authentic or antiques from other Dark Rides.

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    3. Re:Why not.... by stagl · · Score: 1

      i suppose there is just something about analog that cannot be beat. in a dark ride, you have this feeling that something could just jump out and grab you...and computer monitors just can't do that...

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    4. Re:Why not.... by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Hmm. didn't see that. RTFA next time, huh? I respectfully withdraw my suggestion.

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  19. Neat but... by Audity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even the professional rides are quite dangerous, I definately wouldn't want to ride on a homemade one.

  20. Luke, by fidget42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am your fath.. Oh, you said dark ride. My bad.

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  21. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, not 'nevermind'. A beowulf cluster of what?

  22. Just GREAT!!!! by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I finally after many years just began trusting roller coasters ( including the cyclone http://www.astroland.com/cyclone.html, I live in Brooklyn, NY) and after reports like this one http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_071002_coast ers.html and a few others on news mags I have mustered up enough balls to get back on them and now I hear that your average joe shmoe is building caosters? Is this thing safe? Has it been tested? Is there an "Authority" that approves roller caosters at all?

    1. Re:Just GREAT!!!! by Xtraneous · · Score: 2, Informative

      In a word...

      No!
      Kinda scary when you think about it, eh?

      There are some in state laws, but that does not stop the traveling carnivals from doing whatever they want.

      If you live anywhere near cedar point (near=within 4hrs drive) it is big, there is a lot to do, and they have an excellent record where saftey is concerned.

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    2. Re:Just GREAT!!!! by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 1


      In Florida, rides are inspected by the Department of Agriculture. They also inspect gas pumps. And fruit trees.

      maru

    3. Re:Just GREAT!!!! by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      It's not a coaster. RTFA.

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  23. Google cache by Squeezer · · Score: 0, Redundant

    google Part of the google cache of the dark ride. Best I could do on short notice.

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  24. Thief! Re:Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are in violation of copyright law. Cease and desist your wholesale theft of Mr. Ferguson's copyrighted material. Permission was neither granted nor implied to set up an illegal mirror of his work, and both you and your web site host will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

    1. Re:Thief! Re:Mirror by ahaning · · Score: 2, Funny

      :-)

      Nice to see that the Digital Convergence lawyers are back at work.

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  25. Idea for spooking people by lewko · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you REALLY want to scare people, have a monitor in the foyer with a sign on it saying "Safety Monitoring System" and a Blue Screen of Death.

    Muhahahahahaha.....

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    1. Re:Idea for spooking people by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 2

      <m$-bash>

      Just setup a real Windows 98 machine. Then you'd get the benefit of seeing people's faces when it crashed for real. :-)

      </m$-bash>

  26. Thief! Re:Convenient mirror... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    _You_ are in violation of copyright law. Cease and desist your wholesale theft of Mr. Ferguson's copyrighted material. Permission was neither granted nor implied to set up an illegal mirror of his work, and both you and your web site host will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

    1. Re:Thief! Re:Convenient mirror... by Jouster · · Score: 2

      As I am merely reposting the content that appears on his site without deriving any benefit therefrom, no court in its right mind would prosecute me.

      That said, if the gentleman wishes to contact me, he may do so at my phone number here, (540) 432-6166 x3666. I will happily take down any material that he feels I should not be providing.

      Note that I blithely ignore the fact that you're a troll. Nice tactic, eh?

      Jouster

  27. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A beowulf cluster of Anonymous Cowards asking about a beowulf cluster of what.

  28. Probably been suggested before... by deth_007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And offtopic, well, mostly. But the way I figure it... /. has a ton of web serving capability, why don't they mirror sites before posting stories so that everyone could read them? They could even have a 'originally at http://...' frame on top like google does for it's cached pages. Sure would make reading /. stories a lot easier :)

    1. Re:Probably been suggested before... by coolfrood · · Score: 1

      Well, technically that could account to copyright violation. You just cannot mirror a site without prior permission.

    2. Re:Probably been suggested before... by x0m3g4 · · Score: 1

      Also where would the fun be if we lost the power to slashdot webpages?

    3. Re:Probably been suggested before... by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Google does it.

      As long as they have no robots.txt or Pragma: No-Cache, I don't see that they would have much case.

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    4. Re:Probably been suggested before... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The only logical explanation is that Taco likes having the power to kill the little pages he links to. He could at least e-mail them and say, "I'm going to turn your puny server into a slag heap; would you like me to mirror the page and save you some trouble?"

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    5. Re:Probably been suggested before... by fobbman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here is the entry in the official Slashdot FAQ that answers your question.

      Yes, it's been suggested before. And yes, it's off-topic. But there are enough newer Slashdot members around right now that are posting this idea (and then modding it up) that it's time to link to the FAQ again.

    6. Re:Probably been suggested before... by Crocuta · · Score: 1

      ...and it has been!

      In fact, the question of why /. doesn't cache pages has apparently come up so many times that it even earned itself its very own FAQ entry.

    7. Re:Probably been suggested before... by fobbman · · Score: 1

      Then he's been here long enough to know 1) that there is an FAQ and 2) to READ IT.

  29. They're gonna call it... by SniffleBear · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Flaming Sybian (And that's what it actually is!)!

    Will be popular with the ladies.

    1. Re:They're gonna call it... by Jacer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Oh man, you did say what I thought you said! Incase anyone doesn't know the Sybian is a, it's a.....well...It's like a dildo, but, ahh, use google......

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    2. Re:They're gonna call it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      google?

      Oh no, use a file-sharing program. The videos are *very* educational :)

  30. The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by kfg · · Score: 5, Informative

    accetable in pluralizing acronyms, as well as for other "non word" elements.

    It's a contraction. The apstrophe substitutes for the "e" in the suffix "es," which is an older, but still acceptable form.

    The dropping of the apostrophe in pluralizing acronyms is a modern phemonemon that comes about because of the modern practice, unjustifiable by traditional usage, of treating acronyms as if they were actually words.

    They are not. They are abbreviations.

    KFG

    1. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      conventions change, sometimes for the better, sometimes not.

      In this particular case, PLCs is actually more visably appealing than PLC's. While "PLC's" is the past standard, the new convention is also acceptable.

      Please, we do not need the grammar lesson from old fogies ;)

    2. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Please, we do not need the grammar lesson from old fogies ;)"

      The evidence suggests otherwise. :)

      KFG

    3. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by plierhead · · Score: 1

      Though your polysyllabic observation does indeed lead to the inference that you know what you're talking about, I have always heard (and read) the opposite so could you point us to a definitive source that backs up your statement ?

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    4. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Acronyms are a modern phenomenon. Words like laser and radar are acronyms. It is never acceptable to use an apostrophe to pluralize these words. PLC is an abbreviation.

    5. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by ottffssent · · Score: 5, Informative
      The dropping of the apostrophe in pluralizing acronyms is a modern phemonemon that comes about because of the modern practice, unjustifiable by traditional usage, of treating acronyms as if they were actually words.

      They are not. They are abbreviations.


      And the word is controller. Which pluralizes to controllers, not controlleres.

      So, while you may be right in general, that doesn't make PLC's any more acceptable than before.
    6. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by Osty · · Score: 2

      Bob the Angry Flower disagrees with you. Don't make the flower mad. (See "Some popular but incorrect rules", rule #2, "VCR's".)

    7. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Looking it up... When making the plural of an abbreviation (or a letter or number), you use an apostrophe. Regardless of what the last word of the abbrevation would be if it weren't abbreviated.

    8. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by greenhide · · Score: 2
      And the word is controller. Which pluralizes to controllers, not controlleres.

      Nope, nope nope. Pluralization is based on the phonetic quality of the word, not its semantic meaning.

      So, you're actually saying "Pee-Ell-Cees". And, as everyone knows, the pluralization of a letter requires an apostrophe, as in:
      There are no z's in this sentence.
      Which makes much more sense than:
      There are no zs in this sentence.
      All you have to do is consult any style and usage work, and I'm sure that they will state that pluralization of acronyms require an apostrophe.

      The poster earlier was correct. His point was the abbreviation was not a word, not that we should look at the original words that PLC stood for in order to make a determination about pluralization. However, I disagree with him that the apostrophe is intended to represent an 'es' sound. It is simply used to mark the pluralization of the acronym.

      E-mail has "revolutionized", in a sense, the way that language is punctuated. For instance, notice that I placed the comma outside of rather than inside of the quote marks around revolutionized. Until recently, punctuation marks always appeared within quotes. This changed, probably due to problems like this:
      Your password is "toothbrush."
      Copying within the quotes would yield a bad password. So, over time, punctuation moved outside of quotations, and this is the style that is now commonly used within e-mail and other electronic texts. It is still technically incorrect in normal printed work, however, so be careful around your English teacher.

      In the same way, a lowercase s used to pluralize abbreviations is a new invention, necessitated, probably, by the huge proliferation of TLA's. Using a lowercase s is, in a sense, an abbreviation of 's. In a forum such as Slashdot, but PLC's and PLCs are both equally correct, although the geek "Elements of Style" might suggest the abbreviated s version. However, use just an s outside of this context, and you, my friend, are making a grammatical error.

      Note: I don't think that there are grammatical errors in this posting, but even if there are, what I have said above remains correct.
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    9. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      All you have to do is consult any style and usage work, and I'm sure that they will state that pluralization of acronyms require an apostrophe.

      I wouldn't be so sure.

      According to IBM Style: Official style conventions and guidelines for information development, the internal tech-writing reference of the King of Acronyms:

      Details: Use a lowercase s to form the plural of abbreviations.
      Example: The resident routine allows a module to perform the same I/O operation on different DCBs or ACBs at the same time.
    10. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by minkeyboodle · · Score: 1
      Using the apostrophe

      Here's just another opinion. This is a great general grammer guide, but as the author says, "Nothing here is carved in stone, and many comments are matters of personal preference."

    11. Re:The use of an apostrophe is indeed. . . by greenhide · · Score: 2

      This is a style guide, but notice that it's a style guide specifically geared towards information development. My point was that outside of that field, using an apostrophe is the correct method of pluralizing. While using a lowercase s might be stylistically preferred, using an apostrophe is the traditional form of pluralization, and is thus could be regarded as correct for all fields.

      By style and usage work, I really meant one that you would get at, say, your local library. Something like Strunk and White.

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  31. I built a ride when I was about 15 by ylikone · · Score: 5, Funny

    My ride consisted of a grocery store shopping cart with a rope tied to it. I drove a large metal stake into the ground at the top of a ravine and tied the other end of the rope to it. Then I would place my younger sister and her friend into the cart and push it down into the ravine. The rope would stop the cart from going all the way down into the rocks and water at the bottom... but I did not think of putting seat belts on my ride so it didn't end up working that well.

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    1. Re:I built a ride when I was about 15 by ctar · · Score: 1

      My ride consisted of a grocery store shopping cart with a rope tied to it. I drove a large metal stake into the ground at the top of a ravine and tied the other end of the rope to it. Then I would place my younger sister and her friend into the cart and push it down into the ravine. The rope would stop the cart from going all the way down into the rocks and water at the bottom... but I did not think of putting seat belts on my ride so it didn't end up working that well.

      by Jack Handy

  32. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ha, this is funny... reminds of some of the dangerous experiments I subjected my siblings to when I was younger.

  33. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would that be a META Beowolf cluster?

  34. Disclaimer reads: by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bearded lady sold separately.

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  35. Unix Migration Tips from your friends at MS: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  36. One small problem by Tablizer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    By the time they finish, they just may outgrow the crave for fast thrills.

    I know that I don't enjoy fast amusement park rides like I used to when younger. I suppose battling with lane-merging 18-wheelers on LA freeways wore out the thrill.

  37. Favorite Carnival Ride by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny


    There was this one carnival attraction in my hometown where you crawl through a bunch of black boxes, cushions, and tubes in total darkness.

    Teenage guys LOVED that one because they could grab girls every which way without ever getting caught.

    Now *that* would be the one to build in your backyard.

    1. Re:Favorite Carnival Ride by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      because they could grab girls every which way without ever getting caught.

      Imagine a beowolf cluster of these

    2. Re:Favorite Carnival Ride by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can grab someone without them knowing who you are, how can you be sure who they are?

      Are those teenage guys sure that they were grabbing girls?

    3. Re:Favorite Carnival Ride by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are those teenage guys sure that they were grabbing girls?

      Doesn't matter as long as you *think* you are.

      But generally just follow the sound of the giggles. Remember, these were mostly teenage girls.

    4. Re:Favorite Carnival Ride by HedRat · · Score: 1

      It's been done, by the Navy.
      It's called "tailhook".

    5. Re:Favorite Carnival Ride by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but as we've all found out...they CAN see who is grabbing them, and SOMEtimes they complain.

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  38. Trent Reznor Owns This by puto · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a Native New Orleanian I guess I should mention that the House of Shock where this ride is located is a Trent Reznor project.

    I worked at the ISP that kicked him his bandwidth in the day and his group were a pretty nice bunch of guys. I remember one day when I was BOFHing some tech calls and someone calls to add a couple of pop boxes for a domain and reset a pass. In my best "fuck you asshole, stupid loser that you are" voice I asked for the customers last name. When I replied "Like uh Trent" guy said yeah and I pulled the account up. Felt like such an ass.

    Course the ultimate scare would be to be the only guy in the ride with 4 300 lb female ex cons who just got outta stir and are looking for some strange. As the lights go out and the strains of the song Closer chime in.... oof gonna have nightmares about that one.

    Puto

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    1. Re:Trent Reznor Owns This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you normally treat customers like crap, but you felt bad because you did it to someone famous?

      I wonder what its like to be so shallow?

  39. This is definitely a gray area. Here's evidence: by egarland · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can you use apostrophes in acronyms when pluralizing them? Some people say yes, some people say no. I say yes! Here's why:

    Purdue University has a nice blurb on how to properly use apostrophes. One of the uses is "Forming plurals of letters, numbers, and symbols" to avoid confusion.

    This page says you can us an apostrophe when the acronym ends in S to avoid confusion. Their example was if you said "The DHSSs of Europe are getting together next week" it would look strange so you can use "The DHSS's of Europe are getting together next week"

    This says use an Apostrophe whenever there is punctuation in the acronym. Many other publications say you can't.

    Since acronyms and codes are getting more popular they have to get more complex to be unique. You wouldn't want someone getting confused between multiple Non-Maskable Interrupts and a Navy Manpower Information System. Why not make it NMI's instead of NMIs so it doesn't get confused with a NMIS.

    Many people seem to agree that you shouldn't use apostrophes to pluralize acronyms but I don't. I think the "ends in S" rule is good but what about the "could be confused with another acronym which is this one with an s on the end" rule. How do you know there isn't an acronym out there that is that one with an S on the end? How do you know there won't be one tomorrow?

    You cant!

    The bottom line is that the purpose of language is to communicate effectively. If I can do that using 31337 sp33ch then that's ok. It's like the whole stupid he/she vs they thing. (They has always been acceptable as a singular gender neutral pronoun despite many people's assertions otherwise).

    To sum it up:

    Language rules are here to help us communicate and any rule that restricts our ability to do so effectively is invalid by definition no matter how much some know-it-all wants to convince you otherwise. It's the way it always has been and the way it always will be.

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  40. Not a coaster. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And someone modded you "insightful"? "Off-topic" would be more like it. The site of the article doesn't feature a description of the design and prototyping of a homebrew coaster, but of a rather the D&P of a slow and controlled, powered level ride with passive drag brakes. Speeds aren't even comparable to a carney-coaster. Think instead of theme parks with those indoor rides that wheel you passed dioramas of mechanized "events". Think of Disney's classic "Mr. Toad's 'Wild' Ride" and your imagination will be a little more accurate.

    Discussions of coaster accidents are simply not apropos. In fact, the only accident of any merit that I can recall is some 16 years ancient? A electrical fire in one of these rides took the lives of six (AFAIR) teenagers at a Six Flags park. While this is tragic in the microcosm, there really isn't a comparison to coasters, which are much more dangerous and have worse safety records regardless of institution or location.

    Of course, to be frankly honest, that's why I love coasters. What's a ride worth if the adrenaline doesn't course through your veins? The fear of the minor possibility of death only adds to the excitement.

  41. Am i the only one... by Branc0 · · Score: 1
    ...That reads "Build your own Carnivore"?

    I feel mislead!

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  42. I mean, cheap is one thing, but... by BiOFH · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "On Friday, February 15, the Chinese -made Enco metal lathe arrived. It took about 4 hours to set it all up, as it had to be hoisted and mounted upon its pedistal. The whole rig probably weighs over 1,200 pounds. "

    ...which is why, in the meantime, we just sat it upon these two wooden house stools. LMAO

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    1. Re:I mean, cheap is one thing, but... by cr0sh · · Score: 2
      Funny, on first look...

      But actually, if you look at the pictures, you can see the first shows it on the stools, and the pedestal is in the foreground, the second shows it on the pedestal (and is dated a day ahead). The next image showing one of the guys using the lathe, you can see one of the stools is being used to support a box of tools or something.

      Believe me, while it may look like they could use it on the stools, any metalworker with any kind of experience would tell you that would be a bad thing...

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    2. Re:I mean, cheap is one thing, but... by BiOFH · · Score: 1

      I just meant that two common house stools would never be sufficient and safe even just while they are moving it. I was in no way implying they were actually using the machine while on the stools. I'm _certain_ they're not that bold.

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    3. Re:I mean, cheap is one thing, but... by cr0sh · · Score: 2

      I didn't think you were, I knew you were merely pointing out the funny way it looked. Still, I wanted to clarify things a bit for others who might not understand - and sometimes, even metalworkers get wonky with thier tools...

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  43. Develop opt-in slashdot caching tag by Lev_Arris · · Score: 2

    This idea has been proposed before as well:

    Just invent a meta tag that specifically allows slashdot to cache the site. Put it into the FAQ under 'How do I allow Slashdot to cache my site?' and note that 'By including this Tag on your pages you specifically allow us to fetch your website and host a copy of it on our own servers in the event that a link to your site is posted to our front page.' (Maybe even make that a license agreement ...)

    That would at least allow caching for the webmasters who specifically want it.

  44. Build your own carnival ride? by djn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Almost as fun as a backyard roller coaster!

    -Dan

    1. Re:Build your own carnival ride? by RedWolves2 · · Score: 2

      We discussed this on slashdot a while ago.

      I even seen it on CNN Headline news.

  45. Free Linux PLC. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get your linux PLC here

  46. House of Shock. by joshsisk · · Score: 1

    The House of Shock is awesome. It's also either owned or co-owned by some of the guys in Pantera, I believe.

  47. Slashdotted; Can anybody tell me Which PLC? by karlandtanya · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sitting here in a room with about twenty (fifty if you count the ones in the cabinet) "PLCs" (actually, they're the grandchildren of the original "PLC"). This is at the company that invented the PLC; I'm testing the new stuff. At any rate, I think it'd be pretty cool if it was one of our products being used. Which PLCs were used?

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    1. Re:Slashdotted; Can anybody tell me Which PLC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the above mirror, Mitsubishi is the manufacturer, though no details are given beyond this. I personally have no experience with Mit, just AB and Siemens.

  48. Google Reassembly of original pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will someone PLEASE construct a google reassembly interpreter that takes the HTML from the google cache, and the thumbnails, and puts them together in the form of a final web page?

    Now that, would be A Good Thing(tm)

  49. I guess i'm not cool by onShore_Jake · · Score: 1

    I don't know what a PLC is and the site is not up. I bet I'm not the only one too.

    1. Re:I guess i'm not cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you haven't yet figured it out from other comments:
      PLC == "programmable logic controller"

    2. Re:I guess i'm not cool by onShore_Jake · · Score: 1

      thanks

  50. Placeholder by stienman · · Score: 1

    This is just a placeholder to remind me to read this story later, when the site isn't so slashdotted (I've read it all, just no pictures). Mod down if it matters to you...

    -Adam

  51. Phil Anselmo, not Trent Reznor by banjofreak · · Score: 1

    Pantera's Phil Anselmo is actually the owner of the House of Shock. Trent Reznor has visited it, but he doesn't own or have anything to do with it. Don't believe? Try out http://www.houseofshock.com to read a little more about Phil and the HOS.

    1. Re:Phil Anselmo, not Trent Reznor by puto · · Score: 2

      oops you are right! Sorry bout that. And of all things I went to the same high school with anselmo(clifton l ganus) though he was two years older than I.

      My bad.

      Puto

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  52. The Scariest Of Em All by The+Dobber · · Score: 2

    I'm ridin the Dot Com roller coaster..........

    Goin down !!

  53. From Google's cache of the now-dead page by mhesseltine · · Score: 2

    The Google cache of the second page lists the machine as ENCO. I was pretty certain that $6k for a lathe with a DRO system seemed pretty cheap.

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    1. Re:From Google's cache of the now-dead page by hal-j · · Score: 1

      I was referring to your previous post:

      EMCO machine tools are the sorriest pieces of crap you can find

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    2. Re:From Google's cache of the now-dead page by mhesseltine · · Score: 2

      Ahh! Now I get it. My bad.

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  54. Just to completely destroy the rules... by dubiousmike · · Score: 2

    Of the English language in the name of humor...

    You are anal's

  55. Re:Link or Mirror? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try the URL now, 2 megs of bandwith available

  56. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the
    shoulders of giants.
    -- Isaac Newton

    In the sciences, we are now uniquely priviledged to sit side by side with
    the giants on whose shoulders we stand.
    -- Gerald Holton

    If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on
    my shoulders.
    -- Hal Abelson

    Mathematicians stand on each other's shoulders.
    -- Gauss

    Mathemeticians stand on each other's shoulders while computer scientists
    stand on each other's toes.
    -- Richard Hamming

    It has been said that physicists stand on one another's shoulders. If
    this is the case, then programmers stand on one another's toes, and
    software engineers dig each other's graves.
    -- Unknown

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