The article is slightly inaccuarte. The idea was that the Northern line would terminate at Highgate and the service from Finsbury Park would run on to High Barnet. When I did this walk the first time (about 20 years ago) one could walk through the southern tunnels and right on the Highgate upper level station. The Northern tunnels were closed because they lead straight on to the electrified sidings about 500 metres south of East Finchley station - that spur (from East Finchley to the sidings) is all that remains of the original plan.
There are still rows round here about rebuilding the line - which would relieve a lot of bus congestion but at the price of the loss of a local amenity (the Parkland Walk nb: not the Woodland walk as stated in the article).
Of course the Tories (boo hiss) wanted to turn the Parkland Walk into a motorway and only abandoned the plan when they realised they were about to get slaughtered in the 1990 local elections...
I noticed this week that development on the venerable z80, described as a microprocessor back in the day, but now relegated to the world of the "microcontroller" continues - with chips being etched on/placed on glass and certainly I still have a working one in my Gameboy Color.
But the z80 is a technology that is over a quarter of a century old - the gap between us and it is nearly as big as between it and "Colossus". So why is it still in use, but the Alpha is to die?
Sure the z80 is cheaper than running water but remember all you get is an addressable 65k and, what, 2 Mhz?
Technical reason: because Linux requires an MMU. Some of the linux offshoots might be runnable if someone can be bothered to take the effort to port it. But, that's like porting Linux-likes to 8086 hardware - once one guy has done it, there is just *no* reason for anybody else to too!
Of course all the people who say this on/. are the types who have never written a line of C in their puff. If you want to run Linux on some device or other buy a book about C and get on with it.
Actually, the Playstation 2 - probably one of the biggest growth sources for Linux users, is running 2.2. Of course, in the Dreamcast world, we are already on to 2.5.
I know people laugh at the Hurd, and I have done too - but I am sure that if/when it comes out it will challenge Linux - certainly on the desktop. The reason is simple - no one, but no one, uses Linux on the desktop except hacker freaks like you and me. Just read Linus's comments - where is the commitment to make Linux a tool for the desktop - it just ain't there (and maybe it shouldn't be).
No work on LinuxDC has been carried out? Are you smoking crack again?
What about a 2.5 kernel port? Got that on your fscking Xbox yet then?
The DC Linux port (2.4) is quite mature and in the last year a sound driver, light gun driver, rumblepak driver, various flash (mapping) drivers and a new filesystem for the vmu have been added. What, exactly, is it that you want to see added and are you just one of those wannabes that never writes a line of code but just likes to moan about other people?
Hold ona a minute. If youa re interested in running free software and such like, don't bother buying an Xbox at all. Buy a dreamcast, or better still buy one and become a Dreamcast hacker. If we have just a fraction of the interest in this piece of ia32 garbage....well you know the score.
A DC is a great piece of kit for a nerd - it's cheap, it's different (SH4 and not just another pentium) and it's hugely flexible. So go and buy one:->
As a compulsive reader of server logs and counter logs I see that Opera is generally doing quite well - a more successful technology on the desktop than Linux even. Rather odd - something you pay for which replaces something you get for "free" (ie MSIE if one uses Windows) doing better than something that's free that replaces something you have to pay for (ie MS anything)
Well, this is going to position Linux as (once again) the insurgent force in the server market and is going to leave MS looking pretty bad. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how MS might exploit the changes in scheduling on desktop applications. But I suppose that is the right way for Linux to go.
Seriously, there will be an upper limit in a practical sense! Basically the speed of light will impose a practical limit - if it akes longer for information to pass up and down the system than it does to wait for a new instruction to be queued on an existing element of the system then there is no point in extending the system.
The very first "micro" (as we called them back in the day) I owned was a Sinclair ZX80 which was marketed as being up to the job of managing a nuclear power plant! Maybe that could be proved true, in a way, by running it off one of these things!
It can be no surprise that people think the Moon landings were fake - after all, look at how many people take astrology seriously.
Newspapers spend millions advertising their wares on the basis of which professional con artist^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hastrologer they employ. Just think about that for a minute - more is being spent on promoting scandalous anti-science than many aspects of science that could really improve our lives. But then look at missile defence and you can see it is not just Rupert Murdoch who is to blame for that one.
Who cares what the Oxford Union says about anything? William Hague - the hapless and useless ex-leader of the British Conservative Party was a past president, need we say more?
Seriously, the fact that the elitist twits of the Oxford Union vote this way or that matters not a jot. Sadly, it is only the credulity of some Americans and a few wannabe Brits that keep this institutionn going.
The other reason for its existence - to provide the next generation of our "natural" rulers (ie the Tory party) has been well and truly destroyed by Tony Blair. A man who went to Oxford but demonstrated his innate good sense by having nothing to do with the Oxford Union.
But any kernel hackers interested in Linux on the DC are more than welcome at the #linuxdc channel on freenode/openprojects - irc.openprojects.net. Maybe you know about modems and you'd like to write us the driver?
Did Linux suddenly become free yesterday? The reasons Linux has and will continue to have such a low share of the desktop are that a) the office/productivity software available for it is derivative and poor (when it exists at all), and b) it is more time-consuming to configure and maintain than MacOS or Windows.
Typically, you are assuming the market is confined to North America/Europe. Well, it ain't.
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Linux's fundamental strength is that it is free (in both senses). If people want to use OSX, go ahead, but it won't hurt the fundamental case for Linux or stop the Linux juggernaut.
Linux is less than 1% of the desktop but that is going to change for one simple reason - it's dirt cheap.
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The article is slightly inaccuarte. The idea was that the Northern line would terminate at Highgate and the service from Finsbury Park would run on to High Barnet. When I did this walk the first time (about 20 years ago) one could walk through the southern tunnels and right on the Highgate upper level station. The Northern tunnels were closed because they lead straight on to the electrified sidings about 500 metres south of East Finchley station - that spur (from East Finchley to the sidings) is all that remains of the original plan.
There are still rows round here about rebuilding the line - which would relieve a lot of bus congestion but at the price of the loss of a local amenity (the Parkland Walk nb: not the Woodland walk as stated in the article).
Of course the Tories (boo hiss) wanted to turn the Parkland Walk into a motorway and only abandoned the plan when they realised they were about to get slaughtered in the 1990 local elections...
I noticed this week that development on the venerable z80, described as a microprocessor back in the day, but now relegated to the world of the "microcontroller" continues - with chips being etched on/placed on glass and certainly I still have a working one in my Gameboy Color.
But the z80 is a technology that is over a quarter of a century old - the gap between us and it is nearly as big as between it and "Colossus". So why is it still in use, but the Alpha is to die?
Sure the z80 is cheaper than running water but remember all you get is an addressable 65k and, what, 2 Mhz?
Technical reason: because Linux requires an MMU. Some of the linux offshoots might be runnable if someone can be bothered to take the effort to port it. But, that's like porting Linux-likes to 8086 hardware - once one guy has done it, there is just *no* reason for anybody else to too!
/. are the types who have never written a line of C in their puff. If you want to run Linux on some device or other buy a book about C and get on with it.
Of course all the people who say this on
Actually, the Playstation 2 - probably one of the biggest growth sources for Linux users, is running 2.2. Of course, in the Dreamcast world, we are already on to 2.5.
Well, if they are using Linux, they are not browsing the web with it. Look at your apoache logs - how many Linux users are there out there?
Not many. About one-in-fifty don't use MSIE but that is not the same.
I know people laugh at the Hurd, and I have done too - but I am sure that if/when it comes out it will challenge Linux - certainly on the desktop. The reason is simple - no one, but no one, uses Linux on the desktop except hacker freaks like you and me. Just read Linus's comments - where is the commitment to make Linux a tool for the desktop - it just ain't there (and maybe it shouldn't be).
No work on LinuxDC has been carried out? Are you smoking crack again?
What about a 2.5 kernel port? Got that on your fscking Xbox yet then?
The DC Linux port (2.4) is quite mature and in the last year a sound driver, light gun driver, rumblepak driver, various flash (mapping) drivers and a new filesystem for the vmu have been added. What, exactly, is it that you want to see added and are you just one of those wannabes that never writes a line of code but just likes to moan about other people?
Hold ona a minute. If youa re interested in running free software and such like, don't bother buying an Xbox at all. Buy a dreamcast, or better still buy one and become a Dreamcast hacker. If we have just a fraction of the interest in this piece of ia32 garbage....well you know the score.
:->
A DC is a great piece of kit for a nerd - it's cheap, it's different (SH4 and not just another pentium) and it's hugely flexible. So go and buy one
As a compulsive reader of server logs and counter logs I see that Opera is generally doing quite well - a more successful technology on the desktop than Linux even. Rather odd - something you pay for which replaces something you get for "free" (ie MSIE if one uses Windows) doing better than something that's free that replaces something you have to pay for (ie MS anything)
Well, this is going to position Linux as (once again) the insurgent force in the server market and is going to leave MS looking pretty bad. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how MS might exploit the changes in scheduling on desktop applications. But I suppose that is the right way for Linux to go.
Seriously, there will be an upper limit in a practical sense! Basically the speed of light will impose a practical limit - if it akes longer for information to pass up and down the system than it does to wait for a new instruction to be queued on an existing element of the system then there is no point in extending the system.
The very first "micro" (as we called them back in the day) I owned was a Sinclair ZX80 which was marketed as being up to the job of managing a nuclear power plant! Maybe that could be proved true, in a way, by running it off one of these things!
What's all the fuss. MS have been writing operating systems for 21 years and they still can't get it right :->
It can be no surprise that people think the Moon landings were fake - after all, look at how many people take astrology seriously.
Newspapers spend millions advertising their wares on the basis of which professional con artist^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hastrologer they employ. Just think about that for a minute - more is being spent on promoting scandalous anti-science than many aspects of science that could really improve our lives. But then look at missile defence and you can see it is not just Rupert Murdoch who is to blame for that one.
If you can't win, litigate.
Alternatively, if you cannot win the arguments you can always buy up the US President and Congress.
It was fun. But RPN is not a way to run a whelk stall.
I meant in terms of performance. Not the actual code base.
I assume Apple don't build their production software with GCC, or do they?
Anybody care to comment - as best they can - on the difference between the GCC compiled code and code compiled with whatever tools Apple use?
Who cares what the Oxford Union says about anything? William Hague - the hapless and useless ex-leader of the British Conservative Party was a past president, need we say more?
Seriously, the fact that the elitist twits of the Oxford Union vote this way or that matters not a jot. Sadly, it is only the credulity of some Americans and a few wannabe Brits that keep this institutionn going.
The other reason for its existence - to provide the next generation of our "natural" rulers (ie the Tory party) has been well and truly destroyed by Tony Blair. A man who went to Oxford but demonstrated his innate good sense by having nothing to do with the Oxford Union.
I don't need the karma. I just realised it would be good to post the link.
But any kernel hackers interested in Linux on the DC are more than welcome at the #linuxdc channel on freenode/openprojects - irc.openprojects.net. Maybe you know about modems and you'd like to write us the driver?
Another proof, if any more was needed, that US laws don't apply to US citizens only...
I see no sign of that. This will have be tried in the Hong Kong SAR and is presumably awaiting full trial (ie an injunction has been granted).
Perhaps MS are arguing that the mod chip breaches their copyright rather than anything to do with the EULA.
In any case - all an argument to use the Sega Dreamcast running Linux.
Okay, a shameless plug. But one piece of MS sponsored technology - the Dreamcast - has already been "opened" and cannot be shut again.
Did Linux suddenly become free yesterday? The reasons Linux has and will continue to have such a low share of the desktop are that a) the office/productivity software available for it is derivative and poor (when it exists at all), and b) it is more time-consuming to configure and maintain than MacOS or Windows.
Typically, you are assuming the market is confined to North America/Europe. Well, it ain't.
Linux's fundamental strength is that it is free (in both senses). If people want to use OSX, go ahead, but it won't hurt the fundamental case for Linux or stop the Linux juggernaut.
Linux is less than 1% of the desktop but that is going to change for one simple reason - it's dirt cheap.