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Sega Master System is Reborn

Nick of NSTime writes "Various sources are reporting that a Brazilian company is releasing a new version of the venerable Sega Master System, dubbed the Sega Master System III. The case is a radical departure from the old SMS and SMS II. The thing to get excited about: it will include 74 games built-in. The translated page can be found here."

200 comments

  1. That's great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I'll wait for PS2 Master version set to be out in a few years.

    All today's games on a small nanochip.

  2. Hmmm by cbcbcb · · Score: 5, Funny
    It has the powerful processor of 8 bits, capable to generate images with highest definition and resolution of 64 different colors.

    I wonder if they might be overselling it?

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anik315 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I wonder if they might be overselling it?

      Indeed.

    2. Re:Hmmm by evilviper · · Score: 5, Funny
      Somehow, I don't think they intentionally worded it in such a way that the google translator would exaggerate it. Check out the games list:

      Hang On

      It pilots a motion poisoned in a emotive dispute. Its motion is FEARLESS 4, it was projected you to take off everything of it: maximum power, principle speed and a spectacular capacity of maneuver! It breathes deep and it holds firm the handlebar of its motion!


      There's nothing quite like piloting a motion poisoned in a emotive dispute! I guess that console would have to have such a powerful processor of 8 bits to do that.
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    3. Re:Hmmm by syukton · · Score: 1

      well it depends on what they mean by 8 bits. VGA is 8 bit color; 256 colors onscreen at once, from a palette of 262,144. 64 different colors would be 6 bits, no? I think they may be underselling. ;)

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    4. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They clearly state that it has an "incomparable capacity of memory", etc...

    5. Re:Hmmm by colaco · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm Portuguese and the orginal wording it's overselling it on the same way as the translation... "Ele tem o poderoso processador de 8 bits, capaz de gerar imagens com altíssima definição" and my translation "She has a powerfull 8 bits processor, capable of generating very high resolution images" Baaahhh...

    6. Re:Hmmm by Trogre · · Score: 2

      what you say?!

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  3. No Phantasy Star? by DoctorPhish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Phantasy Star was my introduction to the world of platform RPGs (since it came out before Final Fantasy in the west), and is still considered one of the finest of the genre. I'd even consider buying one of these things if it had been included. I guess I'll just have to settle for the emulated Saturn version in the Phantasy Star collection on my modded Saturn ^_^

    1. Re:No Phantasy Star? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the love of the Reverent Lutz, someone get this man an emulator.

      Ahh, how I wish I could bring myself to play through the series again. Ever since Naka ruined it with the horror that is Not-Phantasy Star Online, I can't bear to even think about Algo.

    2. Re:No Phantasy Star? by DoctorPhish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, I was there the day they dumped the ROM ^_^
      I actually played through both the English and Japanese versions through emulators (The Japanese version had FM music...much nicer), but prefer the console feel you can only get on a little TV in a musty basement (Yeah, I'm the freak who turns on the scanlines option in all those emulators).
      I never got into PSO, despite having a Japanese Dreamcast, and ample opportunities to buy it used for a few hundred Yen every time I go back. It just feels like a completely different game...I was totally pumped about it right up until it came out. Go figure.
      Speaking of emulators, I actually made a semi-working Saturn emulator way back in the day...got sidetracked when I went on exchange to Japan the first time. Anyone else remember when the only part of SEGA's development site that was password protected was the front page? I guessed a URL and downloaded all the dev kits and documents. They had that hole plugged by the end of the weekend, so it's a good thing I had telnet access to a T1...I wonder if anyone other than the network admin ever knew? ^_^;
      It was real cool having all those PDFs with "SEGA Confidential" written diagonally in grey on each page.

    3. Re:No Phantasy Star? by Woogiemonger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No Phantasy Star?

      That "74 games" link to the list of games available only lists 54 games.. I have to believe if these guys knew anything about Sega's legacy, they'd put Phantasy Star on there.

      Personally, I liked Phantasy Star II for the Sega Genesis the best. Genesis games are considered classics too. The Sega Genesis was able to run old Sega games with an extra attachment. Surely this company could have supported both without much extra cost. Other nifty Genesis games that people would love to see included are Golden Axe, Altered Beast, Thunderforce III, Strider, Revenge of Shinobi, Shadowdancer.. need I go on?

      Anyone have a clue as to what the price for this is?

    4. Re:No Phantasy Star? by CerebusUS · · Score: 2

      Purely a guess here. But the first game listed is "20 in 1"

      Think they might be counting that as 20 games?

      Couldn't find pricing anywhere, but they are selling their Mega Drives with 30 games for less than the cost of a new xbox game

    5. Re:No Phantasy Star? by ParnBR · · Score: 1

      They didn't list all the games, but it's possibly there, since Tec Toy translated it to Portuguese some time ago. But it wouldn't probably interest audiences outside Portuguese-speaking countries.

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    6. Re:No Phantasy Star? by TrancePhreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just get the GameBoy Advance game if you really want to play it. It has the first 3 games on one cart.

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    7. Re:No Phantasy Star? by BigJimSlade · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guess I'll just have to settle for the emulated Saturn version in the Phantasy Star collection on my modded Saturn

      The Gameboy Advance keeps bringing back the classic hits... including all 3 Phantasy Star games on one cart.

    8. Re:No Phantasy Star? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's five phantasy star games..
      and four of them genesis + older

      misty
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    9. Re:No Phantasy Star? by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Phantasy Star pages - all you need to know about the series. There are more PS games than you know about.

    10. Re:No Phantasy Star? by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 1

      IMAO, Phantasy Star 1 was the ONLY SMS game worth having... and yes, I had both the real thing and now the emulator.

      Ahh, how I wish I could bring myself to play through the series again.

      It's not a question of 'bring yourself'! I have to actively resist restarting the quests sometimes. (except for... well, see below)

      Ever since Naka ruined it with the horror that is Not-Phantasy Star Online, I can't bear to even think about Algo.

      Heh, PS3 almost ruined it for me. THAT is the game I had to force myself to play through. I'm glad it didn't; PS4 was one of the best RPGs of the 16-bit era.

      I still want to know where they got the name "Baya Mahlay" for the hill over which Lassic's castle floated. It just sounds so perfect.

      Oh, and read this and LYAO.

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    11. Re:No Phantasy Star? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do this ^_^;@#$ stuff one more time I will kill you.

      DOMO ARIGATO~!! *____^;;;;

    12. Re:No Phantasy Star? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS3 was awesome, I loved it. PS4 was simply amazing, but was a little too easy (didn't die much and no challenges figuring stuff out).

  4. Shinobi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *japanese accent* Shinobi's Back! Waaay back!

  5. gp32 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The gp32 has a great master system emulator for playing all those sega games on the move. Get one, and then help with the linux porting effort :)

  6. More companies should follow suit... by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My roomie and I have discussed at length the massive amounts of money companies could make if they did more things like this. Nintendo could easily release all the NES games ever made on one Gamecube disc and charge a bundle for it. I wouldn't mind paying $100 maybe more, Animal Crossing has taught me two things... first, that the old NES games still rule and second, that playing on a TV is way better than emulation.

    I wonder how this company got the rights to do this legally...

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    1. Re:More companies should follow suit... by -douggy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I rekon that Nintendo could easily do this with all the Nintendo and Rare made games. Imagine every mario/donkey kong/zelda/pinbot/snakeratle n role/ et al from the NES and SNES I know there were good games from lots of other companies but at the time nin had a big share in rare so maybe they would be easiest to get the licences for (maybe not after the MS buyout...)

      I'd gladly pay for such a disc. From what i've read around with a dreamcast and a nes emulator this could be done but I am not sure how good those emulators are. Nintendos would be spot on. Hell they could bundle a nes type comtroller.

      Plus everybody know SMB3 and SMW are the best two mario games ever.

    2. Re:More companies should follow suit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get an xbox (oooh evil M$) and a mod chip (oooh evil pirates), you can do exactly that then. Heck you don't even need a disc, they'll quite happily run from the hdd.

    3. Re:More companies should follow suit... by JayBonci · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem with those sorts of compilations (on a Gamecube disk or whatever) is that they feel like emulation. For instance the Intellivision classics disk for the Playstation felt like it was emulated. Besides the unique vantage point of not having a real INTV controller for it, the sound didn't have that 8-bit-crunch to it.

      I worry about direct ports or emulation on consoles, because there are the issues or compatibility and accuracy. More often than not, something gets lost in the translation.

      Now with some of the pirate tools, you get the best of both worlds, but you tarnish under the light of legality. Having a Bung copier or similar device to jack NES Rom images into an NES-compatible flash cart makes for 100% accurate games, with a huge availability, but by and large, it is illegal.

      Companies are at a wierd impass in regards to their classic games. Should one distribute Nintendos with a huge bank of games built in, or release compiliation CDs with subquality compatibility.

      Sadly, as I have purchased several of those "classics" emulations/ports for playstation I'd prefer the original hardware.

      Oh and yes, NES still rules.

      --jaybonci

    4. Re:More companies should follow suit... by Martigan80 · · Score: 2

      Well what is amazing is in Italy there is a company the has probably illegaly. You see it on the infomercials at night, some little system with all the build in games like Mario bros and such in a small package for around $50-$80. To bad the computers over here are still expensive though.

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    5. Re:More companies should follow suit... by ParnBR · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tec Toy had legal rights for Master System console and games distribution in Brazil. All those games were legally distributed here, with licenses acquired from Sega (which sublicensed some other games, like Power Strike).

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    6. Re:More companies should follow suit... by G-funk · · Score: 2

      Nintendo does do this... it's called the gameboy advance :)

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    7. Re:More companies should follow suit... by Karpe · · Score: 4, Informative

      > I wonder how this company got the rights to do this legally...

      Tectoy is the Sega licensee for years in Brazil. They introduced the SMS as the first second generation console in Brazil (at about the same time, but a little earlier than any NES clone), making Brazil one of the places where the SMS was most successfull. They later introduced the Mega Drive (Genesis), which was another hit, and all later Sega consoles. They have an old and good relationship with Sega. In Brazil, Tectoy is Sega and Sega is Tectoy.

      Actually, the history of Tectoy is really nice, even tough I don't remember correctly. It was founded at the end of the 80s, by two guys who decided to create a company to sell tecnological and intelligent toys. And the toys were really neat. Having lived the end of my childhood around this time, I remember always wanting (and usually not having) the cool tectoy toys. After they entered the console market, I think they stopped working with the other products, what was a pitty.

    8. Re:More companies should follow suit... by Eamon+C · · Score: 1

      playing on a TV is way better than emulation

      What about emulation on a TV? This weekend, I've been wasting my time with DreamSNES and about 100 roms.

    9. Re:More companies should follow suit... by Baiken · · Score: 2, Informative

      "I'd gladly pay for such a disc. From what i've read around with a dreamcast and a nes emulator this could be done but I am not sure how good those emulators are. "

      Search no more,you want a very good Nes emulator, search for dreamcast factory( Google is your friend), this freeware tool lets you make your own bootable emu cd, any of them, but imho the best around is NesterDC ver 7.00, this emu rocks.

      very easy to use just follow instructions put your roms in the apropiate folder, and voila your dreamcast is reborn as an emu machine, the second best emu is GNU boy a great port made by takayama fumihiko, also nester dc creator.

      Now that my dreamcast is dead, what the heck, lets go retro!!

      sorry for the off topic.

      BTW as far as i know tec toy has the authorization from sega to make the machines, in fact there never was an import genesis, as tec toy asembled them over there, and if you think that piracy is a problem in Brazil, just take a walk in the streets of my country, venezuela, even I get to sell some burned cd some times, low salaries+high import taxes+greedy retailers= piracy running amok.

      Sorry for my english, it`s not a language i get to use very often, nos vemos luego...
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    10. Re:More companies should follow suit... by RichardX · · Score: 3, Informative

      "...second, that playing on a TV is way better than emulation"

      You wot? Since when were emulation and playing on a TV mutually exclusive?.. I relive the joys of NES, Snes, Mastersystem, Megadrive (Genesis to all you American folks), and countless other systems - MAME, too, of course, on my telly, via emulators, and my graphics card's TV-out.

      The hardest thing, IMO, is getting hold of a decent joypad for the PC. Maybe I'm just picky, but there doesn't seem to be a really good one out there. However, there are many ways to convert original console joypads to work with the PC.. and of course, if you've got the cash for it, there's the X-Arcade, too.

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    11. Re:More companies should follow suit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please do not forget the greatest Nintendo/Rare title EVER Killer Instinct.

      I mean the actual game, not the blasphemy that was Killer Instinct 2/Gold.

    12. Re:More companies should follow suit... by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      The best one I've found for SNES games and some Playstation 1 games is the Microsoft Sidewinder Plug 'n Pray USB Gamepad. Since I don't have windows anywhere I had to find a pad that works under linux, and this one does the trick. A modprobe sidewinder and modprobe joydev and it's ready to go. Plus you can find them cheap ($20 or less).

      I still have yet to find the *perfect* snes or psx controller. Even the original snes controller sucked, but the playstation controller is perfect for nearly anything.

      If you're interested in mame joysticks, check this out: http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/hardware/game/mamejoy/
      I'll take one of each. :)

    13. Re:More companies should follow suit... by silverhalide · · Score: 2

      My personal belief is that if they release all the old games on the new system, the youngin's will realize a surprising majority of new games are rehashes of old ones. :-) We wouldn't want to undermine sales now, would we?

      Also, another point is that the nostalgia market isn't nearly as big as the grand theft auto crowd, which probably at least half of them don't even remeber the original nintendo or SMS system...

      On a similar note, Namco did do this in an arcade-version, with a re-release of several of its most popular games (Pacman, Galaga ,etc) on a 25" monitor machine. Last time I checked, they weren't performing spectacularly on the charts.

    14. Re:More companies should follow suit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nintendo emulator for dreamcast (called NesterDc) has perfect sound and video emulation, full speed, light gun support, and a lot of extra options, state saves etc.

      The SNES emulator (DreamSNES) is still beta .98 so full speed wont come until 1.0 but it has many features.

      And now for some shameless plug.....
      visit www.consolevision.com for more information/tutorials/downloads/reviews etc.

    15. Re:More companies should follow suit... by stpats · · Score: 1

      Umm, playing NES games on Gamecube WOULD be emulation.

  7. But by D4M4DH477X0R · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ahh, but does it run Linux? :-)

    1. Re:But by mvdw · · Score: 1

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of these...

  8. Re:Mattel action figures! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm

    who modded this up again! please verify the links people post before modding, thank you.

  9. Game gear as well! But is it legal? by JayBonci · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well two things are interesting to note here. The first is that it seems to support Game Gear games as well. You can tell this because there was never a Sonic the Hedgehog (as per the screenshot)for the Master System... however there was one for the Game Gear, a nearly identical platform.

    Also, I'd be worried about the legality of such an item. The brazilian piracy market is huge, and I'd be largely worried about any sort of retro console with a different design, and a lot of pack-in games. It seems largely like a pirated console with a large set of roms.

    It also doesn't seem legal because of the presence of a 20-in-1 rom. Those are a favorite of pirate console and cartridge distributors. Some of them are neat as collectors' items, but by and large they are illegal.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by the possibility of older consoles making a decent comback, but this one certainly doesn't add up.

    --jaybonci

  10. Legal? by taernim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is this legal?
    Sure, Sega isn't making hardware anymore, but how is the company allowed to make use of the product -- even modified?

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  11. Sonic as you've never heard him before by Lonesmurf · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It helps Sonic to fight against the flock of metallic maniacs with its Attack of Supersonic Turn and to defeat the Dr. Ivo Robotnik. It saves the innocent animals before they are transformed into maleficent robots. Sonic and you only can prevent that this occurs. Either atomic! Either Sonic!" :)

    1. Re:Sonic as you've never heard him before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or what about Alex Kidd described as a "perverse black ninja" ?
      And Alien Storm involving evil "foreigners" invading the planet Land?

    2. Re:Sonic as you've never heard him before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Among games superfantastic being anticipated most than Sonic is!!! :

      Penguin Land

      Three fragile eggs of penguin are lost in a distant planet. You need to help to the Commander of the Mission Penguin, Overbite, to rescue them and to bring them in return in security. You he will face a terrible trip in frozen lands... private caves and tickets... facing threatening creatures and flying predators.


      Superfantastic!

  12. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course there was a Sonic for the Master System, and I think that's it. (The GG version had bigger sprites)

  13. Goatse Link by jeramybsmith · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It has been a few years since I got tricked by a goatse.cx link. I hope your happy.

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    1. Re:Goatse Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about my happy? Either finish your sentences or learn the language.

      Anyway, grammar boy, learn how to dance.

  14. NES Anyone? by majestynine · · Score: 2, Troll
    Come on; anyone who grew up with the SMS and NES knew that the NES was the superior platform. Better games, more of them, better graphics and better sound.

    Why aren't they releasing the NES instead of the SMS. I might pay for the NES, but there is no way I'd pay for the SMS now.

    Besides, why would I bother with any of this anyways when I can play every single ROM for all those old school platforms on my Dreamcast from a single CD!!

    1. Re:NES Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's the funny thing. The NES came out later than the Master System, and thus had better inherent technology.

      The Genesis slaughtered the nes. Why? It came out later. Better tech. The SNES slaughtered the Genesis. Why? See the above.

      Arguably, the 32x didn't slaughter anything, but it did make a bunch of people laugh. However, one could argue that the SegaCD easily slaughtered the SNES. If not that, then the Saturn, which was slaughtered by the N64. Which was slaughtered by the Dreamcast.

      Which itself was slaughtered by Sega because they have idiots in charge of marketing.

      All this aside, there's only one reason that the NES was so popular. It had the killer app. It had Contra.

      If you couldn't hum the tunes from the various levels, you were a nobody back then.

    2. Re:NES Anyone? by odin53 · · Score: 1

      Come on; anyone who grew up with the SMS and NES knew that the NES was the superior platform. Better games, more of them, better graphics and better sound.

      Wrong! The reason why I bought the SMS when it came out was because it was technologically better than the NES -- more colors, more memory, more/bigger sprites, etc. The NES was better only because it had so many games for it, and so many good games. But the SMS definitely had better graphics and better sound.

    3. Re:NES Anyone? by \\ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      actually, i don't know which came out first, but the sms had better hardware under the hood. nintendo just happened to snap up more and better companies to develop for the NES, and of course had that clause that said if you developed for nintendo, you couldn't deliver the same game to any other competing platform for something like two years.

      that eventually changed, but by that time, the sms was pretty much toast.

    4. Re:NES Anyone? by lvdrproject · · Score: 1
      You forgot the PlayStation, which pretty much slaughtered everything. The Nintendo 64 didn't need to be slaughtered by anyone; just as you said Sega slaughtered the Dreamcast, so Nintendo did with the N64. Granted, the N64 had some great games (Goldeneye, Zelda, Perfect Dark, et al.), but for the most part it was riding on the wave of Nintendo's name.

      :Lav

    5. Re:NES Anyone? by xJoe · · Score: 1

      Better graphics, not better sound.

      The big problem for the SMS was that there were nearly no good games for it.

    6. Re:NES Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      N64 was "slaughtered" by the Dreamcast? You ever looked at some worldwide unit sales for these things? N64 trounced the Dreamcast (although both were great consoles).

      Some people seem to forget that the N64 sold over 30 million units -- that's more than the Mega Drive (Genesis)! It was very successful. Yeah, the PSone sold about 3x as much but that doesn't mean the N64 fared badly at all.

      Oh, and Contra wasn't the reason for the NES' success. It had Mario and Zelda, it revived the games world from the horrible slump it was suffering thanks to absolute masses of crap (much like with the PS2 and Xbox now), and it had the idea of the EVENT GAME (like movie marketing).

    7. Re:NES Anyone? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "Come on; anyone who grew up with the SMS and NES knew that the NES was the superior platform. Better games, more of them, better graphics and better sound."

      The only SMS I own is the Powe Base Converter that plugs into the Sega Genesis. But even if I didn't have that, there are still plenty of SMS emulators out there.

      With that being said, anybody that's looked at both the NES and SMS knows that the SMS is the superior hardware platform hands down. The graphics are sharper and have more colors. I've never seen a SMS game experience slow-down because of too many sprites. And let's face it: The SMS's FM sound is well above and beyond the NES's two analog sound channels and two noise makers.

      Now, the games you can play? Let's just say that I've never seen Zelda on the SMS. But that's an entirely different matter.

      Play Gradius on the NES. Then play R-Type on the SMS. Then try to tell me the NES has superior hardware.

      "Why aren't they releasing the NES instead of the SMS. I might pay for the NES, but there is no way I'd pay for the SMS now."

      You don't live in Brazil. The NES dominated North America because of a fluke: It came out first and had a massive user base before the SMS tried it's thing. Pretty much the same story in Japan. But the SMS ruled in Europe and South America (where the two came out at the same time). With the same starting point, the NES simply couldn't compete with a hardware platform developed years after the Famicom.

      "Besides, why would I bother with any of this anyways when I can play every single ROM for all those old school platforms on my Dreamcast [dcemulation.com] from a single CD!!"

      Because the games are good enough to pay money for. I can download and play Phantasy Star on an SMS emulator, but I'm still glad I went through the effort to get the actual cartridge.

    8. Re:NES Anyone? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "That's the funny thing. The NES came out later than the Master System, and thus had better inherent technology."

      Troll.

      Um... no, it didn't. The hardware platform we call the SMS was developed years after the Famicom. Just because the NES was released years after the Famicom doesn't mean the NES wasn't a Famicom.

      I mean, come on! When was the last time you heard the NES play a MIDI?

      "The SNES slaughtered the Genesis. Why? See the above."

      No, it didn't. The Genesis always had a larger library and a larger installed base. At best Nintendo managed to tie the Genesis at the end.

      "However, one could argue that the SegaCD easily slaughtered the SNES."

      Now you're no longer a troll but a troll on crack. If the SNES "slaughtered" the Genesis, how did a peripheral for the Genesis slaughther the SNES? Obviously the peripheral can't sell more than the platform it attatches to..

      "which was slaughtered by the N64"

      Then explain the whole N64/PSX thing.

      "Which was slaughtered by the Dreamcast."

      And yet the Dreamcast died before the N64.

    9. Re:NES Anyone? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "Better graphics, not better sound."

      NES: Two analog wave generators, two noise-makers.

      SMS: Full MIDI support.

      Try again.

    10. Re:NES Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      NES: Two analog wave generators, two noise-makers.

      SMS: Full MIDI support.

      Try again.


      NES had four channels of sound (with one channel supporting 4-bit samples) and one noise generator. SMS had three channels of sound and one noise generator. NES was better, technologically speaking.

      The Japanese version of the Master System had an FM sound chip, but this was not included in the rest of the world for cost reasons.

      I don't know where you got the idea the SMS had "full MIDI support." Firstly, MIDI is only a communication standard and has no effect on sound quality. Secondly, you're on crack.
    11. Re:NES Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it didn't. The Genesis always had a larger library and a larger installed base. At best Nintendo managed to tie the Genesis at the end.

      Erm, other poster may have been a troll but there's no need for your attitude. You're so wrong you look stupid.

      According to Sega, around 30 million Genesis units were sold; meanwhile, Nintendo state that over 50 million SNESs were sold. Searching through some decent sources via Google confirms this completely.

      Never mind, eh?

    12. Re:NES Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The SNES didn't slaughter the Genesis. The SNES had some good games, but Sega won the 16-bit wars.

  15. Wooden panelling... by flippet · · Score: 2
    Awww... it's just not the same without the wooden panelling from the first one...

    Phil, just me

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    1. Re:Wooden panelling... by Doomrat · · Score: 2

      You're confusing it with an Atari.

    2. Re:Wooden panelling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All electronic devices should have some kind of wood panelling.

  16. Whats so new about this? by eggstasy · · Score: 2

    Pirate consoles have always been made. SMS, NES, I think I even saw a SNES clone once. Heck you can still find plenty of Atari 2600 clones with 100 built-in games and, of course, a playstation-like case to fool the illiterate.
    You can even get bootleg cartridges for them, with really weird games. Like, I once saw (and played) a Famicom clone with a cartridge that claimed to be "Street Fighter IV". And this was around the time that SF2 was still pretty popular. The graphics were crap, even by NES (or Famicom) standards, and the game was very buggy and amateurish.
    Stay away from consoles who claim to have a bazillion games built-in: They're usually just different entry points into the same crappy game.

    1. Re:Whats so new about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. This is not a pirate console! Please READ before being clueless.

    2. Re:Whats so new about this? by Fafhrd · · Score: 2

      The big deal is that this is made by the official Sega licensee in Brazil. It's anything but a pirate console.

  17. Classic console games still rule by Ivo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmm, I might even buy one of those sometime.

    I still regret ever selling my atari 2600. Even though the graphics sucked in comparison with modern consoles, it was still good for hours and hours of fun.

    I think the fun vs graphics ratio was much higher back then. Todays games look awesome, but gameplay usually bores after a few hours. I still much rather play 4d sports driving than any recent f1 simulator, and I was way more fascinated by and addicted to the original Mario than to todays 3d versions..

    1. Re:Classic console games still rule by OzJimbob · · Score: 2

      Absolutely; platform games, and horizontal or vertical shoot-em-ups are just so fun and addictive. Sonic the Hedgehog is still my favourite game of all time, closely followed by the likes of Ghosts and Goblins, Wonderboy and Jet Set Willy.

      I'd like to see all this funky, new Open GL accellerated hardware put to good use in developing eye-candy saturated 2d platform games. Imagine how sweet they could look! The majority of 3D games these days look..well...ugly. Dull, poorly-modelled 3D characters with bruised looking skins. Give me a cartoonish pixellated 2D character any day.

      --
      -"I still believe in revolution; I just don't capitalize it anymore." - srini!
  18. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by JayBonci · · Score: 2

    It seems you're right. There are listed around the web a few Sonic games for the Master System. I thought it was a genesis-original title.

    Seems like you learn new stuff everyday. Even about archaic video games. ;)
    --jaybonci

  19. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because the SMS and GG have the same engines. They're virtually teh same thing.

  20. The game descriptions are hilariously translated by Anik315 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great Volleyball

    This is a game repleto of intelligent booties, simply mortal estonteantes and cut attacks.

    Uuuh right...

  21. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Skiboo · · Score: 2

    I have an legit cart of Sonic the Hedgehog for the Master System, I'm pretty sure it was made after the Megadrive/Genesis version, since there was still a market for the SMS at the time.

  22. Re:Mattel action figures! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    okay, i modded it up. i'm really really sorry, isuck. i promise to stare at the goatse guy for a full half hour to repair my cosmic karma, sadly i fear my slashdot karma is not so easily repairable.

  23. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's completely legit. Tec-Toy is the official Brazilian manufacturer/distributor of Sega machines and games.

  24. BABY! I will live with deeply emotive challenges! by dagg · · Score: 3, Funny
    "... where you it will have the chance to live deeply emotive challenges."

    That is one great game. Gotta love translators.

    --
    Deeply emotive sex quiz
    --
    Sex - Find It
  25. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by alpharoid · · Score: 1

    Tec Toy is a big name in Brazil, and has already sold millions of Master System units, going way back to the 8-bit fever days. In fact, Brazil was probably the best market in the world for the SMS, as it sold reasonably more than the NES. They even got brave enough to program a few games themselves for the Brazilian market, including the 8-meg port of Street Fighter II. Properly licensed by Capcom, I might add.

    It seems highly unlikely that they would openly pirate SMS games in a bundle like that. Piracy really is big in Brazil, but I'd be surprised to see it coming from such a large company.

  26. All-in-one game systems are common in Asia too. by Ryu2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All in one game systems are really common in Asian countries, particularly China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. If you go to stores in any of those places, you can find systems (generally, clones of the NES/Famicom) with literally hundreds of games in ROM. The coolest system I saw had the entire system+games built into the form factor of a controller, which had RCA video output to plug in directly to your TV.

    Of course, it's unauthorized, but still, many classic games have their endearing value, and it's easier than carrying around all those carts, or messing around with a emulator on your PC.

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  27. Linux? by quigleymd · · Score: 5, Funny

    No. But most certainly it will run netbsd...

    1. Re:Linux? by Walterk · · Score: 1

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of those!

      Would be excellent for some LAN parties.

    2. Re:Linux? by snak0rific · · Score: 1

      can't linux run on a wristwatch or a cellphone? what makes you think it can't be ported to a sega? ARE YOU DAFT!

      --
      -- "Put on your big girl panties and lift!"
    3. Re:Linux? by 00_NOP · · Score: 2

      Technical reason: because Linux requires an MMU. Some of the linux offshoots might be runnable if someone can be bothered to take the effort to port it. But, that's like porting Linux-likes to 8086 hardware - once one guy has done it, there is just *no* reason for anybody else to too!

      Of course all the people who say this on /. are the types who have never written a line of C in their puff. If you want to run Linux on some device or other buy a book about C and get on with it.

  28. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by \\ · · Score: 2

    it IS a genesis original title.. it was then released for the master system, then game gear. supposedly the sms version was pretty good, too.

  29. yeah, that's a bad thing :( by protomala · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do you know why this is happening?
    Well I do know and I can tell you, this because of a de-valorization of brazilian currency (real) that is making every imported product very expensive.
    The big difference between videogames and computer was the price, but with low offer and a Dollar being 3.6 Reais, a ps2 (imported, sony dosen't build playstations here, they say because if piracy, but it's their fault there is piracy, it's kind sof loophelp) is R$ 1300 (there are varations).
    Gamecube, that is build here by gradiente is arround same price.

    Well, the thing is that
    1. we get our sallaries in reais, not dollars, so rellatively, a videogame for us is almost 10 times the price in esa

    2. the difference between "in development" contries from europe/usa/japan is bassically that we gain less money for the same job, so besides being more expensive, we have less money to expend too. The minimal sallary in brasil is R$ 200, the medium is R$ 500. How can you buy a product that is R$ 1300 if you have to pay for food/rent/live?

    3. releasing older videogames is a way to make cheap videogames. Most poor people dosen't care if they videogame can play Final Fantasy X or DVDs, they don't have money for the games, cds or dvds anyway...

    4. master system 3 price is arround R$ 300

    5. I already forgot about buying a ps2 :P A psx is now more expensive then when I buyied mine (that time our currency was more close than dollar value).

    6. the only sollution for all this problem is for semi-condutors where made in the own market contry.
    But this won't happen, because USA is supporting heavilly those companies to stay there (see the case of microsoft judgement, they said they could move to canada and Bush's administration made a "cool" deal with them).

    So basically tectoy is attacking a market that always existed here, but was dominated by illegal importation from paraguay: poor people.

    I do like the idea. I do want poor people have fun with videogames too, even that are old ones and I hope tectoy do have suscess.

    1. Re:yeah, that's a bad thing :( by protomala · · Score: 1

      Just forgot to say why this is a bad thing: Poor people without money do buy a videogames shouldn't exists. Things in development countries should be less expensive, our sallaries should be bigger :)

    2. Re:yeah, that's a bad thing :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Sorry people, who want to read, please use the google translator. ;)

      Faltou falar das taxas de importação de 70% que ajudam a tornar um importado 3 vezes mais caro do que lá. Um notebook por exemplo, legalmente importado custa R$10.000.

    3. Re:yeah, that's a bad thing :( by John+Harrison · · Score: 3, Informative
      Faltou falar das taxas de importação de 70% que ajudam a tornar um importado 3 vezes mais caro do que lá. Um notebook por exemplo, legalmente importado custa R$10.000.

      translation:
      You neglected to mention the import tarrif of 70% which help make an imported item three times more expensive than there (I assume they mean the USA). A notebook, for example, imported legally, costs R$10,000 (what is that now, US$3,500?).

    4. Re:yeah, that's a bad thing :( by AntiUser · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's about right. Brazil has a floating exchange rate and the American currency was on the rise throughout the course of the presidential elections (speculators in fear of the leading, and now elected, socialist candidate Luis Inacio Lula da Silva). After the elections, the exchange rate took a downfall but is now floating around R$ 3.4 - 3.6, which is still pretty bad.
      Some products here (such as music CDs and TV sets) are very cheap if compared to the prices in the USA or Europe, because those are built here. Imported products, however, suffer with the import taxes and exchange rate, which is the case of the PS2.

    5. Re:yeah, that's a bad thing :( by John+Harrison · · Score: 2
      I felt that music CDs were cheap during the era of the Cruziero and Cruziero Real (less than US$10), but once the Plano Real went into effect the prices went to US$18 - 20 and stayed there. At the time this was more expensive than in the US. This became a serious obstacle to completing my goal of buying all of Legiao Urbana's albums.

      So what does a music CD cost in Brazil now?

    6. Re:yeah, that's a bad thing :( by perdelucena · · Score: 1

      You can buy

      Legiao CDs nowadays from R$15 to R$21
      U$4 - U$4.5 each. I wish I had a job where I could recieve my salary in dollar... :(

    7. Re:yeah, that's a bad thing :( by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

      Too late! I already have all of them... But thanks for the link.

  30. Not so new... by Ratow · · Score: 4, Informative

    This kind of thing is not new here in Brazil. There is another company that makes NES clones. It has even more games... and a PISTOL! Here's the the page(in portuguese). http://www.dynacom.com.br/abertura2/dyn_fr_abertur a.htm And since you looove google translated pages.

  31. Based on the translated page... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it reads like they could make a franchise of 'All your base are belong to us' games.

  32. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by JayBonci · · Score: 2

    If that's the case, then great. It doesn't really display the credentials of what us legality-twitchy Americans have come to expect from those sorts of clone machines. It no doubt is an interesting piece.

    What really gets me is why publish a 20-in-1 cart with the console then? I know that wouldn't fly then, but I never saw the real gamer appeal (outside of the collector or hopeful collector like myself)... Typically the games in those multicarts are the same game, hacked several different ways, or a large multirom of pirated or poorly hacked together games.

    Maybe it's a cultural difference between China/ Hong Kong/Brazil and the rest of the world in regards to the appeal of pirate multi-carts (100-n-1, 520-n-1, 10000-n-1). Quantity vs. Quality? The NES had a fair production of them, due to it's popularity, but honestly, this is the first mention of one I've heard of for the master system.

    An interesting unit indeed.

    In regards to the Capcom port, I have played several pirate originals of Street Fighter for the NES. The colors were a little yellow, the controls not the greatest, but it was far better than the other originals I have played and played. Do you know if the 8-bit port of SFII was for NES or for SMS?

    Thanks
    --jaybonci

  33. ...old news is new again [sarcasm on] by gmezero · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't really anything amazing. Tec Toy originally released this system back in 1989. Granted that release only has 21 games built into it at the time. I belive they released a second one in the mid 90's that had a larger number of titles. This is the same hardware, just more games built in. For more info on the SMSIII, check SegaBase... scroll down the page about 1/2 way.

    1. Re:...old news is new again [sarcasm on] by Gax · · Score: 1

      It appears this is a misprint. If you look to the bottom of the same page it states:

      - The Sega Master System II (U.S. and Europe, 1990)
      - The Sega Master System III (Brazil, c.1987)

      It is more likely that the Master System 3 was released in 1997.

    2. Re:...old news is new again [sarcasm on] by gmezero · · Score: 1

      Whatever... the point is, this isn't really hot news. This company has already released atleast one of these before in the past.

    3. Re:...old news is new again [sarcasm on] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you knew about it already doesn't mean everyone else did. Asshat.

    4. Re:...old news is new again [sarcasm on] by Gax · · Score: 1

      The first one didn't have any games built in, it was usually bundled with one or two titles - Alex Kidd or Shinobi. It was only when the Master System was released that the hardware was cheap enough to incorporate a complete game (usually Sonic 1)

      As a side note, Meka - the Windows or DOS based Master System emulator - has recently gained support for these built-in games, treating them as normal ROM images.

    5. Re:...old news is new again [sarcasm on] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nintendo 128 came out today. But its not news according to gmezero because the Nintendo 64, SNES and NES have been out for YEARS.

      Read the FAQ. No one cares if you don't like the articles.

  34. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by JayBonci · · Score: 3, Informative

    After a little additional research, I found a link from tsr's NES archive (a completely awesome site) that has a brief blurb about the state of piracy in brazil. It seems like Sega actually granted them some leway to do game hacks:
    http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/nes/brazil/brazil.html

  35. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can tell this because there was never a Sonic the Hedgehog (as per the screenshot)for the Master System.

    What?! Why do so many people think that? It always annoys me. There were numerous Sonic games for the Master System (ones on Game Gear were different). I owned Sonic 1 & 2 on SMS.

  36. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Swiss_Cheeseman · · Score: 5, Informative

    You americans are so clueless ;P

    The master system was somewhat sucessful down here, and im pretty familiar with the platform.
    This is just a short summary of all of the good sonic games released. Im not putting in crap like Sonic Spinball or Sonic Blast (not sonic 3d either, although sonic 3d wasnt really crap)
    *Sonic 1 came first on the genesis/megadrive.
    *A Master System version was made. Very different from the Genesis/Megadrive, but just as good, still heaps of fun.
    *Game Gear port released. Same as master system but due to the game gears smaller screen (and less resolution) it was, well, smaller.
    *Sonic 2 for the game gear got released first this time.
    *Sonic 2 for the genesis/megadrive released
    *Sonic 2 GG ported to the master system.
    *Sonic Chaos released for the Game Gear. Best of the SMS/GG sonic series for some, although I prefer sonic 1. You coult use Tails as a playable character this time.
    *Sonic Chaos ported to Master System. Average port, some slowdown.
    *Sonic 3 released for the Genesis
    *Sonic & Tails released for the GG in japan.
    *Sonic & Tails released elsewhere as Sonic Triple Trouble. Never got ported officially to SMS, as it was pretty much dead by now in everywhere but brazil. If you looked around enough, you could probably find a crappy port, i dunno, but any brazillian GG -> SMS port is really REALLY bad, so avoid.

  37. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Swiss_Cheeseman · · Score: 1

    Im australian by the way, forgot to include that in my post. Im not brazillian =P Also, The SMS 3 has been out for ages in brazil, its nothing new.

  38. Re:The game descriptions are hilariously translate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's beach volleyball, do you shake your (intelligent) booties ?

  39. This is great news, but by Gax · · Score: 1

    ... will there be a Sonic Adventure port? :)

    On a more serious note, does anyone know of games currently being developed for the SMS? According to SMS Power the last game to be developed was in 1997.

    1. Re:This is great news, but by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2

      I have seen a few games with a date of 1999. Can't remeber the name, but I am sure they were from Brazil. (Plus a bunch of Pokemon games from 1999-2000).

      Won't be long before people realize that yes -- gameplay does matter, cutscenes don't matter. Long live the retro scene!!

      --
      (+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
  40. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by alpharoid · · Score: 1

    You're right -- it's a cultural thing. Multicart consoles were especially big during the Atari 2600 days, when you could pack 200+ games into a console. None of them was any larger than 4k, and most were mediocre clones of mediocre games, but having a 2600 with 200 games meant you were more hardcore than the kid next door with an original, licensed console.

    The SFII port was for the SMS. As far as I know, it's the only 8-meg title ever made for the console, but unfortunately that's its biggest selling point. Nowhere near as brilliant as the Japanese port for the PC-Engine, but certainly better than the bootleg SFII that I played on the NES!

  41. Re:BABY! I will live with deeply emotive challenge by flippet · · Score: 2
    Hang On - "It pilots a motion poisoned in a emotive dispute."

    ...and I thought it was just a motorbike game.

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  42. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Swiss_Cheeseman · · Score: 1

    heh, im posting a lot in this thread. They were not identical, just very similar. The GG had a much larger pallet, which is why GG to SMS conversions seemed to be washed out, and had bad fade to black transitions, and on some of the really bad ports, due to the smaller screen on the GG, even had nasty disappearing sprites.

  43. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Swiss_Cheeseman · · Score: 1

    I also played the port of SF2 for the sms. It is the best fighter on the system, period. Wanna play the worst? Play MK3 for the SMS! Not only is it the worst fighter on the master system, its the worst fighter in EXISTANCE!! I like the MK series and all, but damn, this is even worse than that monstrosity MK Advance.

  44. Good machine translation. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2


    "São jogos de aventura, ação, esportes, raciocínio e muito mais para você não querer largar mais o Master System."

    should be translated as:

    "There are games of adventure, action, sports, reasoning and much more so that you won't want to relinquish [stop playing] the Master System."

    The machine translation is excellent, I think. It's amazing. In a time when companies often are doing self-destructive things, Google gets it right.

  45. Yes, it's legal. by foobrain · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, it's legal. TecToy has all the Sega rights here in Brazil, from Master System to Dreamcast, including Mega Drive (Genesis in US) and Game Gear.

    There are also "official game hacks" made by them, such as "Sapo Xulé", "Chapolim Colorado" and "Monica no Castelo do Dragão". They hacked some games (Psycho Fox, Alex Kidd etc) to sell based on some known characters.

    Some games were also produced by them, such as the "Duke Nukem 3D" version of Mega Drive, a platform game of "Pica-Pau" (Woody Woodpecker) and "Show do Milhão" (Brazilian "hack" of the TV show "Who wanna be a millionaire?").

    So it's not like those "Polystations" (damn horrible Famicom -- or NES -- clones inside a Playstation case) or those "controllers with a huge amount of games inside", it's just another version, such as those being released by Majesco.

    Unfortunately it's a stripped-down Master System, so you don't have a slot to plug-in your 3D Googles or Sega Cards...

    1. Re:Yes, it's legal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      3D Googles? I've seen no indication of this at labs.google.com! :)

  46. This one takes the cake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://famiclone.emucamp.com/polystation/polystati on.htm

    POLYstation? Does this thing scream Granny Fodder or what? (I saw this on an ad on an Italian local tv station, btw... for 99 euro...)

  47. Right on! by Rhinobird · · Score: 2

    I was scrolling through the list of games and saw Shinobi...does that mean that *ahem* Shinobi's back?

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  48. Old skool gamer speaks out by rinkjustice · · Score: 1, Flamebait
    I can't see what the big stink is about. Sure these old games were fun, and maybe even now have a certain retro appeal to them, but this is not going to rock the gaming world. Namco's been pimping their old stuff for years now... whoopity-freakin-do.


    I don't mean to be insultive, but I just don't understand what the big deals about (other than possible legal issues).

    1. Re:Old skool gamer speaks out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're quite right, though according to /. lore, this would be monumental for gaming if they were to be released on Linux, and a huge step forward towards Linux being desktop ready.

  49. Damn Button! by the-real-wormz · · Score: 1

    This is all good and well, but I distinctly remember spending hours with a kitchen knife trying to get the damn pause button back out while playing Alex the Kid on the Master System! Surely I wasn't the only one.

    1. Re:Damn Button! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the same problem after the cat decided My SMS was the *best* place to pee.

  50. 74? BFD by DarkHelmet · · Score: 2
    The thing to get excited about: it will include 74 games built-in.

    I can get a dreamcast with 500 or so SMS built into it if I burn a mame cd and tape the cd player shut..

    Huh huh, that'd be cool.

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  51. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Sonic & Tails released elsewhere as Sonic Triple Trouble

    I think it was Sonic and Knuckles, a huge MegaDrive cartridge with an expansion port for previous sonic games.

    There's a story here somewhere, because the first 3 levels of Sonic and Knuckles are hidden on the Sonic 3 cartridge. It's very strange...

  52. nostalgia based revenue? by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 2

    I used to love the days of playing sonic and wonder boy all weekend on a master system - also had a game gear. Other than playing these games for 'remember the good old days' purposes this is a poor man's console. The console probably costs next to nicks to manufacture and the games are already there, probably an idea that won't cost much and will sell in time for christmas.

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  53. This is better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=443&p =10

    Stare. Scroll down a bit. Stare again. Repeat.

    "We got it right this time!"

  54. I believe people didn't get the point on this....: by jessieDyke · · Score: 5, Informative

    I believe there is a BIG confusion on your part... I am from Brazil, and I think I should tell you all that the true reason for the SMS being constantly reborn in Brazil is not the fact Tectoy venerates the SMS, but instead the fact the SMS can make a very unexpensive game plataform... and the only one 90% of the brazilian families can afford, considering what they make in an year wouldn't be able to afford a PlayStation II or a GameCube for example. And since they can't afford buying new games, hence the 74 built in games:(

    I wish I had something better to say, and could see this as a great console rebirth ( I personally love SMS's R-Type ), but it's not... it's simply a consequence of poverty.

    Kisses,

    jessie

  55. as a brazilian... by wneto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i can say its pretty sad. While some of you think about the "nostalgic cool factor", its just an economic solution for us. Brazils minimum wage is around $54 USD (R$200 - yey), so this console is one of the very few afordable eletronic gadgets avaiable for this xmass. Everyone wants a ps2 or a xbox.. but they cost around r$1800 ($493 usd) and the games around r$180 ($49 usd). The only solution then its to revive old gadgets with the technology avaiable, as importing anything right now is practically impossible. A few days ago i started to get the catalogs and it was really scary. The latest pentium 4 3ghz box? Not less than r$10k. A tablet pc? not less than $15k. Something to give you an idea: a new car, built here, starts at r$13k.

    - Dad. I want a xbox!
    - No can do, son. Heres your 8 bit master system.

    - Dad. I want a new box. I cant play any new games on this pentium 133.
    - Ok son, heres your pentium 233.

    - Dad. I want a tablet pc.
    - No can do son. Dont you prefer a brand new car? Its cheaper!

    aargh!

    Yes. It is sad.

    1. Re:as a brazilian... by stud9920 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Next time don't vote for a communist ! Are you still allowed to play anything besides Tetris anyway ? Tetris will run just fine on your SMS3.

    2. Re:as a brazilian... by psin+psycle · · Score: 1

      hey... how's Lulu working out for you guys? I heard alot of good stuff about him before he was elected but nothing since. I had the feeling he was going to shake some sense into the western world... there were rumors about defaulting on the national debt etc. any signs of improvement? since this is offtopic for this board feel free to email be privatly...

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    3. Re:as a brazilian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our new president that will start on his job January, 1st, 2003 is not a communist by any means.He will have a hard work, since our economy is currently broken, and this is to blame to our current president Fernando Henrique.
      IMF help is working here as well as it worked in Argentina where people are jobless and *starving*. Our interests rates are around 22% a year while US is just 0.5%. Banks are making big money, people, even ones who have high tech jobs can afford almost any imported stuff, including new computers.
      I think the only good side of the story is that people are now more concerned about open source software, since *M$* software is pretty damn expensive now.

    4. Re:as a brazilian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lula, will start his term next January 1st.

      see current situation.

    5. Re:as a brazilian... by stud9920 · · Score: 2
      I think the only good side of the story is that people are now more concerned about open source software, since *M$* software is pretty damn expensive now
      No, they'll do as everyone else, they'll make illegal copies. It's a myth that only the Chinese do, and I am almost certain it's also a myth USians mostly don't.
    6. Re:as a brazilian... by perdelucena · · Score: 1

      I know law enforcement here in Brazil is not as serious as it is supposed to be, but our current economic situation is making people change their minds. We have commercials showing on open televison threatening software pirates. If our new government indeed work for open software initiatives as it promises we can relly have a change here.

    7. Re:as a brazilian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Next time don't vote for a communist!"

      Are you really that stupid? They voted for Lulu (who is not a communist; I shouldn't be surprised as most 'merkans don't know what communists are) partially *because* of this collapse, which was arrived at by following the advice of IMF and US. He (Lulu) won't even start until next year.

    8. Re:as a brazilian... by Artifex · · Score: 2

      Reading comments like this makes me realize we need a +1 non-U.S. comment filter, or at least a +1 country-of-story's-origin filter.

      I find these comments so much more insightful than '[X]sucks! Why do you [X]?' comments. To those people, I say: try reading before posting.

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    9. Re:as a brazilian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, why even bother to let people vote these days if all they are going to do is make ignorant decisions? Just restrict elections to bankers, economists, and foreign business interests - problem solved. Those same interests will go on scaremongering campaigns and effectively cripple the economy if 'their man' doesn't get in anyhow.. might as well just dispense with the formalities and streamline the process.

    10. Re:as a brazilian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They voted for Lulu

      Don't forget to say you wiiiiIIilll
      Don't forget to shout, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
      saaaaay you will
      throw your head back, baby
      saaaaay you will
      ah come on, ah come on

    11. Re:as a brazilian... by Fafhrd · · Score: 1

      Now that's a troll if I ever seen one! Lula, the Brazilian president elect has made deals with several parties to support his government, most of them as far from communism or socialism as they can be. Some were even considered right-wing!

      Some of his biggest suppporters now have been in positions of power in Brazil since the military dictatorship ('64-'85)... I seriously doubt they'll let him change things around much. Lula had socialist ideas years ago, but now he's much more of a social democrat.

      Also, since he won't take over until January, I don't think it's fair to blame him for our current problems... let's wait a bit for that.

      And we're free to play whatever we want, thank you very much. However, keep this in mind: I'm an Computer Engineer with 5 years of experience, and an X-Box or a PS2 costs here close to half my monthly income. As much as I'd love to play Crazy Taxi III (I'm a big Sega fan), I do have a ton of other priorities... like rent and groceries.

      For the record, I did not vote for Lula on the election. I supported Ciro Gomes, the candidate of the PPS... ten years ago this was the Brazilian Communist Party, but they have since come a lot closer to the center. I didn't think Lula was the best candidate, but I expect him to be a good president.

      I've observed that most Americans are very right-wing, and they don't have a lot of grays in their view: you're either a conservative, or a commie pinko bastard (actually, some liberal Americans would probably be considered very conservative elsewhere). In Brazil, a lot of people skew to the left politically (probably the majority nowadays), but communists and socialists are few and far between. There's a lot of shades on liberal politics, but some people seem to be blinded to it.

  56. I still have Mine by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I still have a Sega Master System.

    Sure, I had an Atari, but it wasn't much of a gaming machine. Back then, you'd still have to go to the arcade with quarters to play something decent.

    When I got a Master System, that was when I really got into games. I was hooked on Wonder Boy in Monster Land, and play it to this day... It isn't really that difficult to beat, but it's fun just the same.

    Wonder Boy, Out Run, Shinobi... Those games are one of a rare breed that never get boring, and yet you can't find them on newer systems. What's it take? 20 years before a great game is considered worthy of being ported to the newest platform as a "classic"?

    But it seems as if everyone but me has forgotten the past. Why is it that, up until about the 32-bit days, almost every game was enjoyed by everyone? Now, you are forced to rent/try a game first, because it's more rare to find a game you'll like than one you wont. It seems that, as graphics got better, and storage was increased, the game developers started doing their jobs far worse than before.

    Why oh why have games gone down this path? What was so special about the <32-bit days that no one can emulate today? Well, whatever it is, I'm not worried about it. Unlike CDs, my old carts have been around for many years, and will be here for years to come. And generations from now, no matter how much games improve, I bet just about anyone would still enjoy playing any of these old games as much as I do. Maybe they'll even ask themselves why modern games aren't as much fun as the ancient ones.

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    1. Re:I still have Mine by suraklin · · Score: 1

      I think your memories are clouded a bit. Take off the rose colored glasses when looking back on the yesteryear of gaming. Yes there were a lot of good games, but there were also quite a few bad ones as well.

      I think the difference is there were fewer games produced then so the ratio of good:crap was better. There were only two console makers that counted (SEGA/Nintendo) then, and they were still trying to shake off the adverse effects of the crash in '83 when all the old school consoles dwindled and died. So not a whole lot was produced. Now there are three major consoles in the market, all doing decently. Last time I checked video games was a 5+ billion dollar a year industry, so more companies take a risk in releasing a game that may be sub par.

    2. Re:I still have Mine by evilviper · · Score: 2
      I think your memories are clouded a bit. Take off the rose colored glasses when looking back on the yesteryear of gaming. Yes there were a lot of good games, but there were also quite a few bad ones as well.

      Well you should think again. My memories of SMS games is incredibly recent. Even today you occasonally find a game available. As of yet, having bought dozens of games, I have never found one I did not enjoy playing. Of course, some are better than others, but that's besides the point.

      I don't think you can really argue that there were less consoles either. Sure the SMS & NES were the big contenders, but Atari was still around, with new games for it's consoles, and some other competitors tried, but only stuck around for a few months (e.g. Turbo Grafix 16, IIRC.)

      Less games made might be true, but I've played tons of modern games, and it is actually rare to find a good one. Screw the ration, even if there are more games made, there are even less playable ones on modern systems, than on the SMS in TOTAL.
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  57. Yes it is by Retype · · Score: 2, Informative

    You really should get informed before posting, but that would be asking to much.

    Tectoy is a great toy company here in Brasil and they are making master system and a lot of other sega consoles and games since I was very young(now i 'm 18). I'm sure they where granted by sega to make this console and all the games that come with it.

    Also brasil is not comparable to china. Here we have patent law just like in the us. I don't know what you are afraid of, piracy is not legal here.

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  58. Hang On! by krypt0n0mic0n · · Score: 1

    Hang On
    It pilots a motion poisoned in a emotive dispute.

    What's that got to do with motorcycles, let alone...well...darn near everything?

    It's not a flame, I used to play the game all the time. Im glad to see a (potential) comeback of this system.

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  59. Comments on the Brazilian videogame market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Brazilian videogame market is a legacy gamer's dream come true.

    Consoles rarely cease to be manufactured and sold. Any mainstream store has, at this very moment, Master Systems, Mega Drives, Saturns, Dreamcasts, NES, SNES, Nintendo 64s, Game Cubes, Playstations and Playstation 2s. Just walk into the store now and buy your shiny, new, Master System or NES system. All legal.

    Why do they do that? Price. There's something for everybody there. Furthermore, many stores allow their customers to play all the consoles and you'd be surprised, sitting near the testing stations, to learn that most young kids actually prefer 16-bit era games. They are just simpler and cuter, and mom and dad can actually buy one for each child in the home and maybe also one as a gift for a good neighbour.

  60. Can You...... by KAMiKAZOW · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ......imagine a beowulf cluster of these?

  61. pc! by HTSlayer · · Score: 1

    buying a new SMS is useless! u can play SMS, Neo Geo, GBA and lots of other roms and emulators in your PC and get those R$300 to buy another HD or so yea, the minimum wage here is like U$54 but lots of ppl i know have a ps2 or xbox the problem is the country is divided between ppl too poor and ppl too rich and the middle term is quite absent. so why would u buy a new SMS if u can get it and all the games for free on the internet?

  62. Can't help but comment.... by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    how all throughout the last years, with all the re-released games on various systems, it seems to be a reflection that many gamers just want to go back to simpler games where you could just sit down, start the game, and "get" how to play it within 30 seconds that so many games these days just don't have.

    The last game that had this for me was Metal Gear Solid (granted I knew the Nintendo versions + I'm talking about the VR simulations). Are there any actual modern games that can bring back the same feeling. I'd love to be able to play a new game w/o being told to RTFM.

  63. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Swiss_Cheeseman · · Score: 1

    actually, they are completely different games. Triple Trouble is Sonic and Tails, a game gear game. Sonic and Knuckles is a add-on (although it can be played stand alone) for Sonic 3/2 For sonic 2 it had an extra rom chip to basically swap sonic with knuckles. For sonic 3 it added more than three levels, it actually completed the game sonic 3 should have been. The levels werent hidden on the sonic 3 cart, although some areas (on existing levels) that were only for knuckles are. It was designed in mind for sonic & knuckles. go to http://ssrg.emulationzone.org/ for more information.

  64. To clear it up... by wneto · · Score: 1

    First, TecToy have a partnership with SEGA since 1987, i believe. Sega licensed the technology so it could be produced in Brazil. Actually, it have always been the cheapest console out there because of this deal.

    Second, TecToy also have a deal with Vtech, Tiger, Nikko, Tyco, Eletronic Arts, Aklaim, Midway, Williams, to name a few (but not all). From this partnership comes the 74 games builtin.

    my 2 cents

  65. Brazilian IP laws by yerricde · · Score: 1

    OK, I guess this Tectoy SMS is probably licensed, but now I'm curious about Brazilian copyright and patent law.

    Here we have patent law just like in the us.

    In Brazil, do you also have software patents?

    Do you have companies that apply for a patent, get it, hide it for years, and then enforce it, so as to harm other firms in the industry?

    Do you have broad look-and-feel copyrights, which the USA had until Lotus v. Borland?

    Do you have life+70 jail s^H^H^H^H^H^H copyright terms?

    Do you have lawsuits over copying a mere four notes?

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  66. Rose Tinted Spectacles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firstly, lemme just get something straight: I've played loads of old systems and there are still games that i find great fun.

    However, this whole "why aren't games as good as they used to be? I remember when every game was the dog's bollocks and there were no worries about the best grafix, blah blah" attitude really pisses me off. Yes, there were some kickass games back then. But there are kickass games now - there isn't some massive depreciation of quality all of a sudden nowadays. Sure, there are stinkers, but there was more than a fair share of those back then also. If anything, some games nowadays are far more entertaining than they could ever be before - hell, 10 years from now, we'll probably be bitching about how great the games USED to be on the good ol' Xbox.

    Seriously, get an eyetest. Rose-tinted spectacles went out around the same time as the 8-bit consoles.

    1. Re:Rose Tinted Spectacles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick correction: we'll probably be bitching about how great one game USED to be on the good ol' Xbox.

  67. Master System is not reborn ! by Rip_off_my_hands+! · · Score: 2, Informative

    Master System has never stoped being sold here in Brazil. Tec Toy is just making a a promotion, that is, selling a console with many games. That's all. And it's not just the high currency of Dolar that explains why Master System is still being sold. There's also the problem of import tax, which is around 60%; the high taxes that the stores pays the government, so that they must raise the price. This also explains why there's so much piracy in Brazil. Since the salaries weren't raised since dolar was at R$1,00 ( now it is at R$3,50), imagine how dificult is to buy PS2 or XBOX DVDs by R$250,00 ( roughly the price in Dolar of these consoles in US) ? People prefer to buy them at street shops ( illegal) by R$10,00 or R$15,00.

  68. tv! by yerricde · · Score: 1

    buying a new SMS is useless! u can play SMS, Neo Geo, GBA and lots of other roms and emulators

    Except for the GBA (which connects to a PC with the MBV2 link cable) it's pretty dang hard to find mass produced cart readers for game consoles.

    in your PC

    Most PCs do not have television output nor large (25-inch or larger) displays.

    so why would u buy a new SMS if u can get it and all the games for free on the internet?

    Because the SMS hasn't existed for 50 years. Brazil has a copyright law.

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  69. "The Translated Page" by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 1
    Ghost House

    Mickey is a boy who was in charge recapturing the precious rocks that the Dráculas they possess, however it has that to make this before its measurer of force arrives the zero.

    Also it is forgetting the tell Mickey are jumping over many of crates! Excitement too much, some crates having two and three high! Not playing without alcohol in the stomach anyway for steadiness.
  70. Playstation emulators != representative sample by freeweed · · Score: 2

    Seriously, if all you've tried are the various compilations for the Playstation, you don't know what you're missing.

    Take the NES games in Animal Crossing: BANG-ON EMULATION. I mean completely. This is what happens when the original company actually does the emulation.

    Hell, most of the better emulators for the Dreamcast are pretty damn good too. But Nintendo's efforts for the Gamecube are nothing short of astounding. Personally, I can't wait to try the Sonic set.

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  71. Re:74? BFD by freeweed · · Score: 2

    Mame doesn't emulate SMS games. Notice the 'A' in MAME stands for Arcade.

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  72. Engrish? by Captain+BooBoo · · Score: 1
    It pilots a motion poisoned in a emotive dispute. Its motion is FEARLESS 4, it was projected you to take off everything of it: maximum power, principle speed and a spectacular capacity of maneuver! It breathes deep and it holds firm the handlebar of its motion!

    Is that Engrish?

    1. Re:Engrish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It pilots a motion" in the basket, or else it gets the hose again...

  73. Re:The game descriptions are hilariously translate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a lot of Japanese game shows

  74. Great translations by smoondog · · Score: 2

    Certain day, when leaving the Perpetual Mount to go to its native land, Alex found a dying who made it a revelation: the pacific city of Radactian ran a great danger.

    Translated next line: All your base belong to us

    -Sean

  75. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by SimianKid · · Score: 1
    "You can tell this because there was never a Sonic the Hedgehog (as per the screenshot) for the Master System... "

    You're talking nonsense I'm afraid, there were at least two Sonic the Hedgehog games for the Master System. Link

  76. Holy crap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a cluster of these?!

  77. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by dirkdidit · · Score: 1

    SMS and GG had nearly the same processor specs. Their games were cross compatible with very little rewrite. So in a sense the GG was a portable SMS, much like the Nomad was a portable Genesis.

  78. THERE WAS sonic for SMS by Duds · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe not in the USA but there were no less than 4 Master System Sonic the Hedgehogs in the UK

    - Sonic 1
    - Sonic 2
    - Sonic Chaos
    - Sonic Spinball

  79. Easy Money w/ a step 2! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1:Raid Funcoland and garage sales
    Step 2:Go to Brazil
    Step 3:PROFIT!?!?!?!?!

  80. Why were there no good games for it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple. Nintendo used Microsoft-like anti-trust tactics to prevent game developers from making games for the SMS as well.

    You were either in the Nintendo camp, or not.

    "Exclusive Licensing" was the term that was used, I think... too bad, too. The SMS was clearly technologically superior.

  81. Intelligent booties... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intelligent = smart

    booties = um....ass?

  82. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hi Jay. Instead of noding I'll respond to your comment :) The game gear was capable of playing SMS games through an adapter as it uses the same CPU and all hardware is backwards-compatible. Two others have pointed out that the hardware is similar (but not identical) but they left out this small factor. Assuming you have control over what games are played on the system (as they do) it would be easiest to make a small non-portable game gear and only include SMS games which work with the system. As far as I know nearly every SMS game is playable on game gear.

    As a historical note, Sega also made a portable genesis known as a Nomad. It had six buttons on it (like the fighting controllers for genesis) and was compatible with all expansions except segacd. It is not directly compatible with 32X but people have gotten it to work anyway, though only with an external display. The nomad is essentially a second generation genesis with a small (but pretty good) LCD and an atrocious battery life. It uses the same power supply as the game gear, which means you can use the car power adapter from the game gear with it. It takes full-size genesis games. Forgotten Worlds doesn't work with it, so I'm selling mine. :P

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  83. A zillion emulation systems exist by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Offtopic
    The most common is NES emulators. You can find them at flea markets (typically) though the one in .roseville.ca.us didn't have ANY even though they had about ten vendors of crappy imported toys. However most of those are run by asians and I'm used to seeing the games in mexican-run stands at the flea in .santa-cruz.ca.us.

    The most common designs seem to be a SNES controller lookalike with ~20 games built in, and an N64 controller lookalike with ~100 games built in. Both run on batteries or a wall wart (not included) and have an RF out. I don't think either had a port for a second controller. I've seen one with a gun as well.

    If anyone knows where to get these things off the 'net that would be interesting.

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    1. Re:A zillion emulation systems exist by Babbster · · Score: 2

      Oddly enough, QVC has been selling the "N64 controller lookalike" you speak of. You can find it here though it says it is "waitlist only" - probably a lot of aunts, uncles and grandparents cheaping out on the little ones. ;)

  84. the manual... by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 1

    One side Spanish, the other side... Portugese!?

    I'm waiting for it to be translated. No way I'm going to be out in the cold, unable to function _my_ 8 bits.

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  85. 3-D Glasses by nil_null · · Score: 1

    Ok, where are the 3-D Glasses? :)

    1. Re:3-D Glasses by Duds · · Score: 1

      The Master System 2 didn't have the card or 3d glasses port, let alone the 3.

    2. Re:3-D Glasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's too bad, the 3-D glasses were really cool. I had the SMS1, it was rockin. I foolishly sold it, along with the 3-D glasses and gun.

  86. Software Pirates by sladelink · · Score: 1

    Did they sing "Don't Copy that Floppy"? Those are the best kinda pirates.

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  87. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by zonker · · Score: 0

    and now you can get those games and a few others in the sega mega sonic collection for gamecube!

  88. So get it for the GBA. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2

    At C$44, it's priced to own ;) 1, 2, and 3 all in one teeny, tiny cartridge.

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  89. A little clue into the reason this system exists by default+luser · · Score: 2, Informative

    Forgot to include this in my post above.

    Unlike the rest of the world, the Master System caught on heavily in Brazil, kinda like VCD in China. 3rd-party games were made and marked in Brazil well after the Master System died in other countries.

    This company in Brazil bought rights to manufacture the hardware after Sega stopped selling it. Hence the reason the page is in Portuguese. I somehow doubt that the system would be offered in English, let alone sold to other countries. I think they only have the rights to sell those in Brazil.

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  90. Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a BeoWulf Cluster of these! You could pull like 100 FPS maybe...though 8-bit color is pretty heavy even for a cluster...

  91. I can't resist... by ArcSecond · · Score: 2

    Game description for Sonic The Hedgehog"

    "It helps Sonic to fight against the flock of metallic maniacs with its Attack of Supersonic Turn and to defeat the Dr. Ivo Robotnik" ... or else it gets the hose again!

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  92. The Master System by petrus4 · · Score: 1

    From memory, the Master System wasn't a bad machine. I finished Sonic the Hedgehog on it, and can also remember having a blast with Alex Kidd in Miracle World a few times.
    For my money, the greatest console in existence is still the SNES. That console's Super Mario incarnation (Super Mario World) is still the most enjoyable I've played, and it had a number of other awesome games which I still play today...Super Double Dragon, Turtles in Time, Super Castlevania 4, and the Street Fighter 2 series.
    A re-release of the Master System could only be a good thing to my mind...I find that as graphical quality improves, gameplay declines at roughly the same level.

  93. Sega Master by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im Straight. I have The sega master, Game Gear, genesis, CD, 32X, CDX, Nomad, and Saturn
    I would like to get my hands on a Phantasy Star 1 cart for the Master System.
    Basshead_77@yahoo.com

  94. Re:Game gear as well! But is it legal? by Zathras11 · · Score: 1

    Not true. I own Sonic the Hedgehog for the SMS,
    as well as the Genesis. It WAS released, just
    not in the USA! I acquired it via a trade...
    complete with box and manual. Jealous? ;^)

  95. What about Zillion? by boy_afraid · · Score: 1

    I got addicted to RPG by playing Zillion and then graduated to the Phantasy Star saga.

  96. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can buy DVD players that can play Sega games. I have seen them for sale on the internet for less then $200. I was going to buy one of them, but the documentation said that Audio did not work, so forget it. O owned a Sega Master System Once, But I sold it cause my Nintendo systems and Genesis were better.

  97. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed from available
    data. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon
    shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold,
    as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much
    radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition seven times seven (49) times
    as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or fifty times in all. The light we
    receive from the Moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the
    Sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature
    of Heaven. The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where
    the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation,
    i.e., Heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using
    the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute
    temperature of the earth (~300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact
    temperature of Hell cannot be computed, but it must be less than 444.6C, the
    temperature at which brimstone or sulphur changes from a liquid to a gas.
    Revelations 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their
    part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten
    brimstone means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point,
    or 444.6C (Above this point it would be a vapor, not a lake.) We have,
    then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C.
    -- "Applied Optics", vol. 11, A14, 1972

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