Everyone is a lifelong learner, Storksdieck said, but once people leave school, that learning becomes a voluntary matter that's largely driven by individual taste.
Some people aren't learning.... They simply take whatever their political party happens to push and parrot it. Take intelligent design or global warming for instance.
No one claims that every single scientist on the face of the earth agrees that humans are causing global warming, that's not what scientific consensus means.
Oh yes... I've discussed the scientific consensus once in this story already. As a matter of fact, this is the second time I've linked to it already.... It seems all you guys are able to say is "scientific consensus" like a bunch of flat-earthers. Hey, everybody knows it's true, therefore it is!! That's called an appeal to belief and it doesn't make your argument any stronger.
I'd say the fact the entity making the claims about global warming is funded by an oil company is pretty damn relevant.
Right... that's what they all say when reproducing the experiments fails to verify that data you wanted us to ignore. Oh, you haven't reproduced the experiments? Wow, so you're saying their experiment is junk only because of who paid to have it done? Well then... classic ad hominem.
I merely said there's a scientific consensus that carbon dioxide emissions is causing global warming.
That's nice... I've also discussed that consensus in this story once already, so I'll just link you to that as well. Not that I expect you'll actually read any of it... because hey, you've got a consensus. What do facts have to do with it?
Right, random moron mouthing off on slashdot with the usual "correlation not equal to causation" bromide (which you didn't phrase accurately) must be believed over the overwhelming scientific consensus regarding anthropogenic global warming/climate change.
Ahhh, your overwhelming scientific consensus again. Words from the holy gospel at Realclimate.org. Let us read about it, shall we? From your article:
The main points that most would agree on as "the consensus" are:
The earth is getting warmer (0.6 +/- 0.2 oC in the past century; 0.1 0.17 oC/decade over the last 30 years (see update)) [ch 2]
People are causing this [ch 12] (see update)
If GHG emissions continue, the warming will continue and indeed accelerate [ch 9]
(This will be a problem and we ought to do something about it)
I've put those four points in rough order of certainty. The last one is in brackets because whilst many would agree, many others (who agree with 1-3) would not, at least without qualification.
Wow, that just oozes confidence, doesn't it... but let's look at the individual points made here:
Assuming the measurements are accurate. Arriving at a global mean temperature is voodoo enough, but when you place your surface temperature measuring stations beside air conditioning unit exhaust vents you have to wonder if the temperatures even reflect reality. Most of these stations surveyed have a margin of error in recording temperatures of more than 2C... while your measured catastrophic increase is 0.6C?? Next stop, measuring your member with an unmarked ruler. "Hey, it's about a foot long. Really!!"
How much of it are we causing exactly? We can all grapple with the idea that CO2 helps keep the planet warm and we are creating a lot of it. What I have yet to get out of any single climatologist is a hard number. Exactly how many degrees hotter is it going to be in 5 or 10 years. I take that back... The IPCC gave us a hard number in 1990. Sure enough, five years later they were WAY OFF. They've since started making *unverifiable in our lifetime* predictions 100 years out. Fantastic!
We're now glossing over point 2 and making broad assumptions. Nevermind that "To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming." [Source] Hmmm... what's the phrase I'm looking for here... something about correlation and causation.
This last one brings us to the ultimate death blow to the global warmers' argument. The warming we've experienced since the last glacial period has brought us grasslands, forests, jungles.... When the next glacial period comes, the planet will be covered mostly by icy tundra and extreme deserts again. Warming has only made this planet MORE habitable to us. I've got 12000 years of proof that warming is good. What do you have to the contrary?
As for "I don't understand where these people are coming from saying that warmer temperatures are bad", try asking the people in coastal areas and island nations such as Tuvalu, who have already been displaced, what they feel.
Sure, and while I'm at it, why don't you ask the entire population of blue states in the north eastern US if they'd like to be buried under a mile of ice again any time soon. That has always puzzled me.
Especially when it turns out that the analysis offered by that site is contradicted by the scientific community.
And yet, you've passed up another opportunity to provide any of that contradictory evidence. Seems to me, the reader, that you don't have any. You are simply continuing your ad hominem attack. If there's something on that page that is wrong, then you should point out what it is and provide your contradictory evidence. Otherwise, you're just some loudmouth blowhard on a message board shouting about "real" science.
Oh boy, here we go again. The IPCC... that political bunch of wankers. Do you guys know how to do anything but proclaim you're right because "everyone" agrees with you? I really love how everyone doesn't actually agree, but anyone who disagrees is automatically crucified for being a blasphemer by the cult of global warmers.
If you don't have anything to hide, you don't have a good reason to worry about losing your privacy, right?
I'm so glad you feel that way, I'll be right over with a camera to video you shagging the misses. We can put in online for the world to see... nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right?
How about the fact that everything (on 1.0) runs as root?
Being unable to run as root is where problems occur for developers. Behold the market for Nokia S60 v3 smartphone software. Half of the most popular apps are written by Nokia, because everyone else is busy jumping through flaming hoops to get their apps signed. The process is so damned bureaucratic, innovation freezes, developers loose interest in frustration, and Nokia ends up developing most of what little appears on the platform. Worse yet, the stated goal of providing security through signing is obvious bullshit when signed spyware starts popping up. It's all about Nokia controlling who gets signed and who gets to compete.
You're root comment is a user security issue and has NOTHING to do with the availability of an SDK. If iPhone is unable to run at different user levels it is NOT Mac OS X, because user levels are a fundamental property of any *nix OS.
Macintosh computers aren't riddled with viruses and security breaches, what makes you think Macintosh phones would be any different? If Apple's SDK "solution" is to sign apps instead of fixing their obviously broke ass permission system, then their SDK will be useless anyway just like their other iPhone "SDK." If Apple can't provide a hand held platform as open to developers as their desktop systems, then they will join the long list of companies that failed to revolutionize the mobile market.
Right now they're blowing it, just like they blew it with the Macintosh two decades ago. I wouldn't be so upset about it if I wasn't such a huge fan of the company.
Yeah, when one, single model from one, single manufacturer outsells ALL Windows Mobile smartphones from ALL manufacuturers for two quarters, that sure is a failure.
Yeah, and Mac minis outsell ALL FreeBSD computers from ALL manufacturers for two quarters... Wow that's a real achievement! What next? Will iPhone surpass the two tin cans connected by waxed string market too? Call me when Nokia's not handing Apple their ass on unit sales with a smartphone model that costs twice as much as an iPhone.
Ma'am, we'd like to congratulate your child on helping us catch our 13th child predator this year. She's a real wizard with netstat, tcpdump, traceroute, and whois. We think she's very well equipped for the challenges she'll face in her very bright future.
*beaming with pride* And to think it all started with that Debian install, a little blowfish, and encouragement!
Obviously, when fabricating completely fictional scenarios, you're a glass half empty kind of person.
You're legally responsible for your children until they reach the age of majority, and the only way you can possibly do that is to have some clue what your children are doing.
Go ahead and shelter your kids if you like. Mine will be no strangers to the knowledge and skills they'll need to be well rounded people. Rather than take responsibility away from them, I'll teach them how to handle it.
I hate this sort of environmentalism that has absolutely no regard for reality. This one has no regard for basic conservation of energy, they might as well have said we can solve the energy problem with perpetual motion.
There's no thought to implementation here, just feel good "hey we oughta" crap.
Don't worry, those non-engineers will be sure to patent these "inventions" and sue you for your 1% inspiration after you've completed your 99% perspiration.
It's not any sort of a trick. It's just how the system works.
It isn't so much a trick in a magic sense as it is in being duped. What you've described is basically a Ponzi scheme. Sure, there's a difference. In the banking system, your deposits are FDIC insured. There will be no depression era "run on the bank" because the government is happy to print lots of little green IOUs for anyone who wants them. The problem will be that there are so many little green IOUs floating around, a can of Coke will cost you 50 of them. So technically, you weren't robbed. Your medium simply became worthless thanks to massive inflation.
Fractional reserve lending also has the added "Sold my soul to the government store" effect, since borrowers end up owing more money than the actual amount of money in existence.
All the government folks are saying is that they would rather not have folks doing the work for the Chinese government.
Really? Because it sounds to me like the government is being a bunch of dumb asses. According to TFA:
Still others are drawn to the secretive world of spy satellites, with about a dozen hobbyists who do most of the observing, Molczan said.
What do you suppose happens to an open source project when someone like Oracle comes along and hires away the key developers? Business figured this out a long time ago.
Can't someone create a popular site that does auctions of valuable cell phone footage, with news companies as bidders? Stop giving away your content for free, people! Someone has. Too bad CNN will still get most of the footage for free anyway.
Ahh, so you mean you can't make a reference from a reputable scientific organization.
You just proved my point. You're dying for me to produce a heretic for you to crucify. You didn't ask for scientific evidence or experiments that support my argument... just a name. A person or organization that you could claim was under the influence of big oil or the evil Republicans. You global warming cultists are all the same. Burn the heretic, ignore the science. I predicted you'd do it. I repeated it a second time, just to make sure it sunk in. I even put ignore in bold, hoping to maybe make a dent. Nope, nothing. You still did it. You people are so STOOPID. You totally ignore science in pursuit of your global warming religion. It's pointless to even try to discuss science with someone like yourself. Your religious zeal has blinded you.
Oh, the IPCC and their assessment reports... I'm sure everyone takes those as the gospel. Those are always popular. Like in 1995 when their analysis estimated that the worth of a human life in developed nations was 15 times greater than human life in the third world. Hey, it only triggered protests and sit ins.... oh, but you'll tell me those were supporters. Part of your imaginary consensus perhaps?
By 1995, in its second full assessment of climate change, the IPCC admitted the validity of the critics' position: `When increases in greenhouse gases only are taken into account, most climate models produce a greater mean warming than has been observed to date, unless a lower climate sensitivity to the greenhouse effect is used. There is growing evidences that increases in sulfate aerosols are partially counteracting the warming due to increases in greenhouse gases.'
Let me translate this statement. It means either it is not going to warm up as much as we said it would or something is hiding the warming. I predict that every attempt will be made to demonstrate the latter before admitting that the former is true.
It seems their dire predictions in 1990 didn't materialize so the 1995 report had to be revised a bit. Quite a bit. I doubt they could accurately forecast the weather in LA, much less global climate in 10 years time. So when it came time to make policy decisions that affected the real world and not just global warming fairy land... well, congress went in favor of continued economic progress. I could go on with bad news for the IPCC, but I'll just say they burned all their credibility many years ago. Since then, they only make predictions 100 years out. They must have gotten tired of having egg on their face.
Show me a reputable scientific society or organization that does not agree that global warming is happening and humans are part of the cause.
Why? So you can roll out an ad hominem attack? Sorry, I've heard that one a thousand times. It doesn't matter who I reference, if they disagree with you, you paint them as an oil shill, a bush-ite, or just plain crazy. Your religion dictates that you ignore any and all science that runs contrary to your belief system. Let me repeat that: You don't dispute the science or prove it wrong, you ignore it and attack anyone who dares bring it forward. Arguing with you is totally pointless because you people are completely unable to grasp simple concepts. You global warming cultists aren't interested in science at all, only slinging mud....
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Some people aren't learning.... They simply take whatever their political party happens to push and parrot it. Take intelligent design or global warming for instance.
Oh yes... I've discussed the scientific consensus once in this story already. As a matter of fact, this is the second time I've linked to it already.... It seems all you guys are able to say is "scientific consensus" like a bunch of flat-earthers. Hey, everybody knows it's true, therefore it is!! That's called an appeal to belief and it doesn't make your argument any stronger.
Right... that's what they all say when reproducing the experiments fails to verify that data you wanted us to ignore. Oh, you haven't reproduced the experiments? Wow, so you're saying their experiment is junk only because of who paid to have it done? Well then... classic ad hominem.
That's nice... I've also discussed that consensus in this story once already, so I'll just link you to that as well. Not that I expect you'll actually read any of it... because hey, you've got a consensus. What do facts have to do with it?
Right, random moron mouthing off on slashdot with the usual "correlation not equal to causation" bromide (which you didn't phrase accurately) must be believed over the overwhelming scientific consensus regarding anthropogenic global warming/climate change.
Ahhh, your overwhelming scientific consensus again. Words from the holy gospel at Realclimate.org. Let us read about it, shall we? From your article:
Wow, that just oozes confidence, doesn't it... but let's look at the individual points made here:
As for "I don't understand where these people are coming from saying that warmer temperatures are bad", try asking the people in coastal areas and island nations such as Tuvalu, who have already been displaced, what they feel.
Sure, and while I'm at it, why don't you ask the entire population of blue states in the north eastern US if they'd like to be buried under a mile of ice again any time soon. That has always puzzled me.
And yet, you've passed up another opportunity to provide any of that contradictory evidence. Seems to me, the reader, that you don't have any. You are simply continuing your ad hominem attack. If there's something on that page that is wrong, then you should point out what it is and provide your contradictory evidence. Otherwise, you're just some loudmouth blowhard on a message board shouting about "real" science.
That's called an ad hominem attack, in case you didn't know.
Oh boy, here we go again. The IPCC... that political bunch of wankers. Do you guys know how to do anything but proclaim you're right because "everyone" agrees with you? I really love how everyone doesn't actually agree, but anyone who disagrees is automatically crucified for being a blasphemer by the cult of global warmers.
The plaintiff's lawyers are being ordered to pay, not the plaintiff.
I'm so glad you feel that way, I'll be right over with a camera to video you shagging the misses. We can put in online for the world to see... nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right?
Being unable to run as root is where problems occur for developers. Behold the market for Nokia S60 v3 smartphone software. Half of the most popular apps are written by Nokia, because everyone else is busy jumping through flaming hoops to get their apps signed. The process is so damned bureaucratic, innovation freezes, developers loose interest in frustration, and Nokia ends up developing most of what little appears on the platform. Worse yet, the stated goal of providing security through signing is obvious bullshit when signed spyware starts popping up. It's all about Nokia controlling who gets signed and who gets to compete.
You're root comment is a user security issue and has NOTHING to do with the availability of an SDK. If iPhone is unable to run at different user levels it is NOT Mac OS X, because user levels are a fundamental property of any *nix OS.
Macintosh computers aren't riddled with viruses and security breaches, what makes you think Macintosh phones would be any different? If Apple's SDK "solution" is to sign apps instead of fixing their obviously broke ass permission system, then their SDK will be useless anyway just like their other iPhone "SDK." If Apple can't provide a hand held platform as open to developers as their desktop systems, then they will join the long list of companies that failed to revolutionize the mobile market.
Right now they're blowing it, just like they blew it with the Macintosh two decades ago. I wouldn't be so upset about it if I wasn't such a huge fan of the company.
Yeah, and Mac minis outsell ALL FreeBSD computers from ALL manufacturers for two quarters... Wow that's a real achievement! What next? Will iPhone surpass the two tin cans connected by waxed string market too? Call me when Nokia's not handing Apple their ass on unit sales with a smartphone model that costs twice as much as an iPhone.
Since software patents aren't valid in the EU, they'll be inventing circles around America's ass.
Me too....
Ma'am, we'd like to congratulate your child on helping us catch our 13th child predator this year. She's a real wizard with netstat, tcpdump, traceroute, and whois. We think she's very well equipped for the challenges she'll face in her very bright future.
*beaming with pride* And to think it all started with that Debian install, a little blowfish, and encouragement!
Obviously, when fabricating completely fictional scenarios, you're a glass half empty kind of person.
You're legally responsible for your children until they reach the age of majority, and the only way you can possibly do that is to have some clue what your children are doing.Go ahead and shelter your kids if you like. Mine will be no strangers to the knowledge and skills they'll need to be well rounded people. Rather than take responsibility away from them, I'll teach them how to handle it.
It's all the fault of man. We must change our ways before this widening trend destroys us all!
Welcome to the cult of global warming. You must be new here. (^_-)
Nice explanation. Find that in a dictionary? ;-)
Don't worry, those non-engineers will be sure to patent these "inventions" and sue you for your 1% inspiration after you've completed your 99% perspiration.
It isn't so much a trick in a magic sense as it is in being duped. What you've described is basically a Ponzi scheme. Sure, there's a difference. In the banking system, your deposits are FDIC insured. There will be no depression era "run on the bank" because the government is happy to print lots of little green IOUs for anyone who wants them. The problem will be that there are so many little green IOUs floating around, a can of Coke will cost you 50 of them. So technically, you weren't robbed. Your medium simply became worthless thanks to massive inflation.
Fractional reserve lending also has the added "Sold my soul to the government store" effect, since borrowers end up owing more money than the actual amount of money in existence.
Really? Because it sounds to me like the government is being a bunch of dumb asses. According to TFA:
What do you suppose happens to an open source project when someone like Oracle comes along and hires away the key developers? Business figured this out a long time ago.
Do they think the ISPs will voluntarily give up a 30% plus chunk of their revenue stream?
You just proved my point. You're dying for me to produce a heretic for you to crucify. You didn't ask for scientific evidence or experiments that support my argument ... just a name. A person or organization that you could claim was under the influence of big oil or the evil Republicans. You global warming cultists are all the same. Burn the heretic, ignore the science. I predicted you'd do it. I repeated it a second time, just to make sure it sunk in. I even put ignore in bold, hoping to maybe make a dent. Nope, nothing. You still did it. You people are so STOOPID. You totally ignore science in pursuit of your global warming religion. It's pointless to even try to discuss science with someone like yourself. Your religious zeal has blinded you.
Oh, the IPCC and their assessment reports... I'm sure everyone takes those as the gospel. Those are always popular. Like in 1995 when their analysis estimated that the worth of a human life in developed nations was 15 times greater than human life in the third world. Hey, it only triggered protests and sit ins.... oh, but you'll tell me those were supporters. Part of your imaginary consensus perhaps?
The same IPCC that was served a nice helping of humble pie in front of congress in 1997?
It seems their dire predictions in 1990 didn't materialize so the 1995 report had to be revised a bit. Quite a bit. I doubt they could accurately forecast the weather in LA, much less global climate in 10 years time. So when it came time to make policy decisions that affected the real world and not just global warming fairy land... well, congress went in favor of continued economic progress. I could go on with bad news for the IPCC, but I'll just say they burned all their credibility many years ago. Since then, they only make predictions 100 years out. They must have gotten tired of having egg on their face.
Why? So you can roll out an ad hominem attack? Sorry, I've heard that one a thousand times. It doesn't matter who I reference, if they disagree with you, you paint them as an oil shill, a bush-ite, or just plain crazy. Your religion dictates that you ignore any and all science that runs contrary to your belief system. Let me repeat that: You don't dispute the science or prove it wrong, you ignore it and attack anyone who dares bring it forward. Arguing with you is totally pointless because you people are completely unable to grasp simple concepts. You global warming cultists aren't interested in science at all, only slinging mud....