they are doing you a favor. Most phones have more than one thing wrong. If your battery is that used then the phone is well used too. it probably has an abraded lens cover making your photos foggy in harsh light, it probably has lint in the speakers, it probably has some dents and scratches too. If you are going to shell out $120 for a new battery then for a $100 more you could get a whole new-to-you phone. It's a steal from nearly every apple owners point of view. For a few people maybe not. And they can take it to the shop down the street and get the battery changed for $75 instead if the cost is prohibitive.
It's a strange way of say that apple paid less than the full amount. Perhaps there is something in european law that forbids a discount to a customer, making the mechanism of giving a discount to a customer illegal. But surely, discounting for a large customer is in general legal???
I could imagine some possible conditions that might matter. Qualcom owns many of the standards it's parts implement. In come cases it licences those via FRAND rules in return for the adoption of proprietary methods as the standard. And it may well be that under FRAND one is not allowed to charge one customer more than another. In that case, for the portion of the chips value attributable to the licensed algorithms, they could not discount it to apple. But there's the actual chip itself too. that has some value and they could discount that.
So I'm really puzzled why this is not normal bussiness
Can I bill intel? Often sales fine print tries to limit the liability of the part make to the cost of the part. This isn't unreasonable especially if there's no really malice or incompetence involved. While my opinion of intel is in the dump now, I can't honestly say it was truly incompetent. One reason Boeing makes such good airplanes is that WWII taught them every way to make a mistake. Until you make one, you often don't see your own blind spots. One could have hoped for better or more dilligence but that's sort of unreasonable. Take care with your own glass house first.
On the other hand, I didn't sign an agreement with intel, I signed the sales agreement with best buy or Dell or apple, etc... So logically the bill should go to them not intel.
Still the same argument about best effort does apply. But shouldn't they be on the hook not for damages but at least the value of the computer itself as an upper bound.
Anyhow I have a new conspiracy theory I want to float for the first time here on slashdot.
I think this so=called flat earther is really part of the conspiracy to convince us the earth is not flat. See he's only pretending to be a flat earther so when he goes up and say "golly the earth isn't flat" we'll all be convinced and the Round-Earth Conspiracy wins!
It makes sense too. What's amazing really is that with all the space faring nations and corprorations and people launching their own balloon, the Round Earth Conspiracy is having to constantly get new people on board. It's hard work to keep a lid on the secret the earth is flat. It would there fore be much more likely that this guy is part of the con then not part of it. So how can we trust him not to be in on. It would make a lot more sense if he was in on it too.
saying "faster" to google means ones that return AMP pages to the google spider. This is just googles way of saying it will punish sites that don't use it's walled garden.
No they don't buy them for emotional reasons but because they out perform others in reliablilty, lifespan, ease of use and low maintain costs while having superb software sets available. they are not overpriced and therefore not every one knowns they are over priced.
There's this little thing known as genome assembly and protein structure prediction. I'd like to suggest that this has changed the world. And how did it happen? federations of people sharing their software improvements openly.
I wonder, does the average computer owner also have a bank account or conduct any transactions with vendors whose websites are hosted on shared instance cloud computers? (hint: that would be everyone except maybe kim jong). You are impacted by this even if it's not a computer you own. Furthermore, while we don't know the full details of this, it's entirely plausible that the program running in user space could be a web page javascript, java plugin or adobe flash program. If so such web pages could harvest your private data including website passwords, your bitcoin key, or any number of things you don't want leaking.
you may recall they claimed the pentum floating point bug would affect people only slightly.
when using the number 4,195,835 = 0x4005FB and 3,145,727 = 0x2FFFFF. The '5' in 0x4005 triggers the fault in the FPU control logic. As a result, the value returned by a flawed Pentium processor is incorrect at or beyond four digits
"Publicly, Intel acknowledged the floating-point flaw, but claimed that it was not serious and would not affect most users. Intel offered to replace processors to users who could prove that they were affected. However, although most independent estimates found the bug to be of little importance and would have negligible effect on most users, it caused a great public outcry. Companies like IBM (whose IBM 5x86C microprocessor competed at that time with the Intel Pentium line) joined the condemnation."
not you. thats's what the Linux team wanted to call this bug.
I read the El Reg article but I still don't understand what it is saying. At all levels. I don't understand if this means all intel processors or just the new ones. I don't understand if the 20% slowdown is for a tiny fraction of operations in the OS or if it means that things like e-mail, firefox or general python programming will be slowed down 20% overall. The latter would be a disaster. (could I ask intel to refund 20% of my computer costs?). And what's the consequences of not patching? Is the OS unstable or not use memory efficiently or "just" a security hole?
I'd not reccomend a second hand iphone. for a couple reasons. First, the whole point of buying apple is that you value having fewer problems and frustrations alsong with the idea that you have to pay more to get that. If you don't value that and prefer economy then other phones are a better proposition. Buying a used phone wont satisfy that requirement and since apple's phones also retain their resale value more than other's you still pay some premium as well. So it's a false economy. If you have some other reason for owning an apple-- such as specific compatibility desires (e.g. to have a second phone in the house for a kid and want to keep the same apple ecosystem for sharing photos and text message styles) then it make a lot of sense. But Just for yourself. not.
The other reason is the 6 series had "bend gate". while it was grossly exaggerated, it is true the 6 series are more prone to case damage. So if you are considering a 6 because it's cheap this might not be a good move unless you can inspect it in person.
While I think the 8 and 10 have a shocking price for something I might lose or drop (i've killed a a phones in a pool accidentally), its very easy to rationalize the price tag. What other object in your life will be in physical contact not just with your body but your sense of touch most of every day? would you pay 0.50 cents extra a day to have that be something really nice, tactile, and easy to use? If so the cost differential seems silly to dwell on --if you are affluent enough to afford any luxuries, this is one you are going to get the most from next to a car.
Apple was faced with the PR problem of convincing people their approach was right--which it totally is-- or accepting blame. If you are going to do the latter, accept fault for something you are wrongly faulted for then your best move is not to do it grudgingly. Do it so everyone feels they got more than they deserved but isn't too painful. Apple is buying some customer loyalty with a write down.
What astonishes me the most is the other companies saying they don't throttle power usage as a battery degrades. How happy are you going to be when you fire up Halo or whatever on your fully charged Moto and in 2 minuted the phone hard shuts down? Or you can't make it through half a day with the phone, used just to send texts and calls?
That's insane. Of course you want the phone to take measures to deal with a weak battery.
People say, well it should be my choice. it should be a setting. Well people without iphones probably don't realize it is (partly) a setting. When your charge gets below 20% IOS asks if you want to use low power mode. So it is a choice now. Apple went a step further and had a second layer of adaptive power management on top of that as well. But they still gave you a choice on that. The Choice was to buy a new battery or not.
Everyone would prefer the option of a battery that lasts forever and never degrades and costs the same and weighs the same. But no phone has that option. Every phone in existence needs a new battery after enough use. For most people, the upgrade cycle is fast enough they never need that new battery. But for some, they do. ANd for those folks they are much better off with a slow thottling of the battery than not. That can buy you a year or more before you need to choose: Buy a new battery or live with noticably slow phone. That year probably converts most of those people to be within their upgrade cycle.
SO this is a feature not a bug. You can if you like fault apple for not touting this up front as a positive benefit. But as you can see from the idiots commenting below me that it's very hard to explain this in a few words and not people think "oh gosh they slow my phone down?". They don't think that it's always preferably to having the battery life be unusably short.
For the crazy people who run super computing calculations on their iphones and demand no degraded speed and don't understand that battery operated devices have considerations, then by all means buy a moto. or buy anew battery. But stop whining.
No you don't want to have an option for every damn thing on the phone. I want a senible set of well tested choices made for me then present me with the most useful ones. not having my batttery run out or having it make it to the next upgrade cycle is great priority over the absolutely fastest iphone. if I need fast computing I'll use a computer or replace my battery.
The difference between machine learning and AI is that people doing machine learning know they can't trust the machine and so only do what they understand and for AI it's exactly the opposite. They trust and untrustable system to do something without understanding how. That may sound like a dis. But on the other hand I trust my brain and I have evidence it's not trustworthy and I have no idea how it works. But the reason it's a dis is that what I described is more faith based than science based. On the other hand it gets the job done. You can raise an army of crusaders faster with religion than with reason.
Are people happier? Unlikely. But they may have greater opportunity and their impacts can be broader. But in the stories my grandfather told me I sense a great deal of exciting things. To go to town they had to marshal their team of horses and brush them out afterwards, in the cold (you could see the horse's breath). But that sort of chore and ritual can be deeply grounding, satisfying, and slower paced. Not worse. Maybe you don't accomplish as much on average? is that important?
Congres does what people will pay it to do. On an issue that the public won't care one way or the other enough to turn an election this is strictly a quid pro quo issue for congressmen. Perhaps a few, like Rush Holt, will truly have some passion in these issues but to get enough to pass a bill without horse trading one other issues requires cash on the barrelhead. Netflix and google are not going to do that even if they offer sympathetic public faces because in the end they know they are now big enough that they will benefit from it not be harmed.
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why is that anti-competitive? could other's not offer similar discounts for loyatly too? that is price competition.
they are doing you a favor. Most phones have more than one thing wrong. If your battery is that used then the phone is well used too. it probably has an abraded lens cover making your photos foggy in harsh light, it probably has lint in the speakers, it probably has some dents and scratches too. If you are going to shell out $120 for a new battery then for a $100 more you could get a whole new-to-you phone. It's a steal from nearly every apple owners point of view. For a few people maybe not. And they can take it to the shop down the street and get the battery changed for $75 instead if the cost is prohibitive.
It's a strange way of say that apple paid less than the full amount. Perhaps there is something in european law that forbids a discount to a customer, making the mechanism of giving a discount to a customer illegal. But surely, discounting for a large customer is in general legal???
I could imagine some possible conditions that might matter. Qualcom owns many of the standards it's parts implement. In come cases it licences those via FRAND rules in return for the adoption of proprietary methods as the standard. And it may well be that under FRAND one is not allowed to charge one customer more than another. In that case, for the portion of the chips value attributable to the licensed algorithms, they could not discount it to apple. But there's the actual chip itself too. that has some value and they could discount that.
So I'm really puzzled why this is not normal bussiness
Can I bill intel?
Often sales fine print tries to limit the liability of the part make to the cost of the part. This isn't unreasonable especially if there's no really malice or incompetence involved. While my opinion of intel is in the dump now, I can't honestly say it was truly incompetent. One reason Boeing makes such good airplanes is that WWII taught them every way to make a mistake. Until you make one, you often don't see your own blind spots. One could have hoped for better or more dilligence but that's sort of unreasonable. Take care with your own glass house first.
On the other hand, I didn't sign an agreement with intel, I signed the sales agreement with best buy or Dell or apple, etc... So logically the bill should go to them not intel.
Still the same argument about best effort does apply. But shouldn't they be on the hook not for damages but at least the value of the computer itself as an upper bound.
Light travels about 42 cm in one flick.
what does "MOUNT TAPE U1439 ON B3, NO RING" mean?
is the answer who gets the last slice of Pi?
Didn't Evel Kenevil already sort of do this test?
Anyhow I have a new conspiracy theory I want to float for the first time here on slashdot.
I think this so=called flat earther is really part of the conspiracy to convince us the earth is not flat. See he's only pretending to be a flat earther so when he goes up and say "golly the earth isn't flat" we'll all be convinced and the Round-Earth Conspiracy wins!
It makes sense too. What's amazing really is that with all the space faring nations and corprorations and people launching their own balloon, the Round Earth Conspiracy is having to constantly get new people on board. It's hard work to keep a lid on the secret the earth is flat. It would there fore be much more likely that this guy is part of the con then not part of it. So how can we trust him not to be in on. It would make a lot more sense if he was in on it too.
saying "faster" to google means ones that return AMP pages to the google spider. This is just googles way of saying it will punish sites that don't use it's walled garden.
Between driverless cars delivering me pizza, and the internet, and meeting avatars, I really don't need to dress and leave the house.
No they don't buy them for emotional reasons but because they out perform others in reliablilty, lifespan, ease of use and low maintain costs while having superb software sets available. they are not overpriced and therefore not every one knowns they are over priced.
There's this little thing known as genome assembly and protein structure prediction. I'd like to suggest that this has changed the world. And how did it happen? federations of people sharing their software improvements openly.
I wonder why they didn't use that term
I wonder, does the average computer owner also have a bank account or conduct any transactions with vendors whose websites are hosted on shared instance cloud computers? (hint: that would be everyone except maybe kim jong). You are impacted by this even if it's not a computer you own. Furthermore, while we don't know the full details of this, it's entirely plausible that the program running in user space could be a web page javascript, java plugin or adobe flash program. If so such web pages could harvest your private data including website passwords, your bitcoin key, or any number of things you don't want leaking.
you may recall they claimed the pentum floating point bug would affect people only slightly.
when using the number 4,195,835 = 0x4005FB and 3,145,727 = 0x2FFFFF. The '5' in 0x4005 triggers the fault in the FPU control logic. As a result, the value returned by a flawed Pentium processor is incorrect at or beyond four digits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"Publicly, Intel acknowledged the floating-point flaw, but claimed that it was not serious and would not affect most users. Intel offered to replace processors to users who could prove that they were affected. However, although most independent estimates found the bug to be of little importance and would have negligible effect on most users, it caused a great public outcry. Companies like IBM (whose IBM 5x86C microprocessor competed at that time with the Intel Pentium line) joined the condemnation."
not you. thats's what the Linux team wanted to call this bug.
I read the El Reg article but I still don't understand what it is saying. At all levels. I don't understand if this means all intel processors or just the new ones. I don't understand if the 20% slowdown is for a tiny fraction of operations in the OS or if it means that things like e-mail, firefox or general python programming will be slowed down 20% overall. The latter would be a disaster. (could I ask intel to refund 20% of my computer costs?). And what's the consequences of not patching? Is the OS unstable or not use memory efficiently or "just" a security hole?
I'd not reccomend a second hand iphone. for a couple reasons. First, the whole point of buying apple is that you value having fewer problems and frustrations alsong with the idea that you have to pay more to get that. If you don't value that and prefer economy then other phones are a better proposition. Buying a used phone wont satisfy that requirement and since apple's phones also retain their resale value more than other's you still pay some premium as well. So it's a false economy.
If you have some other reason for owning an apple-- such as specific compatibility desires (e.g. to have a second phone in the house for a kid and want to keep the same apple ecosystem for sharing photos and text message styles) then it make a lot of sense. But Just for yourself. not.
The other reason is the 6 series had "bend gate". while it was grossly exaggerated, it is true the 6 series are more prone to case damage. So if you are considering a 6 because it's cheap this might not be a good move unless you can inspect it in person.
While I think the 8 and 10 have a shocking price for something I might lose or drop (i've killed a a phones in a pool accidentally), its very easy to rationalize the price tag. What other object in your life will be in physical contact not just with your body but your sense of touch most of every day? would you pay 0.50 cents extra a day to have that be something really nice, tactile, and easy to use? If so the cost differential seems silly to dwell on --if you are affluent enough to afford any luxuries, this is one you are going to get the most from next to a car.
Apple was faced with the PR problem of convincing people their approach was right--which it totally is-- or accepting blame. If you are going to do the latter, accept fault for something you are wrongly faulted for then your best move is not to do it grudgingly. Do it so everyone feels they got more than they deserved but isn't too painful. Apple is buying some customer loyalty with a write down.
What astonishes me the most is the other companies saying they don't throttle power usage as a battery degrades. How happy are you going to be when you fire up Halo or whatever on your fully charged Moto and in 2 minuted the phone hard shuts down? Or you can't make it through half a day with the phone, used just to send texts and calls?
That's insane. Of course you want the phone to take measures to deal with a weak battery.
People say, well it should be my choice. it should be a setting. Well people without iphones probably don't realize it is (partly) a setting. When your charge gets below 20% IOS asks if you want to use low power mode. So it is a choice now. Apple went a step further and had a second layer of adaptive power management on top of that as well. But they still gave you a choice on that. The Choice was to buy a new battery or not.
Everyone would prefer the option of a battery that lasts forever and never degrades and costs the same and weighs the same. But no phone has that option. Every phone in existence needs a new battery after enough use. For most people, the upgrade cycle is fast enough they never need that new battery. But for some, they do. ANd for those folks they are much better off with a slow thottling of the battery than not. That can buy you a year or more before you need to choose: Buy a new battery or live with noticably slow phone. That year probably converts most of those people to be within their upgrade cycle.
SO this is a feature not a bug. You can if you like fault apple for not touting this up front as a positive benefit. But as you can see from the idiots commenting below me that it's very hard to explain this in a few words and not people think "oh gosh they slow my phone down?". They don't think that it's always preferably to having the battery life be unusably short.
For the crazy people who run super computing calculations on their iphones and demand no degraded speed and don't understand that battery operated devices have considerations, then by all means buy a moto. or buy anew battery. But stop whining.
This is why I always pull into your lane when you try to pass me. You are screwing up the algorithm and I'm fixing it.
Elon Musk probably makes that much in tesla stock from every snarky tweet. 45 million is less than insuring many ships or buildings. it's nothing.
No you don't want to have an option for every damn thing on the phone. I want a senible set of well tested choices made for me then present me with the most useful ones.
not having my batttery run out or having it make it to the next upgrade cycle is great priority over the absolutely fastest iphone. if I need fast computing I'll use a computer or replace my battery.
no
The difference between machine learning and AI is that people doing machine learning know they can't trust the machine and so only do what they understand and for AI it's exactly the opposite. They trust and untrustable system to do something without understanding how. That may sound like a dis. But on the other hand I trust my brain and I have evidence it's not trustworthy and I have no idea how it works. But the reason it's a dis is that what I described is more faith based than science based. On the other hand it gets the job done. You can raise an army of crusaders faster with religion than with reason.
Are people happier? Unlikely. But they may have greater opportunity and their impacts can be broader. But in the stories my grandfather told me I sense a great deal of exciting things. To go to town they had to marshal their team of horses and brush them out afterwards, in the cold (you could see the horse's breath). But that sort of chore and ritual can be deeply grounding, satisfying, and slower paced. Not worse. Maybe you don't accomplish as much on average? is that important?
Congres does what people will pay it to do. On an issue that the public won't care one way or the other enough to turn an election this is strictly a quid pro quo issue for congressmen. Perhaps a few, like Rush Holt, will truly have some passion in these issues but to get enough to pass a bill without horse trading one other issues requires cash on the barrelhead. Netflix and google are not going to do that even if they offer sympathetic public faces because in the end they know they are now big enough that they will benefit from it not be harmed.
they do. havent you ever notice how battery degradation snowballs? never noticed fires in cell phones? it doesn't man every phone catches on fire.