How would you like it if Microsoft made a ripoff of the linux kernel, called it Billinux and used it to compete with linux? What this dumbass company has done is no different than copying a book or magazine's entire layout and claiming credit for it. I hope they lose big time because this isn't about look and feel, this is about a blatant copy of the design of the iMac and marketing it like that PC company came up with the design.
So if some guy copies something that I made on my site @ crosswinds (they have no such policy), yahoo can use it? I will get a lawyer and sue them if they try to take content from me because someone copied to their geocities account. This will be the most interesting part of the ToS
People like you will end up scaring droves of people away from linux. I use BeOS and Win98. I have a winmodem. If I had a serial port modem or a decent isa modem (not going to waste a pci slot on a damn modem) do you think it would take long for me to choose between BeOS r4.5 and Win98? It would take about 5 minutes to replace Win98 with BeOS R4.5.
OSS has its place. Without OSS there would be no competition to Microsoft. Ooops there would be plenty. Microsoft would be 50 companies after the judge is done splitting them up.
NC 4 is MUCH MUCH older than IE 5, I am sure that NC5 will be really good. However IE5 is better for now if you use the option to install it without desktop integration
Oh shit. If this is true and those nazis @ aol are going to kill mozilla then we could be screwed if Opera doesn't get some major backing. If netscape doesn't hurry up and release some alphas or betas then netscape won't last much longer. I don't know what the linux version of mozilla is like, but BeZilla looks pretty good so far. Just my $.02
After re-reading my post you people are right. However I will still keep to my original statement that any OS that tries to take on Windows head on is doomed because M$ has had so many years to build up its connections. I am a little too wary of dealing with most of the linux advocates that I have seen because most of them won't admit that there could anything wrong with linux. I find it surprising though that so much effort is being put into getting linux to the masses instead of making it the ideal server OS. Afterall it was linux as a server that got it where it is today. More work needs to be done on getting it ahead of NT (no easy task it seems) because otherwise most companies might lose interest. Without those companies sadly both the linux and beos communities will be fucked royally in the long run against the legions of mindless advocates of Win32 OS's like wankerdesk's jesse berst.
We beers (BeOS users) don't try to make BeOS a GPOS. Many of us use it as one, but we don't push it as the Windows replacement. We push it as a multimedia and internet appliance OS because it is better than linux (god forbid!), Winblows, MacOS and all the other *nix's and bsd's at those areas. Multimedia isn't as simple as artists and musicians. I believe it was alex st. john (the guy who started and headed the directx project) that said that games are the ultimate test of an OS's multimedia capabilities. Linux will ultimately fail if you people don't get some humility and try to do like what we beers are doing, we are redefining the OS market. We are trying to kill windows by pushing an OS that is a master of a trade instead of a master of no trade. If you Linux users, advocates and biggots try to push it into M$'s own territory you will lose. Windows is the best GPOS (not saying much) and you can't win against a company that puts billions of green backs into marketing its POSOS (Piece of shit OS). You linux users will win by not trying to fuck around with win32 OS's on the desktop and working only on making it a perfect server OS!!
Windows in general will not start collapsing until the release of Windows AFTER win2000. After 35,000,000 lines of code, how much more can you add before it becomes obvious to the GENERAL PUBLIC NOT JUST COMPUTER TECHIES that windows is a bloated, slow, antiquated, unwieldy beast? M$ and Metacalf can kiss my ass because I will be celebrating the beginning of M$'s slow demise when they release win2000 by formatting my win98 partition and installing BeOS r4.5 or r5 on it and using my existing bfs partition for mp3z. He is right though that linux isn't exactly too modern in some areas, but if it works, it works. I wonder why it is that M$/Mindcraft never bother to benchmark Free/Net/OpenBSD against NT.........
To think that the brits think that the us is a backwards nation. We have the most online users (% included) of any nation in the world, we have the best telephone/cable network in the world and we are one of the 2 most advanced nations in the world. Our only equal is japan. I don't want to hear any of the bs about law enforcement having a hard time stopping cyber crooks. Only the CIA, DIA (DIA=Defense Intellegence Agency) and military have the hackers which can catch most of the real hackers, not the script kiddies. I have said for years that the FBI should be abolished. The potential for abuse of the 4th ammendment if something like that happens over here in the states is too great. I can just see the fbi agents conveniently glancing at me and my friend's accounts while looking for crooks on the earthlink network. My dad used to work with Customs (the friskers @ the airport are only 1 of 5 divisions of customs) and even he agrees that any decent law enforcement officer doesn't need something like this, if they do good police work. Why can't the stupid brits take a hint from customs's cybercops (for lack of a better description) and actually infilitrate the cyber crook scene? I bet in the end, agencies like customs will end up being more successful
Face it, OSS isn't all its cracked up to be. Freedom at the expense of a paycheck? Really how do you expect to make a decent living if OSS reins supreme? Only SUSE and Cygnus have even cut a small profit so far. OSS has done a bunch of good by kicking the companies that charge $500 for a semi-usable app in the balls, but if OSS wins then the computer industry fails. How will you pull in new talent when most people with an aptitude for coding will tell you to fuck off because they want to make money off the code they write?
It comes with gobe productive 1.1.1 and net positive which are great for newbies because they are tiny, really fast and offer only the features that the average joe will want. 90% of the features in office 97/00 are BS anyway and cost you $400 more than gobe productive which is a really sweet suite and costs $80-$150 depending on how you get it. This is the beginning of the end for megalosoft. Once BeOS gets about 500,000-1,000,000 average joes using it, all hell will break loose in redmond. Because that is when Be will be marching on the microsoft compound with most of M$'s former supporters behind it.
Let's see what happens when you try to make internet appliances based off of linux for the average joe. I can see a little kid running in crying about how he/she just accidentally shut down the x-server and is now running in cli mode. BeOS is much better for the average joe. It is like the universal MacOS except built much, much better for next generation hardware and software concepts.
Do you honestly think that the average joe will want to use linux vs a flashy os like windows or beos? BeOS will win virtually every battle against linux in the home market and could do serious damage in the business market because it takes virtually no time to train employess how to use it compared to linux. By the way, here is a little news about the iToaster
"Microworkz is shipping a $299 consumer-oriented machine on a slimmed-down piece of hardware called the iToaster, running a customized version of BeOS based on Be's new IPAD (Internet Personal Access Device) strategy. Despite reports to the contrary from MSNBC and CNET, these machines run BeOS only; there isn't a scrap of Linux code inside (at least not for now). Be's Benoit Schillings coded the iToaster interface in just a few weeks, and assured me of the total absence of Linux code in the current iToaster implementation. " from beoscentral.com
Don't forget that creative lab's nomad has no protection and can hold more mp3. There are also 128mb flash cards coming for it as well!!! 160mb of mp3's on one portable!
WINE has made some very notable strides, but if you can barely emulate a legacy OS like win95's appz then don't even think about trying to emulate native BeOS appz. Hell you would have to reimplement the entire BeMessage/AppServer system and that alone would take a very, VERY long time. It would probably be BeOS r5 or r6 by the time you got a somewhat usable emulator working. Why emulate it anyway? Why not demand support in VMWare if you insist on using linux?
Be has 93 employees, around 50 of which are programmers. It has to build the OS, net positive and drivers. Even microsoft would have a hard time if it had to do 90% of the driver coding.
If they use a native code compiler then it would run decently fast and on a 200mhz strongarm or whatever it shouldn't be that bad. No slower than Win98 on a PII 450 (like mine hehehehe, Win98 is still slow as shit)
-it is easier to use and the interface is better designed than anything an OSS project has ever done -I don't know about you, but with enlightenment and gnome, linux ran on my PII 450 as slowly as Win98. Everything worked perfectly except for the winmodem (don't laugh/flame) -BeOS configures ITSELF whereas sometimes people have to spend hours or even days getting a decent config -Many of us just LIKE it better. The mentality of a one OS world should have died off long ago. Shame on you for your fascist views of a one OS computer industry. Even torvalds said a while ago that he DOES NOT want linux to get more than 1/3 of total OS marketshare because he thinks it will end up no better than Winblows if it gets too much
the OS was built completely around multithreading which linux is not. The BeOS users that I have talked to say that they are happier with BeOS's api than linux because it is faster and cleaner and usually easier to write code for.
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How would you like it if Microsoft made a ripoff of the linux kernel, called it Billinux and used it to compete with linux? What this dumbass company has done is no different than copying a book or magazine's entire layout and claiming credit for it. I hope they lose big time because this isn't about look and feel, this is about a blatant copy of the design of the iMac and marketing it like that PC company came up with the design.
"All software that isn't free sucks." - RMS
With an attitude like that, many of the M$ only drones won't be converted.
So if some guy copies something that I made on my site @ crosswinds (they have no such policy), yahoo can use it? I will get a lawyer and sue them if they try to take content from me because someone copied to their geocities account. This will be the most interesting part of the ToS
When you don't have a job it is a perfectly good reason to not have $100.
People like you will end up scaring droves of people away from linux. I use BeOS and Win98. I have a winmodem. If I had a serial port modem or a decent isa modem (not going to waste a pci slot on a damn modem) do you think it would take long for me to choose between BeOS r4.5 and Win98? It would take about 5 minutes to replace Win98 with BeOS R4.5.
OSS has its place. Without OSS there would be no competition to Microsoft. Ooops there would be plenty. Microsoft would be 50 companies after the judge is done splitting them up.
NC 4 is MUCH MUCH older than IE 5, I am sure that NC5 will be really good. However IE5 is better for now if you use the option to install it without desktop integration
Oh shit. If this is true and those nazis @ aol are going to kill mozilla then we could be screwed if Opera doesn't get some major backing. If netscape doesn't hurry up and release some alphas or betas then netscape won't last much longer. I don't know what the linux version of mozilla is like, but BeZilla looks pretty good so far. Just my $.02
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After re-reading my post you people are right. However I will still keep to my original statement that any OS that tries to take on Windows head on is doomed because M$ has had so many years to build up its connections. I am a little too wary of dealing with most of the linux advocates that I have seen because most of them won't admit that there could anything wrong with linux. I find it surprising though that so much effort is being put into getting linux to the masses instead of making it the ideal server OS. Afterall it was linux as a server that got it where it is today. More work needs to be done on getting it ahead of NT (no easy task it seems) because otherwise most companies might lose interest. Without those companies sadly both the linux and beos communities will be fucked royally in the long run against the legions of mindless advocates of Win32 OS's like wankerdesk's jesse berst.
We beers (BeOS users) don't try to make BeOS a GPOS. Many of us use it as one, but we don't push it as the Windows replacement. We push it as a multimedia and internet appliance OS because it is better than linux (god forbid!), Winblows, MacOS and all the other *nix's and bsd's at those areas. Multimedia isn't as simple as artists and musicians. I believe it was alex st. john (the guy who started and headed the directx project) that said that games are the ultimate test of an OS's multimedia capabilities. Linux will ultimately fail if you people don't get some humility and try to do like what we beers are doing, we are redefining the OS market. We are trying to kill windows by pushing an OS that is a master of a trade instead of a master of no trade. If you Linux users, advocates and biggots try to push it into M$'s own territory you will lose. Windows is the best GPOS (not saying much) and you can't win against a company that puts billions of green backs into marketing its POSOS (Piece of shit OS). You linux users will win by not trying to fuck around with win32 OS's on the desktop and working only on making it a perfect server OS!!
Windows in general will not start collapsing until the release of Windows AFTER win2000. After 35,000,000 lines of code, how much more can you add before it becomes obvious to the GENERAL PUBLIC NOT JUST COMPUTER TECHIES that windows is a bloated, slow, antiquated, unwieldy beast? M$ and Metacalf can kiss my ass because I will be celebrating the beginning of M$'s slow demise when they release win2000 by formatting my win98 partition and installing BeOS r4.5 or r5 on it and using my existing bfs partition for mp3z. He is right though that linux isn't exactly too modern in some areas, but if it works, it works. I wonder why it is that M$/Mindcraft never bother to benchmark Free/Net/OpenBSD against NT.........
To think that the brits think that the us is a backwards nation. We have the most online users (% included) of any nation in the world, we have the best telephone/cable network in the world and we are one of the 2 most advanced nations in the world. Our only equal is japan. I don't want to hear any of the bs about law enforcement having a hard time stopping cyber crooks. Only the CIA, DIA (DIA=Defense Intellegence Agency) and military have the hackers which can catch most of the real hackers, not the script kiddies. I have said for years that the FBI should be abolished. The potential for abuse of the 4th ammendment if something like that happens over here in the states is too great. I can just see the fbi agents conveniently glancing at me and my friend's accounts while looking for crooks on the earthlink network. My dad used to work with Customs (the friskers @ the airport are only 1 of 5 divisions of customs) and even he agrees that any decent law enforcement officer doesn't need something like this, if they do good police work. Why can't the stupid brits take a hint from customs's cybercops (for lack of a better description) and actually infilitrate the cyber crook scene? I bet in the end, agencies like customs will end up being more successful
Face it, OSS isn't all its cracked up to be. Freedom at the expense of a paycheck? Really how do you expect to make a decent living if OSS reins supreme? Only SUSE and Cygnus have even cut a small profit so far. OSS has done a bunch of good by kicking the companies that charge $500 for a semi-usable app in the balls, but if OSS wins then the computer industry fails. How will you pull in new talent when most people with an aptitude for coding will tell you to fuck off because they want to make money off the code they write?
It comes with gobe productive 1.1.1 and net positive which are great for newbies because they are tiny, really fast and offer only the features that the average joe will want. 90% of the features in office 97/00 are BS anyway and cost you $400 more than gobe productive which is a really sweet suite and costs $80-$150 depending on how you get it. This is the beginning of the end for megalosoft. Once BeOS gets about 500,000-1,000,000 average joes using it, all hell will break loose in redmond. Because that is when Be will be marching on the microsoft compound with most of M$'s former supporters behind it.
Let's see what happens when you try to make internet appliances based off of linux for the average joe. I can see a little kid running in crying about how he/she just accidentally shut down the x-server and is now running in cli mode. BeOS is much better for the average joe. It is like the universal MacOS except built much, much better for next generation hardware and software concepts.
Do you honestly think that the average joe will want to use linux vs a flashy os like windows or beos? BeOS will win virtually every battle against linux in the home market and could do serious damage in the business market because it takes virtually no time to train employess how to use it compared to linux. By the way, here is a little news about the iToaster
"Microworkz is shipping a $299 consumer-oriented machine on a slimmed-down piece of hardware called the iToaster, running a customized version of BeOS based on Be's new IPAD (Internet Personal Access Device) strategy. Despite reports to the contrary from MSNBC and CNET, these machines run BeOS only; there isn't a scrap of Linux code inside (at least not for now). Be's Benoit Schillings coded the iToaster interface in just a few weeks, and assured me of the total absence of Linux code in the current iToaster implementation. " from beoscentral.com
Don't forget that creative lab's nomad has no protection and can hold more mp3. There are also 128mb flash cards coming for it as well!!! 160mb of mp3's on one portable!
What was the point of replacing tracker? I seriously doubt that they added anything that is any better.
WINE has made some very notable strides, but if you can barely emulate a legacy OS like win95's appz then don't even think about trying to emulate native BeOS appz. Hell you would have to reimplement the entire BeMessage/AppServer system and that alone would take a very, VERY long time. It would probably be BeOS r5 or r6 by the time you got a somewhat usable emulator working. Why emulate it anyway? Why not demand support in VMWare if you insist on using linux?
Be has 93 employees, around 50 of which are programmers. It has to build the OS, net positive and drivers. Even microsoft would have a hard time if it had to do 90% of the driver coding.
If they use a native code compiler then it would run decently fast and on a 200mhz strongarm or whatever it shouldn't be that bad. No slower than Win98 on a PII 450 (like mine hehehehe, Win98 is still slow as shit)
-it is easier to use and the interface is better designed than anything an OSS project has ever done
-I don't know about you, but with enlightenment and gnome, linux ran on my PII 450 as slowly as Win98. Everything worked perfectly except for the winmodem (don't laugh/flame)
-BeOS configures ITSELF whereas sometimes people have to spend hours or even days getting a decent config
-Many of us just LIKE it better. The mentality of a one OS world should have died off long ago. Shame on you for your fascist views of a one OS computer industry. Even torvalds said a while ago that he DOES NOT want linux to get more than 1/3 of total OS marketshare because he thinks it will end up no better than Winblows if it gets too much
the OS was built completely around multithreading which linux is not. The BeOS users that I have talked to say that they are happier with BeOS's api than linux because it is faster and cleaner and usually easier to write code for.