Crappy white box computers? Most "white box" computers I've seen (new, anyways) are built-to-spec systems and generally use high quality components. The prebuilt ones you see in stores (compaq, ibm, HP, eMachines, Avertec) generally have funky looking boxes to detract from their subpar components.
So, your overclocking experience has yet to produce any noticable negative impacts? How long have you had it OC'd?
Yeah, I've heard the latest generation AMD chips have better heat control.
Hey, I wasn't saying "don't change, everyone will have to relearn how to do things", I was saying that retraining is a cost that is going to have to be considered.
Is there a way of telling if the overclocking is going to FUBAR the chip before doing it, or is it just a "do-it-and-see-if-it-explodes" kind of trial and error?
I'm just wondering if trying to get that "full potential" is worth the risk of frying the processor, if you only get a small (if noticable) increase in speed (especially with the power of modern processors). I overclocked my PII-350 to 466, and even running my most intensive games, I wasn't able to see much of a difference, aside from it being less stable at times.
I just want to say a counterpoint to that. How much training will the average computer user need to work on a Windows system compared to getting them to use a Linux system? It depends on what you want to do, but even the most normal functions might require a small amount of retraining. Multiply that by how many users you need to train and you can get an estimate of how much time and money it will cost by using the no-licence-fee Linux option vs the pay-per-CPU (is it still per CPU, or has MS changed it to per system on their corporate licencing?) cost of a Windows setup
booooooooooooo. Don't nit pick on the technicalities of the various protocols.
But, he is right. BitTorrent has been more widely accepted by the masses as a legitimate means of distributing files.
I don't see many places that say "Click on this link to download our program through eDonkey/Kazaa/iMesh/whatever", but a lot are going the bittorrent route.
Actually, according to the hotmail website (where I happen to store my junkmail account), the storage upgrade isn't going to be introduced until the fall.
Their interface sucks (awkward and ugly), I can't open messages in tabs, and they alter links to have them go through their servers so you get that "You are viewing a website outside of Hotmail." frame at the top of the window.
They wont even let me block their "Hotmail Staff" emails.
I don't see a problem with apps requiring an initial run (or installation) as admin, Linux quite often requires users to become root to do some things, but it's being constantly run under admin mode that poses the biggest risk.
I say let the applications break, and have the programmers work it to be able to run under a normal user. Whether that's plausable, I'm not sure. I'm not really experienced in programming.
Yeah, you can run things as a "normal" user, but what "normal user" knows how to set up a "normal" account, or even knows what it means?
Windows sets up the default user during install as either an "admin" or a "power user" (which is pretty much the same thing, from what I could tell).
one of the biggest reasons I use Firefox over anything else is because it doesn't have all that extra crap. I have adblock installed (bubye pesky, speed sucking flash ads), and thats about it.
How will they be wasting bandwidth? If the leper systems are all transferred to a restricted network, then wouldn't there be measures to ensure that only valid network traffic (web browsing, email, IM, etc.) would be allowed, and the rest of it would be trapped on the restricted network, or on the users machine?
Don't you only have to pay for bandwidth used if the data leaves the internal network? If you don't have to pay for it, then, you basically have unlimited bandwidth, and then you can't really waste it.
That alert page, however, is a good idea. You could also have the page contain links to software that will help them clean their systems.
Maybe they don't feel that OO.o is being developed in the "right" way, and they feel that they can do better? Or maybe they didn't want to do all that development to just give it away?
Not upgrade what, to SP2, or upgrade the software that may or may not be effected by SP2?
The thing is, is that Service Packs usually do fix something that is broke (else, why do all the work of making the service pack?).
So, if Company A wants to upgrade, they'll test it to see what, if any software of theirs it'll hose. Then, once they see all the problems, they can decide on whether to use SP2, and upgrade/replace necessary software, or not use SP2, and find other ways to secure their systems.
Well, I'm not too sure about the security hole part, but, the SP2 upgrade, as it says in the article, will break compatability with some older applications. This will force anyone using those applications to upgrade (costing money) or search for alternatives (which will either cost money in licences or training, or both).
well, since I don't actually install Flash, I don't worry about which ones are ads and which ones aren't.
I just install flash block to stop the annoying "You Don't Have The Appropriate Plugin Installed. Click OK to install it." crap from coming up.
Maybe so, but apt is part of a Debian-based system. The last time I've tried it on an RPM based distro, it was a major pain in the ass to set up (Mandrake 9 and RH8), I dont' think I ever got it to work properly.
On Debian systems, Apt is set up and ready to go.
As far as other apt-like systems for RPM, I haven't tried them. My toils with apt-rpm were enough to remind me why I like debian systems.
But you don't need those CD's or DVD. You can get by with the primary install cd, installing enough to get up the bare bones system. Everything else can get downloaded/installed via APT (or one if it's GUI tools, like Synaptic).
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Crappy white box computers? Most "white box" computers I've seen (new, anyways) are built-to-spec systems and generally use high quality components. The prebuilt ones you see in stores (compaq, ibm, HP, eMachines, Avertec) generally have funky looking boxes to detract from their subpar components.
Yeah, but the GUI frontends are just that, frontends. They're not necessary to get the updates (hell, I don't touch the GUI's, just console).
#apt-get update
#apt-get dist-upgrade
That's pretty much all you need.
So, even if by some roll of the dice, that this shithole company goes after apps like Synaptic, not much will be lost.
So, your overclocking experience has yet to produce any noticable negative impacts? How long have you had it OC'd? Yeah, I've heard the latest generation AMD chips have better heat control.
Hey, I wasn't saying "don't change, everyone will have to relearn how to do things", I was saying that retraining is a cost that is going to have to be considered.
Is there a way of telling if the overclocking is going to FUBAR the chip before doing it, or is it just a "do-it-and-see-if-it-explodes" kind of trial and error?
I'm just wondering if trying to get that "full potential" is worth the risk of frying the processor, if you only get a small (if noticable) increase in speed (especially with the power of modern processors). I overclocked my PII-350 to 466, and even running my most intensive games, I wasn't able to see much of a difference, aside from it being less stable at times.
I just want to say a counterpoint to that. How much training will the average computer user need to work on a Windows system compared to getting them to use a Linux system? It depends on what you want to do, but even the most normal functions might require a small amount of retraining. Multiply that by how many users you need to train and you can get an estimate of how much time and money it will cost by using the no-licence-fee Linux option vs the pay-per-CPU (is it still per CPU, or has MS changed it to per system on their corporate licencing?) cost of a Windows setup
One question. Why did you overclock your processor? With such a high power processor to begin with, is it really necessary?
booooooooooooo. Don't nit pick on the technicalities of the various protocols. But, he is right. BitTorrent has been more widely accepted by the masses as a legitimate means of distributing files. I don't see many places that say "Click on this link to download our program through eDonkey/Kazaa/iMesh/whatever", but a lot are going the bittorrent route.
That's storage space, and I believe the quote was referring to RAM. Load up IE or WMP and see if their RAM usage is less than 640K while in use.
Didn't he say that the internet would never become popular outside the scientific community?
Actually, according to the hotmail website (where I happen to store my junkmail account), the storage upgrade isn't going to be introduced until the fall.
Their interface sucks (awkward and ugly), I can't open messages in tabs, and they alter links to have them go through their servers so you get that "You are viewing a website outside of Hotmail." frame at the top of the window.
They wont even let me block their "Hotmail Staff" emails.
I don't see a problem with apps requiring an initial run (or installation) as admin, Linux quite often requires users to become root to do some things, but it's being constantly run under admin mode that poses the biggest risk. I say let the applications break, and have the programmers work it to be able to run under a normal user. Whether that's plausable, I'm not sure. I'm not really experienced in programming.
Yeah, you can run things as a "normal" user, but what "normal user" knows how to set up a "normal" account, or even knows what it means? Windows sets up the default user during install as either an "admin" or a "power user" (which is pretty much the same thing, from what I could tell).
Yeah, we have to see if this keeps going, but all trends start with jumps.
On a personal note, I've converted almost 30 people in the last year from IE to Mozilla/Firefox
one of the biggest reasons I use Firefox over anything else is because it doesn't have all that extra crap. I have adblock installed (bubye pesky, speed sucking flash ads), and thats about it.
How will they be wasting bandwidth? If the leper systems are all transferred to a restricted network, then wouldn't there be measures to ensure that only valid network traffic (web browsing, email, IM, etc.) would be allowed, and the rest of it would be trapped on the restricted network, or on the users machine?
Don't you only have to pay for bandwidth used if the data leaves the internal network? If you don't have to pay for it, then, you basically have unlimited bandwidth, and then you can't really waste it.
That alert page, however, is a good idea. You could also have the page contain links to software that will help them clean their systems.
Maybe they don't feel that OO.o is being developed in the "right" way, and they feel that they can do better? Or maybe they didn't want to do all that development to just give it away?
Not upgrade what, to SP2, or upgrade the software that may or may not be effected by SP2?
The thing is, is that Service Packs usually do fix something that is broke (else, why do all the work of making the service pack?).
So, if Company A wants to upgrade, they'll test it to see what, if any software of theirs it'll hose. Then, once they see all the problems, they can decide on whether to use SP2, and upgrade/replace necessary software, or not use SP2, and find other ways to secure their systems.
Well, I'm not too sure about the security hole part, but, the SP2 upgrade, as it says in the article, will break compatability with some older applications. This will force anyone using those applications to upgrade (costing money) or search for alternatives (which will either cost money in licences or training, or both).
well, since I don't actually install Flash, I don't worry about which ones are ads and which ones aren't. I just install flash block to stop the annoying "You Don't Have The Appropriate Plugin Installed. Click OK to install it." crap from coming up.
Flash block is the other one I always get, with adblock.
(Or, admittedly, a clip of Dean Stockwell on the bridge, saying something like, "Uhh, Sam... you're not really a starship captain...") ;-)
That would be great.
Maybe so, but apt is part of a Debian-based system. The last time I've tried it on an RPM based distro, it was a major pain in the ass to set up (Mandrake 9 and RH8), I dont' think I ever got it to work properly. On Debian systems, Apt is set up and ready to go. As far as other apt-like systems for RPM, I haven't tried them. My toils with apt-rpm were enough to remind me why I like debian systems.
But you don't need those CD's or DVD. You can get by with the primary install cd, installing enough to get up the bare bones system. Everything else can get downloaded/installed via APT (or one if it's GUI tools, like Synaptic).
Or to roughly how many Linux Licences they've sold.