Not sure where you're coming from here, because nobody has ever claimed e-mail to be secure at all.
If you think that this power-line delivered data communications is unsafe, then you must also think that all wireless and cablemodem communications is unsafe as well..
Don't blame the transport layer for your "plain text" and "non-ssl e-mail" concerns.
But unless it's a PDA, keyboard, or mouse, it's not going to be wireless, you'll have to plug it into the wall for power. Unless of course, you like buying lots and lots of batteries. Rechargable you say? Find a wireless battery charger and I'll retract.
So, you still have to cable the power cord. I mean, I'm not really saying this wireless stuff is bad, it's not. You can plug in your printer across the room and not have to run the USB/LPT cable.
I guess you have to take the name "wireless" literally, it's not "wirenone" it's just LESS wires.
If this becomes a common standard, however, it would be nice being able to buy *any* wireless USB mouse and not worry about what brand reciever you have. Although, this really isn't a huge issue.. Logitech wireless KB/Mouse stuff is cheap anyways.
Comments from the AC aside, I think that KDE is fine for a server; it has some decent tools for configuring KDE and stuff.
However, I personally have never seen such a robust number such as 20% increase in performance versus other linux distributions (binary ones.) While it's true that optimizing the code for your setup specifically does help to a degree, in real-world performance it's never been a big seller for me.
But I do love the ease of configurability and availability of new packages.
If you're going to get into very specific cases, I can't argue with you about your specific problems. Of course the newsgroups are full of people with problems; that's where people report them. And I fully admit that there's plenty of goofups happening and it would be nice if they could perhaps pay a little more attention..
I guess I've been lucky? I mean, I know plenty of folks that run it and don't have any problems. Maybe that's because we don't update all our packages every week, it's not necessary.
GRP is a work in progress and is improving. Gentoo itself is feeling growing pains and they have been re-organizing some of the portage tree. Since they don't release new GRP's at the rate they have been fixing portage, there's some issues.
I can see a day when Gentoo matures and becomes one of the best and well organized distributions. Until then, there's issues that I'm happy to deal with for now. And honestly, I've never had any serious problems, although there's people that have, such as you.
You're right of course, and I agree. There should be some administration tools, and call me a weenie but I like to see GUI tools for things like this. Managing many server-type things can be done very effeciently in a GUI.
Don't get me wrong; I LOVE being able to command line everything. That's one of the biggest things that draws me to Linux. Best of all, the GUI and command line/scripting do not have to be exclusive. Just check out the wonderous Webmin.
I was however referring to the user-interface for the end-user. With an access 'database' you can also design views and whole applications that effectively hide the database backend, all in one.MDB file. I think this is one of the big deals about it. Access brings it all together.
With any SQL server, including MS SQL and Oracle, you have to have a seperate front-end system to design the UI with. Many times this is done with a Web interface, and serves well. But it's not the best solution in many cases. Either way, you basically have to design and code your own application around the database backend.
KDE is big. Of course your little C3 chip is going to take a long time to compile KDE and all the deps.
Half the time compiling KDE is compiling QT, it seems.
I haven't ever had the major problems you have had. Sorry to hear you've had bad luck.. I've only run into a few small dependency problems, and most of them are in there just to force you to pay attention. Kopete and KDE 3.2 is a good example. Just unmerge Kopere and compile 3.2, you won't lose settings, but it's just there as a warning.
I have installed GRP packages quite often, and never had a problem with those either. Of course, I only used GRP on a new install and used emerge after that.
As far as etc-uptate not making backups? You have to TELL it to replace your old files, it won't do it automatically. I wish that the interface was a little more then running a diff check, but not once has it EVER overwritten any of my files without asking first. Pay attention!
I think the pros outweigh the cons by a good margin at this point. I'll admit, it's not always smooth. However, the ability to install almost any linux package with one simple command is leaps and bounds better then most distributions.
Most apps compile in minutes. I only emerge the big packages every few months, and that's even a lot. You don't need the latest versions just so you see the latest version numbers. If you have a halfway recent PC (you know, 533Mhz is getting a little slow these days, with all the processors being rated in Ghz now..) then it's a non-issue.
I recently compiled KDE 3.2 on an 1.1Ghz Athlon XP with 1GB RAM and it only took a few hours. It would have probably taken me that long to find and install all the right RPM's on a Fedora system, and I'd have to actually pay attention.. On my newer Athlon XP 3000 with the Barton core, 400Mhz RAM, etc etc, it would probably cut that time in half. As CPU's get faster, the compile issue will gradually become a moot point.
I think that if you aren't a technical Linux user, and/or don't have a machine powerful enough to handle the compiles, then you shouldn't use Gentoo. There's a lot of other distributions out there you could run, and it's all good. We're all running Linux.
Why bother huh? $1,000,000 says "bother" all over it.
Maybe in the end, one of the slow vehicles will win, but I wouldn't bet $1,000,000 on that. I'd run my truck/bike/whatever as fast as it can go reliably.
But, you can't just "install SQL" somewhere and have a nice user interface to go along with it. Sure, the data *might* get organized better since you usually need to know a little bit more about databases to just use a SQL server, but then you need to design and impliment a seperate user interface..
Looking at the code and gaining some insite and knowledge to the inner workings of MS software, and using that knowledge to incorporate into your own product, may be illegal.
But, it happens all the time. ALL the time. You think the programmers at MS haven't poured through the Linux code? If what you say is correct, then Windows must be littered with Linux code just because they studied and learned something from it?
There's a line between reverse engineering and access to source code; but you're unlikely to prove something wasn't reverse engineered unless you copy and paste the code.
It may be unethical to use leaked MS code to improve your compatibility solutions, but with all the underhanded and generally nasty things corporations are doing, it's just more of the same..
And about your comment about the "IBM PC BIOS." Not even close. Proving that you copied a 256kbit bios is a lot easier then proving you used information learned from studying 50 lines of code out of 40GB...
Hey, I'm no saint in real life.. no need to be one online.
Well, of course I agree completely with you. But that ain't going to happen anytime soon. Best we could hope for now is for there to be a much better review process on these patents. A review by people that know the industries that the patents apply to.
I really hope lawsuits like this don't get upheld... but sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't.
Auto-insert notification is such a simple thing, it's been in computers forever (and in microsoft land since '95) and just now the lawsuit?
The worst part is that these patents keep being passed, over and over.. we need some technical people in the patent offices, not temps making $7 an hour.
Whatever. It's just another case of "let people use it until it becomes vital and you can make a bundle of money, then sue."
There's always the group of people that "dispises" something that the "masses" use and like and need. I group you into the same group as people who claim "I have not owned a TV in 20 years and I'm proud of it."
However, I do use Lynx, it's handy to have around. But I don't dispise Javascript; it's pretty useful.
And it's not even that bad anymore, they've made a lot of progress in viewing angle correction. My friend has a 61" HDTV rear-projector TV and unless you're sitting closer then 3ft from the screen, it's clear and bright across the whole screen from almost any angle and pitch. And at the worst angles (extreme side viewing) the screen only appears slightly dim.
I'd say that the notion that viewing angle is a problem with rear projection is no longer valid, unless of course you like to sit 3 feet from your 61" TV.
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I think Gnome is easy too, but I find that it's very simple. Now, simple isn't always a bad, but I've found Gnome to be a little *too* simple for me.
Frameworks and blah blah programming stuff aside, I find myself more at home at a KDE desktop then a Gnome one. It seems to just have more ways to customize your desktop then a Gnome setup. And, it's got a lot more applicaitons included, many of which I use and like a lot.
It's 100% user preference, and if you're really into Gnome, then by all means use it. KDE just seems to tie things together better, it's got more features, and it's got a much more agressive release schedule.
I think anyone with half a brain realizes that this isn't the "Linux Community" that does these things, but a small rogue group of people. Since SCO is the big moron of the day, they get the DoS. If not, it would have been Microsoft, probably.
I've talked to a lot of people about this, and none of them think any less of Linux or OSS because of it. It doesn't change the fact that much OSS is high quality software.
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Tell me something, exactly *how* do you send e-mail using SSL to people on the internet? You do know how SMTP works and how SSL works right?
BTW Cablemodems are broadcast, with the right equipment you can 'catch' the data.
Of course you should use encryption for wireless connections.
Ohh my fucking god we know lawyers make a lot of money so SHUT THE FUCK UP already.
Bah, why do I even bother. Even if you didn't post this kind of bullshit there's 50 people waiting to fill in the gap.
Not sure where you're coming from here, because nobody has ever claimed e-mail to be secure at all.
If you think that this power-line delivered data communications is unsafe, then you must also think that all wireless and cablemodem communications is unsafe as well..
Don't blame the transport layer for your "plain text" and "non-ssl e-mail" concerns.
People get so caught up in the wireless craze..
But unless it's a PDA, keyboard, or mouse, it's not going to be wireless, you'll have to plug it into the wall for power. Unless of course, you like buying lots and lots of batteries. Rechargable you say? Find a wireless battery charger and I'll retract.
So, you still have to cable the power cord. I mean, I'm not really saying this wireless stuff is bad, it's not. You can plug in your printer across the room and not have to run the USB/LPT cable.
I guess you have to take the name "wireless" literally, it's not "wirenone" it's just LESS wires.
If this becomes a common standard, however, it would be nice being able to buy *any* wireless USB mouse and not worry about what brand reciever you have. Although, this really isn't a huge issue.. Logitech wireless KB/Mouse stuff is cheap anyways.
... by getting interviews in the first place.
Comments from the AC aside, I think that KDE is fine for a server; it has some decent tools for configuring KDE and stuff.
However, I personally have never seen such a robust number such as 20% increase in performance versus other linux distributions (binary ones.) While it's true that optimizing the code for your setup specifically does help to a degree, in real-world performance it's never been a big seller for me.
But I do love the ease of configurability and availability of new packages.
If you're going to get into very specific cases, I can't argue with you about your specific problems. Of course the newsgroups are full of people with problems; that's where people report them. And I fully admit that there's plenty of goofups happening and it would be nice if they could perhaps pay a little more attention..
I guess I've been lucky? I mean, I know plenty of folks that run it and don't have any problems. Maybe that's because we don't update all our packages every week, it's not necessary.
GRP is a work in progress and is improving. Gentoo itself is feeling growing pains and they have been re-organizing some of the portage tree. Since they don't release new GRP's at the rate they have been fixing portage, there's some issues.
I can see a day when Gentoo matures and becomes one of the best and well organized distributions. Until then, there's issues that I'm happy to deal with for now. And honestly, I've never had any serious problems, although there's people that have, such as you.
You're right of course, and I agree. There should be some administration tools, and call me a weenie but I like to see GUI tools for things like this. Managing many server-type things can be done very effeciently in a GUI.
.MDB file. I think this is one of the big deals about it. Access brings it all together.
Don't get me wrong; I LOVE being able to command line everything. That's one of the biggest things that draws me to Linux. Best of all, the GUI and command line/scripting do not have to be exclusive. Just check out the wonderous Webmin.
I was however referring to the user-interface for the end-user. With an access 'database' you can also design views and whole applications that effectively hide the database backend, all in one
With any SQL server, including MS SQL and Oracle, you have to have a seperate front-end system to design the UI with. Many times this is done with a Web interface, and serves well. But it's not the best solution in many cases. Either way, you basically have to design and code your own application around the database backend.
KDE is big. Of course your little C3 chip is going to take a long time to compile KDE and all the deps.
Half the time compiling KDE is compiling QT, it seems.
I haven't ever had the major problems you have had. Sorry to hear you've had bad luck.. I've only run into a few small dependency problems, and most of them are in there just to force you to pay attention. Kopete and KDE 3.2 is a good example. Just unmerge Kopere and compile 3.2, you won't lose settings, but it's just there as a warning.
I have installed GRP packages quite often, and never had a problem with those either. Of course, I only used GRP on a new install and used emerge after that.
As far as etc-uptate not making backups? You have to TELL it to replace your old files, it won't do it automatically. I wish that the interface was a little more then running a diff check, but not once has it EVER overwritten any of my files without asking first. Pay attention!
I think the pros outweigh the cons by a good margin at this point. I'll admit, it's not always smooth. However, the ability to install almost any linux package with one simple command is leaps and bounds better then most distributions.
Most apps compile in minutes. I only emerge the big packages every few months, and that's even a lot. You don't need the latest versions just so you see the latest version numbers. If you have a halfway recent PC (you know, 533Mhz is getting a little slow these days, with all the processors being rated in Ghz now..) then it's a non-issue.
I recently compiled KDE 3.2 on an 1.1Ghz Athlon XP with 1GB RAM and it only took a few hours. It would have probably taken me that long to find and install all the right RPM's on a Fedora system, and I'd have to actually pay attention.. On my newer Athlon XP 3000 with the Barton core, 400Mhz RAM, etc etc, it would probably cut that time in half. As CPU's get faster, the compile issue will gradually become a moot point.
I think that if you aren't a technical Linux user, and/or don't have a machine powerful enough to handle the compiles, then you shouldn't use Gentoo. There's a lot of other distributions out there you could run, and it's all good. We're all running Linux.
Why bother huh? $1,000,000 says "bother" all over it.
Maybe in the end, one of the slow vehicles will win, but I wouldn't bet $1,000,000 on that. I'd run my truck/bike/whatever as fast as it can go reliably.
But if you plan on winning, you probably want to make it in before the last second.
But, you can't just "install SQL" somewhere and have a nice user interface to go along with it. Sure, the data *might* get organized better since you usually need to know a little bit more about databases to just use a SQL server, but then you need to design and impliment a seperate user interface..
Of course, you could use Access for that.. heh
Looking at the code and gaining some insite and knowledge to the inner workings of MS software, and using that knowledge to incorporate into your own product, may be illegal.
But, it happens all the time. ALL the time. You think the programmers at MS haven't poured through the Linux code? If what you say is correct, then Windows must be littered with Linux code just because they studied and learned something from it?
There's a line between reverse engineering and access to source code; but you're unlikely to prove something wasn't reverse engineered unless you copy and paste the code.
It may be unethical to use leaked MS code to improve your compatibility solutions, but with all the underhanded and generally nasty things corporations are doing, it's just more of the same..
And about your comment about the "IBM PC BIOS." Not even close. Proving that you copied a 256kbit bios is a lot easier then proving you used information learned from studying 50 lines of code out of 40GB...
Hey, I'm no saint in real life.. no need to be one online.
No way.
If you're working on a windows-compatibility software, what better way to learn API's, how things are processed, etc...
I say LOOK, learn, but don't cut'n'paste code.
Well, of course I agree completely with you. But that ain't going to happen anytime soon. Best we could hope for now is for there to be a much better review process on these patents. A review by people that know the industries that the patents apply to.
Of course, they never bred us just to eat us. Damn, that sounds cruel.
I still test 9V with my tongue. After testing several dozen batteries over time you learn what is good and what is weak, to a pretty accurate degree.
Anyways, I did the same as you with the phone line. It didn't really hurt but it sure surprised me!
And don't do it with cable TV coax either, with all this digital phone/tv/internet stuff those wires can crank out some voltage now too.
That's what I was thinking.
I really hope lawsuits like this don't get upheld... but sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't.
Auto-insert notification is such a simple thing, it's been in computers forever (and in microsoft land since '95) and just now the lawsuit?
The worst part is that these patents keep being passed, over and over.. we need some technical people in the patent offices, not temps making $7 an hour.
Whatever. It's just another case of "let people use it until it becomes vital and you can make a bundle of money, then sue."
There's always the group of people that "dispises" something that the "masses" use and like and need. I group you into the same group as people who claim "I have not owned a TV in 20 years and I'm proud of it."
However, I do use Lynx, it's handy to have around. But I don't dispise Javascript; it's pretty useful.
And it's not even that bad anymore, they've made a lot of progress in viewing angle correction. My friend has a 61" HDTV rear-projector TV and unless you're sitting closer then 3ft from the screen, it's clear and bright across the whole screen from almost any angle and pitch. And at the worst angles (extreme side viewing) the screen only appears slightly dim.
I'd say that the notion that viewing angle is a problem with rear projection is no longer valid, unless of course you like to sit 3 feet from your 61" TV.
Great, so that must mean you're employed..
I think Gnome is easy too, but I find that it's very simple. Now, simple isn't always a bad, but I've found Gnome to be a little *too* simple for me.
Frameworks and blah blah programming stuff aside, I find myself more at home at a KDE desktop then a Gnome one. It seems to just have more ways to customize your desktop then a Gnome setup. And, it's got a lot more applicaitons included, many of which I use and like a lot.
It's 100% user preference, and if you're really into Gnome, then by all means use it. KDE just seems to tie things together better, it's got more features, and it's got a much more agressive release schedule.
Yea, ununpunusulium or whatever is going to change my life..
"cryptic keystroke commands"
Yea, because nobody can figure out how to do anything without a mouse and two buttons anymore.
Naa, that's a bogus way to think about it.
I think anyone with half a brain realizes that this isn't the "Linux Community" that does these things, but a small rogue group of people. Since SCO is the big moron of the day, they get the DoS. If not, it would have been Microsoft, probably.
I've talked to a lot of people about this, and none of them think any less of Linux or OSS because of it. It doesn't change the fact that much OSS is high quality software.