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It's All About the Ununpentium
spitefulcrow writes "The New York Times is reporting that elements 113 and 115 have been created by a joint team of Russian and American scientists. The temporary names are ununtrium and ununpentium until the experiment has been duplicated and verified in another lab. According to the article, speculation has been made that 'Rather than being round, nuclei in that region and beyond could contain bubbles and have strange doughnut-like shapes'."
mmmmmm....mini-doughnuts..
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for the first bagel shaped nucleus.
"If anyone needs me, I'm in the angry dome."
Two new elements AND a new form of matter? These latest breakthroughs are simply amazing!
I for one salute our science community. Keep up the good work folks.
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Mmmmm... Forbidden ununpentium....
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
I'm sure there will be a movie about it. Bruce Willis the cab-driver and his girlfriend who wears nothing but ductape, all over again.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
...but when are we going to have the ununceleron, ununathlon, ununopteron & ununitanium?
-- Power corrupts, but PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
Does this mean that the isotopes of this element will be cheaper versions of original element?
Yes! I listen to NYC Speedcore and do math at 3AM. I suggest you try it too.
"According to the article, speculation has been made that 'Rather than being round, nuclei in that region and beyond could contain bubbles and have strange doughnut-like shapes'.""
Obesity strikes again.
I'm pretty sure the final name for the ununpentium element is going to be unathlon.
Cuz if it is
Laboratory tests prove the new element can't divide or multiply.
For the tin-foil hat impaired, here is a de-register-it-ized link: The Story
I think what we're all wonder is when are they going to get to Balognium?
Unless then meant that Macs are the UnPentium. In which case the above still holds. :)
You are not the customer.
That's not a new element, that's an old Intel chip!
Can Intel now sue Mendeleev for trademark violation?
This will be a black mark on the physics community for sure...
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Ununpentium? So how soon till Intel gets a hardon for them using this name and sends a C&D letter? Put me down for 8-12 months.
Interesting notion ... I happened to stumble across a reference to this "ununpentium" the other day while satisfying my science fiction curiosities on a site called "AboveTopSecret.com". Apparently, some of the Area 51 conspiracy theorists believe it's used in anti-gravity research... or something like that.
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Document about ununpentium published in 1999:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/elemen
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unuG5ium or unuPowerPCium, pentium doesnt deserve such an honour, we are talking about cpu's right ?
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Moe:Oy.
Virgil:
A) Proton
B) Neutron
C) Bonbon, or
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Physicists get Hadrons!
Element 115 is the preferred fuel of choice for Aliens: http://anw.com/aliens/ArtsParts.htm http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/element115.htm l
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Element_115.htm
If elements 113 and 115 were created by these scientists, what prevented them from creating 114? Was it simply that they could not create a stable element with the correct atomic weight? I am no atomic scientist, but if I could create elements with atomic weights of 113 and 115, it wouldn't be to long before I could create the perfect combination to reach 114.
I guess I should just be thankful for our scientific community.
I know I am missing a lot of the fine mechanics here, but is it the pursuit of the correct combination that is so hard? Or is it just minor alterations to existing elements?
Does element 114 already exist?
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Isn't it amazing what happens when folks slam atoms together at amazing speeds in a supercollider? For as amazingly advanced as civilization has become, we're still taking baby steps in discovering how the subatomic world really works.
And I don't understand much more than a quark of it.
The ununpentium: Element number 114.9999659899937582.
Tom Geller
We're looking for a stable heavy element. My question is, "Why?"
I mean, as if things weren't already fucked up enough, we actually have people working to bring into this world something which has never existed. And the consequences? Apparently nobody gives a shit.
Haven't these guys ever played DOOM? Or watched Event Horizon? I'd feel a lot safer if their creativity was tinged with a healthy dose of fear.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
Excuse me, I'm stupid.
And I have a headache at 3:25 AM. So sue me.
The only thing that girl's bandagewear could have possibly protected against was an NC-17 rating.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
anyone here a alien nut job?
A lot of people that beleive in Roswell and other anti-gravity events for some reason have decided that element 115 is THE element that has the property of producing anti-gravity when an electrical current is run through it...they base this assumtion on poorly done tests for elements just above 115 (I think copper?). Theere even is a book with the title element 115 on it....at least now we'll either have anti-gravity devices or be able to shut those idiots up!
No, it isn't. It's completely ununfunny, in fact.
See, THAT was funny.
This is like the 3rd time we've heard this, and again the article says "pending verification" from other labs' experiment. I wish they'd hold off on the story until it really is verified independently, and we can all bask in the glory of the new elements... :)
They create heavy elements, which are so unstable that they decay as quickly as they were created.
So I'm wondering - what's the point ? Just getting your name associated with an element in the periodic table ? It seems to me that the money would be better spent in doing stuff with real applications (like producing cheaper anti-matter or getting closer to controlled fusion)
The Raven
According to the article, speculation has been made that 'Rather than being round, nuclei in that region and beyond could contain bubbles and have strange doughnut-like shapes'.
Containing bubbles and doughnut-like shapes? I say they should be called Duffium and Homerium.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
But it's true!
Please! Mars needs unobtanium to continue powering their defense systems to rid themselves of the invading forces!
Must Resist need to put simpsons quote...
Can not do it... getting weak...
Mmmm, Doughnuts... Is There Anything They Can't Do?
Rather than being round, nuclei in that region and beyond could contain bubbles and have strange doughnut-like shapes
Adding weight to Homer's theory of a doughnut shaped universe.
so what y'all wanna do
gonna go do Dubna, in Russia
use isotopes in the atom crusher
find elements with a big atomic number
stabilize the subatomic structure, what?
I thought the scientists had lost count and just called it umpteenium.
For all of you who don't pay attention in class, ununpentium is Latin for "115". Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though...
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Excuse me, I'm stupid.
Yes. Yes, you are.
we've got elerium-115, alien alloys and ufo navigation.
UFO Power Source, Power Suit Armour and Heavy Plasma weapons here we come!
He who fights with Monkeys must take it upon himself not to become a Monkey.
'Rather than being round, nuclei in that region and beyond could contain bubbles and have strange doughnut-like shapes'.
Real Doughnuts (TM)! Who would have thought that the tasty 'O' of glazed goodness would have been higher form of matter?
Or maybe the intern shouldn't have put breakfast so close to the microscope....
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Awaiting the "In Russia, the scientists discover you" jokes any minute now.
I will always call element 115 Elerium.
FRA: STFU GTFO
I bet these new elements will require you throw away your entire old periodic table and get a new power supply. Slot 1 will last forever. Yeah, right.
at first the slasdot title puzzled me, then I remembered It's All About The Pentiums by Al Yankovic?
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a parody of "It's All About The Benjamins" by Puff Daddy
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There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
There are many other nuclei that can take the shape of a torous ( doughnut shaped). I accordance witht he uncertianty principle you can only predict a probobility of the shape, jsut like electron orbitals.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
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I misread it as unimportium, which seems to fit for these type of elements.
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That's all fine and well,butThe higher elements seem to be pretty worthless. Let me know when they discover jumbonium.
i could not think of anything clever.
One of the theories is that our universe is shaped like a doughnut. Universe as Doughnut: New Data, New Debate So, the highest and the deepest reaches are similar in our conception. I recollect that Star trek starts off with "Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. It's continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before." According to Douglas Adam, the answer is 42. I would say the other possible answers are 84, 126, 168, & 210. So, the correct answer is 126.
Q.E.D
To see a world in a grain of sand, and then to step back and see the beach where the sand lies
Other than bragging rights, does the discovery of these newer elements (most of which only exist for a tiny moment in time) serve any real purpose? Could someone explain how this type of research has produced real benefit for science?
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
So, based on that knowledge we can say that Element 115 should be very much like Element 83 (Bismuth), which is the most diamagnetic metal, giving it some very interesting properties.
Also, it should be noted that Element 115 should it possess diamagnetism, and all indications are that it should, it will be a much better diamagnetic material than Bismuth.
I was going to attempt a witty remark about Unintel Inside, but couldn't pull it off...
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Interesting? I remember reading about Ununpentium years ago right here. How can this be news?
What's so bad about being lazy? What if there was a war and nobody showed up?
Just look at hydrogen, oxygen, boron, carbon, flourine, argon, xenon, radon, chlorine, bromine, silicon, nitrogen, iodine etc, etc,.
On the album "Running with Scissors".
It's all about the pentiums, baby!
So that means they might actually find this element in Iraq. Maybe they bought it from Niger?
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From this site:
Nope, sorry. Cyanide is 5 times more poisonous than plutonium. Botulism is over a thousand times more deadly.
I don't read AC A human right
Upsidaisyum.
There's probably a perfectly simple way to make superheavy elements, too. We just need to get the quarks and the gluons into separate bottles, then just weigh the ingredients and get out the Magimix. All this colliding heavy nuclei at high speed may look good and make for big budgets, but all real progress is made with test tubes and Bunsen burners.
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
Dilithium? We need it for warp drives.
to provide fodder for ignorant slashdotters to question the value of research by people who have far more knowledge about a topic than they do.
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It's called an Athlon.
It should be called Elerium... you XCom players will know what I'm talking about...
His tone is a bit harsh, but vlad_petric raises a fair question: "what do they think they might find, or what ability might they gain?" If the answer is, "they don't know -- they're researching it because it was there," then that's fine... but those of us only peripherally aware of this kind of research wouldn't know that without asking.
And really, compared to some of the people in the threads on space travel, his tone was extremely tame.
*honk*
This is my sig. It's prescription, I swear. I need it for reading things... on the other side of things
Well, the article says they were able to maintain them for atleast some time, what kind of properties, did these elements emit? Anything interesting? Also, how can they stabelize such an element, so it does not decay to 113?
my thoughts exactly...so does this mean the next episode of the Gulf War will feature Blaster Bombs? :-)
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Bubbles in the structure? Maybe it'll form a geodesic? Then we can have Buckminsterfullerium!
About a year ago, my daughter was studying the bohr model of the atom. I was helping her with her homework. The question was, name the subatomic particle that orbits the nucleus. I said, "Well, atoms have protons, neutrons, and what?" She thought for a minute, then replied, "Croutons?"
Disconnect your television. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. They're probably lying. Don't be a sheep.
Actually it's "One-One-Fifth". (as in "the fifth", not in "one fifth")
Un is One in Latin and Pente is Five in Greek. (In Latin, Five is Quinque).
So it's more like in Latinogreek.
I just read this on CNN.com. Singer/actress Jennifer Lopez has died in a car crash on her way to her music studio. More details as they come in.
Unpentium? So, so, like this?
Heh... I've been waiting for the Golf War Series to get canceled... after all, I'm tired of them bringing back that Damned Bush Character ;)
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In the great game, "X-Com: Enemy Unknown," Element 115 (Elerium) was what the aliens used as a power source. I wasted soooo much time with tha game.
I remember reading about Lazar (for a while there was a joke that when 115 was discovered, it should be called 'lazarium') a few years back, when X Files mania was at its peak. The thing that convinced me he was full of shit was... well, the fact that he hadn't suffered a lethal 'accident' for exposing the guv'mint's biggest secret!
You must think in Russian.
So who wants to place bets on how long it is before Intel files a Trademark Infringement suit?
(no text) Really!
How can this be news?
You must be new to Slashdot.
when I saw that headline, I first thought the story was going to be about Intel suing for trademark infringement over the name "Ununpentium".
Sadly, it would not have surprised me at all if I had been right.
Cut to an outside view of a mushroom-cloud-shaped fountain of beer, and Chief Wiggum on the radio exclaiming, "Bring pretzels!!!".
Anyone remember what episode that was in?
I thought it was supposed to be called:
Unobtainium
or
Reallyexpensium
If scientists at IBM Research had come up with this, would they have called it UnunPowerPC?
I thought we had this but for a long while, it was known as Unobtainium?
Yup, still looking for Unobtainium and Ultronium on the chart.
Damn! They was just here somewhere!
My other car is a 1984 Nark Avenger.
Didn't Bob Lazar said in his interview a decade ago that they are using element 115 at Area 51 to power UFOs, and that they have large quantities of it from the ETs?
Faster cheaper and hotter than UnUnPentium.
Worst
mod parent up!
wouldnt that make it just pentium?
looks like intel strikes again..
The explosion put Homer in a coma, and the rest of the episode was everyone talking around him in his hospital bed, reminiscing, showing clips of earlier episodes.
I game, therefore I am...
Intel has their lawyers on standby, waiting to file a trademark infringement suit.
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
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Word on the street is that Intel invented the Pentium brand as you can't copyright/trademark a number, and the logical succesor to the 486 is the 586 - hence PENT-ium. Well, isn't that trademarkable? Otherwise, surely the Nuclear research facilities at CERN etc would have a valid preexistence case? Errr... I'm inventing the new Unium chip... With new salsa dip...
110 is 270 microseconds.
112 is 240 microseconds.
116 is 47 milliseconds
Can we say they really exist, or should we call it rather a random aglomeration of electrons, protons and neutrons?
Saying they were created is just like saying jumping is flying.
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you may find the Higgs in this signature.
The real advance will be with the new universe shaped donuts...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
What, are all the good names taken anyway?
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick
Well, no wonder ununpentium is unstable. These guys should stop using Windows and go with linux. The next thing you know, ununpentium is full security holes, or should I say security bubbles.
(beats a troll mod :)
I really don't know much about this field, so I didn't know that the research was at more of a fundamental stage than a practical one.(and I have no problem with that, nor their contiuation)
Again, thanks for the response.
*honk*
This is my sig. It's prescription, I swear. I need it for reading things... on the other side of things
And thanks to "The Fifth Element", the skycar scenes in Star Wars "Attack of the Clones" had a "Been there, done that" aspect.
People like doughnuts.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Probably need a lot less energy than this baby to it get up & running!
It's a good time to reference:
The Table of Condiments (that Periodically Go Bad),
which is arranged in order of lifetime.
Or maybe even Naquadria...
Probably not, but it's a nice thought.
-- This
Great news!! According to Bob Lazar, Element 115 has a "Strong Nuclear Force" to generate the gravity field for "Space-Time Compression." http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Element_115.htm
I created some ununpentium at home hoping it is worth more than gold. Unfortunatelly nobody bought it at ebay. What is 1kg of this matter worth?
and inefficient to boot.
everybody oohs and aahs at the lifters, but nobody seems to notice the 400 pound power supply needed to lift aluminum foil and balsa wood. a bladed fan and an electric motor can also fly, but uses way less power and can carry more.
If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
The problem with practical use of these super-heavy elements is they only exist for a couple of seconds, at best, under ideal labratory conditions.
The problem is these super-heavy synthetic elements don't last very long ( a couple of seconds at best ). So they would not be practical for application other than that of the scientific community.
In honor of the creators of X-Com, 115 should be called Gollopium.
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Deuterium is a stable isotope of hydrogen. Tritium is the only unstable, radioactive isotope. It's used in things like watches, for that nice tritium glow (the radiation produced isn't that penetrating, so keeping the tiny quantity of tritium gas in a glass tube is enough to minimize the risk... compare that to radium watch dials!).
Since deuterium isn't radioactive, it can't be used as a radiological tracer. Its use in nuclear reactors is because deuterium-laced "heavy" water (D20) is better at acting as a moderator for nuclear reactions. Normally, the neutrons produced in a reactor are moving too fast to cause a chain reaction. When they collide with light water, the hydrogen atoms absorb the neutrons and turn into deuterium. The deuterium atoms, however, simply slow down the neutrons without absorbing them, thus improving the efficiency of the chain reaction. That's why heavy water is useful for nuclear reactors.
Light water reactors are more common today, just because light water is slightly easier to get (heavy water is quite common in the oceans, but requires processing to separate the relevant isotopes), but heavy water reactors were important early on in the development of nuclear power, and they still have their uses today.
in other news scienticts have
found out that francium is a
super conductor at room temperatur...
to bad it's not stable.
but i bet yah it's gona make that time-maschine
1000x more accurate.
i was just wondering if dousing the
"crash chamber" (where the nuclei hit
each other) in liquid hydrogen
at the moment of creation would
make these super-heavy atoms live a bit
longer maybe?
"The temporary names are ununtrium and ununpentium [emphasis added] until the experiment has been duplicated and verified in another lab."
Or until Intel sues for using the name "pentium" in any form of communication without paying a fine to Intel.
Milla Jovovich, the actress who plays "his girlfriend who wears nothing" is on the net.
Google Milla Jovovich. With one hand, if you like.
If such a gizmo existed that could reconstruct you with all your memories intact, then I bet there would be extreme sports types who would for instance, skydive they wouldn't use parachutes because 'those are for wusses'. Real world/Road rules challenge could have immolation racing, where the contestants douse themselves with gasoline, and try to run as far as they can before they drop.
And of course, Gladiatore Violencia for dollars!
Eat at Joe's.
"dudupentium" teehee
Or people get a cold and go to the doctor who trivially replaces you with a clone so they can skip the feverish bedrest? Or doctors develve into 1-hour-photolab technicians since anything that is wrong with you can be solved with a patched clone and a brain scan. Those are far from the only interesting hints of future science covered but Cory Doctorow has been there and done that in his downloadable book, "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom." It's some of the best SF I've read in years, check er out...
I recall Technetium being radioactive, and therefore unstable.
...All the isotopes of technetium are radioactive. It is one of two elements with Z < 83 that have no stable isotopes; the other element is promethium (Z = 61).
The link also mentions:
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...it is
"Creativity is allowing ones self to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep" - Scott Adams
There's also an interactive one, color-coded for lifetimes, here. The half-life of these elements decreases from millenia to microseconds.
Cool link! As usual, since I'm not a physicist, the chart brings up more fun questions than it answers. Here's a question that I hope doesn't get me in trouble with Mr. Ashcroft & co!
According to the page I linked above, Uranium and Plutonium, the most well-known nu-cu-lar bomb materials, have isotopes with half-lives > 100,000 years. That explains how they can be stable enough to be worked into a sub-critical mass that can be compressed explosively into a critical mass.
But look up a couple of steps. Curium, element 96, has a couple of of isotopes with similar longevity. We know that after WWII, scientists studied the heck out of the trans-uranium elements... I wonder if anyone ever attempted to use Curium as a fissile material? Someone had to have the crazy idea to try Plutonium, so you have to figure someone tried it.
I did a quick Google, and didn't find much. But this article is pretty cool -- it turns out that Curium is patented! Glenn Seaborg (immortialized with his own element, #106 Seaborgium) patented it along with Americium -- the radioactive element in your home smoke detector. Does that mean that nobody can use Curium in their bombs without paying royalties to his estate?
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
Isn't the term 'elements' really a misnomer now that we've quite clearly realized that all 'elements' are really composed of subelements themselves (leptons, baryons, etc)?
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Theres a rather cool animation of atoms whizzing around the cyclotron at their web site. Naughty submitter forgot it. Bad submitter, go sit in the corner!
The best bit: (Please wait a moment while the 18 MB movie loads.)
Gee, you think...then wouldn't it just be pentium? (you know, to be grammarically correct and all.)
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