Visual Studio 2010 was awesome. Visual Studio 2012 is a sea of all caps menus, grey and such a minute dash of colour that makes partially sighted people like me wonder if they hallucinated it or got up too fast...
Seriously MS, fix it, along with the Coal Bunker/Snow Blindness colour schemes. I am not on a beach in Malibu, or the cockpit of a B2 on a bombing mission FFS!
To quote Churchill, "If you're not a Windows user at twenty you have no skill, if you're using Windows at forty you have no brain."
Either Churchill knew about operating systems decades before the concept was even invented or you don't know the difference between a paraphrase and a qoute... In either case you didn't really add anything of value to the topic, now did you?
I really can't understand why any person would want to own a gun or carry a gun, except maybe for hunting or sports.
The idea of people carrying leathal weapons to me is just scary, since I don't want people to have the opportunity to shoot at will.
Maybe the rate of homicide don't drop if we ban guns, but my guess is that it won't go up either. Why provide potentially insane or unstable people with yet another tool for inflicing damage onto other (or themselves).
In Sweden where I live it was rare even for the police to use their service weapons for a very long time, the idea being to not raise the level of violence (and starting a arms-race with criminals).
If I had some spare money I'd rather buy a guitar than a gun...
"when life gets complicated, I like to take a nap in a tree and wait for dinner" - Hobbes.
I guess the point would be that when you grow out of your unix-server you can move your application to a mainframe:-)
But then again, if you can afford the move from large unix-systems to even larger mainframes you can probably pay a dime or to to port your application...
Outlook and Outlook Express have nice ease of use, but we all know the utter lack of built-in security (this is Win98SE btw).
So, add a patch or turn off scripting and other insecure features and you're set... I've used Outlook since the initial release as well as all kinds of Windows and not once have I been infected by viruses, but a lot of people I know has and the main difference was sloppy administration and understanding of security issues. Outlook is, in my opinion, a great product when used correctly (and with some care).
When not connected to the Exchange server on the lan I prefer pine though, no problems there:-)
I highly suspect that MS will eventually junk the the thing and replace it with something much more scalable and straight-forward (probably based on a MS-SQL store).
Both yes and no. They won't kill the product as it's huge in the corporate world and a key part in the overall strategy but a upcoming version will be based on SQL-server, at least that's what I hear from sources in MS.
As for the Jet-engine used in Exchange I'd hardly call it legacy, try highly optimized instead. Actually one of the original ideas in the development of Exchange 4.0 (the first release) was to use the same engine as SQL-server but it was way to slow, so they choose to rewrite the Jet-engine used in Access and add things like transaction handling. All as I recall.
And while Outlook is good for the 'in-the-box' features, it's a really crappy platform for anything custom that you might need.
I have to disagree, in my opinion Outlook is a highly customisable platform with excellent programatic capabilities, just as Exchange is.
Actually he refers to the ancient DOS-based versions ie Win9x...
One problem with Windows is that versions of the OS still based on the ancient DOS had no real access control model. Concepts like file ownership and processes running as different users were not to be found in the "little brother" of the more professional Windows NT/2K operating systems
"A healthy market leads to more attractive prices for consumers".
By this standard, I suppose the music industry and (perhaps to a lesser extent) the software industry are "unhealthy". In fact, this makes piracy look pretty attractive, unless these "attractive prices" are cheaper than "free".
Both the software- and the music/entertainment-industries are unhealthy, mostly due to that a few large companies control vital parts of the markets. Compare with the computer hardware market which is a more "healthy" market where price drops and competition works, maybe not fully though.
Obviously, the reason we have piracy is *because* the current prices aren't "more attractive". Also, not everyone who pirates a program really needs it, especially not for the price that it is selling at.
I disagree, I would say that it's more like people don't view themselves as criminals when they steal IP, since the original owner of the IP doesn't lose it.
Justifying stealing by saying that you don't really need what you steal doesn't make it any less stealing...if you want it you should either pay for it or suppress your need.
because it might also decrease *SALES*, which is all they really care about. They don't care about their customers, just their money...
Basics of economics: If you mistreat your customers eventually you will lose them, and your sales.
I think that if there were no piracy at all we probably would see a more vibrant market, perhaps even healthier.
That's just my belief, and I neither work for MS or BSA...
Impressive but it doesn't really matter here since the standard slashdotter will probably dimiss him as not worth listening to since he happen to work for the evil empire, right?
it seems.. well.. wrong, for someone recommending the C++ standard to be part of ANY commercial company who's job it is to write C++ code.
I can't see that this is a problem, since the standard body consists of many people. It would be a problem if a majority of the standard body belonged to the same company and could force decisions, but I don't think that's the case here.
I don't think the fact that Kerningham & Ritchie worked for AT&T when C was born has been a problem and the same goes for Java with the ties to Sun (through Gosling, Joy et al).
I would think that it's a good thing that the people recommending standards work with the language.
But, isn't that backwards? Doesn't it make more sense for software makers to optimize for the available hardware? I always thought so. But, then it never until just now occurred to me that AMD is not and never has been in the business of making Intel-compatible chips; they've always been in the business of making Microsoft-compatible chips, and the distinction is not a subtle one.
Think about it, how many operating systems do people like AMD, Intel and nVidia have to optimize their hardware and software for, probably an average of four to five. Now think about MS, how many different hardware manufacturers are there that MS would have to support - a lot, so to some degree what he says makes sense.
As it turns out the HW people and MS meets halfway since Windows is built around some level of machine independence using things like the hardware abstraction layer and the HW people writes their own drivers.
There's one benefit though with with moving features from the hardware into the os - the cost for development and manufacturing of hardware devices lowers and that benefits you as a customer. If you want hardware which has manufacturer supplied drivers for multiple OS:s you have to be prepared to pay some more.
Microsoft HAS done several things wrong. Bundling a web browser and media player... these are not wrong things. Everyone else is doing them; What's next, removing xmms and mozilla from linux distributions because they are now too full-featured to compete with windows?
Exactly! And to demand that MS distribute competing products like Java in their OS is just a way for Sun to get a free ride...
Of course there should be choice, and there is...so if Sun claims, MS has to ship Java on Windows MS could claim that Sun should include.Net in Solaris...
This line (the last of the article actually) puzzles me a lot. Microsoft servers are not in direct competition with big irons but more with linux, BSD and solaris servers as far as my understanding goes. So why does he say that "non-MS servers" run on specialiazed microprocessors.
He probably says so because he compares commercial alternatives in the market spot MS is aiming for. And in the high-end server market Solaris is the dominant commercial OS and that runs on a specialiazed processor (sparc). Almost all commercial Unices run on non-Intel processors SCO Unix being the largest exception. But this is just my guess...
Since they are studying to be developers, show them unix from a developers point of view. Show things like version control (with cvs), how to compile code (gcc etc.). Make a point that all you need to develop applications is there right out of the box free of charge. Tell them about relevant things in unix systems (sockets, pipes, daemons).
Forget about MySQL. It's a nice DB but can't really compare to Oracle or SQL Server.
My final tip: Don't try to convert them or bash MS solutions, that would only alienate them. Just show how to get the work done in unix, and maybe they'll realize it's easier and develop further interest.
Fantastic! You've caught up with Unix which has been doing this since at/least/ 1995. Welcome to the 90's!!
It doesn't really matter if Unix has been doing it since '95 since it's not '95 anymore...
Excellent! and a malicous user, or l33t haq0r can sniff your password over the line. Key thing here about ssh, it's secure and it forwards X connections easily. Try not having a direct IP connection to your windows box, watch it fail. SSH handles NAT and other situations with grace.
Great, and btw I can use ssh on Windows to, thank you, and if I don't want to use plain-text protocols I can either use encryption (ipsec/vpn) or use Terminal Services.
Yet another cop out. You/can/ do this, but it simply doesn't work that well, nor do you have the flexability of a pure command line enviornment.
I do have a CLI which usually is sufficient, but if I need more I can always install bash and perl, or php or whatever...
Wait, you just got terminal services a few years ago. we had the same shit since 1984.
And who cares...it's there now.
Thanks for playing, please come again! Besides, sometimes remote X helps if you're not on the same content and you really want to use X on that system.
like using remote X to do a presentation to three contenents.
And tell me why I can't use Terminal Services for this???
You're too cute. Maybe you should think about taking a 3 year college program or something, you might have a clue about what you speak about then.
No, you're too cute...
For the record I use both Unix and Windows systems, with no or little bias. Whatever gets the work done.
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Visual Studio 2010 was awesome. Visual Studio 2012 is a sea of all caps menus, grey and such a minute dash of colour that makes partially sighted people like me wonder if they hallucinated it or got up too fast...
Seriously MS, fix it, along with the Coal Bunker/Snow Blindness colour schemes. I am not on a beach in Malibu, or the cockpit of a B2 on a bombing mission FFS!
You know you can change the color and font scheme with an extension?
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/YourColorfulVisualStudio2012WithTheColorThemeEditorVS2010ColorsToo.aspx
To quote Churchill, "If you're not a Windows user at twenty you have no skill, if you're using Windows at forty you have no brain."
Either Churchill knew about operating systems decades before the concept was even invented or you don't know the difference between a paraphrase and a qoute... In either case you didn't really add anything of value to the topic, now did you?
I for one need to run certain Windows only applications, and I guess I'm not alone...
This could very well be the thread most worth reading on /. in weeks.
>It could be done much quicker than that if they'd open their source. Linux users trust their platform.
No, not all linux users trust their platform. I for one don't. I like it but there's no way I'll put my trust in it, or any other OS I run.
What ever happened to UnixWare? As I remember it was a quite competent flavor of unix.
4.5 Some 3:rd party, like Caldera or Sun, buys Sendo assets in order to gain the right to sue Microsoft :-)
I really can't understand why any person would want to own a gun or carry a gun, except maybe for hunting or sports.
The idea of people carrying leathal weapons to me is just scary, since I don't want people to have the opportunity to shoot at will.
Maybe the rate of homicide don't drop if we ban guns, but my guess is that it won't go up either. Why provide potentially insane or unstable people with yet another tool for inflicing damage onto other (or themselves).
In Sweden where I live it was rare even for the police to use their service weapons for a very long time, the idea being to not raise the level of violence (and starting a arms-race with criminals).
If I had some spare money I'd rather buy a guitar than a gun...
"when life gets complicated, I like to take a nap in a tree and wait for dinner" - Hobbes.
If you're interested in good movies chech out Fritz Langs movies about Dr. Mabuse, Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler (1922) and in particular Dr. Mabuses Testament (1933).
But then again, if you can afford the move from large unix-systems to even larger mainframes you can probably pay a dime or to to port your application...
On Nasdaq... good for HPQ they're traded on NYSE then.
So, add a patch or turn off scripting and other insecure features and you're set...
I've used Outlook since the initial release as well as all kinds of Windows and not once have I been infected by viruses, but a lot of people I know has and the main difference was sloppy administration and understanding of security issues. Outlook is, in my opinion, a great product when used correctly (and with some care).
When not connected to the Exchange server on the lan I prefer pine though, no problems there :-)
Both yes and no. They won't kill the product as it's huge in the corporate world and a key part in the overall strategy but a upcoming version will be based on SQL-server, at least that's what I hear from sources in MS.
As for the Jet-engine used in Exchange I'd hardly call it legacy, try highly optimized instead. Actually one of the original ideas in the development of Exchange 4.0 (the first release) was to use the same engine as SQL-server but it was way to slow, so they choose to rewrite the Jet-engine used in Access and add things like transaction handling. All as I recall.
And while Outlook is good for the 'in-the-box' features, it's a really crappy platform for anything custom that you might need.
I have to disagree, in my opinion Outlook is a highly customisable platform with excellent programatic capabilities, just as Exchange is.
One problem with Windows is that versions of the OS still based on the ancient DOS had no real access control model. Concepts like file ownership and processes running as different users were not to be found in the "little brother" of the more professional Windows NT/2K operating systems
Both the software- and the music/entertainment-industries are unhealthy, mostly due to that a few large companies control vital parts of the markets. Compare with the computer hardware market which is a more "healthy" market where price drops and competition works, maybe not fully though.
Obviously, the reason we have piracy is *because* the current prices aren't "more attractive". Also, not everyone who pirates a program really needs it, especially not for the price that it is selling at.
I disagree, I would say that it's more like people don't view themselves as criminals when they steal IP, since the original owner of the IP doesn't lose it.
Justifying stealing by saying that you don't really need what you steal doesn't make it any less stealing...if you want it you should either pay for it or suppress your need.
because it might also decrease *SALES*, which is all they really care about. They don't care about their customers, just their money...
Basics of economics: If you mistreat your customers eventually you will lose them, and your sales.
I think that if there were no piracy at all we probably would see a more vibrant market, perhaps even healthier.
That's just my belief, and I neither work for MS or BSA...
Impressive but it doesn't really matter here since the standard slashdotter will probably dimiss him as not worth listening to since he happen to work for the evil empire, right?
I can't see that this is a problem, since the standard body consists of many people. It would be a problem if a majority of the standard body belonged to the same company and could force decisions, but I don't think that's the case here.
I don't think the fact that Kerningham & Ritchie worked for AT&T when C was born has been a problem and the same goes for Java with the ties to Sun (through Gosling, Joy et al).
I would think that it's a good thing that the people recommending standards work with the language.
Just my .2$
I don't live in the US and I haven't seen any news on the trial.
Think about it, how many operating systems do people like AMD, Intel and nVidia have to optimize their hardware and software for, probably an average of four to five. Now think about MS, how many different hardware manufacturers are there that MS would have to support - a lot, so to some degree what he says makes sense.
As it turns out the HW people and MS meets halfway since Windows is built around some level of machine independence using things like the hardware abstraction layer and the HW people writes their own drivers.
There's one benefit though with with moving features from the hardware into the os - the cost for development and manufacturing of hardware devices lowers and that benefits you as a customer. If you want hardware which has manufacturer supplied drivers for multiple OS:s you have to be prepared to pay some more.
Exactly! And to demand that MS distribute competing products like Java in their OS is just a way for Sun to get a free ride...
Of course there should be choice, and there is...so if Sun claims, MS has to ship Java on Windows MS could claim that Sun should include .Net in Solaris...
Am I kidding, who knows?
He probably says so because he compares commercial alternatives in the market spot MS is aiming for. And in the high-end server market Solaris is the dominant commercial OS and that runs on a specialiazed processor (sparc). Almost all commercial Unices run on non-Intel processors SCO Unix being the largest exception.
But this is just my guess...
Or use the uplink to connect to a backbone network. That's really what the uplinks are there for.
Forget about MySQL. It's a nice DB but can't really compare to Oracle or SQL Server.
My final tip: Don't try to convert them or bash MS solutions, that would only alienate them. Just show how to get the work done in unix, and maybe they'll realize it's easier and develop further interest.
It doesn't really matter if Unix has been doing it since '95 since it's not '95 anymore...
Excellent! and a malicous user, or l33t haq0r can sniff your password over the line. Key thing here about ssh, it's secure and it forwards X connections easily. Try not having a direct IP connection to your windows box, watch it fail. SSH handles NAT and other situations with grace.
Great, and btw I can use ssh on Windows to, thank you, and if I don't want to use plain-text protocols I can either use encryption (ipsec/vpn) or use Terminal Services.
Yet another cop out. You /can/ do this, but it simply doesn't work that well, nor do you have the flexability of a pure command line enviornment.
I do have a CLI which usually is sufficient, but if I need more I can always install bash and perl, or php or whatever...
Wait, you just got terminal services a few years ago. we had the same shit since 1984.
And who cares...it's there now.
Thanks for playing, please come again! Besides, sometimes remote X helps if you're not on the same content and you really want to use X on that system. like using remote X to do a presentation to three contenents.
And tell me why I can't use Terminal Services for this???
You're too cute. Maybe you should think about taking a 3 year college program or something, you might have a clue about what you speak about then.
No, you're too cute...
For the record I use both Unix and Windows systems, with no or little bias. Whatever gets the work done.