How are they abusing their power? This is a legit piece of OSS, licensed under the OSF approved Mozilla Public License.
The "artwork" problem you mention stemmed from the fact that MF is protecting its trademarks. The code itself is free and available, but as you may remember from/. legal teachings, trademarks are lost if they are not protected. See Xerox, Kleenex, and maybe eventually Google for such instances. Lack of trademarked artwork in no way hinders the actual functionality of the software, so what's the problem? In a more practical sense, protecting their trademark also ensures that not just anyone can roll a Firefox build, put in lots of crappy patches that make it suck, and make it look just as legit as the official builds. In that instance, who gets the blame for a shoddy product? More than likely not the person who made the build.
Plus, what bug # are you referring to? You link to an attachment, but an attachment means nothing without the discussion and context of the actual bug. Not to mention the attachment has a revision date of June 2004.
Right now, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Marketing and brand recognition is one of the categories where OSS suffers, simply because everyone is busy coding and resources are scarce. Even recently, most of the major marketing efforts on *behalf of* Linux are coming from major corporations (with cash), such as IBM, Novell, and RedHat. Linus is too busy to be worried about TV ads (rightfully so). It's good to see that Mozilla recognizes this is a weakness, and continues to address it.
Don't forget that because this is all open source, if something really truly bad starts to happen, nothing stops you from branching and starting your own project. See xorg if you need an example.
While I agree with your main point, I want to nitpick with your statement about the Pentium-M, because obviously you aren't fully aware of those.
Pentium M chips are Intel's new flagship processors on the mobile side. While Pentium 4s are still around, those are simply desktop chips bolted into a mobile form factor (and THOSE are the ones that are usually cheaper, because desktop chips are always cheaper than mobile equivalents), unless you get the special P4-M derivative (all but gone nowadays).
You'll find Pentium-M (or Centrino brand) processors in a variety of machines, typically no cheaper than $1200 and up to $2500 beasts (for the insane gamers). There are, of course, P-M based Celeron derivatives, which don't sound all that bad on paper (on paper, they almost sound like the same as the original P-Ms).
As for G4 vs P-M, that brings the whole completely different architecture argument again. I'd say both are excellent processors, and both excel at low-power environments.
Steam purchases do not unlock until the very same day that the game releases in stores. This means that, assuming they make their expected ship date (hurry up on printing those CDs VUG!), HL2 will unlock on Steam on Nov 16 (probably at 8am or something) as well. Of course, CS:S is available on Steam right now...
If you've already got an ATIHL2 voucher, redeem it through steam to get your Bronze edition free (HL2 + CS:S).
Another reminder: Steam does not include physical hard copies. Everything is a digital download from Steam. That being said, there is nothing that prevents you from copying and burning the steam cache files elsewhere so you don't have to redownload several GB of stuff on a reformat or whatever. The exception is the Gold package, which has a lot of physical goodies that are shipped to you (but not the game itself).
Don't forget to mail your HL2 postcard from the Gold package to 3drealms:)
Except your simplistic model forgets to include the Sempron 3100+, based off of the Newcastle design. In other words, an a64 derivative:) The review itself includes a Sempron based off of the athlonxp and then one from the athlon64 line.
It's simply Sempron = Budget, Athlon = Performance, Athlon FX = Flagship performance and price. Currently, no semprons have 64-bit, but I expect once 64bit starts taking off they'll have to put it back in.
The karma supports Ogg Vorbis, MP3, WMA, and FLAC fully and without issues. Comparable to AAC, MP3, and Apple Lossless for you ipod whores:)
Another great feature is the 5-band parametric EQ, for you audiophiles who know what you're doing. There are of course various presets.
I want to reiterate Gapless Playback support. As far as I know, no one else has managed to do this properly yet (iriver's got a crappy beta firmware I think). Great for those live albums that absolutely must blend into each other.
The Karma supports any and all OSes, including Linux, provided you have Java installed and have the Karma hooked up via network.
The menu system is just about as easy as the ipod's. Both have well laid out menus.
The karma also has on the fly playlists, which I believe the 4g ipod just recently got.
If the OP only has linux machines at home, chances are he didn't apply the necessary firmware patches.
While the unit does have a history of locking up, this was both a problem of between the Hitachi drive's firmware and the Karma's firmware. As of FW 1.25 (I believe) Rio believes they have completely solved problems from their end. Thus, if you have a fully updated Karma and the drive is still flaking out, it's probably Hitachi's fault (still Rio's fault for choosing Hitachi, but at least you know what's going on).
Firmware upgrades are regrettably only upgradeable through USB using Windows. However, once you update the firmware yourself, Rio Music Manager Lite (the java version mentioned) works perfectly fine through Ethernet, and is quite nice actually. The latest firmware available is v1.68, obtainable from the Karma support site.
As a review though, this kinda sucked because it doesn't mention other niceties of the Karma. Battery life is rated at about 15 hours (12 if you use oggs exclusively). Gapless playback is possible with LAME-ripped MP3s and all Oggs. The karma is perfectly capable of using DHCP, not sure why the reviewer wanted to go through the hassle of a static assignment.
Riovolution is a great site for Rio owners, containing FAQs and a useful Forum. In fact, Rio employees post on the website from time to time, though obviously in an unofficial manner. That site was the originator of the "smack your karma" solution if you ran into the same problem as the user above did (short reason: sticky hard drive. Check the FAQs).
Personally, I love my Karma. I got it at Bestbuy with warranty in case it died, so I don't have to worry about that. I have yet to experience ANY hard drive issues (upgraded the firmware as the first thing I did), and it's been working great so far. I've been using it for about 5 months now with no problems. My personal rating of the product would be 6-7/10 because of the reliability issues with the product (new units don't seem to be bad, but it's hard to get accurate numbers). Without reliability problems I'd give it a 9/10.
This has been well known in palm fan sites for a while now, and it's really obvious anyway.
This is also really good for the consumer, cause, if you haven't noticed, the Treo 600 is a really great device (best PDAphone combo out there), buuuuuuut, it continues to stick around the $500 price tag at the phone retailers. For me, that's way too much to pay for either a phone OR a PDA. What having a complete lineup will do is finally bring the 600 down into mainstream prices.
PS: Now that the Netscape browser has devolved into Firefox, and the enterprise stuff has been sold to Red Hat, does Netscape still exist as an independent company [other than some "portal" site on the web]?
The answer is no. I wasn't even aware that Netscape still had server products; I thought part of the AOL/Netscape merger was that all of those were sold off to Sun as iPlanet.
July 2003 was when all Netscape browser developers were fired from AOL, and AOL now has no relationship with Mozilla other than history.
Basically the only things left of Netscape now are Netscape.com portal and a brand name.
Uhh, that assumes AOL has the rights to Mozilla.org to begin with. Remember that whole "firing all Netscape devs" and "Mozilla foundation" thing a year or so ago? Yeah, that means AOL doesn't control Mozilla at all.
It should be worthy to note that the standards body ECMA now controls the Javascript standard, and can be referred to as ECMAScript (now up to 1.5 I believe)
I honestly want to know what version of RealPlayer you're installing. Since RealOne (I guess realplayer 9) I haven't ever seen a window like what you described. The only thing I can think of is the one where you select a bunch of file/MIME types you want RP10 to associate with, and that's only if you click on "customize" instead of using the big categories that they let you use. I'm browsing through the RP10 Prefs window right now and I can't find anything like you describe, not even in that stupid Message Center.
Now, if you're talking RealPlayer G2 up to 8, then I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, and that was definitely one of the sneakier things I've seen. It only got you signed up for their stupid newsletters, but it's still crap in people's inboxes that they don't need. But that's still beside the point, as all their behavior improvements can be seen in RealPlayer 10 (all platforms). You can hardly expect Real to retroactively make their old and unsupported players behave nicely.
I'm not sure I would call it being dishonest. There's actually rules against that when you're a CEO (though, as we know, Darl takes such rules to heart).
I read it more as a "he's not going to publicly trash his own company" or "watch out for marketing spin anyway." As much as you would want him to say "Yeah, RealPlayer used to suck a lot," that's an unrealistic expectation for a still-current CEO of the company.
This is only the Firefox 1.0 Preview Release. It isn't the final 1.0 by any means, though it should be feature complete. It's certainly the most polished one I've seen; I've been using nightlies for a little while now and they've been great so far.
There's also a new community marketing effort at SpreadFirefox.com, and one of their first goals is 1 million downloads in 10 days. Come on Slashdot, spread the word, we can do it!
You might be pleased to know that Firefox already has this, though not very well publicised. Typing in anything that's not a website in the address bar takes goes through an "I'm feeling lucky" search, which this sounds like it is.
Also not terribly surprising considering that Netscape was a big proponent of Internet Keywords, back in the crappy ol' 4.x days.
I have a feeling the reason for the different web pages is because of their various subscription services. Probably for one reason or another, they cannot sell EU customers various Radio stations on Superpass or any of the music on Rhapsody or RPMS. If that's the case, then why make the UK/EU customers sift through the irrelevant stuff (Real's Harmony marketing scheme won't matter if they can't buy any)?
Sure, and odd way to do it, but certainly understandable.
Are there any plans to make Rhapsody start using RealAudio and/or AAC as its audio codec format, as opposed to WMA as it stands currently? As is the question on everyone else's minds, are there any plans to bring Rhapsody to Linux and/or Mac in the near future?
Also, are there any plans to make Rhapsody and the RealPlayer Music Store combine into one single program, as opposed to the two separate efforts today? (For those not in the know, the RPMS sells 192kbit DRM AAC files, while Rhapsody is purely streaming only) To me, it would make more sense to combine the two, following a format akin to Napster.
Are there are any plans in the future to create a slimmed down RealPlayer, similar to the ones now available for Linux and OSX, where there is no integrated browser control and all it does is play RealMedia files, and does that well?
Part of your problem is exacerbated by the fact that ATI doesn't support Catalyst driver sets for Mobile cards. For those, you are instructed to get them from your OEM because they customize the default driver set to match your notebook and flat panel's specs. Is it necessary? Probably not, but as far as ATI is concerned this keeps the quality high because they don't have to worry about what weird ass configuration your notebook has (most of the desktop lines are fairly close to the standard reference config). As far as I know, nvidia is the same way with the GF GO drivers.
HOWEVER, you CAN mod the catalyst driver sets to work with your laptop without difficulty. It is obviously a "do at your own risk" deal, so if something fucks up you can't blame ATI for going your own route (even though in all likelihood nothing bad will happen). Go here.
In Linux, the binary driver sets specifically include support for the mobility cards:
ATI MOBLITIY(TM) Product Support
The ATI Proprietary Linux driver is designed to support the following ATI
MOBILITY(TM) product family:
MOBILITY(TM) RADEON(TM) 9600
MOBILITY(TM) RADEON(TM) 9200
MOBILITY(TM) RADEON(TM) 9000
What Rio devices? You're completely unspecific. Keep in mind that Rio's been bounced around to a couple different owners nowadays:)
Problems with the early Karmas were mostly fixed, but the HD unit is still slightly fragile (the engineers at Rio are doing all they can). I heard the SonicBlue units sucked a lot.
You'll notice that the Carbon's scroll wheel is a lot less notable and doesn't jut out anywhere near as much. I imagine that the Karma 2 will probably have the same redesign. You think Rio replaces RMA units for shits and giggles?:)
It's also important to note that the Karma uses a Hitachi 20GB 1.8" HD, as opposed to the Toshibas that everyone else seems to love. Those were a new a form factor and model for Hitachi, and consequently they had growing pains. Rio thought they fixed all the firmware issues on their side a while ago, but if it's still happening there migth still be a problem within Hitachi's firmware. New units purchases recently don't seem to have anywhere near as many problems as the first ones did as far as the HD is concerned. While this isn't to say that Rio is blameless (their design choice selected Hitachi), it's not *completely* their fault.
Well considering that HL2 is expected to be at LEAST one DVD, it makes sense to start preloading now so as to avoid the traffic jam when the game IS inevitably released. One DVD puts it at around 4GB to start out with. If you were Valve, do you want the entire globe hammering your servers to download HL2 on the same day as retail, or do you want to tout the benefits of an Internet delivery system and let them preload the major components well ahead of time, so as to allow the game to unlock on the day of release for instant play?
Right now the stuff that's being preloaded is fairly unimportant and static stuff, eg sounds, artwork, etc. The engine itself is obviously being tweaked still (see CSSource beta) so it wouldn't make sense to have people preloading those first.
It should also be noted that the compressed size of the steam cache right now is 500MB or so, which means that there's a lot more to come in the future.
Right. Can you prove that there's spyware in RealPlayer? I'd very much like to see current stats on that.
I'm not talking about RealPlayer 8, or the 'Message Center' (which can be turned off), or any autoupdate features. I'm talking about honest-to-god spyware found in RealPlayer 10-10.5beta. You know, spyware that actually spies on what you browse and reports on it back to Real (the bundled Google bar doesn't count either, cause that's, well, Google).
Most people at least say "they did it before, not sure if I trust them just yet," but *you* made the claim that they're still doing it. Now I say prove it.
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How are they abusing their power? This is a legit piece of OSS, licensed under the OSF approved Mozilla Public License.
/. legal teachings, trademarks are lost if they are not protected. See Xerox, Kleenex, and maybe eventually Google for such instances. Lack of trademarked artwork in no way hinders the actual functionality of the software, so what's the problem? In a more practical sense, protecting their trademark also ensures that not just anyone can roll a Firefox build, put in lots of crappy patches that make it suck, and make it look just as legit as the official builds. In that instance, who gets the blame for a shoddy product? More than likely not the person who made the build.
The "artwork" problem you mention stemmed from the fact that MF is protecting its trademarks. The code itself is free and available, but as you may remember from
Plus, what bug # are you referring to? You link to an attachment, but an attachment means nothing without the discussion and context of the actual bug. Not to mention the attachment has a revision date of June 2004.
Right now, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Marketing and brand recognition is one of the categories where OSS suffers, simply because everyone is busy coding and resources are scarce. Even recently, most of the major marketing efforts on *behalf of* Linux are coming from major corporations (with cash), such as IBM, Novell, and RedHat. Linus is too busy to be worried about TV ads (rightfully so). It's good to see that Mozilla recognizes this is a weakness, and continues to address it.
Don't forget that because this is all open source, if something really truly bad starts to happen, nothing stops you from branching and starting your own project. See xorg if you need an example.
While I agree with your main point, I want to nitpick with your statement about the Pentium-M, because obviously you aren't fully aware of those.
Pentium M chips are Intel's new flagship processors on the mobile side. While Pentium 4s are still around, those are simply desktop chips bolted into a mobile form factor (and THOSE are the ones that are usually cheaper, because desktop chips are always cheaper than mobile equivalents), unless you get the special P4-M derivative (all but gone nowadays).
You'll find Pentium-M (or Centrino brand) processors in a variety of machines, typically no cheaper than $1200 and up to $2500 beasts (for the insane gamers). There are, of course, P-M based Celeron derivatives, which don't sound all that bad on paper (on paper, they almost sound like the same as the original P-Ms).
As for G4 vs P-M, that brings the whole completely different architecture argument again. I'd say both are excellent processors, and both excel at low-power environments.
Steam purchases do not unlock until the very same day that the game releases in stores. This means that, assuming they make their expected ship date (hurry up on printing those CDs VUG!), HL2 will unlock on Steam on Nov 16 (probably at 8am or something) as well. Of course, CS:S is available on Steam right now...
:)
If you've already got an ATIHL2 voucher, redeem it through steam to get your Bronze edition free (HL2 + CS:S).
Another reminder: Steam does not include physical hard copies. Everything is a digital download from Steam. That being said, there is nothing that prevents you from copying and burning the steam cache files elsewhere so you don't have to redownload several GB of stuff on a reformat or whatever. The exception is the Gold package, which has a lot of physical goodies that are shipped to you (but not the game itself).
Don't forget to mail your HL2 postcard from the Gold package to 3drealms
Except your simplistic model forgets to include the Sempron 3100+, based off of the Newcastle design. In other words, an a64 derivative :) The review itself includes a Sempron based off of the athlonxp and then one from the athlon64 line.
It's simply Sempron = Budget, Athlon = Performance, Athlon FX = Flagship performance and price. Currently, no semprons have 64-bit, but I expect once 64bit starts taking off they'll have to put it back in.
Oh, a couple of more additions:
:)
The karma supports Ogg Vorbis, MP3, WMA, and FLAC fully and without issues. Comparable to AAC, MP3, and Apple Lossless for you ipod whores
Another great feature is the 5-band parametric EQ, for you audiophiles who know what you're doing. There are of course various presets.
I want to reiterate Gapless Playback support. As far as I know, no one else has managed to do this properly yet (iriver's got a crappy beta firmware I think). Great for those live albums that absolutely must blend into each other.
The Karma supports any and all OSes, including Linux, provided you have Java installed and have the Karma hooked up via network.
The menu system is just about as easy as the ipod's. Both have well laid out menus.
The karma also has on the fly playlists, which I believe the 4g ipod just recently got.
While the unit does have a history of locking up, this was both a problem of between the Hitachi drive's firmware and the Karma's firmware. As of FW 1.25 (I believe) Rio believes they have completely solved problems from their end. Thus, if you have a fully updated Karma and the drive is still flaking out, it's probably Hitachi's fault (still Rio's fault for choosing Hitachi, but at least you know what's going on).
Firmware upgrades are regrettably only upgradeable through USB using Windows. However, once you update the firmware yourself, Rio Music Manager Lite (the java version mentioned) works perfectly fine through Ethernet, and is quite nice actually. The latest firmware available is v1.68, obtainable from the Karma support site. As a review though, this kinda sucked because it doesn't mention other niceties of the Karma. Battery life is rated at about 15 hours (12 if you use oggs exclusively). Gapless playback is possible with LAME-ripped MP3s and all Oggs. The karma is perfectly capable of using DHCP, not sure why the reviewer wanted to go through the hassle of a static assignment.
Riovolution is a great site for Rio owners, containing FAQs and a useful Forum. In fact, Rio employees post on the website from time to time, though obviously in an unofficial manner. That site was the originator of the "smack your karma" solution if you ran into the same problem as the user above did (short reason: sticky hard drive. Check the FAQs).
Personally, I love my Karma. I got it at Bestbuy with warranty in case it died, so I don't have to worry about that. I have yet to experience ANY hard drive issues (upgraded the firmware as the first thing I did), and it's been working great so far. I've been using it for about 5 months now with no problems. My personal rating of the product would be 6-7/10 because of the reliability issues with the product (new units don't seem to be bad, but it's hard to get accurate numbers). Without reliability problems I'd give it a 9/10.
This has been well known in palm fan sites for a while now, and it's really obvious anyway.
This is also really good for the consumer, cause, if you haven't noticed, the Treo 600 is a really great device (best PDAphone combo out there), buuuuuuut, it continues to stick around the $500 price tag at the phone retailers. For me, that's way too much to pay for either a phone OR a PDA. What having a complete lineup will do is finally bring the 600 down into mainstream prices.
The answer is no. I wasn't even aware that Netscape still had server products; I thought part of the AOL/Netscape merger was that all of those were sold off to Sun as iPlanet.
July 2003 was when all Netscape browser developers were fired from AOL, and AOL now has no relationship with Mozilla other than history.
Basically the only things left of Netscape now are Netscape.com portal and a brand name.
Rumor has it that Sven co-op (the people that brought you co-op mode for HL1) will be working on an HL2 mod.
Besides, this is the AOL mozilla-based product with all the ads in it.
It should be worthy to note that the standards body ECMA now controls the Javascript standard, and can be referred to as ECMAScript (now up to 1.5 I believe)
Don't like the personalization features? Then use the generic search page.
Lastly, amazon's offering a discount to all a9 users
I honestly want to know what version of RealPlayer you're installing. Since RealOne (I guess realplayer 9) I haven't ever seen a window like what you described. The only thing I can think of is the one where you select a bunch of file/MIME types you want RP10 to associate with, and that's only if you click on "customize" instead of using the big categories that they let you use. I'm browsing through the RP10 Prefs window right now and I can't find anything like you describe, not even in that stupid Message Center.
Now, if you're talking RealPlayer G2 up to 8, then I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, and that was definitely one of the sneakier things I've seen. It only got you signed up for their stupid newsletters, but it's still crap in people's inboxes that they don't need. But that's still beside the point, as all their behavior improvements can be seen in RealPlayer 10 (all platforms). You can hardly expect Real to retroactively make their old and unsupported players behave nicely.
I'm not sure I would call it being dishonest. There's actually rules against that when you're a CEO (though, as we know, Darl takes such rules to heart).
I read it more as a "he's not going to publicly trash his own company" or "watch out for marketing spin anyway." As much as you would want him to say "Yeah, RealPlayer used to suck a lot," that's an unrealistic expectation for a still-current CEO of the company.
Hey, can you blame him? If I put out a piece of crap like Realplayer 8, I wouldn't want to acknowledge its existence or effects either :)
If you never ever ever ever download their improved products in the future, how on earth are you ever going to refine your opinion on them?
Past history is important, but the fact that they're trying to move forward is also important.
There's also a new community marketing effort at SpreadFirefox.com, and one of their first goals is 1 million downloads in 10 days. Come on Slashdot, spread the word, we can do it!
You might be pleased to know that Firefox already has this, though not very well publicised. Typing in anything that's not a website in the address bar takes goes through an "I'm feeling lucky" search, which this sounds like it is.
Also not terribly surprising considering that Netscape was a big proponent of Internet Keywords, back in the crappy ol' 4.x days.
I have a feeling the reason for the different web pages is because of their various subscription services. Probably for one reason or another, they cannot sell EU customers various Radio stations on Superpass or any of the music on Rhapsody or RPMS. If that's the case, then why make the UK/EU customers sift through the irrelevant stuff (Real's Harmony marketing scheme won't matter if they can't buy any)?
Sure, and odd way to do it, but certainly understandable.
Are there any plans to make Rhapsody start using RealAudio and/or AAC as its audio codec format, as opposed to WMA as it stands currently? As is the question on everyone else's minds, are there any plans to bring Rhapsody to Linux and/or Mac in the near future?
Also, are there any plans to make Rhapsody and the RealPlayer Music Store combine into one single program, as opposed to the two separate efforts today? (For those not in the know, the RPMS sells 192kbit DRM AAC files, while Rhapsody is purely streaming only) To me, it would make more sense to combine the two, following a format akin to Napster.
Are there are any plans in the future to create a slimmed down RealPlayer, similar to the ones now available for Linux and OSX, where there is no integrated browser control and all it does is play RealMedia files, and does that well?
HOWEVER, you CAN mod the catalyst driver sets to work with your laptop without difficulty. It is obviously a "do at your own risk" deal, so if something fucks up you can't blame ATI for going your own route (even though in all likelihood nothing bad will happen). Go here.
In Linux, the binary driver sets specifically include support for the mobility cards:
What Rio devices? You're completely unspecific. Keep in mind that Rio's been bounced around to a couple different owners nowadays :)
Problems with the early Karmas were mostly fixed, but the HD unit is still slightly fragile (the engineers at Rio are doing all they can). I heard the SonicBlue units sucked a lot.
Previous Rio owners:
Diamond Multimedia > SonicBlue > DenonMerantz/DNNA
You'll notice that the Carbon's scroll wheel is a lot less notable and doesn't jut out anywhere near as much. I imagine that the Karma 2 will probably have the same redesign. You think Rio replaces RMA units for shits and giggles? :)
It's also important to note that the Karma uses a Hitachi 20GB 1.8" HD, as opposed to the Toshibas that everyone else seems to love. Those were a new a form factor and model for Hitachi, and consequently they had growing pains. Rio thought they fixed all the firmware issues on their side a while ago, but if it's still happening there migth still be a problem within Hitachi's firmware. New units purchases recently don't seem to have anywhere near as many problems as the first ones did as far as the HD is concerned. While this isn't to say that Rio is blameless (their design choice selected Hitachi), it's not *completely* their fault.
Well considering that HL2 is expected to be at LEAST one DVD, it makes sense to start preloading now so as to avoid the traffic jam when the game IS inevitably released. One DVD puts it at around 4GB to start out with. If you were Valve, do you want the entire globe hammering your servers to download HL2 on the same day as retail, or do you want to tout the benefits of an Internet delivery system and let them preload the major components well ahead of time, so as to allow the game to unlock on the day of release for instant play?
Right now the stuff that's being preloaded is fairly unimportant and static stuff, eg sounds, artwork, etc. The engine itself is obviously being tweaked still (see CSSource beta) so it wouldn't make sense to have people preloading those first.
It should also be noted that the compressed size of the steam cache right now is 500MB or so, which means that there's a lot more to come in the future.
Right. Can you prove that there's spyware in RealPlayer? I'd very much like to see current stats on that.
I'm not talking about RealPlayer 8, or the 'Message Center' (which can be turned off), or any autoupdate features. I'm talking about honest-to-god spyware found in RealPlayer 10-10.5beta. You know, spyware that actually spies on what you browse and reports on it back to Real (the bundled Google bar doesn't count either, cause that's, well, Google).
Most people at least say "they did it before, not sure if I trust them just yet," but *you* made the claim that they're still doing it. Now I say prove it.